Secret Site Agent Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Just a quicky. Drew Surman, hasn't done much since he left us, and we all believe that he was indeed sold to pay the bills. Do we want him back on loan in January, in theory, or has his boat now sailed so to speak. Remember Parliamentry rules apply and well thought out debate if you please.
saint_stevo Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Yep, he is injured, has played for the ressies recently though
ottery st mary Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Great young player....Loves the Saints and always gave 100%. Would have him back in a flash ..on loan or small fee. Surman would be an asset to the team/squad and would be a bonus for our push to the play offs and winning the final at Wembley to take us back to CCC. If Wolves are willing ..go for it. COYRs
Weston Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Drew has been on the bench for Wolves and bought on a couple of times during the game. He then suffered an injury for a few weeks. He is now fit played a couple of games for the reserves and hopes to be in the first team squad this weekend. At present we have a settled midfield so if Surman was to come back on loan who would we drop? If no one then why would he come back? Drew has moved on. He may have been pushed but I am sure he would rather try to fight for a starting place in the Wolves side than come back despite Saints being his first love.
Brussels Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Was going to post something similar. Realistically I doubt Jan would be a good option for either party. The summer might be a different case, especially if he continues on the bench, Wolves get relegated and we lose Morgan (fairly similar players)
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Careful what we say here - Drew posts on here under the username Deovanski (or is it J Bizzle) either way lets be careful with our words.
Northam Girls Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Would have him back like a shot. Saints through and through, don't think he ever wanted to go but finances dictated otherwise. When you look at what AP has done for likes of Lloyd, Morgan and Adam would love to see what he could do for Drew.
a1ex2001 Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Hes on the list of players I'd always welcome back into a saints shirt, always gave his all for the team. I don't think it will happen anytime soon as he has gone in a different direction to us and our midfield looks strong and settled. I think he'd be one that got a good reception from the crowd were he ever to return in a wolves shirt.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 how am i drew surman O.o... question for your parents I think?
Paul Chuckle Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Not sure i'd want him back. Who would people drop for him? Our midfield is best it has been for some years so why change it? Surman hardly lit the world alight after 2006/2007 season!
skintsaint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 nah dont need him at the moment, the club is flying, if we did sign someone I wouldnt want another loan.
saintbletch Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Drew has been on the bench for Wolves and bought on a couple of times during the game. He then suffered an injury for a few weeks. He is now fit played a couple of games for the reserves and hopes to be in the first team squad this weekend. At present we have a settled midfield so if Surman was to come back on loan who would we drop? If no one then why would he come back? Drew has moved on. He may have been pushed but I am sure he would rather try to fight for a starting place in the Wolves side than come back despite Saints being his first love. I'd be interested to see what Mick McCarthy thinks he has bought. A left-sided midfielder without much pace or a slightly lightweight central midfielder. Don't mean that to sound as derogatory as it perhaps sounds but I've always thought Drew fell between two stools. Do you know where MM has played Drew in the past?
Saint Lindford Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Question has been mentioned above... Who would we drop for him? For me he would only be on the bench at the moment at best. Good player when he was here but he has gone, lets move on with who we have.
Weston Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I'd be interested to see what Mick McCarthy thinks he has bought. A left-sided midfielder without much pace or a slightly lightweight central midfielder. Don't mean that to sound as derogatory as it perhaps sounds but I've always thought Drew fell between two stools. Do you know where MM has played Drew in the past?Central midfield in the first team and wide left in the reserves.
saintbletch Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Central midfield in the first team and wide left in the reserves. Thanks. Looks like me an Mick McCarthy are on the same page then. I'd have him back in a flash in League One and I'd like to think that he could be a better alternative/backup to Schneiderlin as long as Wotton was playing behind him.
Marino Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Surman's a class above anything we have got at the moment which is why a Premiership club signed him and his former team is in L 1. Would love to see him in a Saints shirt again though.
Crowds Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Would rather not, he was too light weight and not better than what we have now. Also heard his family were boasting about it being an important move to wolves and he wanted to go in a shot?!
nickfinks Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 i would have him back like a shot, no brainer really
Andy_Porter Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I would take him back, he would be great as the most advanced central midfielder in a our 4-5-1. I like Schneiderlin and Mellis in that role but Surman would be better, he's much more of a goal threat. Doubt he would consider coming back even if we got promoted, he's moved on to bigger and better things. He's just been unlucky so far with Wolves.
derry Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 If we are to move on, the players we bring in, apart from being good footballers should have pace. Surman lacks pace and in any event has moved on.
