BNP on Question Time ......

[Wilko]

Economic growth doesn't mean we're all better off. It just indicates that we all have more stuff.

 

If only somebody could come up with a happiness index.

[Huntingdon]

Having watched the show, I'd be feeling a little uneasy if I was a Lib Dem voter

 

I thought they were shown to be pretty toothless when it comes to serious debate.

 

Everyone knows that only the Tories can stop Labour winning another term, Lib Dems will probably lose key seats, as tactical voters return to the Conservatives

 

However, the growing army of BNP supporters will start putting pressure on the Lib Dem % share

 

As much as it saddens me, the BNP are here to stay

 

We are looking at the UK's 4th major political party

[aintforever]

We are looking at the UK's 4th major political party

 

That's rubbish, they will always be a tiny party, they just benefited from a protest vote over MP's expenses and unhappiness over Labour's open door immigration policy. The Tories will obviously get in at the next election so you would hope they will have a tougher stance on immigration. If they say the right stuff they could murder the BNP vote - the vast majority who voted BNP were not racists, they were just fed up with being marginalised in their own country.

 

The BNP are like the Greens in that they are a small, mainly one issue party. The Greens looked like they would make serious inroads but he major parties just all jumped on the environment bandwagon stopping them in their tracks.

[Wiltshire Saint]

Economic growth doesn't mean we're all better off. It just indicates that we all have more stuff.

 

If only somebody could come up with a happiness index.

 

You should move to Bhutan

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4782636.stm

[Ponty]

Quick happiness test.

 

Seems a bit redundant though, one question, "Are you happy with your life?", would have done it.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/4785402.stm

[benjii]

I haven't read this thread.

 

Is the consensus that the BBC produced a dreadful programme and than Nick Griffin is a bit of a numpty?

[NickG]

thought it was quite good programme - although they did change the format to make it 5 intelligent people mocking and having sport with someone who clearly could even convince himself of his arguments and looked a bit embarrassed

[Johnny Bognor]

That's rubbish, they will always be a tiny party, they just benefited from a protest vote over MP's expenses and unhappiness over Labour's open door immigration policy. The Tories will obviously get in at the next election so you would hope they will have a tougher stance on immigration. If they say the right stuff they could murder the BNP vote - the vast majority who voted BNP were not racists, they were just fed up with being marginalised in their own country.

 

The BNP are like the Greens in that they are a small, mainly one issue party. The Greens looked like they would make serious inroads but he major parties just all jumped on the environment bandwagon stopping them in their tracks.

 

Absolutely spot on. Maggie mullered the National Front who virtually disappeared altogether. Dave will see off the BNP no problem.

[sadoldgit]

Maybe PMs should only be allowed to run for two terms and they certainly should only be able to come to power after a general election, unlike Brown and Major.

 

If a party, whilst in power, changes its leader it should automatically trigger a general election.

 

In our constitution we do not vote for a Prime Minister. We vote for a local person who belongs to a certain Party. Whichever party wins, their leader becomes Prime Minister. If he leaves after a short while a new leader is voted in by the Party and he becomes Prime Minister. Check it out next time you vote. Unless you are in Gordon Brown's constituency you will not be given a box with Gordon Brown's name next to it. If you want it your way the whole voting system would have to change. Or you could move to America I suppose.

[sadoldgit]

That's rubbish, they will always be a tiny party, they just benefited from a protest vote over MP's expenses and unhappiness over Labour's open door immigration policy. The Tories will obviously get in at the next election so you would hope they will have a tougher stance on immigration. If they say the right stuff they could murder the BNP vote - the vast majority who voted BNP were not racists, they were just fed up with being marginalised in their own country.

 

The BNP are like the Greens in that they are a small, mainly one issue party. The Greens looked like they would make serious inroads but he major parties just all jumped on the environment bandwagon stopping them in their tracks.

 

Is that like saying the vast majority of Nazis were not Fascists? Surely if you throw your hat into a certain political party's ring and give them you vote you are tacitally endorsing everything they stand for??? You might have thought that Hitler had some pretty nifty ideas about the economy but when you gave him your support you gave him a mandate for mass murder.

[Thedelldays]

I haven't read this thread.

 

Is the consensus that the BBC produced a dreadful programme and than Nick Griffin is a bit of a numpty?

