BNP on Question Time ......

[Johnny Bognor]

It's not his politics that makes him a c*ck.

 

 

... but surely you must concede that there are more c*cks in the bottom left quadrant than any other.

Edited 22 October, 2009 by Johnny Bognor

[bungle]

Looking forward to this like millions of others (most watched programme on tv this year ?)

 

I vote BNP for the loss our our british identity and uncontrollable immigration and all the problem that has brought.

 

Excellent. Our first self-confessed racist of the thread. What scum you are.

[RedAndWhite91]

I'm not a BNP supporter but I see no problem [Apart from the obvious]. The BNP are a political party who have two MEP's and support in the electorate and even though their policies are highly debatable they should be allowed to have their say on a BBC program which is supposed to show a non-biased and level viewpoint on politics. I hope on this platform Griffin does get ripped to shreds, but nonetheless as a political party they are entitled to appear on Question Time.

Edited 22 October, 2009 by RedAndWhite91

[Draino76]

Excellent. Our first self-confessed racist of the thread. What scum you are.

 

At least he isn't being abusive.

[John B]

I'm not a BNP supporter but I see no problem [Apart from the obvious]. The BNP are a political party who have two MEP's and support in the electorate and even though their policies are highly debatable they should be allowed to have their say on a BBC program which is supposed to show a non-biased and level viewpoint on politics. I hope on this platform Griffin does get ripped to shreds, but nonetheless as a political party they are entitled to appear on Question Time.

 

That is the line from the BBC

 

However giving publicity to the BNP apparently causes more problems with in the Asian and Caribbean communities

[John B]

At least he isn't being abusive.

 

He might not be abusive but may believe the rubbish peddled by the BNP

[RedAndWhite91]

That is the line from the BBC

 

However giving publicity to the BNP apparently causes more problems with in the Asian and Caribbean communities

 

Yeah the publicity bit is the problem, however, it could potentially go the other way, with Griffin unable to answer anything due to his apparent lack of intelligence, before going on a racist tirade because it is the only thing he can do and being booed by the audience, resulting in him being escorted off the stage for his own safety as an increasingly annoyed audience start ripping up chairs and throwing things at him. Now that would make good viewing.

[Gingeletiss]

Excellent. Our first self-confessed racist of the thread. What scum you are.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-Give-us-full-Sharia-law

 

A story from last week Mr Agresive......now ask yourself why the BNP get votes....

[View From The Top]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-Give-us-full-Sharia-law

 

A story from last week Mr Agresive......now ask yourself why the BNP get votes....

 

One, very, very, very small group run by Omar Choudry, who mainstream Mulslims openly call an idiot.

 

There are also Christian organisations that wish to install biblical law which include stoning to death for adultery.

 

Still, if you believe what you read in The Express.

[John B]

Yeah the publicity bit is the problem, however, it could potentially go the other way, with Griffin unable to answer anything due to his apparent lack of intelligence, before going on a racist tirade because it is the only thing he can do and being booed by the audience, resulting in him being escorted off the stage for his own safety as an increasingly annoyed audience start ripping up chairs and throwing things at him. Now that would make good viewing.

 

Griffin is a clever man a graduate of Cambridge University

[View From The Top]

... but surely you must concede that there are more c*cks in the bottom left quadrant than any other.

 

And all the cun*s are to the right of the perpendicular.

[bungle]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-Give-us-full-Sharia-law

 

A story from last week Mr Agresive......now ask yourself why the BNP get votes....

 

Please tell me which political party in the UK is currently supporting radical Islam.

[RedAndWhite91]

Griffin is a clever man a graduate of Cambridge University

 

Yeah, I know, I know, I was just joking - I don't honestly believe he will go on a racist tirade on his one chance to try and raise the profile of the BNP. I also don't think the audience will turn into an angry mob. Still, it's sure going to make interesting viewing tonight.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Bit obtuse for me

 

I thought Free Speech was you could say anything if it is not it is hardly free sppeech

 

A good point and one which was debated on Solent this morning. I didn't get to hear it all because of commitments but what came across was the fact that although most of the people seemed to be anti racist etc. they did defend the right of the BNP to be heard.

 

At least with them being on prime time TV they can be questioned about their policies. Something which may not, under fear of physical intimidation, be possible when in the street.

