BNP on Question Time ......

[John B]

Such a shame that there isn't a party who aren't afraid to air the good points that the BNP have without all the racist rubbish. I'd vote for them.

 

It is called the Tory Party I would have thought

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I've started to understand why the less-educated would buy into his speech about "White-English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish" being the Aborigines of the British Isles. If you strip away all of the facts that makes perfect sense.

 

Tell you what Ponty, you do find some very salient points! :smt046

[Gingeletiss]

I think the BBC have done an excellent job of showing the BNP up for what they are - well done.

 

I expect there are plenty of people watching who voted BNP who are now feeling quite embarrassed, as should the thugs who rucked with the police outside.

 

Hush your mouth.............you will surely upset the tree huggers on here;)

[Joensuu]

I thought Nick handled it quite well.

 

I'll be voting for them again.

 

Would you 'shop' a Saints fan from an ethnic minority, or is your racism and support of violence only extended to neutrals and the followers of other teams?

 

You have some serious issues

[warsash saint]

On reflection I thought it was a complete waste of time.

 

I don't for one minute agree with the BNP but to watch 99% of the audience shout down one man was not good viewing. The BBC pick the audience so why pick a biased left wing one ? Surely a few Griffin supporters would have added to the debate:smt062

 

We all know Griffin's main views BUT would have liked questions fired at him on the his views on the NHS , taxation etc etc

[StuRomseySaint]

Would you 'shop' a Saints fan from an ethnic minority, or is your racism and support of violence only extended to neutrals and the followers of other teams?

 

You have some serious issues

 

Only followers of other teams and some neutrals if they get in the way.

 

Although I think immigrants should have to pay a surcharge to watch any game at St Marys.

[Joensuu]

Far from it....I said I'll prolly vote for them, I didn't say i wanted them in Power.....

I'm not sure you understand the concept of voting! You're not mean't to put the cross against the party you don't want in power...

The drift towards a Totalitarian Welfare State needs to be stopped and none of the mainstream parties look like they have what it takes to do it on their own. That means they need a powerful 'Opposition' to get them on track.

What do you mean by 'Totalitarian Welfare State'? I can only assume you are suggesting we've moved too far towards Communism? If you haven't noticed, 'new' labour are an authoritarian centre right party.

 

Check out where Political Compass places the BNP... thats right, they're the closest party this country has to Communism (or as you put it a 'Totalitarian Welfare State'). So if you like your racist commies, why not vote BNP... (which of course makes the crass assumption that you'd be voting for the party you wanted to see in power, my bad!)

 

Britain has become a "Nation of bed wetters"....Handing out more State funded bed pans 'aint gunna fix the problem.

eh? Like that makes any sense!

[Thedelldays]

It is called the Tory Party I would have thought

 

Or UKIP

[John B]

Or UKIP

 

Same Party

[Joensuu]

Only followers of other teams and some neutrals if they get in the way.

 

Although I think immigrants should have to pay a surcharge to watch any game at St Marys.

 

Ooh a minority tax... Nice idea Stu. Can we tax people who are overweight too? How about people with awful curly hair?

 

Personally I think all racists should be publicly humilated on the pitch at half time.

[Patrick Bateman]

That show was hildarious and a bit sad. It was hilarious as Griffin was shown up to be even more of a tw*t than people thought and also not very good at answering without a script. It was also hilarious the way Bonnie Greer just calmly destroyed him, leaving him grinning like a loathsome, squirmy, little man wanting to really be stood on a 1 foot high stage (to give him some height) talking to 40 or 50 people in a room who actually agree with him, verbatim.

 

The star was definitely Bonnie Greer, she was fantastic. Also liked the other lady (sorry, didn't remember her name). Straw was average, and the lib dem totally annoymous. But Griffin ... hahahahaha ... you horrible, loathsome little man, you were shown up.

 

"I can't explain why I used to say those things".

 

Brilliant, slogan of 2009!