I would say so

 

listening to talksport and 5live...both are pretty my saying the same things..the BBC ****ed it up a bit...turned into a bit of a griffin witch hunt and not touch on enough as to why they got as popular as they did..

 

there was one question and straw rambled on for a few mins and did not give an answer...

 

ALL the main party representitives should have had a look at themselves on the panel and each blame themselves for griffin being sat there..instead they just give 'sound bite' answers...

 

on 5live they were worried that griffin will get some sympathy, with the protesters outside acting far worse than the EDL and the way half or most of the programme was about him...

 

we all know his views, we do not need him to 'show himself up'..

 

on reflection, the BBC put out a pretty poor show

[OldNick]

I am surprised that nonbody picked up on Straw sayingthat as he was the justice minister that he would allow Griffin to break the law by coming out with his reasons for not believing the holocaust.Surely that is above his remit as its European law? There again Straw came out as very inept on the night.

[St Landrew]

I haven't read this thread.

 

Is the consensus that the BBC produced a dreadful programme and than Nick Griffin is a bit of a numpty?

 

I haven't been able to watch the entire programme yet, but I know it wasn't a bad one. There was a real sense of it being a BNP lamb-to-the-slaughter, and it is always slightly uneasy to watch an entire baying audience and panel turn on one individual, when that person is clearly out of their depth. Even David Dimbleby gave Griffin enough rope to hang himself, although he protected him from the worst that could have come his way. I can't honestly say that it will have helped the BNP in any shape, despite it giving them a nationwide platform.

 

I'll watch the remainder on the BBC iPlayer. It might end up being the most streamed and downloaded BBC programme so far.

[John B]

Absolutely spot on. Maggie mullered the National Front who virtually disappeared altogether. Dave will see off the BNP no problem.

 

Which probably means that the Tory is slightly racist?

 

However as Cameron unlike Maggie has no apparent convictions and extremely unlikely to lead the country to prosperity.

 

 

In times of prosperity fringe parties do not usually prosper

Edited 24 October, 2009 by John B

[dune]

Absolutely spot on. Maggie mullered the National Front who virtually disappeared altogether. Dave will see off the BNP no problem.

 

The BNP are here to stay because their core support is the white working classes that will never vote Tory.

 

Nick Griffin MEP is not a good politician, but the core values of the BNP do attract many people. It can only be hoped that a more credible leader emerges in the future.

[sadoldgit]

The BNP are here to stay because their core support is the white working classes that will never vote Tory.

 

Nick Griffin MEP is not a good politician, but the core values of the BNP do attract many people. It can only be hoped that a more credible leader emerges in the future.

 

How can a more credible leader make ny difference to this awful organisation and why would you hope that someone would come along and put a more respectible veneer on this bunch of Nazis????

 

Adolf went a bit too far....London has been ethnically cleansed...yay, lets bring back the gas ovens shall we?

 

The sort of people that the BNP attracts are the sort of people that helped Hilter and his cronies commit genocide. Have we leant nothing from history???

[sadoldgit]

I would say so

 

listening to talksport and 5live...both are pretty my saying the same things..the BBC ****ed it up a bit...turned into a bit of a griffin witch hunt and not touch on enough as to why they got as popular as they did..

 

there was one question and straw rambled on for a few mins and did not give an answer...

 

ALL the main party representitives should have had a look at themselves on the panel and each blame themselves for griffin being sat there..instead they just give 'sound bite' answers...

 

on 5live they were worried that griffin will get some sympathy, with the protesters outside acting far worse than the EDL and the way half or most of the programme was about him...

 

we all know his views, we do not need him to 'show himself up'..

 

on reflection, the BBC put out a pretty poor show

 

I don't agree. A lot of the people I work with knew littel about Griffin or the BNP. Now they have seen the programme they became aware very quickly of how unpleasnt this man and his policies are. He and the BNP were shown up for what they are - ignorant, dangerous racists. It may have bootsed the BNP membership by a few thousand more mindless thugs, but millions have seen him for what he is. The comment about the almost totally non violent member of the KKK was worth watching this programme for alone. Sadly some people actually buy into this stuff. Wake up, it is 2009. The world has moved on since the 30's, not that the BNP care.

[bridge too far]

I thought it was a good programme.

 

The man had demanded the oxygen of publicity. Now he squeaks because he doesn't like the way it was handed to him.

 

The man's a hypocrite and a nasty piece of work, and he showed us all exactly how vile he is.

