Genk Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 What gestures did Beattie do to the fans in 2004?? Can't remember this
StDunko Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Great stuff, brought back some very good memories!
VectisSaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Tommy Jenkins FFS. He was another cameo player of little substance. Leaving out George O'Brien, unbelievable, he was in a different class to Derek Reeves. Reeves missed so many goals whilst George was a deadly finisher. Reeves scored freely in the third division but that his level. Ted Drake? Eric Day? Agree about Tommy Jenkins, one of the most frustrating players ever, couldn't believe he was the first name I read. I thought then I would not like the list but actually cannot fault it much, and deffo agree with the top 5. As always with these things the list is biased to the modern era, I think CB Fry is a major omission although I did not see him play I would also agree about George O'Brien. Personally despite his Pompey and Spuds connections I would have to include Joe Jordan as well. I would also have thought Theo would have got an honorary mention, but I guess he left too soon.
Fowllyd Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 If we're proofing the article then I believe it was Souness who came out with the 'Struggling Southampton' line, not Strachan. Actually, it was Dave Jones.
St Landrew Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 we've got tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy jenkins on the wing, on the wing Tommy, Tommy jenkins, tommy jenkins on the wing Tommy, Tommy jenkins, tommy jenkins on the wing we've got tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy jenkins on the wing, on the wing... Was talking in another thread about Tom Jenkins, and how frustrating he often used to be. Such skill, yet he often would try to beat just one more player. The Times snippet brought it all back. Have to admit, when he was on song, he was a joy to watch. Another forgotten Saint, by today's crowd.
red&white56 Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Great list - personally i was please to see Steve Williams up towards the top of the list. I loved watching him at the Dell, he used to humiliate players from the other team with his skills - just what young fans (at the time) like me wanted to see.........
beatlesaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Great list - personally i was please to see Steve Williams up towards the top of the list. I loved watching him at the Dell, he used to humiliate players from the other team with his skills - just what young fans (at the time) like me wanted to see......... Steve Williams was quite simply one of the best midfield players ever to pull on a Southampton shirt.
cambsaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 I have no argument with the make-up, but I found the order very bizarre.
david in sweden Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Quote, 'It was always going to be between Le Tiss and Mick, but as much as Le Tiss was the epitome of Saints in the 1990s, so Channon was the backbone of the club in the 1970s. It's a generational thing. Those aged in their 30s would vote Le Tiss: those in their 50s for Channon'. And I would write, those in their 60s might have said No 1 was Terry. Yes we would Norm, but I am also surprised that there was no place for George O' Brien.
sadoldgit Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Actually, it was Dave Jones. Yes you are right, it was Dave Jones. We have been lucky to have so many talented players in the ranks, none for a few years now though sadly!!! Still, happy days.....
Dark Munster Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Franny Benali Yes, in there at number 33, I think. Nice chap, but I would put him a bit lower. At about number 10,000, or thereabouts.
St Landrew Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Couldn't find a decent argument to disagree with most of that table. Michael Svensson, I would have included, but I can see why the author didn't. But Micky over Matty..? Nope, can't do it. Micky was MY ERA, and I can tell you he wasn't as good as Matty. Micky was very, very special, in the same way as Terry Paine and Ron Davies. But he wasn't a genius. That's Matty's plateau. Room for one only. Thoroughly entertaining read though. I was supposed to be arranging some new furniture this evening, and that has completely gone by the board.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 What gestures did Beattie do to the fans in 2004?? Can't remember this Can't find it right now but there's a great picture of him stood in front of the skates at St Marys cupping his ear to them as he's just scored. I'd guess that's the one.
macca155 Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 What a great article. Well done to whoever put that lot together Williams was my number one hero. I think you have to see a player's debut to be completely emotionally tied. I missed Le Tissiers and was too young for Channon's (just). I saw Steve's debut at Fratton park whilst standing in the Fratton End with my Pompey supporting mates. Needless to say he scored an excellent goal which sent them down to the third division... er places you don't want to be when that happens. Whilst moran deserves his place and maybe a lower number O'Brien should be there as well as he was a very similar player. I wonder if any of our players now (other than Davis) will make a similar list in a few years. If they take us up and stay this could be the beginning of a new generation. Lallana/Lambert/Connolly have the potential to be true heros but not in this league. Worst 50 will follow and Frank Saul will be top of my list, to think we got him in exchange for Chivers and a bit of dosh....... Shame david Webb didn't stay as he was a great player. Alan
St Landrew Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Can't find it right now but there's a great picture of him stood in front of the skates at St Marys cupping his ear to them as he's just scored. I'd guess that's the one. No that's a gesture to Pompey fans. If anything, that would have even more greatly endeared Beatts to Saints fans. The article talks about a game against Charlton. Personally, I think that Beatts reputation among Saints fans has been lessend by a few individuals who probably had a few encounters with the bloke and didn't find him as welcoming as they thought he should be. A relative of mine spoke to him once in a Chandler's Ford supermarket. She didn't know who he was, until told later, but found him very obliging and polite. Not the Beatts that gets whinged about here on occasion. The bloke was in the Southampton public eye for most of his time here. He did his job very well, and scored a fair few goals. I tend to cut him some slack, and give my respect, even if he doesn't have it from others.