[John B]

That show was hildarious and a bit sad. It was hilarious as Griffin was shown up to be even more of a tw*t than people thought and also not very good at answering without a script. It was also hilarious the way Bonnie Greer just calmly destroyed him, leaving him grinning like a loathsome, squirmy, little man wanting to really be stood on a 1 foot high stage (to give him some height) talking to 40 or 50 people in a room who actually agree with him, verbatim.

 

The star was definitely Bonnie Greer, she was fantastic. Also liked the other lady (sorry, didn't remember her name). Straw was average, and the lib dem totally annoymous. But Griffin ... hahahahaha ... you horrible, loathsome little man, you were shown up.

 

"I can't explain why I used to say those things".

 

Brilliant, slogan of 2009!

 

But if you read the BBC website a lot agree with him

 

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7145&edition=1&ttl=20091023090756

[Hatch]

Massive anti climax, predictable questions, predictable answers, predicable reactions.

 

Should have been much harder hitting.

[warsash saint]

Straw was average

 

Understatement of the year....Straw & his cronies are the main reason why the BNP are gaining in popularity

[bungle]

Well, my worst fears weren't realised, in that Griffin didn't get a chance to 'look normal', by discussing non-race issues.

 

However, Question Time is hardly the greatest show for political debate, all the answers really end up being soundbites and if you are 5th to answer a question you get barely any time at all.

 

That said, for the first time a BBC presenter actually quizzed Griffin a bit more seriously. Usually he has had any easy ride. So fair play to Dimbleby for that.

[Gingeletiss]

But if you read the BBC website a lot agree with him

 

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7145&edition=1&ttl=20091023090756

 

Having surfed through that, it appears, that like me, many thought that it was a BBC set up, and a left wing plot to make Griffin look bad. That was not British fairness, that was a witch hunt.

[Joensuu]

Having surfed through that, it appears, that like me, many thought that it was a BBC set up, and a left wing plot to make Griffin look bad. That was not British fairness, that was a witch hunt.

 

You don't 'arf hear some crazy theories! Ever tried googling 'grassy knoll' and '9-11 conspiricy'?

[John B]

Having surfed through that, it appears, that like me, many thought that it was a BBC set up, and a left wing plot to make Griffin look bad. That was not British fairness, that was a witch hunt.

 

I dont really know their motives but it does seem a success for the BNP.

 

However how to address the problem of why people support the BNP is not easy as possibly unsuccessful people wish to blame someone for their position and the BNP come up with the answer it is the fault of the immigration.

 

 

The problem of immigration may have been caused by the true British as Griffin likes to call them in the 19th and 20th Century plundering large areas of Asia ans Africa and because of a perceived guilt we have let in too many immigrants.

 

 

In a time of a prosperity it is not a major problem but in a time of reccession it is.

[corky morris]

I watched all the show - as I normally do, but have to say I was left disapointed. As somebody has said earlier. It was a witch hunt. The only person to come out of it with any credit was Bonnie Greer IMHO.

I thought the tory lady was appalling. She never listened to a word any of the panelists said let alone Nick Griffin. I dont agree with the BNP on any issue with the exception of one (I would certainly consider monitoring immigration more closely would have a maximum allowable each year which takes into account those leaving), but to listen to the others trying to out point score each other was laughable.

It was also quite interesting how the BBC had Bonnie Greer sit next to him & the tories rolled out a female muslim.

The reason BNP won seats in the European elections was because politicians from all parties were & are untrustworthy & have been milking the system for years. East Lancs & Yorkshire where they won seats are riddled with racist tensions. The BNP played on that as well.

What all parties should be doing is taking a long hard look at why this has happened & show some regret for the way they have acted & show humbleness to the average voter for tolerating them for so long.

[Scudamore]

Having surfed through that, it appears, that like me, many thought that it was a BBC set up, and a left wing plot to make Griffin look bad. That was not British fairness, that was a witch hunt.

 

Twitch hunt more like. Griffin could out twitch Redknapp.

[Evil Monkey]

I thought Alan Davies made a good point in This Week after Question Time.Although Griffin was massively out numbered, it could be argued that that was a fair representation of his overall popularity amongst voters.

[Gingeletiss]

You don't 'arf hear some crazy theories! Ever tried googling 'grassy knoll' and '9-11 conspiricy'?

