.comsaint Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 NO...unlike the wishy washy world, we in the forces are still clinging on to names for each other... I call one lad i know "big nig"...he is a black lad.. is this racist..? I still keep in touch with a good mate of mine from Birmingham who I served with on HMS Cardiff back in the mid-80s. Smashing fella. He's black - and his nickname was (and still is) 'Snowy'. Never ever a "problem". It's a 'Forces thing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I don't call French people 'frogs' and I have never heard a french person call me 'ros bif'. Maybe it's the company I keep. Why resort to words that have nasty insinuations through past mis-use to describe people? Why not say 'asian' 'red-headed' if that's the only way you can distinguish one person from another. Maybe limited intelligence means such people don't have more sophisticated words to describe people? Why be insulting? Why say 'that fat bloke over there'? Why not say 'that bloke over there with the Portsmouth shirt on'? I'd hate myself if I insulted someone - even someone that I didn't know and unintentionally. BTF.....re-read the whole of your post...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 well this nursery is in Torquay..unless local policies are copied nation wide then I see no reason for her to lie to me on this issue Perhaps it is policy set by the owners of the nursery? Ofsted and Early Years are national organisations and I know they haven't implemented such a scheme. I would be extremely surprised if Torquay council had got involved and changed any policy. Even if true, it's not over the whole country and IMO there is no chance of it happening over the whole country. Nothing to worry or get angry about. I agree it's stupid tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I still keep in touch with a good mate of mine from Birmingham who I served with on HMS Cardiff back in the mid-80s. Smashing fella. He's black - and his nickname was (and still is) 'Snowy'. Never ever a "problem". It's a 'Forces thing'. thing is...the lad we call (i know him from my comms training) he insists we call him it..we felt uncomfortable with it..but that is the beauty (in general) with the forces, we take the mick out of each other in a very non PC way.... those who want to change it are those who have never served....you trust these people with your life and know the boundries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 BTF.....re-read the whole of your post...lol Nope - non-sequitur buddy. I don't use insulting language BECAUSE I'd hate myself if I hurt someone by using such language. K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I still keep in touch with a good mate of mine from Birmingham who I served with on HMS Cardiff back in the mid-80s. Smashing fella. He's black - and his nickname was (and still is) 'Snowy'. Never ever a "problem". It's a 'Forces thing'. But that's sort of what I was saying.If he isn't offended by it then there is no problem. It's calling someone Snowy who IS offended that's the problem and the same applies to Paddy, Jock etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 If I knew that someone was offended by a term I used then I would try not to use it in front of them. It's pretty simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 If I knew that someone was offended by a term I used then I would try not to use it in front of them. It's pretty simple really. very very true... thing is, there are too many do gooders who think they are forcing change for the the best intentions of others...with asking said people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 very very true... thing is, there are too many do gooders who think they are forcing change for the the best intentions of others...with asking said people Yep I agree with that as well. I'm sure that therefore you can see that using Jock and Paddy on here could be seen as offensive to some? So why use it if you know it has the potential to cause offense? Good debate btw delldays. Don't often agree with you but it's nice that we can debate without insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I don't call French people 'frogs' and I have never heard a french person call me 'ros bif'. Maybe it's the company I keep. Why resort to words that have nasty insinuations through past mis-use to describe people? Why not say 'asian' 'red-headed' if that's the only way you can distinguish one person from another. Maybe limited intelligence means such people don't have more sophisticated words to describe people? Why be insulting? Why say 'that fat bloke over there'? Why not say 'that bloke over there with the Portsmouth shirt on'? I'd hate myself if I insulted someone - even someone that I didn't know and unintentionally. Maybe it is the company you keep, but have a look at this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2913151.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 (edited) Seems the raving-loony jackass is smarting after his appearance on QT last night. He's claiming he was a victim of an 'ethnically cleansed' London, and that the show should have been broadcast from a place where whites still actually live. This would be the London that is 59.8% white British, and where whites as a whole constitute over 70% of the city's population. Edited 23 October, 2009 by Verbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Why be insulting? Why say 'that fat bloke over there'? Because it is fun. Also, fat people are fair game and need to be told. Arguably, you'd be doing the fat c*nts a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Maybe it is the company you keep, but have a look at this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2913151.stm That's a good article, thanks for that I would think that anyone who debased a cemetry was of pretty low intelligence. So it sort of follows that using insulting labels (whatever the nationality of the perpetrator) indicates lack of imagination and probably intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Hands-up to having called the French "frogs" in the past (the shame of it) - but my reasons were justified in that I was having major problems with my Citroen at the time...or 'Sh1troen' as my mechanic says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 What made me laugh was the panel members and audience