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Where the heck was Bobby Stokes? Made 216 appearances, scoring 40 goals - including the most famous Saints goal ever! agreed .... could n't belive it! disgrace
St Landrew Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 agreed .... could n't belive it! disgrace Because most of the time he was a bit player. Truth will out. Great FA Cup goal, but let's leave it at that.
John Cool Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Splendid article - well done! Like others I would place Matty as No. 1 but I may be a little biased as I watched and hero-worshipped him week-in-week-out at The Dell during my formative years :-)
benjii Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 James Beattie is a good bloke and a great Saint. The most important player by a country mile in our best team since 1989/90 (ie the last 20 years).
Danish Saint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 James Beattie is a good bloke and a great Saint. The most important player by a country mile in our best team since 1989/90 (ie the last 20 years). Still believe Le Tissier tops that list!
St.Jeweller Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Terry Hurlock & Razor certainly won the dell fans over on their day. Perhaps they were too hard for their own good.
scott_saints Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Bobby Stokes could have been as s**t as Pulis for all I care, but I'd still put him in the list.
Trumush Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 What a great article. Well done to whoever put that lot together Williams was my number one hero. I think you have to see a player's debut to be completely emotionally tied. I missed Le Tissiers and was too young for Channon's (just). I saw Steve's debut at Fratton park whilst standing in the Fratton End with my Pompey supporting mates. Needless to say he scored an excellent goal which sent them down to the third division... er places you don't want to be when that happens. Whilst moran deserves his place and maybe a lower number O'Brien should be there as well as he was a very similar player. I wonder if any of our players now (other than Davis) will make a similar list in a few years. If they take us up and stay this could be the beginning of a new generation. Lallana/Lambert/Connolly have the potential to be true heros but not in this league. Worst 50 will follow and Frank Saul will be top of my list, to think we got him in exchange for Chivers and a bit of dosh....... Shame david Webb didn't stay as he was a great player. Alan You did'nt miss Mick Channon because he scored the goal at Fratton to relegate Pompey in 1976.Steve Williams made his dedut in that game. I was there as well.Did get a bit hairy when that goal went in!!!!
Trumush Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Sorry Macca155 I misread your post. You were talking about missing Mick Channons debut. It was definitely him though that scored the goal at Fratton to relegate the Skates,I didnt need glasses in those days !!!!!
saintds Posted 29 October, 2009 Author Posted 29 October, 2009 I wonder how far Ronnie Eckelund would be up the list but for his injury problems?
Justbelieve Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Would have put Le Tiss at the top but apart from that it's a good list
sussexsaint Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Blimey, got quite misty eyed and sentimental reading that lot, thanks for the link mate
Danbert Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Don't get me wrong, I loved him during the mid-90s, but... Ken Monkou at No.21?!?! Really? Quite - a great player but higher than Ted Bates? I think not.
krissyboy31 Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Quite - a great player but higher than Ted Bates? I think not. You have to remember that Bates appearances as a player were all in the second and third tiers of English football. Our memories are clouded by his achievements long after he hung up his boots.
macca155 Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Ha ha apologies but it was 33 years ago and trust me when you are standing in the Fratton end trying to supress a smile Ghandi could have come on and scored and I wouldn't have noticed. Very hairy day indeed but nevertheless enjoyable. Macca
Saint_Jonny Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 I never saw 95% of those players play. This makes me very, very sad.
Trumush Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Ha ha apologies but it was 33 years ago and trust me when you are standing in the Fratton end trying to supress a smile Ghandi could have come on and scored and I wouldn't have noticed. Very hairy day indeed but nevertheless enjoyable. Macca No apology required macca,I was in the Milton end with the rest of the Saints fans and before that ball had hit the back of the net the Fratton end emptied and they were on their way round.Outside the ground they were kicking the front walls of houses down to arm themselves with bricks. As you quite rightly say;still an enjoyable night. I too rated Steve Williams very highly. Never the same player at Arsenal.
Chez Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Tommy Jenkins FFS. He was another cameo player of little substance. Leaving out George O'Brien, unbelievable, he was in a different class to Derek Reeves. Reeves missed so many goals whilst George was a deadly finisher. Reeves scored freely in the third division but that his level. Ted Drake? Eric Day? Don't tell me Jenkins came inside too much for you? Benali gets in. One of the worst Saints players I have seen whilst we were in the top flight so perhaps Jenkins deserves a little leeway.