 

Given your political leanings, and your responses on here to other posts.....how does it not surprise me, that you come back to my 'it was a witch hunt', with the above.

 

Do you honestly feel, that was a 50/50 audience, and a 50/50 panel......if you think that was fair, then maybe, just maybe, it is you that holds sway with 9/11 conspiricy theories!!!!!!

[Thedelldays]

what was very disapointing was how he main MPs on QT and on This Week after refuse to acknowledge that it is THEIR fault that the BNP are where they are..

 

instead of hearing griffins views of the NHS, Crime etc they just trotted out his quotes that we can all see and read anyway..

[Sour Mash]

Agreed, but IMO his point about the "vicious nature" of Islam can be nullified by using the same logic.

It can be argued that the reason followers of Islam come to the West is because they disagree with the stonings, the beatings - in essence, the vicious nature he referred to. How many honour killings have there been in the UK in the last 10 years?

I'm not entirely sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if there hadn't been a single one.

 

WTF? That's not why the vast majority come to this country! No honour killings in the last 10 years :smt046

[View From The Top]

Do you honestly feel, that was a 50/50 audience,

 

Prehaps the audience represented a cross section of the voting public and therefore only 3% of them were BNP?

[John B]

Prehaps the audience represented a cross section of the voting public and therefore only 3% of them were BNP?

 

That I think is a very good point

[Scummer]

Do you honestly feel, that was a 50/50 audience, and a 50/50 panel......if you think that was fair, then maybe, just maybe, it is you that holds sway with 9/11 conspiricy theories!!!!!!

 

Only 2% of the population vote BNP, why would they be given a 50/50 panel and audience?

 

Edit: Sorry, View From The Top appears to have made the same point.

[Thedelldays]

one thing that most of the panel and audience agreed on (even those from ethnic backgrounds) that a real immigration policy needs to be formed...

 

one member of the audience made a good point when the tory lady was talking..he butted in and simply said "dont talk about it, do it"...

[Thedelldays]

Only 2% of the population vote BNP, why would they be given a 50/50 panel and audience?

I dont think it works like that on QT....other wise every week, it will always be pro labour....when it clearly is not

[Saint_clark]

Surely they should continue Question Time longer than the allotted hour on the red button?

[Saint_clark]

WTF? That's not why the vast majority come to this country! No honour killings in the last 10 years :smt046

 

I've already been proven wrong and admitted to it.

[SW11_Saint]

It's quite simple: everything is tolerated except intolerance. No law should exist unless it protects someone or something from another's excess. Question us liberals ask ourselves is how can we tolerate the intolerence of the BNP?

 

Interesting how tolerence tends to increases with education. (just as crime increases with poverty). Instead of censoring the BNP, we need to tackle the root of the problem, namely illinformed misunderstanding.

 

By all means vote for whoever you wish; if the BNP then recognise that you are voting for a party who represent everything that is wrong with this country. Nobody who is proud of the diverse heritage and hard-fought freedoms of this country would ever consider voting for racist authoritarians. How ironic you choose to brand yourself 'St George' when you so clearly stand against this country.

Well said!

[Gingeletiss]

Only 2% of the population vote BNP, why would they be given a 50/50 panel and audience?

 

Edit: Sorry, View From The Top appears to have made the same point.

 

Only 6% of the population are non-white, yet the audience last night was roughly half and half..............so which way do you want it?????

[Gingeletiss]

Oh..................snap;)

[View From The Top]

Only 6% of the population are non-white, yet the audience last night was roughly half and half..............so which way do you want it?????

 

Fair point.

[Saint_clark]

I'd imagine it's a lot easier to find Islamic people than BNP supporters.

And I always thought the people in the audience were people from universities, is that not correct?

[OldNick]

Well, my worst fears weren't realised, in that Griffin didn't get a chance to 'look normal', by discussing non-race issues.

 

However, Question Time is hardly the greatest show for political debate, all the answers really end up being soundbites and if you are 5th to answer a question you get barely any time at all.