 

Again, I really hope that this programme reveals them for what they really are. Or, maybe ?, they'll surprise us and come out with something of more value than the 'half expected' racist diatribe?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Here is the latest....

 

 

 

I think that before all political threads develop, this chart should be posted, so we all know where we are coming from.

 

Considering how liberal many of the lefties are, I don't see why anyone has a problem with the BNP appearing on questiontime. Perhaps some of you lied on your surverys???????

 

I seem to have fallen off the graph! I think I was just to the left of Badger?

[solentstars]

Looking forward to this like millions of others (most watched programme on tv this year ?)

 

I vote BNP for the loss our our british identity and uncontrollable immigration and all the problem that has brought.

ha ha what a plank- so you lost your identity, howdid you do that ?,so you would put these sad crooks and thicko supporters in charge of the nations finances.

[Saintandy666]

The BNP make me sick, but you can't beat them if you don't confront them. We must as a country argue against their racist views in order to stop them gaining any more support. I think if people argue against these people with reasoned arguments most people will see sense. This is why they SHOULD be allowed on question time.

 

Another point; I am not a conservative, but I can see that their views are legitimate, even if I don't agree. The BNP's views are just fascist.

 

Oh, and anyone blaming the BBC for this is a ****. They have no choice in this.

[Johnny Bognor]

I seem to have fallen off the graph! I think I was just to the left of Badger?

 

I have started my elimination process, I thought you had been dealt with. Looks like I will have to sack the executioners. I hope they don't have a union or this could seriously delay my plans.

[rallyboy]

please don't kid yourself that a vote for the BNP is a vote for Englishness and our proud heritage, the rest of us can comfortably enjoy that still without firebombing shops or denying the holocaust.

Church fetes, cricket on the green, jumpers as goalposts, bowler hats and bicycles, it's all here still despite Griffin's poisonous rants and scaremongering by the papers.

 

A vote for the BNP is a vote in favour of racism, it's all about colour.

 

And if you're on here as a BNP supporter perhaps you might like to give a view on all the players that have proudly worn the red and white but don't have the blue eyes and fair hair of the master race.

Do we only win if white players score these days?? That was the traditional NF way of supporting teams and it's a serious point, you can't support a team with black players and vote BNP, they are conflicting views.

 

I would like to think some BNP sympathisers are open to checking a bit of history and looking beyond the laughable tabloid fairytales to find out more about Griffin and his bunch of loons, do that and don't waste your vote, you can't cherry-pick his agenda and just support the BNP on jobs or the health service, if you're voting BNP you are supporting all of his madness.

 

 

Our fathers and grandfathers fought against the last bunch with the BNP's agenda, I'm with them on this one.

[70's Mike]

Tough issue

for me the BBC have got it right, the BNP has slowly grown without the main tv channels involving them, a growth fuelled by ignorance of what they really stand for.

imo the best way to counter that ignorance is by getting the BNP out of the shadows into the spotlight and make them , by debate, expose the flaws in their policy.

The other political parties however need to address peoples fears regarding immigration by enforcing laws that already exist with respect to Illegal immigration and unfair, or perceived as unfair, practices in housing etc

[hypochondriac]

Of course they should be allowed on but I hope they are given a proper opportunity to answer questions. There was a Jeremy Kyle episode I caught once where they had a paedophile on (blacked out.) He kept trying to talk but they just kept shouting him down and calling him disgusting. It made me think that there was little point in having him on in the first place if they didn't let him speak.

 

I really hope they don't have person after person calling the BNP disgusting to raucous applause. Ask them sensible intelligent questions and let them make a rod for their own backs.

[saint_mears]

Disaster for the socialist left wing as there cannot be more than 400 there after you take out the watchers.

[.comsaint]

I watch QT most weeks & I'm looking forward to tonight's episode a little more than usual for obvious reasons. I'm not sure if Nick Griffin will say anything too extreme as he's probably going to try to keep things 'calm' - as in "hopefully I'll get invited back on". I just hope the audience isn't gonna be full of f*@kwits all trying to grab the limelight & have the camera on them by yelling at him. I can see the programme falling into a bit of a pantomime tbh...

