INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Personally I think Crouch is the one protagonist who fully deserves a free ticket... I am sure many agree, however, what I find myself asking is why do the new owners not share those thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I have no doubt that Crouch wanted to help, but the questions that remains for some is that in his position, could he have looked at the overview of all groups and maybe identified that The Swiss bid was better and thus encouraged it? Surely it would have been obvious that teh Swiss bid had more credibilty than Pinnacle? Or would he not have been aware of teh Swiss bid and its backers? I am not sure. BUt it fuels the suspicion that he went with Pinnacle because of the position he would hold if they took the club over, even if thats bull, its easy to speculate that given the vast difference we have seen between teh two bids... NO I have NO PROBLEM with Crouch wanting to be involved at board level after a takeover - afterall he lost nearly 2mil when his shares went to zero, and he helped the club with cash on numerous occasions to keep us afloat, but we should not fall into the trap that because of this, he is some kind of untouchable legend surely...[/QUOTE] The fact Crouch consistently backed the wrong horse making some poor decisions financially not to mention his media gaffes is reason enough for him never to have been allowed a board position, all IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I am sure many agree, however, what I find myself asking is why do the new owners not share those thoughts ? Perhaps like me they are of the opinion that it is easy to throw money at a problem quite another entirely to actually solve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Crouch, for all of his many faults, did keep the club alive and for that he should always have our thanks. Any Saints fan who is to churlish not to see that is clearly mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 All the previous directors who fought among themselves so disastrously have had their chance and messed up, the new owner is very wise to treat them all equally 'welcome, but pay'. It would perpetuate the old fueds if he favoured one or two of them. Besides, if they love the Club like we do they can pay like we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 All the previous directors who fought among themselves so disastrously have had their chance and messed up, the new owner is very wise to treat them all equally 'welcome, but pay'. It would perpetuate the old fueds if he favoured one or two of them. Besides, if they love the Club like we do they can pay like we do. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Perhaps like me they are of the opinion that it is easy to throw money at a problem quite another entirely to actually solve it. And Leibherr isn't doing that? lol What makes me laugh is the people who always slagged off Crouch for his brief tenure as chairman for spending money we didn't have. "You have to run it like a business, within your means..." It's ironic that Leibherr has done just that, chucked some money at it, tried to get a competitive football club and it's working. Get good players in and people will go. It's as simple as that. Does anyone think we'd have bought the likes of Rickie Lambert under Lowe? The truth is that Lambert will probably pay for himself in terms of bums on seats and goals scored. The problem we had was the diminishing returns we had under Lowe, every time we sold a player we'd get someone just not quite as good and as a result no one was surprised when we got relegated (twice) Crouch got us a good manager, tried to bring in some established old pros to counter balance the youngsters. That was all but wiped out the next season and no one was surprised when we failed spectacularly... Perhaps Dellman is right with the new broom, fresh start attitude, but let's not forget that Crouch's actions enabled this club to limp on long enough to get that fresh start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Crouch, for all of his many faults, did keep the club alive and for that he should always have our thanks. Any Saints fan who is to churlish not to see that is clearly mentally ill. He also had the opportunity to prevent administration but as I understand it the conditions were so ridiculous he decided to see the club crash and burn IMO before using the opportunity for a bit of 'aren't I wonderful for saving the club' publicity. Trouble is he used the wrong crane to drop his payload and the rest as they say is history. Fans who cannot see that Crouch IMO used the situation before and after administration to gain popularity as if it was some sleazy mayoral election race are clearly naive and likely to have to resort to thinly veiled insults in a pathetic attempt to win an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 And Leibherr isn't doing that? lol What makes me laugh is the people who always slagged off Crouch for his brief tenure as chairman for spending money we didn't have. "You have to run it like a business, within your means..." It's ironic that Leibherr has done just that, chucked some money at it, tried to get a competitive football club and it's working. Get good players in and people will go. It's as simple as that. Does anyone think we'd have bought the likes of Rickie Lambert under Lowe? The truth is that Lambert will probably pay for himself in terms of bums on seats and goals