 

That said, for the first time a BBC presenter actually quizzed Griffin a bit more seriously. Usually he has had any easy ride. So fair play to Dimbleby for that.

i was amazed that the Liberal was not pulled up for his 'blacks in the 60's' to me that was a very poor expression.

He played to the audience , doing exactly what Griffin was trying to do...but had no hope of course.

The BNP gained nothing from last night IMO, but it may just have woken up some of the mainstream politicians who now realise that the unchecked flow of people coming into the country (all colours and creeds) need to be looked at.

Asylum seekers is ok but economic migrants should be stopped and not allowed to hide behind the asylum banner. We are a lifeboat there are only so many passengers it can take, if we get swamped we all end up drowning. Selfish perhaps but do we condemn our famillies to the same misery? The strong can help the weak, but only if they remain strong.

[Thedelldays]

I've already been proven wrong and admitted to it.

considering a family (or the father of said family) is going to be convicted for killing his daughter very soon is a myth then..?

[View From The Top]

considering a family (or the father of said family) is going to be convicted for killing his daughter very soon is a myth then..?

 

He's already said he was wrong.

[Scummer]

Only 6% of the population are non-white, yet the audience last night was roughly half and half..............so which way do you want it?????

 

Over 30% in London though, which is where the programme is filmed and presumably where most of the audience live.

 

The programme wasn't about the BNP, it was about politics. It may have turned into a BNP-fest, but that isn't the aim. Therefore I'd say that having 50% of the audience as BNP supporters would be wrong.

[Thedelldays]

He's already said he was wrong.

so he did...my mistake:p

[OldNick]

Over 30% in London though, which is where the programme is filmed and presumably where most of the audience live.

 

The programme wasn't about the BNP, it was about politics. It may have turned into a BNP-fest, but that isn't the aim. Therefore I'd say that having 50% of the audience as BNP supporters would be wrong.

I agree. There was a sense that he was being attacked by a pack, even Dimbleby was not his usual impartial self.

It was also laughable when Straw had the audacity to say about using unreliable information when he was part of the wrong intelligence info before the iraq war.It did prove that griffin is no politician and unable to put over any point....there again Straw has got away with it for 30 years

[Thedelldays]

I agree. There was a sense that he was being attacked by a pack, even Dimbleby was not his usual impartial self.

It was also laughable when Straw had the audacity to say about using unreliable information when he was part of the wrong intelligence info before the iraq war.It did prove that griffin is no politician and unable to put over any point....there again Straw has got away with it for 30 years

 

 

I thought straw was terrible.. he refused to answer the valid question about being the mainstream parties fault for the rise of the BNP...

when it clearly is..

 

griffin did get him when straw was slating him for hating islam when griffin pointed out that labour have the blood of hundreds of thousands of muslims on their hands in the form of an illegal war...

[Gingeletiss]

Over 30% in London though, which is where the programme is filmed and presumably where most of the audience live.

 

The programme wasn't about the BNP, it was about politics. It may have turned into a BNP-fest, but that isn't the aim. Therefore I'd say that having 50% of the audience as BNP supporters would be wrong.

 

In which case......Question time, whilst filmed in London, is a programme for the nation, so therefore, should reflect the nation, and not just London. Which ever way you cut it, like him or not, that was an unfair attack on Griffin, and IMO, the BBC should be ashamed.

[Thedelldays]

In which case......Question time, whilst filmed in London, is a programme for the nation, so therefore, should reflect the nation, and not just London. Which ever way you cut it, like him or not, that was an unfair attack on Griffin, and IMO, the BBC should be ashamed.

the audience were specifically 'vetted' for last nights show also

[Scummer]

In which case......Question time, whilst filmed in London, is a programme for the nation, so therefore, should reflect the nation, and not just London. Which ever way you cut it, like him or not, that was an unfair attack on Griffin, and IMO, the BBC should be ashamed.

 

I guess that's why Question Time moves around the country, so that people from different areas get to attend.

[Sheaf Saint]

one thing that most of the panel and audience agreed on (even those from ethnic backgrounds) that a real immigration policy needs to be formed...

