badgerx16 Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 1) Should they be invited to participate, as a 'legitimate' political party involved in the democratic process ? 2) Should 'public opinion' or political point scorers, ( such as Dianne Abbott on the Breakfast News ), sway the BBC's position, or are the BBC just being controversial for the sake of it ? 3) Does anybody really care ? 4) Will this thread just degenerate into name calling - "loonie lefties" vs "racist bigots " ? Lights the fuse and stands back....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 It'll do wonders for the Question Time viewing figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 (edited) In a true democracy, every elected individual should have the same rights and access to media, let alone Question Time. This way, we the electorate, can decide who to vote for in elections. Hopefully we have the intelligence to see through those who we feel may do us harm. To start banning certain parties/individuals from having their say, goes down a very dangerous path. Ren & Stimpy for President Edited 22 October, 2009 by RonManager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We should allow free speech. Except when it makes people uncomfortable. Of course people expecting Nick Griffin to frogmarch out in a Nazi uniform may be a little surprised i'd suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 He should be allowed on but the whole thing will desend into farce. the majority of the crowd shouting Griffin down, the elemant of fascist thugs, opps, BNP supporters applauding everything he says. it should make for good tv but its a pretty sorry state of affairs. I agree with the beeb on this, its not up to them to censor political parties as they should be impartial. will this lead to an increase in support for the nazi party, sorry, BNP? we'll see. 4) on my yes, just counting the seconds till the far-right apologists in the military to start bleeting on immigration what's your reaction to Mike Jackson's slaiting of the BNP for using military iconography and how he sincerely hopes there are no BNP supporters in the military? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 The bloke is a nob but as almost a million people voted for his party he has every right to voice an opinion. If anyone has a problem with that, they don't have to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 The BBC were left with little option. They extended invites to the Greens and UKIP when they won Euro seats. Also, the best way to tackle the BNP is to take them on head on, when they are challenged it becomes obvious they are racist, bigoted and (most importantly) total idiots. However, the worrying thing about tonight is, for example, someone might ask a question about crime. And Griffin can say "Well, yes, we do have too much crime, and what we need is more police on our streets." Then everyone goes, 'Well, isn't he sensible. He's not nasty at all.' The whole show clearly isn't going to be about how racist and bigoted they are. Make no mistake, Griffin IS a digusting and vile human being. But he will have been trained, and he knows he needs to look like he is a respectable person. The BBC have a poor record of actually asking him and other BNP politicians difficult questions. We will see what happens tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 In a true democracy, every elected individual should have the same rights and access to media, let alone Question Time. This way, we the electorate, can decide who to vote for in elections. Hopefully we have the intelligence to see through those who we feel may do us harm. To start banning certain parties/individuals from having their say, goes down a very dangerous path. Ren & Stimpy for President I presume when you say "the same rights and access" you mean that there should be some kind of ad-hoc weighting applied? I agree that a ban would be inappropriate - free speech isn't just for people with whom we agree. On the other hand, this isn't going to happen in a vacuum, like some physics experiment - Ken Livingstone (I know, I know) reckons that you will see a rise in actual racist attacks by idiots who see Griffin's appearance on telly as some kind of vindication/encouragement. It's complicated... but as it's going to happen, I hope they give him enough rope, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 They've elected councillors and MEPs so they are as entitled as UKIP for example. Pretending that they haven't got a mandate from the electorate is playing into their hands. They've made great play off speaking up for the "ordinary" working classes and if the mainstream ignore them they will just say, to that demographic, "You see, only we care, they don't" and that will harden their support. It should also be remembered that just under 66% of their vote comes from males in the C2DE strata so they're not too sharp to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 It's like wrestling a pig. No-one wins, everyone gets covered in sh*t and the pig enjoys it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 I'm looking forward to it. Whenever I've seen anyone from the BNP interviewed they always start well but eventually can't help themselves and let slip their true colours, by talking about abhorrent ideas like "look tests" and socialism. I was hoping that the final guest panellist would be some raging libertarian who would mention that unlimited immigration is the way forward and then we could watch Griffin's head explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 What is C2DE, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 When's it on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie saint Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 what's your reaction to Mike Jackson's slaiting of the BNP for using military iconography and how he sincerely hopes there are no BNP supporters in the military? Hoping there aren't and knowing there aren't are two different things. I'd say (at a guess) that you'd find BNP supporters in the military at similar proportions to the whole of society. I'm sure Mike Jackson has also figured this out. Luckily we live in a place where they don't actually ask people to declare their political sympathies when they apply for jobs as soldiers. Does anyone remember *that* BNP leaflet, by the way? The Spitfire they showed was from a Polish squadron. Naughty graphic designer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Hoping