Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2009 FF I got slammed by a few who didn't read my post through about the fact that we should place all our history into a "museum" so that we can inherit, understand and learn from our past but focus on our future. Museums have Curators. The "Curator" should have the function of being the point of contact for any correspondence or support at funerals or special needs. While I fully understand and support the business logic that the current first team is more important when it comes to funds than our "museum" I still think that a "curator" or guardian of our history is important, for a year or two it needs simply someone to watch over it and ask or arrange for example just one or two of the younger players to attend a funeral to learn about the history they are becoming a part of. In some ways it should also be a council function, after all, the club and the City are synonymous, but our fans groups are a touch more worried about their committees than in results and liasons. Perhaps to get off the ground the curator needs to be a volunteer, simply keeping track of old records, paper work and documents, but as we grow and get further up the pyramid, this should be a critical function and financed part of the club. From the people we know, you are unfortunately one of a few that could take this on, but I think it is important that somebody gets in touch with the club and does something. After all one day it could be a major sponsorship opportunity once the recession ends. Thanks for the common sense post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2009 Given what seemingly nigh-perfect owners we have, I'd be surprised if, having understandably swept away the good, along with the bad and the ugly of the past, they cannot see the value in cultivating a positive attitude to the club's heritage, which is bigger than any owner. FF is right to raise this issue, as every self respecting club owner ought to show due deference to the deep history that makes their club what it is. If nothing else, it is good business sense. Perhaps the owners could signal this by showing some interest in supporting any move to support Kevin Moore as a start? Again you have spoken wise words and I thank you. I really don't expect the new owners to do too much now, they have bigger battles to win. But when we have a quiet moment I think this is an issue we need to sort out. Hey ho - off to the Orient in the morn - must get my jabs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 30 October, 2009 Share Posted 30 October, 2009 if anyone read the bbc article Markus was certainly investigating into our past, give him a chance, i'm grateful for him saving us. Perhaps as fans we need to stop searching for small isues to exploit and focus on the this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 30 October, 2009 Share Posted 30 October, 2009 FF as said maybe a sincerely written letter by yourself expressing your thought's & ours to NC would do a lot a of good on this subject. I don't think for 1 minute that the current custodians of the club would have missed this if they new about it. However as with everything at the football club they are re-building from the ground up. And whilst not right this aspect is probably not at the for front of their thinking right now. But I would expect that once NC/ML hear about this that they would certainly act upon it in the future, they strike me as being of the character that they would respect our history, & do all they can to foster that in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 I appreciate the sentiment but don't believe the club need to send a representative to every ex-players funeral and if we do there is a danger the role may get milked as alleged by Once Bitterne. My recommendation would be for Duncan to write an obiturary for inclusion in the next match day programme outlining the deceased's playing career at Saints and what they did after they left the club . Like many I am too young to remember Burnside and any other players of his era and before and to appreciate their contribution. The obiturary could serve as a nice marker of the player's passing and an opportunity to educate the younger fan base of some the clubs exploits pre 1976 or later, god forbid a more unexpected death occurs. Need to appreciate that some of our younger fans may have little knowledge of the club before the creation of the Premier league and as the fan base will always get younger this is a problem that will never go away. I hope whatever is decided it is done with a degree of reverence and dignity and we never repeat the toe-curling embarrassment of the farewell we provided Alan Ball. Banshee like screaming on microphones to 'rally the crowd' has no place at a memorial no matter how upbeat you want to make it. The crowd left alone can show their own appreciation as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 31 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2009 (edited) I appreciate the sentiment but don't believe the club need to send a representative to every ex-players funeral and if we do there is a danger the role may get milked as alleged by Once Bitterne. My recommendation would be for Duncan to write an obiturary for inclusion in the next match day programme outlining the deceased's playing career at Saints and what they did after they left the club . Like many I am too young to remember Burnside and any other players of his era and before and to appreciate their contribution. The obiturary could serve as a nice marker of the player's passing and an opportunity to educate the younger fan base of some the clubs exploits pre 1976 or later, god forbid a more unexpected death occurs. Need to appreciate that some of our younger fans may have little knowledge of the club before the creation of the Premier league and as the fan base will always get younger this is a problem that will never go away. I hope whatever is decided it is done with a degree of reverence and dignity and we never repeat the toe-curling embarrassment of the farewell we provided Alan Ball. Banshee like screaming on microphones to 'rally the crowd' has