 

I'm glad the programme was aired.

[bridge too far]

Anyone else seen this:

 

 

Apologies if it's already been posted

[spain saint]

Come on spain saint, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say

Sorry for the delay! I have only just got home from work. Right!

I did put in my post that I wasn't going to cry about it, just wanted to point out the homophobic comments that are let go on this forum all the time! You say that it is just your opinion that "you feel uncomfortable with seeing two men kissing", thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. However no hetrosexual man has the same "uncomfortable" problems with two women kissing eh! And secondly if I said " I feel uncomfortable with seeing a Black man with a white woman" I would be rightly accused of being racist! Now someone please tell me the difference.

 

One opinion you can get away with "because it's only my opinion" and the other people get slated for! You may see it as pc gone mad but thats what men said before women got the vote!

 

Gay rights for all!:partyman::wink:

[badgerx16]

I am surprised that nonbody picked up on Straw sayingthat as he was the justice minister that he would allow Griffin to break the law by coming out with his reasons for not believing the holocaust.Surely that is above his remit as its European law? There again Straw came out as very inept on the night.

I am not sure that Holocaust Denial is strictly illegal in this country, as we have opted not to implement the entire directive, ( if indeed we have implemented any of it ) :

"

European Union Directive for Combating Racism and Xenophobia (2007)

The text establishes that the following intentional conduct will be punishable in all EU Member States:

 

- Publicly inciting to violence or hatred , even by dissemination or distribution of tracts, pictures or other material, directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin. - Publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivialising - crimes of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes as defined in the Statute of the International Criminal Court (Articles 6, 7 and directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin, and - crimes defined by the Tribunal of Nuremberg (Article 6 of the Charter of the International Military Tribunal, London Agreement of 1945) directed against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, religion, descent or national or ethnic origin. Member States may choose to punish only conduct which is either carried out in a manner likely to disturb public order or which is threatening, abusive or insulting. The reference to religion is intended to cover, at least, conduct which is a pretext for directing acts against a group of persons or a member of such a group defined by reference to race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin.

Member States will ensure that these conducts are punishable by criminal penalties of a maximum of at least between 1 and 3 years of imprisonment."

 

The crucial bit for this instance is in blue. Pr1ck Griffin seemed to be more concerned with French law than British, and Straw was saying he'd fix things with any of our EU partners who might have objected.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

Edited 24 October, 2009 by badgerx16
Actually not sure we've implemented it at all.....

[Saint George]

Anyone surprised by this?.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222613/Labour-let-migrants-engineer-multicultural-UK.html

 

And

 

Oh dear, not quite as planned lol.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222586/The-BNP-backlash--MPs-accuse-BBC-playing-Nick-Griffins-hands-stage-managing-Question-Time-onslaught.html

 

 

And this should get a few hand wringers reaching for their comfy blankets.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html

 

Is the worm really turning ?

[badgerx16]

Anyone surprised by this?.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222613/Labour-let-migrants-engineer-multicultural-UK.html

 

And

 

Oh dear, not quite as planned lol.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222586/The-BNP-backlash--MPs-accuse-BBC-playing-Nick-Griffins-hands-stage-managing-Question-Time-onslaught.html

 

 

And this should get a few hand wringers reaching for their comfy blankets.....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6417906/One-in-four-would-consider-voting-BNP.html

 

Is the worm really turning ?

I wouldn't trust the Daily Mail to tell me the sun was shining, HTH !

[aintforever]

Is that like saying the vast majority of Nazis were not Fascists? Surely if you throw your hat into a certain political party's ring and give them you vote you are tacitally endorsing everything they stand for??? You might have thought that Hitler had some pretty nifty ideas about the economy but when you gave him your support you gave him a mandate for mass murder.

 

I don't think I have agreed with every policy of any party I have ever voted for. I doubt most Labour voters voted for them to invade countries in the middle east and murder thousands in the name of oil.

 

The BNP only have any support in areas of high immigrant population, for these people Labour's open door policy is obviously the main issue so saw voting BNP as the best way to get their point across.

[hypochondriac]

Sorry for the delay! I have only just got home from work. Right!