 

one member of the audience made a good point when the tory lady was talking..he butted in and simply said "dont talk about it, do it"...

 

Nice idea in principle, but the tories aren't in any position to do anything about seeing as they are not the ones in power.

 

I don't think anybody would disagree with the fact that there has been too much immigration over the last decade, but it never ceases to amaze me how poorly educated the general public are about it. The fact is that the current Labour government HAVE changed the policy onimmigration. They HAVE introduced the australian-style points-based system for economic migrants. They HAVE been working with the French authorities to reduce the number of illegals and asylum seekers crossing the channel. Jack Straw was trying hard to make these points lastnight but, alas, he isn't really the right person to get the message across. It seems that no matter how much the government try and publicise this, nobody seems to take it on board.

 

The problem, I think, is that there have been so many scare-stories, myths and downright untruths printed regarding immigration over the last few years by the right-wing political parties and media, that the government could completely close the border tomorrow and still the majority of the tabloid-reading sheeple in this country would not believe it and would continue to perpetuate the scare-mongering drivel peddled by the likes of the Daily Mail.

 

I don't think anybody with half a brain disagrees with Nick Griffin when he says that Labour's free-for-all immigration policy drastically needed to be amended, and many would argue that the measures they have taken are perhaps 'too little too late', but only a simpleton could possibly believe that a vote for the BNP is the solution.

[Thedelldays]

Nice idea in principle, but the tories aren't in any position to do anything about seeing as they are not the ones in power.

 

I don't think anybody would disagree with the fact that there has been too much immigration over the last decade, but it never ceases to amaze me how poorly educated the general public are about it. The fact is that the current Labour government HAVE changed the policy onimmigration. They HAVE introduced the australian-style points-based system for economic migrants. They HAVE been working with the French authorities to reduce the number of illegals and asylum seekers crossing the channel. Jack Straw was trying hard to make these points lastnight but, alas, he isn't really the right person to get the message across. It seems that no matter how much the government try and publicise this, nobody seems to take it on board.

.

 

as pointed out last night by people from ALL back grounds...all too late in the day..this should have been done years ago and the BNP would be nothing more than an EDL style protest....

[Gingeletiss]

Nice idea in principle, but the tories aren't in any position to do anything about seeing as they are not the ones in power.

 

I don't think anybody would disagree with the fact that there has been too much immigration over the last decade, but it never ceases to amaze me how poorly educated the general public are about it. The fact is that the current Labour government HAVE changed the policy onimmigration. They HAVE introduced the australian-style points-based system for economic migrants. They HAVE been working with the French authorities to reduce the number of illegals and asylum seekers crossing the channel. Jack Straw was trying hard to make these points lastnight but, alas, he isn't really the right person to get the message across. It seems that no matter how much the government try and publicise this, nobody seems to take it on board.

 

The problem, I think, is that there have been so many scare-stories, myths and downright untruths printed regarding immigration over the last few years by the right-wing political parties and media, that the government could completely close the border tomorrow and still the majority of the tabloid-reading sheeple in this country would not believe it and would continue to perpetuate the scare-mongering drivel peddled by the likes of the Daily Mail.

 

I don't think anybody with half a brain disagrees with Nick Griffin when he says that Labour's free-for-all immigration policy drastically needed to be amended, and many would argue that the measures they have taken are perhaps 'too little too late', but only a simpleton could possibly believe that a vote for the BNP is the solution.

 

A balanced post, most of which I agree with, then you have to use an insult, to make your point....Why???

 

The facts are.... Labour too little way too late...the horse has bolted. We are heaving at the seams, our utility companys say they are stretched to breaking point....we don't have enough housing...School places...the NHS is struggling....nearly 3 million un-employed...........

 

HELLO!!!!!!..........do we need immigrants????????

[Rattlehead]

In which case......Question time, whilst filmed in London, is a programme for the nation, so therefore, should reflect the nation, and not just London. Which ever way you cut it, like him or not, that was an unfair attack on Griffin, and IMO, the BBC should be ashamed.

 

Let's be honest though, nobody outside London has anything much to say that is worth listening to. Certainly not northerners anyway.