Andy_Porter Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I'd be interested to see what Mick McCarthy thinks he has bought. A left-sided midfielder without much pace or a slightly lightweight central midfielder. Don't mean that to sound as derogatory as it perhaps sounds but I've always thought Drew fell between two stools. Do you know where MM has played Drew in the past? I think his versatility cost him while he was with us. Played wide right, wide left, as an advanced central midfielder, as a more deep midfielder and as a left back. Personally I think he played his best football in the first season from the right under Burley. Then he seemed to float around playing all sorts of different positions and seemed to stagnate.
krissyboy31 Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 If we are to move on, the players we bring in, apart from being good footballers should have pace. Surman lacks pace and in any event has moved on. He's not the quickest but he's Usain Bolt compared to Lloyd James.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I think his versatility cost him while he was with us. Played wide right, wide left, as an advanced central midfielder, as a more deep midfielder and as a left back. Cost him? cost him a move to a premiership club (and probably doubled his wages at the same time)! his versatility is probably what attracted Wolves - if you have him on the bench he can come on at RB, LB, CM, LM or RM thats a decent asset on a premiership bench - Also great cover for 1st team.
Andy_Porter Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Cost him? cost him a move to a premiership club (and probably doubled his wages at the same time)! his versatility is probably what attracted Wolves - if you have him on the bench he can come on at RB, LB, CM, LM or RM thats a decent asset on a premiership bench - Also great cover for 1st team. Well obviously he's done well for himself, I wasn't knocking him at all. I just think if we had played him in the same position for the last 3 seasons he would have developed into a better player.
ottery st mary Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 If we are to move on, the players we bring in, apart from being good footballers should have pace. Surman lacks pace and in any event has moved on. Swap for Holmes....Surman is Bolt to Holmes Geoff Capes.
Clifford Nelson Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 We need players who can compete for a place with the starting eleven for a place, or better, since we are looking for players with at least top CCC ability. Drew was one of our better players last year, but I can't see who he is better than in the positions he could play. He should be aiming for getting himself a starting place with Wolves and fight for it rather than retreat to L1. He is firstly a professional footballer who play for money, not a Saints supporter. We are all moving on. He has, and so should we.
egreog Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 He has moved on......wish him well and just unfortunate that he was at SMS at a time of total disarray.........
Danish Saint Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I'd take Surman over Wotton any day of the week...
Greenridge Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 I'd take Surman over Wotton any day of the week... Different players so no real comparison. Can't see how Surman would get a game for us to be honest. I hope he manages to get a few games at Wolves and makes a go of it there.
jam Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Surman could play in the Lallana role if needed. He'd also be better coming off the bench than either Mills or Holmes when we're under the cosh or trying to defend a lead. It'd be nice to have an alternative if AL's form dips or he get's injured.
Docker Walker6 Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 No, to light weight, cant tackle!! Couldnt hold a candle to Dean Hammond!!
Minsk Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 There is no chance of Drew coming back here anytime soon. He was a regular in the Wolves 1st team squad until he picked up the injury he just coming back from. However, I would love to have him back in the role Scheiderlin now plays. I think he would suit it perfectly, and he (Drew) can at least score goals and set them up.
sambosa75 Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 He was at Staplewood during the international break. I was there watching the under 18's beat Chelsea 4-3 and Surman rocked up with his young daughter. Fair play to him.
captainchris Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 Drew has been on the bench for Wolves and bought on a couple of times during the game. He then suffered an injury for a few weeks. He is now fit played a couple of games for the reserves and hopes to be in the first team squad this weekend. At present we have a settled midfield so if Surman was to come back on loan who would we drop? If no one then why would he come back? Drew has moved on. He may have been pushed but I am sure he would rather try to fight for a starting place in the Wolves side than come back despite Saints being his first love. Didn't Drew say quite publicly that, the time had come for him to move on. He did elaborate on this at the time in an interview that was published. He basically said it was time for him to seek further challenges. Whilst the money was undoubtedly needed I am sure his career did indeed need to take the next step and achieving this with Saints looked a million miles away at the time. Also dare I say that as someone else mentioned who would we drop to bring Drew back in? This beggers the further question (puts on his helmet!) If he's struggling to get in the Wolves team and we can't decide if he would get our team now - how good was he? He looked good for us last year but we were very poor both as a team and in most cases, evidently individually!