scored. The problem we had was the diminishing returns we had under Lowe, every time we sold a player we'd get someone just not quite as good and as a result no one was surprised when we got relegated (twice) Crouch got us a good manager, tried to bring in some established old pros to counter balance the youngsters. That was all but wiped out the next season and no one was surprised when we failed spectacularly... Perhaps Dellman is right with the new broom, fresh start attitude, but let's not forget that Crouch's actions enabled this club to limp on long enough to get that fresh start ML isn't simply throwing money at it though is he or attempting to put himself up as 'Football Club Chairman'. It is intelligent money minus the ego and all things being relative if ML followed the Crouch way we would already know how many millions he has invested and we would have a squad bordering on the cost of a small Premier League outfit. Crouch also famously told us in January 2008 there were no financial problems at the club and we would not need to get rid of players. Also why did Crouch recoil from the question that his cash may have been put to better use before administration. My memory isn't what it was but I'm sure he made an offer of cash to Lowe before administration so it was hardly news he had it to give after administration when it's effectiveness was critical yes but equally avoidable given his previous conditional offer. Genuinely, good to have you back posting btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatchamsaint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Just in case people were interested Lawrie Mac was down at Dean Court on Saturday as a guest of Grimsby town, I spoke to a Bournemouth supporter who was talking to him outside the ground on Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 If Crouch did prevent a worse outcome for the club then I am grateful. However all the rumours that he did, need to be balanced with thoughts that who knows what would have happened at the last minute? and also where would we be if Markus was not delayed by the Crouch supported Pinnacle bid? I have no ill feeling to Crouch but feel the club has moved on. I genuinely hope he is still attending and enjoying the performances. I can't imagine that he is not going all the time - after all he often spoke about the saving the club being the main thing, so why wouldn't he go just because he isn't in power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Perhaps like me they are of the opinion that it is easy to throw money at a problem quite another entirely to actually solve it. But is it easy to throw money at a problem? First you have to actually have the money to throw at it, something that we as a club have not had in any serious amounts, so it has hardly been an option for us until recently. And often, money is the answer to solving the problems. Money enables us to afford a decent manager and decent players, to turn down offers for players we do not want to sell, to set ticket prices at an attractive level, etc. The difference with us is that before it was a case of spending wisely the money that we didn't have as against now where the club are spending wisely the money we do have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Just in case people were interested Lawrie Mac was down at Dean Court on Saturday as a guest of Grimsby town, I spoke to a Bournemouth supporter who was talking to him outside the ground on Saturday night. Guest or managerial candidate? They're welcome to him tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 (edited) Oh dear Ottery, still off on another planet I see. More proof, it it were needed, that care in the community does not work! As for the other Lowe girlies ...You are an idiot and I will not lower myself.....Pratt. sadoldgit I have taken my points and apologised to granty...Apologies to you and the group John B, jonah and nineteen canteen for calling you idiots and girlies.....YOU KNOW IT WAS TONGUE IN CHEEK..... Sorry to all my fellow posters for my frustration in calling some of the Lowey majorettes RA RA girls baton twirlers etc.... I will obviously be off the board from now on but enjoyed it while it lasted. Thank you to the mods amin staff etc I did have fun. ottery st mary luvs you all really even you sadold git. bye Edited 26 October, 2009 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 It always amuses me how people in here can post something putting down one of the main protagonists of the last few years and then end it with "but let's look to the future shall we?" The reason we have a future is the fact that the like of Leon Crouch gave money to keep the club afloat. God forbid we ever say thank you for it... Noted the edit Darren.. Now, there was a list of the names of the people who put money in to help save the club, there is also a list of volunteers who worked extremenly hard to do what they could with their resources and abilities to save the club. The club was saved, EVERYONE of them deserve credit. Who's VALUE is the greater? The kid who puts ALL his pocket money in? or the Businessman who can write it off against tax as "PR expenses, charitable donations. Every ONE who helped or gave WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD is surely equal. Now my two issues are nothing to do with this. They are simply 1) It is extremely risky, but legally possible to "lend" money to a business in administration. This is a subtle difference to the view held on