I did put in my post that I wasn't going to cry about it, just wanted to point out the homophobic comments that are let go on this forum all the time! You say that it is just your opinion that "you feel uncomfortable with seeing two men kissing", thats your opinion and you are welcome to it. However no hetrosexual man has the same "uncomfortable" problems with two women kissing eh! And secondly if I said " I feel uncomfortable with seeing a Black man with a white woman" I would be rightly accused of being racist! Now someone please tell me the difference.

 

One opinion you can get away with "because it's only my opinion" and the other people get slated for! You may see it as pc gone mad but thats what men said before women got the vote!

 

Gay rights for all!:partyman::wink:

 

IMO it isn't the same thing at all and with regards to the highlighted bit above, I would feel uncomfortable seeing two women snogging in public so please less of the stereotyping.

[Ponty]

Anyone snogging in public, straight or gay, men or women, is a bit icky IMO.

[Saint George]

This is sick, sick sick and represents one of the many things wrong with todays Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223342/Man-stabbed-death-burglar-ransacking-mothers-house-charged-murder.html

 

This, as much as anything clearly shows how far things have gone and how much ya'll need a Government with some common sense and a backbone before its too late...If its not already.

 

Just glad i got the **** out of it

[bridge too far]

This is sick, sick sick and represents one of the many things wrong with todays Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223342/Man-stabbed-death-burglar-ransacking-mothers-house-charged-murder.html

 

This, as much as anything clearly shows how far things have gone and how much ya'll need a Government with some common sense and a backbone before its too late...If its not already.

 

Just glad i got the **** out of it

 

As am I.

[rpb]

This is sick, sick sick and represents one of the many things wrong with todays Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223342/Man-stabbed-death-burglar-ransacking-mothers-house-charged-murder.html

 

This, as much as anything clearly shows how far things have gone and how much ya'll need a Government with some common sense and a backbone before its too late...If its not already.

 

Just glad i got the **** out of it

 

In America I suspect that guns would have been involved. Is that better?

[Sheaf Saint]

This is sick, sick sick and represents one of the many things wrong with todays Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223342/Man-stabbed-death-burglar-ransacking-mothers-house-charged-murder.html

 

This, as much as anything clearly shows how far things have gone and how much ya'll need a Government with some common sense and a backbone before its too late...If its not already.

 

Just glad i got the **** out of it

 

Just a couple of points....

 

1. He stabbed the guy to death. Just because the lad had broken into his mother's house, does that mean he deserved to be sumarily executed? Sounds like 'excessive force' to me, which is precisley why he has been charged.

 

2. What the buggering hell has this got to do with the BNP being on Question Time????

[NickG]

I am surprised that nonbody picked up on Straw sayingthat as he was the justice minister that he would allow Griffin to break the law by coming out with his reasons for not believing the holocaust.Surely that is above his remit as its European law? There again Straw came out as very inept on the night.

 

think he was more saying that as justice minister he knows the law and can assure him that explaining why he changed his mind on the denial would not warrant a prosecution

[hypochondriac]

Anyone snogging in public, straight or gay, men or women, is a bit icky IMO.

Yep but I feel more uncomfortable seeing two men snogging. That isn't homophobic.

[hypochondriac]

And Saint George, why are almost all your links concerning this matters sourced from the Daily Mail?

[Frank's cousin]

Problem is simply one of education:

 

1. BBC giving that ***t Griffin a platform shows all that is good about Britain - democracy in action and a society that does not supress freedo of speech no matter how ignorant and idiotic the view

 

2. Problem is those that vote for him do not appreciate that (too stupid) he is using the very democratic platform that he would in his warped little mind deny several minorities.

 

3. Imigration is a big issue, especially during times of recession, as it plays on the fears of ordinary folk and yet the main parties are too worried about perceptions amongst the vote swingers (who hold all the political power) to have an adult debate - its so NOT about race but about economics

 

4. Race - what Griffin is so ignorant of is geological time. Some make an issue out of race and nationality because they simply see things in a few generations worth of time. Homo Sapians have been around for about 2,000,000 years and all stemed from the same branch - eg we were all once teh same colour and MIGRATION into different environments led to subtle genotypic and phenotypic variation but we are still the SAME species - then add fights over land/borders be it village, region,country, politics and we crete artificial boundaries and you have the advent of nations.... whhich thankfuly many have now grown into mature civilised and educated societies.... add in teh mix of international travel and we now have this wonderful re mixing of the gene pool...give it 10,000 years or which is tiny in geological time and we will all be the same colour again as we have learned to adapt our environment to suit us as opposed to needing to adapt to the environment... so

 

5. Nick Griffin is a racist ****

[Mao Cap]

And Saint George, why are almost all your links concerning this matters sourced from the Daily Mail?