[bungle]

I watch QT most weeks & I'm looking forward to tonight's episode a little more than usual for obvious reasons. I'm not sure if Nick Griffin will say anything too extreme as he's probably going to try to keep things 'calm' - as in "hopefully I'll get invited back on". I just hope the audience isn't gonna be full of f*@kwits all trying to grab the limelight & have the camera on them by yelling at him. I can see the programme falling into a bit of a pantomime tbh...

 

Make no mistake there will be BNP sympathisers in there applauding everything Griffin says, just as much as there will be some people shouting abuse at him at every opportunity.

 

Again, my 'concern' is that clearly not all the questions are going to be on issues that show the BNP at the racist bigots they are. The party has also taken on a 'media friendly' stance, and tones itself down in public. Their views haven't changed. They are still vile thugs, but they are much more adept at keeping that out of the public eye.

[SW11_Saint]

The BBC were left with little option. They extended invites to the Greens and UKIP when they won Euro seats. Also, the best way to tackle the BNP is to take them on head on, when they are challenged it becomes obvious they are racist, bigoted and (most importantly) total idiots.

 

However, the worrying thing about tonight is, for example, someone might ask a question about crime. And Griffin can say "Well, yes, we do have too much crime, and what we need is more police on our streets." Then everyone goes, 'Well, isn't he sensible. He's not nasty at all.' The whole show clearly isn't going to be about how racist and bigoted they are.

 

Make no mistake, Griffin IS a digusting and vile human being. But he will have been trained, and he knows he needs to look like he is a respectable person. The BBC have a poor record of actually asking him and other BNP politicians difficult questions. We will see what happens tonight.

I agree. A horrible and dangerous little man, but unfortunately democratically he should have some opportunity to air his toxic views, although only on a limited basis (ie on shows like this once in a blue moon).

 

I do worry that tonights line-up plays into his hands - nice middle class politicians from all sides which will likely enable him to play the "voice of the white working class" card. I'd have much rather seen someone like John Crudas on for Labour rather than Jack Straw, who I suspect would do better in nullifying this claim.

 

Regardless, the viewing figures will go up tonight!

[bungle]

I agree. A horrible and dangerous little man, but unfortunately democratically he should have some opportunity to air his toxic views, although only on a limited basis (ie on shows like this once in a blue moon).

 

I do worry that tonights line-up plays into his hands - nice middle class politicians from all sides which will likely enable him to play the "voice of the white working class" card. I'd have much rather seen someone like John Crudas on for Labour rather than Jack Straw, who I suspect would do better in nullifying this claim.

 

Regardless, the viewing figures will go up tonight!

 

Remember, Jack Straw has to fight against the BNP in Blackburn, so to be honest I think he will be much better than people are expecting.

[.comsaint]

Make no mistake there will be BNP sympathisers in there applauding everything Griffin says, just as much as there will be some people shouting abuse at him at every opportunity.

 

Again, my 'concern' is that clearly not all the questions are going to be on issues that show the BNP at the racist bigots they are. The party has also taken on a 'media friendly' stance, and tones itself down in public. Their views haven't changed. They are still vile thugs, but they are much more adept at keeping that out of the public eye.

 

 

 

True - and that's my point. Look out for the 'staunch, happy-clapping' from the BNP supporters in the audience. And likewise - the "ooh - look at me. Can I have the camera on me to show the watching millions that I'm the biggest anti-BNP protester in the country' brigade. Dimbleby will have his work cut-out tonight - whilst Jack Straw will send me to sleep - like he always does...

[View From The Top]

 

I do worry that tonights line-up plays into his hands - nice middle class politicians from all sides which will likely enable him to play the "voice of the white working class" card.

 

They are very good at that but as they are targeting the C2DE demographic what they say on QT is almost an irrelevance.

 

It's how they work the doorsteps on sink estates across the midlands/north/London which wins them the votes.

 

You should see how they operate in Stoke. They target areas they know they can win and are now the 2nd largest party on the council.

[solentstars]

please don't kid yourself that a vote for the BNP is a vote for Englishness and our proud heritage, the rest of us can comfortably enjoy that still without firebombing shops or denying the holocaust.

Church fetes, cricket on the green, jumpers as goalposts, bowler hats and bicycles, it's all here still despite Griffin's poisonous rants and scaremongering by the papers.

 

A vote for the BNP is a vote in favour of racism, it's all about colour.