there aren't and knowing there aren't are two different things. I'd say (at a guess) that you'd find BNP supporters in the military at similar proportions to the whole of society. I'm sure Mike Jackson has also figured this out. Luckily we live in a place where they don't actually ask people to declare their political sympathies when they apply for jobs as soldiers. Does anyone remember *that* BNP leaflet, by the way? The Spitfire they showed was from a Polish squadron. Naughty graphic designer! Kind of similar to something I read - On their adverts/leaflets they went on about British jobs and stuff, with pictures of builders... It turned out the people that were used in the photos were actually immigrants from Poland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 They should be allowed to partake purely because we are in a democracy. I'd really like them to be exposed for all their snarling, bigoted policies which they are desperately trying to conceal. What I find rather insensitive is that the BBC choose to produce such a programme, with all it's intricacies and possibilities, during Black History Month Also here: http://www.black-history-month.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Democracy. Free speech. We may not like it, but it's part of the freedom we enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 What is C2DE, please? Social economic groups. National Readership Survey (NRS) demographic categories Social Grade Social Status Occupation A upper middle class higher managerial, administrative or professional B middle class intermediate managerial, administrative or professional C1 lower middle class supervisory or clerical, junior managerial, administrative or professional C2 skilled working class skilled manual workers D working class semi and unskilled manual workers E those at lowest level of subsistence state pensioners or widows (no other earner), casual or lowest grade workers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We can have as much sensible discussion as we like about it, Only the ****ing stupid will vote BNP anyway , and all that will just be based on hearing a few soundbites, not the underlying facts. In fact, he is more likely to get extra votes by appearing on jeremy Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Is there any point to this thread..........it will be a very one sided debate IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Who else is going to be on the panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 They should be allowed to partake purely because we are in a democracy. I'd really like them to be exposed for all their snarling, bigoted policies which they are desperately trying to conceal. What I find rather insensitive is that the BBC choose to produce such a programme, with all it's intricacies and possibilities, during Black History Month Also here: http://www.black-history-month.co.uk/ Agreed with all of the above. But just to take your point about the BBC's timing; the Beeb are all about balance, and it's possible that they would see an appearance by Nick Griffin as a balance to the attention put to Black history month. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We can have as much sensible discussion as we like about it, Only the ****ing stupid will vote BNP anyway , and all that will just be based on hearing a few soundbites, not the underlying facts. In fact, he is more likely to get extra votes by appearing on jeremy Kyle. I don't think thats true Hatch. The leaked membership list suggested that their support is across a much broader spectrum of society than we all thought. A democracy means they should be heard, or least allowed to speak, but I hope that Griffin drops a clanger and they can be seen for what they are. My worry is he will put on a polished performance, dance around the core values of the party, without being too confrontational and be credible on generalist issues. I think you are right about not gaining many votes, but that is not their issue or concern at the moment, it's about being seen as normal / credible and if enough people watch and think, "He seems alright", then they will see it as a success. I'm really not sure that it's good thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Who else is going to be on the panel? Jack (man of) Straw, amongst others. I believe it's Jaquie Smith next week too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Is there any point to this thread..........it will be a very one sided debate IMHO... LOL, how did you knock that up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Anyone see Jarvis ****er on it? That was kind of pointless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 LOL, how did you knock that up? We all did a test on another thread and Johnny Bognor cobbled that together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We all did a test on another thread and Johnny Bognor cobbled that together. I missed out. Nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Democracy. Free speech. We may not like it, but it's part of the freedom we enjoy. Rubbish if I called you a XXXX you would ban me from the forum. Although I totally agree with you sentiments I dont believe that anybody in a responsible position has the right to say anything they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Who else is going to be on the panel? Jack Straw, Baroness (Sayeeda) Warsi, Chris Huhne, Bonnie Greer (US-born playright). http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/8315226.