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Certainly. Personally I wouldn't be comfortable walking past any people virtually eating each others' faces, even more so if they happen to be of the same sex. Save it for the privacy of your own home is my motto.

 

I probably agree with that. Then again, I don't think I've ever seen any gay people getting off with each other in the street.

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I think you will find other members of the EU did put quota's on and remained in the EU

 

 

Look, just give up debating with someone who makes things up as he goes along to suit his argument.

 

I have already pointed out that only the UK, Ireland and Sweden did not impose quotas whilst everybody else did.

 

Even when Labour's Immigration Minister admits it (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-policy.html), the lefties will still not have anything bad said against their precious party.

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It is fairly amusing that people want to censor the BNP and pretend they don't exist in the name of democracy when they fail to realise that they are in opposition to a democratic society when they deny them the right to air their views.

 

I found myself shouting at the screen in agreement when Bonnie Greer said her point about the British public. FINALLY someone gives us some credit and doesn't believe that just because Griffin is on Question Time that we are going to swallow everything he says and become fascist. It's nice that people have faith in the common sense of the British people for once.

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So in your world, anyone who has an issue with immigrants/Islam.....the French/Jocks/Paddys....etc [...] is a Racist!!!!...

 

Yup, sounds like a crude, but basic correct definition to me.

 

(Obviously, you'll need to replace the specific national-centric variations with something more generic and more specifically related to race, but it sure is a good first attempt :rolleyes:)

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Until the Govt ban them the BNP are as entittled to have as much air time as any other party that secured the votes and seats they did.It's a bit rich Peter Hain and Diane Abbott calling for them not to be allowed on, and yet their Govt wont make them a proscribed organisation.In terms of his performance I thought any reasonable person would have found him shifty and unbelievable, however no reasonable person would ever have voted for him and his thugs in the first place,so I doubt if he lost many votes.I can hardly see people watching and thinking "I was going to vote for them, but didn't like Griffin, so I'll vote Tory".

 

The whole thing was a set up from the word go. There is plenty of mainstream Muslim opinion that would ban homosexuality and yet the question is never posed to any of their leaders in any BBC forum.Question Time, could be a really good programme, but it is spoiled by lightweight guests and pathetic questions. The BBC's political output is a joke. This week, that follows is just Portillo and Abbott flirting with each other and the Jock with the syrup making unfunny jokes. You get better debates on here.

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Lol......again!!!!. So in your world, anyone who has an issue with immigrants/Islam.....the French/Jocks/Paddys....etc, that differs to that of the tree hugging left, is a Racist!!!!...now that really makes me laugh. Why is it ( and I've said this before), why is it that the Minority in this country, have the biggest say????, simple, the majority are silent. That my friend, is an undenyable truth.

 

On other threads here in the lounge...the insults have mainly been posted by those with a left leaning slant...........why????.....what are you afraid of?????

 

Pardon the analogy, but why does everything have to be so black and white? why do you consider anybody who is disgusted by what the BNP stand for to be a 'tree-hugging lefty'? You complain about left-leaning posters throwing insults, but is that not just as much of an insult in itself? My political views may well be left-leaning (if they must be pigeon-holed), but I personally take offence at being labelled a 'tree-hugging lefty', just as much as anybody who is right-leaning may take offence at being called a nazi. A bit of double standards on your part there, if I may point that out to you without you getting insulted by it.

 

If you read through my posts you will realise that I am not claiming that anybody who has a problem with immigration is a racist. Nowhere have I said that, and in fact I made the point that the large majority of the population of this country, me included I might add, do believe that there has been very poor control over immigration over the last decade. I believe this is something that you and I agree on, yes?

 

The point I am making is that Nick Griffin is a vile, narrow-minded, bigoted little man who has a conviction for inciting racial hatred, and that anybody with the slightest amount of intellect and researching skills can see through his veneer of respectability and see him and his party for what they really are. There are plenty of alternative, effective solutions to the immigration problem, but voting for the BNP based purely on their perceived stance on this one single issue shows that the voter is either a) a strong follower of the BNP's views on race (ie racist) or b) completely unable to see the truth of what they really stand for.

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Can't you read properly????????????????.........He is saying that anyone who doesn't think Griffin is a bigoted liar is either a racist or a simpleton....................

 

get it????????????????????????????......do you think Griffin is a racist????????????????????

 

I can read.............now listen to what I have said....regardless of the fact that he may or may not be the Bigoted liar you 'say he is'...why the need to label his believers as either Simpletons or Racist.