here of a"DONATION" If the business exits administration then there is often a quid pro quo for the lender who gets their money back. I am of the opinion that this MAY have happened. Nothing to do with personalities or motivations, simply analysis. I have asked for anyone with a coherent argument to the contrary 2) Leon joined forces with Pinnacle, Pinnacle delayed and nearly lost us ML. Pinnacle who clearly had no money miraculously appeared to "pay" a non-refundable deposit of 500k as Leon joined the team. How on EARTH can we fans not at least QUESTION whether his joining Pinnacle delayed or risked ML taking over? Now, Leon the PR expert saved the day, and built the statue hooray he is a hero, totally unarguably . Leon the Politician/Businessman backed Mike Wilde, backed Pinnalce and, based on the knowledge from contacts in insolvency law, will not have lost the money used to save the club. Has anyone not thought maybe he chooses to stay away because he expected ML to give him a hug, Directorship and a freebie seat? It is an equally POSSIBLE scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 But is it easy to throw money at a problem? First you have to actually have the money to throw at it, something that we as a club have not had in any serious amounts, so it has hardly been an option for us until recently. And often, money is the answer to solving the problems. Money enables us to afford a decent manager and decent players, to turn down offers for players we do not want to sell, to set ticket prices at an attractive level, etc. The difference with us is that before it was a case of spending wisely the money that we didn't have as against now where the club are spending wisely the money we do have. Wes naturally you have to have the money in the first place but do you think seriously that Pinnacle and presumably Crouch would have delivered a patient and even handed approach as ML and his team have and as you sugggest across all aspects of the club? MLT was even quoted as saying they were not considering managers without a Saints background ffs. Our greatest asset today is that we are a debt free club not one with a big slush fund and that said funds are most definitley finite and so Cortese has to spend it wisely which is what he is doing of course. Money, ego and poor decisions can be left to the Mike Ashley's of this world. Our board vs a board made up of MLT and Crouch as the main protaganists then I think we both know where our money would have been invested even before the results were known. We may not always agree Wes and 90% probably don't but you're no fool and I think you are looking for a debate with me that doesn't exist in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 If Crouch did prevent a worse outcome for the club then I am grateful. However all the rumours that he did, need to be balanced with thoughts that who knows what would have happened at the last minute? and also where would we be if Markus was not delayed by the Crouch supported Pinnacle bid? I have no ill feeling to Crouch but feel the club has moved on. I genuinely hope he is still attending and enjoying the performances. I can't imagine that he is not going all the time - after all he often spoke about the saving the club being the main thing, so why wouldn't he go just because he isn't in power? cheers Nick, put it so much better than me (as usual) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Noted the edit Darren.. Now, there was a list of the names of the people who put money in to help save the club, there is also a list of volunteers who worked extremenly hard to do what they could with their resources and abilities to save the club. The club was saved, EVERYONE of them deserve credit. Who's VALUE is the greater? The kid who puts ALL his pocket money in? or the Businessman who can write it off against tax as "PR expenses, charitable donations. Every ONE who helped or gave WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD is surely equal. Now my two issues are nothing to do with this. They are simply 1) It is extremely risky, but legally possible to "lend" money to a business in administration. This is a subtle difference to the view held on here of a"DONATION" If the business exits administration then there is often a quid pro quo for the lender who gets their money back. I am of the opinion that this MAY have happened. Nothing to do with personalities or motivations, simply analysis. I have asked for anyone with a coherent argument to the contrary 2) Leon joined forces with Pinnacle, Pinnacle delayed and nearly lost us ML. Pinnacle who clearly had no money miraculously appeared to "pay" a non-refundable deposit of 500k as Leon joined the team. How on EARTH can we fans not at least QUESTION whether his joining Pinnacle delayed or risked ML taking over? Now, Leon the PR expert saved the day, and built the statue hooray he is a hero, totally unarguably . Leon the Politician/Businessman backed Mike Wilde, backed Pinnalce and, based on the knowledge from contacts in insolvency law, will not have lost the money used to save the club. Has anyone not thought maybe he chooses to stay away because he expected ML to give him a hug, Directorship and a freebie seat? It is an equally POSSIBLE scenario. Pretty much sums up my stance or perhaps he is simply a bad loser whose true colours and motivation are now in public view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Pure speculation. It has been stated many a time that this deal came to