 

And if you're on here as a BNP supporter perhaps you might like to give a view on all the players that have proudly worn the red and white but don't have the blue eyes and fair hair of the master race.

Do we only win if white players score these days?? That was the traditional NF way of supporting teams and it's a serious point, you can't support a team with black players and vote BNP, they are conflicting views.

 

I would like to think some BNP sympathisers are open to checking a bit of history and looking beyond the laughable tabloid fairytales to find out more about Griffin and his bunch of loons, do that and don't waste your vote, you can't cherry-pick his agenda and just support the BNP on jobs or the health service, if you're voting BNP you are supporting all of his madness.

 

 

Our fathers and grandfathers fought against the last bunch with the BNP's agenda, I'm with them on this one.

 

has our army generals said this week the bnp are not british ,their leaders heros are of nazi german origin,the party is full of crooks,pedo,s and lowlife .

[saint_mears]

He might not be abusive but may believe the rubbish peddled by the BNP

 

Do not need to believe anything from the BNP i can see it like thousands of others with my own eyes.

[John B]

Do not need to believe anything from the BNP i can see it like thousands of others with my own eyes.

 

So how can you support the BNP if you dont know what it stands for.

 

I have spent ten minutes reading their website and cannot really believe the slant they are putting on everything

[Fitzhugh Fella]

They should be allowed to partake purely because we are in a democracy. I'd really like them to be exposed for all their snarling, bigoted policies which they are desperately trying to conceal.

 

What I find rather insensitive is that the BBC choose to produce such a programme, with all it's intricacies and possibilities, during Black History Month

 

Also here: http://www.black-history-month.co.uk/

 

I wish a little more fuss was made of the bankrupt political system and the morally flawed politicians. If we addressed those problems perhaps the BNP would not exist. They are stepping into a vacuum created by the biggest political betrayal of modern times.

[Mao Cap]

Hopefully an hour will be long enough to back Griffin into a corner and get him to let something slip about "grinning piccaninnies", "only 100,000 people" being killed in the Holocaust, something like that.

 

It'll be a struggle though - loathsome fash c*nt he may be, but he's not a stupid man.

[Colinjb]

It's more worrying to me that the only political party that wish to promote, encourage and protect British identity and culture is one that is fundamentally racist.

 

Until another party looks to take the mantle for this then the BNP will get support, even from individuals who are not racist per sé but do feel increasingly marginalised.

[John B]

It's more worrying to me that the only political party that wish to promote, encourage and protect British identity and culture is one that is fundamentally racist.

 

Until another party looks to take the mantle for this then the BNP will get support, even from individuals who are not racist per sé but do feel increasingly marginalised.

 

The problem is that things have changed the world is 'smaller' who would have thought that a few years ago at one time our leading scorers were a Morrocan and a Latvian.

 

We eat Curry's Pizzas Pasta but still support England at International Level.

 

If we were to become little Englander's we would lose out as most of the world embraces globalisation.

 

The people you are talking about are the ones who given an opportunity for education and employment spurned it in their youth

[Thedelldays]

Excellent. Our first self-confessed racist of the thread. What scum you are.

do the BNP have more MEP seats than your party..?

[Thedelldays]

I wish a little more fuss was made of the bankrupt political system and the morally flawed politicians. If we addressed those problems perhaps the BNP would not exist. They are stepping into a vacuum created by the biggest political betrayal of modern times.

 

 

yep...agree with this..

 

it is ok for bungle to call people who want to listen or even support the BNP all the names under the sun..

 

isn't he part of the libdems..? they are one of many reasons why we are here and the BNP are on Question Time tonight.

 

if the main parties had their own houses in order then the BNP would be a bunch of loons protesting like the EDL are now

[John B]

yep...agree with this..

 

it is ok for bungle to call people who want to listen or even support the BNP all the names under the sun..

 

isn't he part of the libdems..? they are one of many reasons why we are here and the BNP are on Question Time tonight.

 

if the main parties had their own houses in order then the BNP would be a bunch of loons protesting like the EDL are now

 

I agree the BNP target the disadvantaged many of whom never tried to get an education and skill and show little initative and blame other people including immigrants for their woes.

 

I do feel that although immigration is a good thing on the whole having large areas without white faces is not a good idea.