no place at a memorial no matter how upbeat you want to make it. The crowd left alone can show their own appreciation as they see fit. David Bull wrote an obit in the MK Dons programme and indeed went to the funeral. No I certainly don't expect the club to send someone to every funeral - but maybe flowers or even a card. The families are usually very proud of their relatives connection with the club so while many fans would not have heard of the player you can bet your bottom dollar the family will cherish the fact their Dad, husband whatever was a Saint. Edited 31 October, 2009 by Fitzhugh Fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 if anyone read the bbc article Markus was certainly investigating into our past, give him a chance, i'm grateful for him saving us. Perhaps as fans we need to stop searching for small isues to exploit and focus on the this season. Think this is not an exploitative issue, more the identification of something that would be a valuable "any other business" issue at the bottom of any Board Meeting. Obviously, the critical function is "The First Team", we had far too long forgetting that we are a football club first and foremost. The businessman who knows everything all the time is Rupert Lowe. Mere humans listen to sensible suggestions and ideas and see how they can be put into effect. Nobody expects the club to divert funds or resources right now otherwise we'd end up like Poopey with 630 employees! NC has been in the job of running a football club for mere months, he and others may not even have thought of it, but somebody with a eye to history can note things that are important and send a note to the secretary to send a card and flowers. It is an easy way to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 I think you're rather spot on, Phil. This would be a feasible way forward that hopefully wouldn't offend anyone and at the same time provide a foundation/centre point for looking after our heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 Only if you try looking for something that's not there.... Just because you state that you are not having a dig does not not mean you aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 Hi Gays! Gay Saints had their first meeting last week and the club did not send a representitive to that either. I think this shows a callous disregard by the club to an organisation whose only aims are to promote the long history of gay Saints in the community, and to push certain gay rights agenda, like shorter shorts and bringing back Andy Surman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 David Bull wrote an obit in the MK Dons programme and indeed went to the funeral. No I certainly don't expect the club to send someone to every funeral - but maybe flowers or even a card. The families are usually very proud of their relatives connection with the club so while many fans would not have heard of the player you can bet your bottom dollar the family will cherish the fact their Dad, husband whatever was a Saint. Then it seems we need to do no more and I'm not sure what the issue is other than to formalise the process you mention above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 31 October, 2009 Share Posted 31 October, 2009 Hi Gays! Gay Saints had their first meeting last week and the club did not send a representitive to that either. I think this shows a callous disregard by the club to an organisation whose only aims are to promote the long history of gay Saints in the community, and to push certain gay rights agenda, like shorter shorts and bringing back Andy Surman Much LOLness! No doubt one of your points is the complaint that there is not enough 'foul play' on the pitch like pushing from behind, although you probably dread some form of obstruction. BTW, my wife would like to see the return of the infamous Gary Lineker short but not the Peter Beardsley - leave that to people who love their pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 1 November, 2009 Share Posted 1 November, 2009 I think it's a tad harsh making disparaging comments about our new owners regarding such matters. I'm 40 in June & had never heard of David Burnside, so I don't expect 2 swiss blokes to have done either Thats not the point. The club should be aware of its history and its players. Burnside was a really top class player and his goal in our 3 3 comeback against Nottm Forest in 1963 was an important moment in the history of our club as we went on to the Semi Final of the FA Cup for the first time in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 November, 2009 Share Posted 1 November, 2009 Hi Gays! Gay Saints had their first meeting last week and the club did not send a representitive to that either. I think this shows a callous disregard by the club to an organisation whose only aims are to promote the long history of gay Saints in the community, and to push certain gay rights agenda, like shorter shorts and bringing back Andy Surman LOL gay saints..? what ever next..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Hi Gays! Gay Saints had their first meeting last week and the club did not send a representitive to that either. I think this shows a callous disregard by the club to an organisation whose only aims are to promote the long history of gay Saints in the community, and to push certain gay rights agenda, like shorter shorts and bringing back Andy Surman Out of interest are you still running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Is there a reason why you're resurrecting all these very old threads?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Is there a reason why you're resurrecting all these very old threads?!? They are funny...much better than the current set. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 Saint Charlie needs putting down by the mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 November, 2012 Share Posted 19 November, 2012 I knew broadband was slow in Ukraine but Jesus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Hey guys, we all experimented a bit when we were younger. 