Corteses attention when he read a story about Paul Allen trying to buy the club.Andy Oldknow was the man who caused all the interest to come to fruition. It was his football knowledge, particularly of how Saints ticked, that was a major influence. I know this to be true but I will not elaborate further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 As for the other Lowe girlies ...You are an idiot and I will not lower myself.....Pratt. sadoldgit I have taken my points and apologised to granty...Apologies to you and the group John B, jonah and nineteen canteen for calling you idiots and girlies.....YOU KNOW IT WAS TONGUE IN CHEEK..... Sorry to all my fellow posters for my frustration in calling some of the Lowey majorettes RA RA girls baton twirlers etc.... I will obviously be off the board from now on but enjoyed it while it lasted. Thank you to the mods amin staff etc I did have fun. ottery st mary luvs you all really even you sadold git. bye sorry for any offence girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Pure speculation. It has been stated many a time that this deal came to Corteses attention when he read a story about Paul Allen trying to buy the club. "I was made aware of the business opportunity in an email I received in April" The words as I recall them reported by the Echo and people on here and as stated by NC at the Fans Forum about a month ago. There was a thread on it. No speculation there, straight from the horses mouth (via a jouno at the Echo:rolleyes:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 It always amuses me how people in here can post something putting down one of the main protagonists of the last few years and then end it with "but let's look to the future shall we?" The reason we have a future is the fact that the like of Leon Crouch gave money to keep the club afloat. God forbid we ever say thank you for it... Completely agree with Daren W who demonstrates time-and-again that he is one of the more sensible and lucid posters on here. Dubai Phil's post was enchantingly nasty. We would have no club now if it werent for Leon Crouch's efforts in the Q2 and Q3 of this year. If anyone deserves a free ticket and a couple of drinkies on the house, it is him, without a doubt. I am sure Franks_cousin and 19C disagree though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Just in case people were interested Lawrie Mac was down at Dean Court on Saturday as a guest of Grimsby town, I spoke to a Bournemouth supporter who was talking to him outside the ground on Saturday night. Nice to see, at least it's another person in the ground....lol. How anyone top of the league, playing decent football can only scrape 5000 fans together is a mystery ! And there were about 350 Grimsby as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Steve Grant I know you are out there....I agree with my points etc..Fair do. For personal reasons I request that you close my acount/membership etc I no longer have the desire to continue as a poster. Thank you and your colleagues for all your hard work. The way this forum is going does not appeal....Idiots like me, sadoldgit, John B and canteen etc don't help...so best I leave it to the genuine posters.Some of you have been great. See you at St Marys COYRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 How would anyone be daft enough to think Lowe screwed up on purpose?? Incompetent yes, evil personified no. The fact that Crouch put money in whilst others took money out is so often glossed over these days... Personally I think Crouch is the one protagonist who fully deserves a free ticket... Indeed. Spot on. Interesting that Lowe never comes under Franks_cousin's analytical gaze the way that Leon Crouch does, despite being at the two polar opposite ends of the scale of "Directors Money In/Out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 It is unfortunate that Leon Crouch has reduced his attendance at home and away games. I know, apart from the first game when he was an invited guest of the new owner, he did not attend subsequent games but do not know if he has now come back. My information is now more than a month old. Laurie McMenemy has not been back since the original guest invite because, I am told and know from a highly respectable friend of his, he objects to having to pay to gain entry to SMS. Let us not forget though that he is a very busy man still and puts a tremendous amount of effort into charitable work. His high profile gets him enough "free lunches" elsewhere to keep him happy. Crouch had poor judgement when it came to football matters but his heart was in the right place. He should still be respected as a genuine fan. McMenemy did more to put Southampton FC on the map both in UK and Europe during his Managerial career. He and his team gave us more memorable moments that we could have ever hoped for in that time. Such a shame he meddled too much thereafter and, for me, tarnished his great reputation. Should McMenemy, Le Tissier and many other great Saints servants be given season tickets like Hampshire Cricket do for theirs? Well that is a debate for another day on another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I am very comfortable with none of them going, we no longer have the ridiculous politics and petty point scoring going on. Those that do go Like Richards, just keep their head down and support the team, as it should be. Crouch and McMenemy have their noses out of joint. Doesn't Cortese realise what they have done for the club in