 

Yeah, at least get a couple of links from the Sun and Express in.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Problem is simply one of education:

 

1. BBC giving that ***t Griffin a platform shows all that is good about Britain - democracy in action and a society that does not supress freedo of speech no matter how ignorant and idiotic the view

 

2. Problem is those that vote for him do not appreciate that (too stupid) he is using the very democratic platform that he would in his warped little mind deny several minorities.

 

3. Imigration is a big issue, especially during times of recession, as it plays on the fears of ordinary folk and yet the main parties are too worried about perceptions amongst the vote swingers (who hold all the political power) to have an adult debate - its so NOT about race but about economics

 

4. Race - what Griffin is so ignorant of is geological time. Some make an issue out of race and nationality because they simply see things in a few generations worth of time. Homo Sapians have been around for about 2,000,000 years and all stemed from the same branch - eg we were all once teh same colour and MIGRATION into different environments led to subtle genotypic and phenotypic variation but we are still the SAME species - then add fights over land/borders be it village, region,country, politics and we crete artificial boundaries and you have the advent of nations.... whhich thankfuly many have now grown into mature civilised and educated societies.... add in teh mix of international travel and we now have this wonderful re mixing of the gene pool...give it 10,000 years or which is tiny in geological time and we will all be the same colour again as we have learned to adapt our environment to suit us as opposed to needing to adapt to the environment... so

 

5. Nick Griffin is a racist ****

 

I can't fail to agree with every point, so well made, here.

[Frank's cousin]

I can't fail to agree with every point, so well made, here.

 

If only the same could be said about my posts on the main board :-)

[Thedelldays]

If only the same could be said about my posts on the main board :-)

 

But this is the lounge... The thinking mans forum

[Frank's cousin]

But this is the lounge... The thinking mans forum

 

Do I need a special permit?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

If only the same could be said about my posts on the main board :-)

 

It would be a strange world if we agreed on every subject, all of the time.

[Ponty]

It'd be a fantastic world!

[bridge too far]

It'd be a fantastic world!

 

No it wouldn't.

[Ponty]

You're right!

[bridge too far]

You're right!

 

No I'm not

 

 

Oh......

[Frank's cousin]

It would be a strange world if we agreed on every subject, all of the time.

 

True, but Kind of glad we agree on an issue that is sadly way more important than football... Although deep down you know I am right about that to! ;-)

[JackFrost]

The whole program was little more than a 'demonise the BNP' publicity stunt. Griffin was thick enough to go along with it. He illustrated how deluded he was with his views on religion.

 

No hypochondriac, he didn't have a point on Islam. His views on Islam are as wrong and despicable as they are on immigration. That's an example of how easy it is for him to link his disgusting views with common opinions derived from misconceptions in the press, and ultimately get people agreeing with his delusions.

 

Anyone who has studied Christianity and Islam will know they are very similar religions, Christians and Muslims worship the same God for example.

 

The only major differences are firstly, what they believe about Jesus Christ. Christians believe he is the son of God whereas Muslims believe this is impossible and think that Jesus Christ was a divine prophet.

 

The only other is a cultural difference is how strictly the respective religions are applied (e.g.dress code). Islam is severely demonised in the western press, when a woman is stoned to death in a Muslim country the press associate this incident with Islam when in fact it's the actions of the despicable governments, some of which western countries openly support diplomatically (e.g. Saudi Arabia). Anyone would think there were commercial interests involved . . . . .

 

At the end of the day though Christianity and Islam are very similar religions.

 

As most of you will know, eating pork is strictly forbidden in the Koran. What some of you may not know is that it is also banned in the Bible (somewhere in Leviticus)

 

There are also 'Christian' militants in the world as well as the 'Islamic' militants we hear about (using the words loosely), the LRA in Uganda, the IRA in Ireland, groups in Papua New Guinea etc etc etc

 

Any Muslim will tell you that Bin Laden is not an "Islamic extremist", as his actions go against the core principles of Islam. Violence is strictly forbidden in the Koran. It's like a devil worshipper calling himself a Christian.

 

Unfortunately a lot of the western press are ignorant enough to use this term and it's idiots like Griffin who think everything they read in the Mail or The Sun is fact.