members that basically stated people were voting BNP because they didn't know what the BNP truely stood for. It's this attitude that will see the BNP continue to rise because BNP voters know exactly what they are voting for. Jack Straw wouldn't even give us an explanation as to why the far right has grown so much during the last 12 years under the Socialists. Putting it simply Labour are completely out of touch with the electorate and it is the likes of Jack Straw that should take the most credit for the BNP's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I prefer the phrase "cheese eating surrender monkeys" to "frogs". "Roast beefs" is simply pathetic and shows a distinct lack of imagination on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I'm not sure you understand the concept of voting! You're not mean't to put the cross against the party you don't want in power... What do you mean by 'Totalitarian Welfare State'? I can only assume you are suggesting we've moved too far towards Communism? If you haven't noticed, 'new' labour are an authoritarian centre right party. Check out where Political Compass places the BNP... thats right, they're the closest party this country has to Communism (or as you put it a 'Totalitarian Welfare State'). So if you like your racist commies, why not vote BNP... (which of course makes the crass assumption that you'd be voting for the party you wanted to see in power, my bad!) eh? Like that makes any sense! Are you really that naive?.....or just playing dumb in a bid to score some kind of forum points?........Ever heard of tactical voting?....Ask all the socialists on here, who vote Lib Dem just to keep the Tories out etc. Do you really believe Nick Griffon has a hope in hell in asking Her Maj to form a Government after the next election? Did i say Communism?.....If i meant Communism I'd have said Communism... I'm fully aware of where the BNP stand politically, which is why i wouldn't want to see them actually form a Government......However, their manifesto still contains a good deal of 'common sense'...Something the mainstream parties have long forgotten.... The BNP have already given the main parties a nudge, even though they are still a relatively minor entity.....Give them a higher percentage of the vote and they're going to scare the **** out of them.....Hell they may even start to actualy listen too, and 'serve' the people...A concept long ago forgoten in Britain... Right now Britain needs a strong BNP type party....Its your only hope..... Although it may already be too late.....A whole lot of Brits have settled into the comfort zone a 'Totalitarian Welfare State' provides...Do as your told and Nanny will look after you. But hey, if thats what Brits want, who am i to say any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Because it is fun. Also, fat people are fair game and need to be told. Arguably, you'd be doing the fat c*nts a favour. It must be wonderful to be flawless like you. Wonderful, because no-one needs to resort to baser intelligence levels to insult you. How refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 It must be wonderful to be flawless like you. Yes it is actually. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 If a French person called me 'ros bif' I would be just so shocked, hurt and feel so victimised. I would never go to their country again; or one of their restaurants over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Yes it is actually. Thanks. You're welcome. Just a teensy weensy bit of well-meant advice. Learn not to insult people who may or may not have a medical condition that leads to weight gain and you really will be perfect! Then I would aspire to be you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 If a French person called me 'ros bif' I would be just so shocked, hurt and feel so victimised. I would never go to their country again; or one of their restaurants over here. In Germany we are known as 'Island Monkeys' - I quite like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 In China we are known as Gwailos (sp) - 'white ghosts' - cool. I am of the opinion that we have the free will to choose whether or not we wish to be offended by anything, it should not happen automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Learn not to insult people who may or may not have a medical condition that leads to weight gain and you really will be perfect! I don't think stuffing one's face with cakes and lard is technically a medical condition. Then I would aspire to be you. Feel free to join the fan club anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I don't think stuffing one's face with cakes and lard is technically a medical condition. Feel free to join the fan club anytime. Just a gentle reminder that this isnt TMS. Sarcasm goes down a little easier and infractionless there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I don't think stuffing one's face with cakes and lard is technically a medical condition. Feel free to join the fan club anytime. So, since you are flawless, you are presumably gifted too? So gifted that you can see, at a glance, that the stranger walking towards you who is above average weight, stuffs his / her face with cakes and lard? Wow! I'll tell my cousin, who has to take steroids for a medical condition and who has, as a result, ballooned in weight, that it's CAKES and LARD, not steroids doing the damage! Thanks RH - he'll be so chuffed (even though his condition means he doesn't eat a high fat diet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Just a gentle reminder that this isnt TMS. Sarcasm goes down a little easier and infractionless there... TBF Baj - I started the sarcastic dialogue with RH. Sorry xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Well I enjoyed watching. It was wonderfull to watch NG openly show himself to be the racist homophopic waster that he is. People please remember that a vote for the BNP is not a vote for "Englishness" it is a vote for racisim. I dont believe every person who voted BNP is actually a racisit, just maybe misguided and angry with the government. But there is other ways. Please dont ever put a cross in the box next to the BNP. All in my opinion of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 So, since you are flawless, you are presumably gifted too? So gifted that you can see, at a glance, that the stranger walking towards you who is above average weight, stuffs his / her face with cakes and lard? Wow! I'll tell my cousin, who has to take steroids for a medical condition and who has, as a result, ballooned in weight, that it's CAKES and LARD, not steroids doing the damage! Thanks RH - he'll be so chuffed (even though his condition means he doesn't eat a high fat diet). All good points there. Pleased to have been of assistance. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Only watched the first 15 minutes before I fell asleep so can't comment on all the comments that were made However I was concerned at the amount of bullying and victimisation that was going on on Griffin , Even Dimbleby was giving him a good kicking. Dimbleby has lost stacks of credibility on handling the chair lastnight. We should allow for free speech and democracy but last nights programme was akin to a bunch of baying wolves salivating over their prey I thought we lived in a civilised society but clearly not. Is it okay to victimise and bully someone because they have differing viewpoints.? Clearly judging by the audience and certain panel members its ok to do so. Oh Im not sticking up for Griffin , but if your going to have a debate have one not the crap that was served up lastnight I don't believe Dimbleby gave Mr Griffin a harder time last night than he does with any other politician who holds a controversial view. I've seen him give others a very hard time. Some can brush off attacks easily (Ken Clarke and Boris J for example both appear to have that 'teflon' quality) whereas others, Griffin now being one of them, have difficulty handling it. Griffin wanted to be taken seriously, his party won the seats to allow him a place on the panel and last night he experienced the consequences of holdings his views - just like any other politician. Nor is Mr Dimbleby alone in this style of aggressive questioning. How many times did Paxman ask Michael Howard that awkward question about Derek Lewis and several years ago? 12 times, wasn't it? Nope, Nick Griffin came up against democracy last night. He didn't like it and he wasn't very good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I thought Nick handled it quite well. I'll be voting for them again. He is a bit tubby and has a spade-face and a gammy eye. He repulses a lot of people, including most women. I don't blame you for voting for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Right now Britain needs a strong BNP type party....Its your only hope..... Although it may already be too late.....A whole lot of Brits have settled into the comfort zone a 'Totalitarian Welfare State' provides...Do as your told and Nanny will look after you. But hey, if thats what Brits want, who am i to say any different. "a strong BNP type party" ? What is a BNP type party ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 With hindsight quotas for the A8 would have been a good idea but business, which Labour snuggled up in bed with, wanted total freedom of movement as it brought in plenty of good, cheap, labour. So our extreme right wing, neo-fascist tory posters, capitalism, in all of its glory, brought us our recent East European immigration flood. Are you suggesting that the markets were wrong? That raw capitalism failed society? Well I never. spot on,the new labour tories will soon be replaced by the proper tory party who will cosy up to the same bankers who got us in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 He is a bit tubby and has a spade-face and a gammy eye. He repulses a lot of people, including most women. I don't blame you for voting for him.maybe its a mirror imageof stu :Dcarefull he may grass you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 It's a good job Griffin isn't a skilled politician or fearsome orator, because with the disappointing slant of last nights show (less a political debate, more a test for Griffin to show how he performs) the traditional appeal to us Brits of the sense of fair play, mixed with an impressive Griffin, would have given the BNP some priceless publicity and stood them at the gates of mainstream political coverage. Fortunately he was shown to be a lightweight, not the sort an extremist political group needs at the helm. As an aside, i do hope that the question of immigration into the UK can be discussed and debated more sensibly over the coming years and not hijacked by shouts of "racist" to anyone who wants to stem the flow of migration into this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 What made me laugh was the panel members and audience members that basically stated people were voting BNP because they didn't know what the BNP truely stood for. It's this attitude that will see the BNP continue to rise because BNP voters know exactly what they are voting for. Jack Straw wouldn't even give us an explanation as to why the far right has grown so much during the last 12 years under the Socialists. Putting it simply Labour are completely out of touch with the electorate and it is the likes of Jack Straw that should take the most credit for the BNP's success. Yeah, all their voters know just what the BNP are. It's not like anybody on another thread who voted BNP made a comment along the lines of "It's not like I'm voting for the National Front". Errr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Yeah, all their voters know just what the BNP are. It's not like anybody on another thread who voted BNP made a comment along the lines of "It's not like I'm voting for the National Front". Errr... lol....idiots..