the past? All to well, I am sure. Lowe and Wilde believe it's best to keep out of things now, another winner. We still have some of the trolls remaining from Leon and Lawrie era, happily carrying the message of who was or was not at an away game. Thankfully those have been neutered as they don't even have the source now from home games, along with the decimation of freebies ruling out their attendance. I wonder why Leon and Lawrie don't go to the away games anymore? Prices should not have gone out the door for those tickets surely? If Carlsburg ever made football club owners, I don't think they would be as good as Liebherr and Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Completely agree with Daren W who demonstrates time-and-again that he is one of the more sensible and lucid posters on here. Dubai Phil's post was enchantingly nasty. We would have no club now if it werent for Leon Crouch's efforts in the Q2 and Q3 of this year. If anyone deserves a free ticket and a couple of drinkies on the house, it is him, without a doubt. I am sure Franks_cousin and 19C disagree though..Problem is, do you know you are right about Crouch or have you formed this opinion from other speculation on this forum? I will say no more but I know who I would be more influenced by! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 And Leibherr isn't doing that? lol What makes me laugh is the people who always slagged off Crouch for his brief tenure as chairman for spending money we didn't have. "You have to run it like a business, within your means..." It's ironic that Leibherr has done just that, chucked some money at it, tried to get a competitive football club and it's working. Get good players in and people will go. It's as simple as that. Does anyone think we'd have bought the likes of Rickie Lambert under Lowe? The truth is that Lambert will probably pay for himself in terms of bums on seats and goals scored. The problem we had was the diminishing returns we had under Lowe, every time we sold a player we'd get someone just not quite as good and as a result no one was surprised when we got relegated (twice) Crouch got us a good manager, tried to bring in some established old pros to counter balance the youngsters. That was all but wiped out the next season and no one was surprised when we failed spectacularly... Perhaps Dellman is right with the new broom, fresh start attitude, but let's not forget that Crouch's actions enabled this club to limp on long enough to get that fresh start I made this point TIME AND AGAIN over the previous 2 or 3 years, that decent play with decent players would put bums on seats, but nooooo, the "experts" on here kept going on about living within means even though we were on a vicious circle of dropping attendances and getting rid of decent players/p*ss-poor performances. I was roundly laughed at on here at the time for making the same point as you. The thought of being smug and ramming it down certain peoples throats is tempting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Should McMenemy, Le Tissier and many other great Saints servants be given season tickets like Hampshire Cricket do for theirs? Well that is a debate for another day on another thread. Probably right but I think any player or manager who played for or managed the club for 300 games or more should be make honorary life members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I am very comfortable with none of them going, we no longer have the ridiculous politics and petty point scoring going on. Those that do go Like Richards, just keep their head down and support the team, as it should be. Crouch and McMenemy have their noses out of joint. Doesn't Cortese realise what they have done for the club in the past? All to well, I am sure. Lowe and Wilde believe it's best to keep out of things now, another winner. We still have some of the trolls remaining from Leon and Lawrie era, happily carrying the message of who was or was not at an away game. Thankfully those have been neutered as they don't even have the source now from home games, along with the decimation of freebies ruling out their attendance. I wonder why Leon and Lawrie don't go to the away games anymore? Prices should not have gone out the door for those tickets surely? If Carlsburg ever made football club owners, I don't think they would be as good as Liebherr and Cortese.For that I have highlighted in bold, well said. I Agree. I agree with most of your other comments too. Often wondered who you really are. Still not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Problem is, do you know you are right about Crouch or have you formed this opinion from other speculation on this forum? I will say no more but I know who I would be more influenced by! I thought that the story of Crouch bailing the club out in the March-April time frame was more-or-less universally accepted by now, without even considering the rumour about him paying the Pinnacle exclusivity fee (which even though Pinnacle went tits-up, still demonstrated his deisre to save the club...if true). Blaming him for Pinnacle wasting the administrators time is p*ss easy with hindsight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Looking across from the Kingsland stand yesterday I notice that LM & LC box is no longer got there sign over the top. Does anyone know if they still own the box? Do they go to any home games? Do they sit in the directors seats? Lawrie McMenemy would have to pay ACTUAL Cash to get in ........ so that rules him out As for Leon Crouch .... don't know, but yes, he's been seen at Eastleigh a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 I thought that the story of Crouch bailing the club out in the March-April time frame was more-or-less universally accepted by now, without even considering the rumour about him paying the Pinnacle exclusivity fee (which even though Pinnacle went tits-up, still demonstrated his deisre to save the club...if true). Blaming him for Pinnacle wasting the administrators time is p*ss easy with hindsight...Or does it show a desire for wanting to stay in part charge but, unfortunately for him, backing the wrong people again? Who knows the truth? Crouch does. The rest is pure speculation. But there were some close to the action during administration and there were some who were close friends of Crouch. Those are the people I am influenced by, not those who rant and rave without fully engaging their brain. You know this is not aimed at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Wes naturally you have to have the money in the first place but do you think seriously that Pinnacle and presumably Crouch would have delivered a patient and even handed approach as ML and his team have and as you sugggest across all aspects of the club? MLT was even quoted as saying they were not considering managers without a Saints background ffs. Our greatest asset today is that we are a debt free club not one with a big slush fund and that said funds are most definitley finite and so Cortese has to spend it wisely which is what he is doing of course. Money, ego and poor decisions can be left to the Mike Ashley's of this world. Our board vs a board made up of MLT and Crouch as the main protaganists then I think we both know where our money would have been invested even before the results were known. We may not always agree Wes and 90% probably don't but you're no fool and I think you are looking for a debate with me that doesn't exist in this case. Yes, I don't disagree with what you have said here. IMO, although certain people associated with the club have had mixed reviews on whether they improved matters or made them worse, whether they acted with integrity or for motives of ego or personal gain, the plain fact is that most are glad that they are all gone. Although we need to reflect on our past history and the part played in it by the various protagonists, there can't be many, if any, who are not extremely grateful for the way that things have turned out and I have yet to see a bad word spoken about Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese. There might eventually come a time when there is some reason or other for some to bellyache about something, but so far they have not put a foot wrong and long may it last. As you rightly conclude, I was looking for a debate that doesn't exist. Things are so good at the club at the moment, that there is common ground between former sparring partners as far as the running of the club is concerned now. There is little to discuss apart from the football. That is how it ought to be, but it's so dull for those like me and you who like to gnaw on other bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Lawrie McMenemy would have to pay ACTUAL Cash to get in ........ so that rules him out As for Leon Crouch .... don't know, but yes, he's been seen at Eastleigh a few times Maybe at the Swan Center but as I stated earlier on this thread, he has only been once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Apart from the fact that you've quoted me before I changed part of it! It's just a shame that the likes of Crouch still get grief. Ok so he "backed the wrong horse" but it wasn't as if it was out of spite, it was just out of a desire to get the club sorted. It's ironic as I'd bet my house that the people who accuse Crouch of harming the club by delaying the arrival of Leibherr, did diddly squat to help the club during it's darkest hours.Daren great to have you back posting. I take exception to your piece about people trying to help the club who criticise LC. There are many fans who quietly did things at that time to try and help the situation. faceless people who also sat amongst the fans not expecting a 'role on the board' when the club was saved, but just knowing thier love had been saved. I can never get my head around why people who have been paid handsomely or had perks we can only dream of , then expect freebies for life. Why should the normal fan in the street pay towards their tickets.Many fans work hard all week and use their only disposable income to buy tickets for the game. Many on here cant afford to go to games but if they had the ash would think nothing of buying the ticket.Are they less deserving? They have paid their money and seen the dross through thick and thin, in fact their investment of their wealth is proportionally larger than anything LC LM or even people like myself have ever invested in the club. I am with DP in this, if they want to go and support the club and love it as much as they say they shouldnt worry abot paying £30 or more. They will get privilages and entry easier than the majority of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Daren great to have you back posting. I take exception to your piece about people trying to help the club who criticise LC. There are many fans who quietly did things at that time to try and help the situation. faceless people who also sat amongst the fans not expecting a 'role on the board' when the