Chez Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Was talking in another thread about Tom Jenkins, and how frustrating he often used to be. Such skill, yet he often would try to beat just one more player. The Times snippet brought it all back. Have to admit, when he was on song, he was a joy to watch. Another forgotten Saint, by today's crowd. I used to sit for a bunch of `older' guys at the back of the chapel for a while and they always used to sing that song at lest once a game. Everyone just stared.
SW11_Saint Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Great article with some great memories, but I think Matty just has to be #1 (and I absolutely idolised Mick Channon) due, among other things, to the fact that he stayed his whole career.
ottery st mary Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Looking through the list and the phots...adding a few others we all think should be on there..... Just goes to show why we can be so proud to support such a great team.....Over the next few years a few more names will be added....COYRs Believe me I am Soooooo proud........She calls out again, 'Its only a blooody game..you anorak'.....CAN I PART EXCHANGE.. her for one of the old bench seats from The Dell? COYRs
SW11_Saint Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 (edited) Wonder what a similar list for P*mpey would look like? In a 50 a-side game, we'd murder them!! Edited 29 October, 2009 by SW11_Saint
fareham saint phil Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Eyes are blue 6ft 2 big Jim Steele is after youuuuuuuuuuu, now that brings back memories, what a lovely read lots of old and not so old players mixed in there, sure everyone has there favorites that have been left out or not as high as you would have liked. Funny i wouldn't have had KK in there as he was only here for 2 seasons and i think it was Mikey C and Stevie Moran that were more important then. As for Beattie, yes he had an attitude but alot of the greats do, whenever we met him he was very polite and happy to chat to young fans sign everything in sight etc etc, plus when he was playing for everton he told me how much Saints mean to him and he was devastated we went down. Does alot of charity work down here still as does Antti Niemi Wheres CMFG these days anyone know
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Great article with some great memories, but I think Matty just has to be #1 (and I absolutely idolised Mick Channon) due, among other things, to the fact that he stayed his whole career. Not so (in my opinion) in fact I'd put Mark Wright above MLT. Channon gave more to SFC than Le Tissier,in the matter of goals, games and representing his country. Channon fulfilled his full potential, I doubt if MLT really did.He should have played more for his country and faded away less at the end of his career.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Wonder what a similar list for P*mpey would look like? In a 50 a-side game, we'd murder them!! Pompey have had some pretty good players all the same.
JackFrost Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Overall a very good list, but I disagree in a couple of areas. Marsden should be higher. In 02/03 there was a stage where he was getting a weekly MOTD analysis tribute. He was very consistent and one of the most professional players we have ever had. Don't agree with the Kelvin Davis summary. There was a time a few years ago when he was one of the poorest goalkeepers in the Championship and was making schoolboy errors on an almost weekly basis. You have to take your hat off to him though, he has completely turned his form around since then. It's especially credible considering all the abuse he got from his own fans.
JackFrost Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 and how did Michael Svensson not even make the list? One of our greatest ever defenders whose body sadly let him down.
St Paul Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 I thought Shilts should have been higher, and there should have been a place for Bobby Stokes purely for that goal. Other than that a great article.......
SnailOB Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 opinions, opinions..... you will never please everyone but the article was a great read and the author has put his case forward for why each player is in there. Bottom line is, what a great list of players. It does make me very nostalgic and if I was reading this 5 months of go i would have been suicidal thinking of how far the club had fallen. Lets hope some of the new breed can go on and bring us as much joy as all these players have.
bpsaint Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Don't agree with the Kelvin Davis summary. There was a time a few years ago when he was one of the poorest goalkeepers in the Championship and was making schoolboy errors on an almost weekly basis. You have to take your hat off to him though, he has completely turned his form around since then. It's especially credible considering all the abuse he got from his own fans. Thought the same myself, the article should have read "In his first season, he was crap. In his second, a bit better. And last season, he was outstanding." Don't think Beatts deserves to be just 1 place ahead of him. Still,good article none the less.
ottery st mary Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Pompey have had some pretty good players all the same. I am sure you Could do the Pompey list, Windows...preferably on a Pompey site:D I say this not because of any Pompey slur...but genuinely because I think you may have some overall knowledge of football;) But I suggest all their top list of 50 were trained by the mighty Saints:) COYRs
Bentley Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 Thought Michael Svensson deserved a mention somewhere, even if it was number 50!
Window Cleaner Posted 29 October, 2009 Posted 29 October, 2009 I am sure you Could do the Pompey list, Windows...preferably on a Pompey site:D I say this not because of any Pompey slur...but genuinely because I think you may have some overall knowledge of football;) But I suggest all their top list of 50 were trained by the mighty Saints:) COYRs Noxious content alert:smt080:smt080 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/portsmouth/article6059531.ece
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