 

IMHO the term 'Racist' is bandied around why to easily, in much the same way as the term 'Hero'.....my point being made, is that according to the left, if you have a differing view of their future Britain, then you are a Racist. Now my other half, can no way be called a racist, but she has great concerns about the level of immigration into this country, both legal, and illigal.

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Everyone knows that Nick Griffin is a racist and a bit of a fool. Anyone who actively supports him and what he does is in my opinion very ignorant and a bit dim. People who voted for him out of protest or frustration do not fall into this category. You can vote for the BNP knowing they will never get into a position of power if you think it will create change without supporting any of the racist views of Nick and his party.

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Until the Govt ban them the BNP are as entittled to have as much air time as any other party that secured the votes and seats they did.It's a bit rich Peter Hain and Diane Abbott calling for them not to be allowed on, and yet their Govt wont make them a proscribed organisation.In terms of his performance I thought any reasonable person would have found him shifty and unbelievable, however no reasonable person would ever have voted for him and his thugs in the first place,so I doubt if he lost many votes.I can hardly see people watching and thinking "I was going to vote for them, but didn't like Griffin, so I'll vote Tory".

 

The whole thing was a set up from the word go. There is plenty of mainstream Muslim opinion that would ban homosexuality and yet the question is never posed to any of their leaders in any BBC forum.Question Time, could be a really good programme, but it is spoiled by lightweight guests and pathetic questions. The BBC's political output is a joke. This week, that follows is just Portillo and Abbott flirting with each other and the Jock with the syrup making unfunny jokes. You get better debates on here.

 

Oooooo!!!!.............don't let Pancake see you using that term.....you'll be labelled a racist.

 

 

Right Pancake????

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I can read.............now listen to what I have said....regardless of the fact that he may or may not be the Bigoted liar you 'say he is'...why the need to label his believers as either Simpletons or Racist.

 

IMHO the term 'Racist' is bandied around why to easily, in much the same way as the term 'Hero'.....my point being made, is that according to the left, if you have a differing view of their future Britain, then you are a Racist. Now my other half, can no way be called a racist, but she has great concerns about the level of immigration into this country, both legal, and illigal.

 

 

I remember being branded a racist on here last year when I said I was going to vote for UKIP...

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Everyone knows that Nick Griffin is a racist and a bit of a fool. Anyone who actively supports him and what he does is in my opinion very ignorant and a bit dim. People who voted for him out of protest or frustration do not fall into this category. You can vote for the BNP knowing they will never get into a position of power if you think it will create change without supporting any of the racist views of Nick and his party.

 

thats the craziest thing i've ever read. if you use a vote for the BNP then you vote for the BNP, their leader and each one of their vile, unformed and frankly laughable policies.

 

I understand that people feel betrayed by labour and the other parties, but if you vote for them as a protest you are as much a threat to this country as a thug with a swastika tatooed on his forehead.

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It's a bit rich Peter Hain and Diane Abbott calling for them not to be allowed on...

 

It's a bit rich for Peter Hain to be saying anything!

 

He was the first person to resign from Gordon Brown's cabinet. Peter Hain's campaign failed to declare £103,156 of donations, contrary to electoral law. Another pig with his snout in the trough & yet another sleazy politician running the country at the time.

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thats the craziest thing i've ever read. if you use a vote for the BNP then you vote for the BNP, their leader and each one of their vile, unformed and frankly laughable policies.

 

I understand that people feel betrayed by labour and the other parties, but if you vote for them as a protest you are as much a threat to this country as a thug with a swastika tatooed on his forehead.

 

So are you saying that everyone who has voted for the BNP supports their policies and is therefore racist themselves? Most commentators reckon that a large majority of the recent BNP votes were protest votes from frustrated members of the public who feel alienated by the main political parties.

 

I don't support the BNP in any way BTW and I have never voted for them.

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It's a bit rich for Peter Hain to be saying anything!

 

He was the first person to resign from Gordon Brown's cabinet. Peter Hain's campaign failed to declare £103,156 of donations, contrary to electoral law. Another pig with his snout in the trough & yet another sleazy politician running the country at the time.

 

Also a man, who has easily forgotten his own strong views in the past!!!!!

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I do.........and I remember Pancake intimating that I am a racist on this thread......funny old world we live in.

 

TBF just debate the issues without going on like you are being victimised. Some people could be offended by some of the words you have used. Just don't do it and you'll be fine.

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TBF just debate the issues without going on like you are being victimised. Some people could be offended by some of the words you have used. Just don't do it and you'll be fine.

 

......what?????

 

 

You are seriously having a laugh now...............surely. If not, then this country has really lost all reasonable sense of free speech!!!