saintwarwick Posted 27 October, 2009 Posted 27 October, 2009 As others have said who would we drop if he came back? Someone suggested he'd have Surman over Wotton but they both play different positions and a different game. We are on a winning streak and hope it continues, if it ain't broke don't fix it, ask KK some years ago at Newcastle he tampered when it wasn't broke.
positivepete Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 No, to light weight, cant tackle!! Couldnt hold a candle to Dean Hammond!! Dean Hammond is not fit to lace his boots. Good league 1 player but will go no higher, good performances at this level are no guide to ability to perform at a higher level, you have to look at awareness and movement. Drew is light years ahead.
dubai_phil Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Dean Hammond is not fit to lace his boots. Good league 1 player but will go no higher, good performances at this level are no guide to ability to perform at a higher level, you have to look at awareness and movement. Drew is light years ahead. Totally agree. But I also think that in L1 Drew could struggle. Our team this year has been "beefed up" considerably. His pace isn't so critical in a League (like PL) where speed of thought and touch are more important (think of CMFG), I think Drew has that but when he has players around him who don't think as fast as he does it becomes frustrating for him and all of us. Many years ago my Uncle watched Charlie George play his debut for us, said he looked complete class but also a fool as he was thinking about 2 moves ahead of the rest of the team Some players drop a division and look good, others - well look at us in the CCC with all our PL quality players...
david in sweden Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 I would take him back, he would be great as the most advanced central midfielder in a our 4-5-1. I like Schneiderlin and Mellis in that role but Surman would be better, he's much more of a goal threat. Doubt he would consider coming back even if we got promoted, he's moved on to bigger and better things. He's just been unlucky so far with Wolves. I agree 100%. If McCarthy isn't happy with AS by January, he might consider a loan-back till May. If we are serious about getting out of L1, we need enough depth in the squad to play 96 minutes a game until the end of the season. Why not ?, he was consistant enough to warrant a transfer to a Prem.side no-one can think he's not good enough for L1.
westmidlandsaint Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 I had the pleasure of being taken by a friend of mine whose company are a main sponsor of Wolves to the Wolves v Villa game on saturday. Due to being a big corporate client we were met by David Jones (wolves player) who confirmed that Drew is still out injured. During the game Drew was sat around 7/8 rows infront of us with a few of the other injured wolves players. I tried to get a word with him but unfortunately due to the greedy/thirsty bastards trying to get back up to the corporate suites was unable to get to him before he disappeared to the players lounge. I dont think Wolves have paid the money they did to have him go back out on loan after his injury Mick McCarthy will give him a chance even if its on the bench using him as a utility player.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 I'd be interested to see what Mick McCarthy thinks he has bought. A left-sided midfielder without much pace or a slightly lightweight central midfielder. Don't mean that to sound as derogatory as it perhaps sounds but I've always thought Drew fell between two stools. Do you know where MM has played Drew in the past? Yes he did fall over quite a lot - but between two stools? That's not a nice way to talk about our previous midfielders.
fish fingers Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 He wouldn't get in our team so no need for him to come back.
Crab Lungs Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Surman is one of those players (like Prutton) that compliments teams if the players around him are half decent, or slips to their levels if they're not. That said, he'd be ok with us because he'd be thrust into a winning team, right? ;-)
Andyb1 Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 Dean Hammond is not fit to lace his boots. Good league 1 player but will go no higher, good performances at this level are no guide to ability to perform at a higher level, you have to look at awareness and movement. Drew is light years ahead. Harsh, Drew was as much to blame for what happened last season as any other player. He was poor and as far as I'm concerned hasn't anything to justify your claim that he has the ability to perform at a "higher Level". Ps, they are TOTALLY different players so what's the point comparing?
Minsk Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 To all those saying Drew wouldn't get into our team atm: Why is he now at a prem club whilst Schneiderlin is still with us? How many goals and assists did Drew get last year (not to mention other years with us) and how many has Scheiderlin managed in all his time here? It's totally irrelevant anyway as he won't be coming back for at least a few years, but I think some people are just anti ex-Saints players or simply have no clue about football(ers).
stkev7 Posted 28 October, 2009 Posted 28 October, 2009 We have both moved on... end of! Good luck to the lad in his career at Wolves.
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