 

(Rant on religion over thank goodness)

 

Besides, Griffin just illustrated what a complete idiot he is in all areas. I thought that black woman (the lady from the museum ,not the Tory) did better than the other 3 put together. The BNP will continue to try and link their vile racist bigotry with common opinions people have on issues like immigration but I think the majority of British people have too much sense. That may sound complacent, but the BNP have the British press united against them and it is the press that is the most powerful force, not only in this country but the world.

 

(Need a cup of tea after that)

Edited 30 October, 2009 by JackFrost

[aintforever]

The whole program was little more than a 'demonise the BNP' publicity stunt. Griffin was thick enough to go along with it. He illustrated how deluded he was with his views on religion.

 

No hypochondriac, he didn't have a point on Islam. His views on Islam are as wrong and despicable as they are on immigration. That's an example of how easy it is for him to link his disgusting views with common opinions derived from misconceptions in the press, and ultimately get people agreeing with his delusions.

 

Anyone who has studied Christianity and Islam will know they are very similar religions, Christians and Muslims worship the same God for example.

 

The only major differences are firstly, what they believe about Jesus Christ. Christians believe he is the son of God whereas Muslims believe this is impossible and think that Jesus Christ was a divine prophet.

 

The only other is a cultural difference is how strictly the respective religions are applied (e.g.dress code). Islam is severely demonised in the western press, when a woman is stoned to death in a Muslim country the press associate this incident with Islam when in fact it's the actions of the despicable governments, some of which western countries openly support diplomatically (e.g. Saudi Arabia). Anyone would think there were commercial interests involved . . . . .

 

At the end of the day though Christianity and Islam are very similar religions.

 

As most of you will know, eating pork is strictly forbidden in the Koran. What some of you may not know is that it is also banned in the Bible (somewhere in Leviticus)

 

There are also 'Christian' militants in the world as well as the 'Islamic' militants we hear about (using the words loosely), the LRA in Uganda, the IRA in Ireland, groups in Papua New Guinea etc etc etc

 

Any Muslim will tell you that Bin Laden is not an "Islamic extremist", as his actions go against the core principles of Islam. Violence is strictly forbidden in the Koran. It's like a devil worshipper calling himself a Christian.

 

Unfortunately a lot of the western press are ignorant enough to use this term and it's idiots like Griffin who think everything they read in the Mail or The Sun is fact.

 

(Rant on religion over thank goodness)

 

Besides, Griffin just illustrated what a complete idiot he is in all areas. I thought that black woman (the lady from the museum ,not the Tory) did better than the other 3 put together. The BNP will continue to try and link their vile racist bigotry with common opinions people have on issues like immigration but I think the majority of British people have too much sense. That may sound complacent, but the BNP have the British press united against them and it is the press that is the most powerful force, not only in this country but the world.

 

(Need a cup of tea after that)

 

I can't agree with that, whilst Christianity and Islam might have similarities to say they are more or less the same is rubbish.

 

The Taliban are strictly religious, while you say they go against the rule of Islam they will say they are following it to the letter. Whilst religious extremists of any type are bad some very religious Islamic countries are completely screwed up, the more religious they are the more screwed up they are IMO.

 

Islam is openly sexist and homophobic, and just because the church is too doesn't make it any more acceptable.

 

To ay the actions of despicable governments like Saudi Arabia are not linked to Islam is nieve in the extreme.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I can't agree with that, whilst Christianity and Islam might have similarities to say they are more or less the same is rubbish.

 

The Taliban are strictly religious, while you say they go against the rule of Islam they will say they are following it to the letter. Whilst religious extremists of any type are bad some very religious Islamic countries are completely screwed up, the more religious they are the more screwed up they are IMO.

 

Islam is openly sexist and homophobic, and just because the church is too doesn't make it any more acceptable.

 

To ay the actions of despicable governments like Saudi Arabia are not linked to Islam is nieve in the extreme.

 

He never said they were more or less the same. He said they had similarities.

 

"The Taliban are strictly religious". As opposed to the Catholics, who are just messing about?

 

"Islam is openly homophobic" - you criticise Muslims for this yet do not criticise the Catholics. Why's that?

 

In fact, virtually every single word of your post is ill informed and prejudice.

 

You cannot single out Islam whilst choosing to ignore other religions, because that would constitute discrimination.