 

 

The area around Six Dials near the stadium has always had a large Asian presence over the last forty years but as I dont live in S'Ton anymore I dont know if there are problems there.

Edited 22 October, 2009 by John B

[View From The Top]

 

If we were to become little Englander's we would lose out as most of the world embraces globalisation.

 

 

No, it doesn't.

 

It's your sort of attitude to a section of our society, as shown in your other posts, that drives them into the waiting arms of the far-right.

 

Well done for acting as a recruiter for the neo-fascists.

[Thedelldays]

I agree the BNP target the disadvantaged many of whom never tried to get an education and skill and show little initative and blame other people including immigrants for their woes.

but that is not true...the 'leaked' membership list shows they have (growing) support from a cross section of society...

 

lets be honest, the biggest pull for the BNP is probably the immigration issue...what people are worried about is that public services are stretched enough, then we hear news that in 25 years time the number of OAPs in this country will treble (or something like that) and the population of the UK will (according to imdependant reports) rise from 60m to 70m...

 

10m people in 25 years..? can this country look like it can cope..housing, public services etc etc etc....

 

we all have our own answers to that and more and more people have legitimate fears over that..and until the main parties look like they will do something to stop the flow or make us able to cope then the BNP will grow

 

calling people racist or dismissing their fears will simply help their cause

 

some of the BNP supporters are and will always be disgusting racists...but on the other hand, members of the labour party (not to sure about the others) were/are self confessed communists..who were the biggest mass murderers in history

 

 

what a sorry mess our powers at be are in

Edited 22 October, 2009 by Thedelldays

[John B]

No, it doesn't.

 

It's your sort of attitude to a section of our society, as shown in your other posts, that drives them into the waiting arms of the far-right.

 

Well done for acting as a recruiter for the neo-fascists.

 

Yes I agree with you

 

So what should be done as it is very difficult to change people's views and perceptions.

 

Sometimes it appears to me some people cannot be helped

[Colinjb]

No, it doesn't.

 

It's your sort of attitude to a section of our society, as shown in your other posts, that drives them into the waiting arms of the far-right.

 

Well done for acting as a recruiter for the neo-fascists.

 

Correct, this dismissal of national identity as something worth protecting just fuels the BNP's fire.

 

It obviously is important to large elements of the population, therefore they are getting support!

[John B]

Correct, this dismissal of national identity as something worth protecting just fuels the BNP's fire.

 

It obviously is important to large elements of the population, therefore they are getting support!

 

I dont think it is large elements of the population it maybe large elements of the population that vote in certain areas.

[Colinjb]

I dont think it is large elements of the population it maybe large elements of the population that vote in certain areas.

 

But nontheless, a large enough element to make the BBC take notice.

[John B]

But nontheless, a large enough element to make the BBC take notice.

 

Yes to increase viewing figures possibly.

 

Have you read the BNP Website it makes interesting viewing

 

Immigration Immigration Liars and Immigration come to mind

[Red&White]

yep...agree with this..

 

it is ok for bungle to call people who want to listen or even support the BNP all the names under the sun..

 

isn't he part of the libdems..? they are one of many reasons why we are here and the BNP are on Question Time tonight.

 

if the main parties had their own houses in order then the BNP would be a bunch of loons protesting like the EDL are now

 

Yep spot on !

[pilsburydoughboy]

Who else is going to be on the panel?

 

I do feel the BBC has avoided a verbal riot by choosing the other panel members.Who will really stand up to Griffin.?

[Thedelldays]

I do feel the BBC has avoided a verbal riot by choosing the other panel members.Who will really stand up to Griffin.?

george galloway wanted to be on the panel but the beeb would not go with it...

 

now that would have been a verbal tennis match

[pilsburydoughboy]

Hopefully an hour will be long enough to back Griffin into a corner and get him to let something slip about "grinning piccaninnies", "only 100,000 people" being killed in the Holocaust, something like that.

 

It'll be a struggle though - loathsome fash c*nt he may be, but he's not a stupid man.

 

Stupid man he is ,his puppet masters are not.

[pilsburydoughboy]

george galloway wanted to be on the panel but the beeb would not go with it...

 

now that would have been a verbal tennis match

 

I do worry that the only winner will be BNP tonight but most of their voting population will have switched over to "when kids do the funniest things" or "sexcetera" by then.