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I remember being branded a racist on here last year when I said I was going to vote for UKIP...

 

Now Im bored, so bear with me. Ive searched for threads on here where "Thedelldays" and "UKIP" or "UK IP" have been used. Only 4 turn up. And in only 1 of those is it actually you, TDD, talking about voting for UKIP. The the ONLY person that responds to you is Bungle, and he never uses the word racist or even remotely hints at you being a racists or the UKIP having racists undertones.

 

Now, I might well have missed a post or used the wrong search criteria, but it seems you are wrong on this one TDD.

 

Oh, and yes I can see deleted threads on here, so they were searched too.

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I do.........and I remember Pancake intimating that I am a racist on this thread......funny old world we live in.

 

TBF, you call two large groups of people "Jocks" and "Paddys" then people are more than likely to perceive you to have racist or xenophobic feelings.

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Now Im bored, so bear with me. Ive searched for threads on here where "Thedelldays" and "UKIP" or "UK IP" have been used. Only 4 turn up. And in only 1 of those is it actually you, TDD, talking about voting for UKIP. The the ONLY person that responds to you is Bungle, and he never uses the word racist or even remotely hints at you being a racists or the UKIP having racists undertones.

 

Now, I might well have missed a post or used the wrong search criteria, but it seems you are wrong on this one TDD.

 

Oh, and yes I can see deleted threads on here, so they were searched too.

 

 

it happened mate...must have been on the old site...but it happened over a year ago

I have been a long time supporter of UKIP....but for the general election, I will go Tory.....Labour needs to be removed for a tory like party and voting fot UKIP will not help.

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TBF, you call two large groups of people "Jocks" and "Paddys" then people are more than likely to perceive you to have racist or xenophobic feelings.

 

I call Australians 'Aussies'.......I call Americans 'Yanks'...FFS, how far do you want to take this PC crap. Guess what they call us.....Do you honestly think that an Aussie will be crying tonight, because he was called an 'Aussie'.....if that's racist, then deal with this post accordingly:mad::mad:

 

Well your at it...infract/ban all those that use the words Fat/thin/Blonde/Ginger/Freckles/Tubby/spotty...etc etc etc.....

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I call Australians 'Aussies'.......I call Americans 'Yanks'...FFS, how far do you want to take this PC crap. Guess what they call us.....Do you honestly think that an Aussie will be crying tonight, because he was called an 'Aussie'.....if that's racist, then deal with this post accordingly:mad::mad:

 

Well your at it...infract/ban all those that use the words Fat/thin/Blonde/Ginger/Freckles/Tubby/spotty...etc etc etc.....

 

Why not call them Irish and Scottish then? They are totally different terms and you know it. You wouldn't call a black person a ni**er would you?

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I call Australians 'Aussies'.......I call Americans 'Yanks'...FFS, how far do you want to take this PC crap. Guess what they call us.....Do you honestly this that an Aussie will be crying tonight, because he was called an 'Aussie'.....if that's racist, then deal with this post accordingly:mad::mad:

 

Well your at it...infract/ban all those that use the words Fat/thin/Blonde/Ginger/Freckles/Tubby/spotty...etc etc etc.....

IMO, things have gone too far.....a girl have been out of a few dates with is a teacher and was talking about doo's and don't in todays class rooms..

 

she teaches at a nursery...I asked her do nursery rhymes still exist..?

they, do she said but IF they sing 'ba ba black sheep' it is policy that they have to sing 'ba ba white sheep'

 

I could not get into the issue without getting wound up...not that I like the rhyme..but as to why do people go so far..?

 

an asian lad at work cringes when he sees white middle class people thinking they are "doing good" with this PCness...in his opinion it creates more division....

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I can only speculate that if true, the poster calling you it was either not being particularly serious or was themselves extremely ignorant. I very much doubt that you would find anyone on here now who would seriously call you a racist for voting UKIP.

 

 

not now...as it seems 'allowed' to have a discussion about immigration...only a few months back on here, the usual members would have dismissed you as racist...

 

now they cant as they have realised that there is a problem (even the people in power are admitting they have got it wrong) and dismissing peoples concernes means more power to the BNP

 

these people need to have a look at themselves and they way they have thrown around the word racist over the years

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I call Australians 'Aussies'.......I call Americans 'Yanks'...FFS, how far do you want to take this PC crap. Guess what they call us.....Do you honestly this that an Aussie will be crying tonight, because he was called an 'Aussie'.....if that's racist, then deal with this post accordingly:mad::mad:

 

Well your at it...infract/ban all those that use the words Fat/thin/Blonde/Ginger/Freckles/Tubby/spotty...etc etc etc.....