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 (edited) Are you really that naive?.....or just playing dumb in a bid to score some kind of forum points?........Ever heard of tactical voting?....Ask all the socialists on here, who vote Lib Dem just to keep the Tories out etc.. So you're going to vote BNP to keep, erm, who exactly out? As (thankfully) the BNP aren't running in the top three parties in any polls south of Watford, could you explain how voting BNP could in any way be considered 'tactical'? Do you really believe Nick Griffon has a hope in hell in asking Her Maj to form a Government after the next election? Nope! Hurrah. Let’s work hard to keep it that way Did i say Communism?.....If i meant Communism I'd have said Communism... You certainly didn't. So what on earth is a 'Totalitarian Welfare State' then? Certainly google doesn't seem to know, throwing up links to both Soviets and Nazi's! I'm fully aware of where the BNP stand politically, which is why i wouldn't want to see them actually form a Government......However, their manifesto still contains a good deal of 'common sense'...Something the mainstream parties have long forgotten.... I can't say I've personally read the BNP manifesto. But I can say that to date I have strongly disagreed with every policy of theirs I have had the misfortune to hear (not just race, also environment, homosexuality etc). I agree that the main parties have lost their way, (useless the lot of them), but I have yet to see any 'common sense' from Griffin and his ilk. Right now Britain needs a strong BNP type party....Its your only hope..... Right now Britain needs a socially oriented egalitarian government with a focus on efficiency (spending as little as possible as wisely as possible). We certainly don't want a fascist party. Although it may already be too late.....A whole lot of Brits have settled into the comfort zone a 'Totalitarian Welfare State' provides...Do as your told and Nanny will look after you. But hey, if thats what Brits want, who am i to say any different. Over the past 12 years Britain has voted for an increasingly totalitarian right wing party called 'New Labour' who frankly have done little to benefit the country in their time in power. Britain is about to elect an almost identikit party in the 'Conservatives'. The BNP are definitely different to both; but they are also without doubt much, much worse than the nastiest fringes of either. [bTW, does anybody have any idea what a 'Totalitarian Welfare State' is? Is it just a something said by people of the extreme right to describe their dislike of being taxed to help support the disadvantaged?] Edited 23 October, 2009 by Joensuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 I thought that Tory bird was pretty fit, she'd get my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Sorry Kingsland but the 15 minutes I saw, Dimbleby was being more aggressive with his questions than usual. He was as bad if not worse than jack straw and some of the audience. if he had been any good he would have curtailed some of the questions to include the Postal strike etc. but he didnt Oh and we lost another soldier in Afghan yesterday. did they discuss afghan and the election run off. No Sorry JD was a complete tosser who was allowed to indulge in the badger baiting last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Griffin didn't need anyone else to make him look a c*nt, he did a perfectly good job of it himself. 'I don't know why I had those holocaust views' 'He's from the non-violent Ku Klux Klan'. What a thicko. He was right when he said that the country was full though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Sorry JD was a complete tosser. Who ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Sorry Kingsland but the 15 minutes I saw, Dimbleby was being more aggressive with his questions than usual. He was as bad if not worse than jack straw and some of the audience. if he had been any good he would have curtailed some of the questions to include the Postal strike etc. but he didnt Oh and we lost another soldier in Afghan yesterday. did they discuss afghan and the election run off. No Sorry JD was a complete tosser who was allowed to indulge in the badger baiting last night. Dimbleby treated Griffin exactly the same as any other politician who has tried to deny saying things, when he knew they had. It may have looked worse because Griffin was lying through his back teeth more than the average panellist. It wasn't badger baiting, and Griffin chose to accept the BBC's invitation. No point crying after he was shown up for the f*cktard he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Sorry Kingsland but the 15 minutes I saw, Dimbleby was being more aggressive with his questions than usual. He was as bad if not worse than jack straw and some of the audience. if he had been any good he would have curtailed some of the questions to include the Postal strike etc. but he didnt Oh and we lost another soldier in Afghan yesterday. did they discuss afghan and the election run off. No Sorry JD was a complete tosser who was allowed to indulge in the badger baiting last night. Nope. If you watched the whole thing he actually controlled it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 It's a shame the BNP shoot themselves in the feet with their blatant racism Having strong opinions on immigration doesn't make somebody racist, and the BNP's rise has coincided with the major parties being out of touch with a growing number of voters on this subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 It's a shame the BNP shoot themselves in the feet with their blatant racism It is therefore not a shame then, like most racists they find it difficult to hide, having to think about every word you say must be difficult for the ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 It's a shame the BNP shoot themselves in the feet with their blatant racism Having strong opinions on immigration doesn't make somebody racist, and the BNP's rise has coincided with the major parties being out of touch with a growing number of voters on this subject Yeah it's what I said earlier in the thread. Wish there was a party with the decent BNP policies. I'd vote for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 a balanced post, most of which i agree with, then you have to use an insult, to make your point....why??? The facts are.... Labour too little way too late...the horse has bolted. We are heaving at the seams, our utility companys say they are stretched to breaking point....we don't have enough housing...school places...the nhs is struggling....nearly 3 million un-employed........... Hello!!!!!!..........do we need immigrants???????? hello????!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 hello????!!!! Atticus this is the lounge and it's a pretty interesting topic. Kindly bugger off back to TMS if you have nothing to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 23 October, 2009 Share Posted 23 October, 2009 Atticus this is the lounge and it's a pretty interesting topic. Kindly bugger off back to TMS if you have nothing to contribute. He's not very sharp at the best of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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