club was saved, but just knowing thier love had been saved. I can never get my head around why people who have been paid handsomely or had perks we can only dream of , then expect freebies for life. Why should the normal fan in the street pay towards their tickets.Many fans work hard all week and use their only disposable income to buy tickets for the game. Many on here cant afford to go to games but if they had the ash would think nothing of buying the ticket.Are they less deserving? They have paid their money and seen the dross through thick and thin, in fact their investment of their wealth is proportionally larger than anything LC LM or even people like myself have ever invested in the club. I am with DP in this, if they want to go and support the club and love it as much as they say they shouldnt worry abot paying £30 or more. They will get privilages and entry easier than the majority of us. When was Leon Crouch "paid handsomely" for his involvement with SFC ? It only ever cost him money, which is why many of us argue he should be an exception to NCs and MLs rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 When was Leon Crouch "paid handsomely" for his involvement with SFC ? It only ever cost him money, which is why many of us argue he should be an exception to NCs and MLs rule. handsomely paid by prestige perhaps. His involvement propelled him from an unknown businessman ,apart from people in his field to instant recognition to thousands.Sometimes being very wealthy is not enough. I see no exception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 handsomely paid by prestige perhaps. His involvement propelled him from an unknown businessman ,apart from people in his field to instant recognition to thousands.Sometimes being very wealthy is not enough. I see no exception Ridiculous. He did what he did for the club, not for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Ridiculous. He did what he did for the club, not for himself. Only someone who deeply deeply loves the club would do such a thing which is why his non attendance is very confusing wouldn't you agree ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 Ridiculous. He did what he did for the club, not for himself.IYO. He undoubtedly feels a great deal for the club but I doubt that is any more than you or me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 handsomely paid by prestige perhaps. His involvement propelled him from an unknown businessman ,apart from people in his field to instant recognition to thousands.Sometimes being very wealthy is not enough. I see no exception "Prestige" ?? I can see that. Having a load of narrow-minded idiots of limited intelligence slag him off on an internet chatsite. "Prestige" indeed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 " I can see that. Having a load of narrow-minded idiots of limited intelligence slag him off on an internet chatsite. .... but you are not slagging him off, and so I don't get your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 but you are not slagging him off, and so I don't get your point No - you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 lol.If anyone wants prestige on a chatroom then that is funny. You may think that is prestige, but I see it more for him as being asked for autograpghs and geting publicity that his business never gave him. He is a wealthy man who is self made.I always have admiration for them...until they meddle with the football club I follow and then make a couple of bad calls that may have jeopodised it. Anyway i dont want to get into a debate of that past nonsense,. IMO all should pay for their own tickets, if the owner does then why not everybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 "Prestige" ?? I can see that. Having a load of narrow-minded idiots of limited intelligence slag him off on an internet chatsite. "Prestige" indeed.... It's similar to the prestige and recognition that you have always worked towards on this forum (succesfully mind)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodster Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 5 wins on the trot and the future looking very healthy and still the same people debating the same old b*****ks!! Get over it people!! Enjoy the moment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 The fact that nicola and markus said earlier in the season that nobody should get a free ticket has put them well up their on the respect front for me. It's not like these guys are short of a bob or two. However i completely agree with some of the sentiments. Ok Crouch made some wrong choices but at lease he put his credibility and money on the line for the good of southampton. Something a few of our rich fans have said before they would be more than willing to do and then fail to materialise. As for Lawrie, he has such history with the club and like him or not he fully deserves to still be a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 26 October, 2009 Share Posted 26 October, 2009 How would anyone be daft enough to think Lowe screwed up on purpose?? Incompetent yes, evil personified no. The fact that Crouch put money in whilst others took money out is so often glossed over these days... Personally I think Crouch is the one protagonist who fully deserves a free ticket... I have always taken the view that generosity should always bring gratitude but not necessarily favour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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