 

Not sure you entirely grasp the nature of "offensive terms". Isolating a single group in a derogatory way based purely on nationality, skin tone, physical appearance, religious views, lifestyle choice or anything else is, to be brutally honest, not on.

 

Calling someone fat, thin, tall, short, Jewish, black, Indian, Australian is fine. Hell, if I could, I would wheel out a fat, black, Jewish Australian for you and call him that. The trouble starts when you use the terms with malice attached. IE "You Black bastard", "shut up you fat ******" etc.

 

Now tell me, the term "jock". Do you think Scots like that term being used, or do you think it is tinged with the latent xenophobia and superiority complex that most English people have inside them? It sure as hell aint a term of endearment. And to me, whose wife is Scottish and son is therefore half-Scottish, it is an insult I take offense to.

 

Amazingly, the Irish in me wasn't to happy with your "paddy" remark either...

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Sigh. Some people consider the terms jocks and paddys as offensive. I don't but some people do.

 

Indeed. I guess it all depends on age, background, etc.

 

Having worked on HM Ships for many years (a long time ago now) - everyone from Scotland was called 'Jock', everyone from N. Ireland 'Paddy', 'Taff' from Wales & so on. It wasn't offensive to anyone & no one ever took offence to my knowledge. Not sure if it's still the case these days? Over to you TDD!

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IMO, things have gone too far.....a girl have been out of a few dates with is a teacher and was talking about doo's and don't in todays class rooms..

 

she teaches at a nursery...I asked her do nursery rhymes still exist..?

they, do she said but IF they sing 'ba ba black sheep' it is policy that they have to sing 'ba ba white sheep'

 

I could not get into the issue without getting wound up...not that I like the rhyme..but as to why do people go so far..?

 

an asian lad at work cringes when he sees white middle class people thinking they are "doing good" with this PCness...in his opinion it creates more division....

 

My parents run 4 nurseries in Southampton and have done so for over thirty years. I can tell you now that that nursery rhymes policy is untrue. There is a song called baa baa white sheep which is sung as well as the original person (there is also a pink sheep version!). It may be a policy at a specific nursery or chain where she works but I know for a fact that it is not a national thing.

 

Sorry, what I meant to say is that almost always the children are asked what it is they would like to sing. Sometimes they say baa baa black sheep and sometimes white sheep. It is never policy that they HAVE to sing both.

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My parents run 4 nurseries in Southampton and have done so for over thirty years. I can tell you now that that nursery rhymes policy is untrue. There is a song called baa baa white sheep which is sung as well as the original person (there is also a pink sheep version!). It may be a policy at a specific nursery or chain where she works but I know for a fact that it is not a national thing.

 

well this nursery is in Torquay..unless local policies are copied nation wide then I see no reason for her to lie to me on this issue

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Indeed. I guess it all depends on age, background, etc.

 

Having worked on HM Ships for many years (a long time ago now) - everyone from Scotland was called 'Jock', everyone from N. Ireland 'Paddy', 'Taff' from Wales & so on. It wasn't offensive to anyone & no one ever took offence to my knowledge. Not sure if it's still the case these days? Over to you TDD!

 

NO...unlike the wishy washy world, we in the forces are still clinging on to names for each other...

 

I call one lad i know "big nig"...he is a black lad..

is this racist..?

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I heard the French call us 'Roast Beef' or something similar, just like we call them 'Frogs'. Does it bother me? No. Does it bother anyone? No. Is it racist? NO!

 

I don't call French people 'frogs' and I have never heard a french person call me 'ros bif'. Maybe it's the company I keep.

 

Why resort to words that have nasty insinuations through past mis-use to describe people? Why not say 'asian' 'red-headed' if that's the only way you can distinguish one person from another. Maybe limited intelligence means such people don't have more sophisticated words to describe people?

 

Why be insulting? Why say 'that fat bloke over there'? Why not say 'that bloke over there with the Portsmouth shirt on'?

 

I'd hate myself if I insulted someone - even someone that I didn't know and unintentionally.

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Indeed. I guess it all depends on age, background, etc.

 

Having worked on HM Ships for many years (a long time ago now) - everyone from Scotland was called 'Jock', everyone from N. Ireland 'Paddy', 'Taff' from Wales & so on. It wasn't offensive to anyone & no one ever took offence to my knowledge. Not sure if it's still the case these days? Over to you TDD!

 

Taffs, paddys, jocks, scouse, brummie etc. The norm and in no way seen as insulting.

 

In fact, those who take umbrage at that sort of thing are, IMHO, co**s.

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