2009 was a crazy time! Don't judge me yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Interesting revisiting this. I don't think the club are sending anyone to Eric Day's funeral tomorrow. David Bull usually goes of his own accord and expense and is going (he went all the way to Lancs recently for Eddie Brown's). I don't think it is too much to ask for the club to at least send a card or some flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Interesting revisiting this. I don't think the club are sending anyone to Eric Day's funeral tomorrow. David Bull usually goes of his own accord and expense and is going (he went all the way to Lancs recently for Eddie Brown's). I don't think it is too much to ask for the club to at least send a card or some flowers. Have the family made any stipulations? Have the club made any contact whatsoever? I am sure they have... Maybe the club will be represented ? Sad /poor show if not.. You probably know more than most. Look forward to a positive update in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 They are funny...much better than the current set. Enjoy. I enjoy seeing some of the historical freds...cheers;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Interesting revisiting this. I don't think the club are sending anyone to Eric Day's funeral tomorrow. David Bull usually goes of his own accord and expense and is going (he went all the way to Lancs recently for Eddie Brown's). I don't think it is too much to ask for the club to at least send a card or some flowers. They ran an article (written by David Bull) on the OS. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/eric-day-an-appreciation-485587.aspx?pageView=full#anchored It lists the funeral time and date; so one would hope/assume the club will do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 We should never forget our history and the players/people behind the scenes that helped shape our club, I may be alone in this but modern football has no soul and to prove it I give you St Marys stadium or any other exactly the same plastic/sheet metal dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Interesting revisiting this. I don't think the club are sending anyone to Eric Day's funeral tomorrow. David Bull usually goes of his own accord and expense and is going (he went all the way to Lancs recently for Eddie Brown's). I don't think it is too much to ask for the club to at least send a card or some flowers. This thread being ressurected gave Duncan an missable cross from which to side foot home a dig at the club from a yard out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 This thread being ressurected gave Duncan an missable cross from which to side foot home a dig at the club from a yard out. But Duncan is right to have a go in my opinion. The word CLUB is the clue, we should respect our players from the past, all of them, not just one or two superstars, they have all played a part in where we are today. The only thing I am not sure of is whether the Club are or are not respecting the past. The fact that there is an article on the OS about Eric Day suggests that to some extent there is respect. We also should not forget last season, when we respected our past by playing in the original kit for a season (far better than this season's monstrosity) and also the program articles last season were very interesting to some of us (and there are some good historical bits in the programs this season as well). Unfortunately I guess some of this is tied in to the MLT spat, which is a shame as it detracts somewhat from the other historical respect that clearly does exist. So I support Duncan's posts here, but we should appreciate that it is not as black and white as some might think. By the way, still think we definitely do owe it to everyone to get Big Ron over for a match before too long. the Club did honour several of our other superstars, but there remains one serious omission in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 20 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 November, 2012 But Duncan is right to have a go in my opinion. The word CLUB is the clue, we should respect our players from the past, all of them, not just one or two superstars, they have all played a part in where we are today. The only thing I am not sure of is whether the Club are or are not respecting the past. The fact that there is an article on the OS about Eric Day suggests that to some extent there is respect. We also should not forget last season, when we respected our past by playing in the original kit for a season (far better than this season's monstrosity) and also the program articles last season were very interesting to some of us (and there are some good historical bits in the programs this season as well). Unfortunately I guess some of this is tied in to the MLT spat, which is a shame as it detracts somewhat from the other historical respect that clearly does exist. So I support Duncan's posts here, but we should appreciate that it is not as black and white as some might think. By the way, still think we definitely do owe it to everyone to get Big Ron over for a match before too long. the Club did honour several of our other superstars, but there remains one serious omission in my view. Trouble is Vectis I don't think Ron can face coming over now - he is very set in his lifestyle such as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Well, as long as he knows we'd love to see him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 November, 2012 Share Posted 20 November, 2012 Trouble is Vectis I don't think Ron can face coming over now - he is very set in his lifestyle such as it is. Then we should take Saints to him. 39th game would be good idea :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horton Heath Saint Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 You have Southampton Football Club at heart. Keep with it! From your contact at Culverlands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horton Heath Saint Posted 21 November, 2012 Share Posted 21 November, 2012 Cliff Huxford lives in Brook Road, Fair Oak. Bought his house brand new in the sixties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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