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Rubbish if I called you a XXXX you would ban me from the forum. Although I totally agree with you sentiments I dont believe that anybody in a responsible position has the right to say anything they want They dont, they have a right to say anything that is lawful. In the forum life analogy, "anything lawful" can be linked to "within the rules" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Rubbish if I called you a XXXX you would ban me from the forum. Although I totally agree with you sentiments I dont believe that anybody in a responsible position has the right to say anything they want Ah, but "Free Speech" is not part of the rules you sign up to when you join this forum. It is when you become a citizen of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Much as I despise the BNP for what it stands for, I think the BBC have got a point. I really hope the show doesn't descend into a slanging match. However I do think that some serious questions need to be put to him on various topics so that we can see that there is no depth their party policies. However as Bungle mentioned hopefully people will keep questioning on how the would do things rather than accept the simple answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 They dont, they have a right to say anything that is lawful. In the forum life analogy, "anything lawful" can be linked to "within the rules" Bit obtuse for me I thought Free Speech was you could say anything if it is not it is hardly free sppeech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 (edited) Is there any point to this thread..........it will be a very one sided debate IMHO... Indeed..... http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright I missed out. Nuts. Not too late.... Take the survey at.... http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Then post your result on the Tories thread and I'll add you to the map (providing that you are not a liberal lefty - not that has anything to do with my politics, more to do with the fact that there isn't much space left) Edited 22 October, 2009 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We don't have free speech in this country. You have no right to incite ratial hatred, or use language that is likely to lead to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 We don't have free speech in this country. You have no right to incite ratial hatred, or use language that is likely to lead to violence. You looking at my bird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 You callin' my pint a whore? I think we do have free speech, but there are consequences. I could walk into Bungle's train compartment on the way to a Saints game and shout 'Bungle is a ****', but there would be consequences - A) He'd probably slap me, either verbally or physically. B) I'd be thrown of the train at Dilton Marsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany S Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Will be interesting and hopefully highly amusing seeing how Griffin conducts himself in the company of a noted black playwright and a British born Pakistani Muslim Community Cohesion spokesperson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 22 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 October, 2009 What I find rather insensitive is that the BBC choose to produce such a programme, with all it's intricacies and possibilities, during Black History Month Also here: http://www.black-history-month.co.uk/ What would be the reaction if somebody announced 'White History Month' ? When will we realise that categorising us by our differences only reinforces the sterotypical tribalism that leads to such as the BNP getting elected ? If you go in for a kidney transplant they decide on a donor by blood group typing, not the melanin content of the donor's skin. There is only one 'race', the Human Race. ( Ooops, there goes my liberal loony leftie streak again ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 I'll certainly be watching tonight, I usually only watch every now and then. It'll be interesting to see how Griffin handles the inevitably aggressive questions towards him, and to see the rest of the panel striving to put him down at every opportunity (because face it, that's how they're going to win popularity in this situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Not too late.... Take the survey at.... http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Then post your result on the Tories thread and I'll add you to the map (providing that you are not a liberal lefty - not that has anything to do with my politics, more to do with the fact that there isn't much space left) Good grief...i'm a lefty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Indeed..... http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright Not too late.... Take the survey at.... http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Then post your result on the Tories thread and I'll add you to the map (providing that you are not a liberal lefty - not that has anything to do with my politics, more to do with the fact that there isn't much space left) i was put between delldays and rattlehead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Here is the latest.... I think that before all political threads develop, this chart should be posted, so we all know where we are coming from. Considering how liberal many of the lefties are, I don't see why anyone has a problem with the BNP appearing on questiontime. Perhaps some of you lied on your surverys??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Do we have to have two threads dedicated to the f*cking boring graph that no-one with any sense would take seriously in the first f*cking place. Dullards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Do we have to have two threads dedicated to the f*cking boring graph that no-one with any sense would take seriously in the first f*cking place. Dullards. I think it's fairly accurate, where you're concerned. Pray tell Bungle, why is it, that every post you disagree with, you end up posting a line of abuse.......you need to take some happy pills mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 I think it's fairly accurate, where you're concerned. Pray tell Bungle, why is it, that every post you disagree with, you end up posting a line of abuse.......you need to take some happy pills mate. Who cares whether or not the damn spot might be in the right place, you graph loving dullard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Do we have to have two threads dedicated to the f*cking boring graph that no-one with any sense would take seriously in the first f*cking place. Dullards. That is precisely the reponse I would expect from someone who is a more than moderate leftie liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 That is precisely the reponse I would expect from someone who is a more than moderate leftie liberal. It's not his politics that makes him a c*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 22 October, 2009 Share Posted 22 October, 2009 Looking forward to this like millions of others (most watched programme on tv this year ?) I vote BNP for the loss our our british identity and uncontrollable immigration and all the problem that has brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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