 

"for whoever is not against us is for us" (Mark 9-40).

Does that mean anyone who is not a Christian? Are the Christians putting themselves up against everyone else? rather inflammatory.

 

Why does the Christian church make a stand against pop stars and lyrics that it sees as obsence?

Why do Christians believe that AIDS is God's punishment for being gay?

 

And before anyone says that Christians don't believe that - extremist, conservative Christians do. Maybe they aren't what most Christians are like, but similarly, not all Muslims are raving nutters who wish to stone everyone in sight.

 

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2

Bloody nasty Christians

 

Genesis - Jacob's sons can't stand the idea of their sister marrying someone who is uncircumcised. (34:14)

Bloody intolerant Christians. Still, at least they're not stoning people to death eh?

 

I believe that the Swiss (b*stards that they are) didn't give women the vote until 1971. How backwards are they? Bet they're full of Muslims.

 

Anyway, I have forgotten the point I wanted to make. It was something about tolerance and not believing everything you read. It was something about recognising the good and the bad in all aspects of society and it was probably something about not being such a knob. Not that I'm calling anyone a knob, I'm not, because I don't want to be infracted. Nor do I want to be infracted for "copying and pasting" from the bible.

[JackFrost]

I can't agree with that, whilst Christianity and Islam might have similarities to say they are more or less the same is rubbish.

 

The Taliban are strictly religious, while you say they go against the rule of Islam they will say they are following it to the letter. Whilst religious extremists of any type are bad some very religious Islamic countries are completely screwed up, the more religious they are the more screwed up they are IMO.

 

Islam is openly sexist and homophobic, and just because the church is too doesn't make it any more acceptable.

 

To ay the actions of despicable governments like Saudi Arabia are not linked to Islam is nieve in the extreme.

 

There are also many Islamic countries that are less screwed up than some so called Christian countries.

 

Your saying the Taliban running Afghanistan would be as bad as say e.g. the Lord's Resistance Army running Uganda? I agree with you.

 

What I'm saying is we as the western population hardly hear about extremists who claim they are doing what they do for any religion other than Islam. This results in Islam being severely demonised to people in western countries, and people like Griffin swallowing it all and forming opinions based on pure ignorance.

 

As for your second point what I'm saying overall is, it doesn't say anywhere in the Koran "Women must be stoned to death if they commit adultery" or as Griffin likes to think "Women must be stoned to death if they are raped by a man"

[JackFrost]

He never said they were more or less the same. He said they had similarities.

 

"The Taliban are strictly religious". As opposed to the Catholics, who are just messing about?

 

"Islam is openly homophobic" - you criticise Muslims for this yet do not criticise the Catholics. Why's that?

 

In fact, virtually every single word of your post is ill informed and prejudice.

 

You cannot single out Islam whilst choosing to ignore other religions, because that would constitute discrimination.

 

"for whoever is not against us is for us" (Mark 9-40).

Does that mean anyone who is not a Christian? Are the Christians putting themselves up against everyone else? rather inflammatory.

 

Why does the Christian church make a stand against pop stars and lyrics that it sees as obsence?

Why do Christians believe that AIDS is God's punishment for being gay?

 

And before anyone says that Christians don't believe that - extremist, conservative Christians do. Maybe they aren't what most Christians are like, but similarly, not all Muslims are raving nutters who wish to stone everyone in sight.

 

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you may nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2

Bloody nasty Christians

 

Genesis - Jacob's sons can't stand the idea of their sister marrying someone who is uncircumcised. (34:14)

Bloody intolerant Christians. Still, at least they're not stoning people to death eh?

 

I believe that the Swiss (b*stards that they are) didn't give women the vote until 1971. How backwards are they? Bet they're full of Muslims.

 

Anyway, I have forgotten the point I wanted to make. It was something about tolerance and not believing everything you read. It was something about recognising the good and the bad in all aspects of society and it was probably something about not being such a knob. Not that I'm calling anyone a knob, I'm not, because I don't want to be infracted. Nor do I want to be infracted for "copying and pasting" from the bible.

 

Totally agree with the top half of your post. There are plenty of Christian verses that could be twisted and grossly misrepresented in the press like plenty of Koran verses have

 

If Christianity was represented in the press like Islam currently is, there'd be a lot of churches coming under attack.

Edited 30 October, 2009 by JackFrost