Doctoroncall Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I'm sure they have a good case for defence if there was plenty of goading going on, afterall, there is a precedent: $tevie Mbe gets off after punching someone three times because he thought the other guy intended to hit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 There was just a report on BBC south today news about an increase in attacks on Home supporters when Saints visit. There were pictures of wanted people, but cant find a link. I think any real saints fan: a) woudn't do such a thing b) should tell the authorities if they know who is doing it We have had enough problems in the near past, without being put in the bracket of being a team with hooligans as fans. Every team, big or small has a hooligan element. This myth of "a family" club is just that...a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 1. The numbers were even... 2 of them didn't run and were caught. 2. Where does it say about being kicked in the head? The fact it doesnt mention that in the report suggests they were 'body blows' Mate I was walking down the road at the time (see the original thread), though I couldn't possibly identify fathead Shaun Ryder A from fathead Shaun Ryder B among the ruckus. Clear as day one yeovil fan had his head repeatedly stamped on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 The approach is wrong. The story seems to revolve around some fans causing trouble which provoked (an imcorrect) reaction. The issue should be to stop the Away fans doing this. To do that the facts need to be understood , so there seems to be many witnesses. Unfortunately the UK legal system doesn't work properly so this is about "statistics" It has to be followed through, it may have been "gobby Yeovil fans" this time but next time it may be another Man U fan style accident/tragedy Grassing out the fans as it is put on here isn't the answer, telling what happened so that the local cops go chase the Somerset cops and get the ones that caused this.. Which is of course total balls as it is blighty not dreamland, so never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 From what I heard, it was not a mismatch of numbers... it was even, but most of them run, and 2 brave souls kept coming back for more. Seems to me StuRomseySaint that you are exactly the type of person that the police want to hear from. You 'heard' and you have "hear(sic) witness accounts' so presumably you know people that at the very least saw what was going on. Go on. Do the right thing. You never know you might get as much pleasure from wearing your sticky "I helped stop a crime" badge as you do wearing your "I'm a bit football factory, me." badge on here. Perhaps someone on this forum will inform the police that you could help them. Not me. I believe in the "what is said on the forum stays on the forum" credo. I'm not a legal expert but I wonder if it will give the forum administrators a little legal heartburn that you apparently know people that could help police with enquiries into a serious assault but are choosing not to give information to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 sure plenty off us would walk on by if the incident was on a fair footing ie, both sides giving as good as they were getting, however when a guy is flat out on the ground and then gets stamped on then thats gone beyond the limit If you can identify the guys in the pictures then do it, they want to question them, who knows they maybe witnesses!!!! I want to be able to walk to and from a football ground with my daughters and not feel that I'm going to get caught up in the over spill of thuggish egos as happened at the Yeovil game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 1. The numbers were even... 2 of them didn't run and were caught. 2. Where does it say about being kicked in the head? So the numbers became uneven then, right ? "Repeatedly kicked and stamped on" about the body ? , yeah right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Ooooh, get you Einstein! I bet you have a perfectly clean driving licence too? I do as it happens. I also drive an Audi RS4 but have the brain to know when to drive slow and when to drive quick. I also know that kicking a man when he's down is not only cowardly but it's also bloody stupid as eventually you end up in the sh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 The approach is wrong. The story seems to revolve around some fans causing trouble which provoked (an imcorrect) reaction. The issue should be to stop the Away fans doing this. To do that the facts need to be understood , so there seems to be many witnesses. Unfortunately the UK legal system doesn't work properly so this is about "statistics" It has to be followed through, it may have been "gobby Yeovil fans" this time but next time it may be another Man U fan style accident/tragedy Grassing out the fans as it is put on here isn't the answer, telling what happened so that the local cops go chase the Somerset cops and get the ones that caused this.. Which is of course total balls as it is blighty not dreamland, so never mind And invariably, this clumsy, seen-to-be-doing-something approach by the police and media is giving the incident more publicity than it deserves and is sowing the seeds for a reaction when we go to their place - all of which increases the risk that bystanders will get caught up and taxpayers will foot a bigger bill for the increased police presence...christ I love this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I also know that kicking a man when he's down is not only cowardly but it's also bloody stupid as eventually you end up in the sh1t. That's the crux of it. That there was a fight? Meh. That someone, sparked out was kicked whilst down? C***s trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Seems to me StuRomseySaint that you are exactly the type of person that the police want to hear from. You 'heard' and you have "hear(sic) witness accounts' so presumably you know people that at the very least saw what was going on. Go on. Do the right thing. You never know you might get as much pleasure from wearing your sticky "I helped stop a crime" badge as you do wearing your "I'm a bit football factory, me." badge on here. Perhaps someone on this forum will inform the police that you could help them. Not me. I believe in the "what is said on the forum stays on the forum" credo. I'm not a legal expert but I wonder if it will give the forum administrators a little legal heartburn that you apparently know people that could help police with enquiries into a serious assault but are choosing not to give information to the police. Funnily enough I think you will find that the police will read this thread... Saintsweb is not a secret ghetto, infact it is one of their biggest intelligence tools. I don't think they will be interested in someone who heard from a couple of passer-bys what was happening, do you? Also, fao der polizei - I know nothing. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Funnily enough I think you will find that the police will read this thread... Saintsweb is not a secret ghetto, infact it is one of their biggest intelligence tools. I don't think they will be interested in someone who heard from a couple of passer-bys what was happening, do you? Also, fao der polizei - I know nothing. xx All depends on whether the copper who can read is on duty!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 4 middle aged Yeovil fans, minding their own business, were having a drink when they were attacked by a bunch of Saints fans who weren't kids themselves. It was all a bit spasmodic - the Yeovil fans climbed over the railings to get away but one got caught and was getting a kicking. Two coppers were in the vicinity but they froze and were very pathetically slow or even reluctant to intervene. From what I heard, it was not a mismatch of numbers... it was even, but most of them run, and 2 brave souls kept coming back for more. Think I know which of these witnesses I trust more. Violence is never right. The concept of 'grassing' is stupid. I don't want to live near a thug, whichever team he/she supports. If anyone recognises the thug in the picture, call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111 SRS - your views on violence and the law are disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfc Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I've noticed an increase in retarded yobs going to our home and away games in the last couple of seasons. Shop em, lock em up and keep them away from our club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "They're not real football fans" This old line does make me laugh. Who's to say whether they're real fans or not? What i will say is they're grown men that should probably grow the f::ck up... Pwoper nawtee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadiz saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 "They're not real football fans" This old line does make me laugh. Who's to say whether they're real fans or not? What i will say is they're grown men that should probably grow the f::ck up... Pwoper nawtee... I agree but unfortunatly they don't seem to be grown men at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. Pathetic childish playground remark that, you should grow up pal, these cowardly w@nkers who hunt in packs need banning from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Funnily enough I think you will find that the police will read this thread... Saintsweb is not a secret ghetto, infact it is one of their biggest intelligence tools. I don't think they will be interested in someone who heard from a couple of passer-bys what was happening, do you? Also, fao der polizei - I know nothing. xx Got it. So just to confirm the basis of your vehement defence of this incident was the store you placed in the evidence of some passers-by that you now apparently don't know and I'm guessing wouldn't recognise again from Adam. Come on StuRomseySaint. You can't have it both ways. You either heard this and put stay in the 'witness' reports or you have no real clue about this at all. Perhaps you could at the least call Crime Stoppers and offer a description of the passers-by. You never know it might help. In the mean time I guess we should all re-read everything you've written on this thread, repeating to ourselves StuRomseySaint doesn't know for certain that things happened the way he says. Thanks for taking part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 It is not an opinion, it is a code of conduct that ought to be followed by any sensible, intelligent citizen that wishes to live in a well-ordered and civilised society. If caught, those so-called fans, (who I would prefer to call yobs) will get everything they deserve. If they end up in the nick, lose their jobs and are banned from football, it bloody well serves them right. If banned, we'll be well rid of them too. I have never had a fight in a pub, but the way that you speak, I feel sure that you have. With luck, these people who you are attempting to defend, are actually not really proper Saints fans, but are using us as an excuse for a punch-up. There seems to be a growing trend towards this currently and it needs to be nipped in the bud before it spreads. I would have not the slightest qualms about "shopping" anybody who acts in this way. They certainly wouldn't be friends of mine, so quite why I should have any sympathy or compassion for them just because they might be wearing a Saints shirt is beyond me. I think there is a difference between the yobs you and I are thinking about and the people who stick up for themselves Stu is trying to suggest are involved. I dont go looking for fights and never have. I can do enough to get myself out of trouble should it appear but would rather get out of the way than get involved. If I get started on at a footy match or anywhere else and manage to drop someone then I think the Police should treat that accordingly and I should get no more than a slap on the wrist and leave it at that. If on the other hand I go out looking for a scrap and regularly find one then the Police should treat me as a yob that should be directed away from areas that normal law obiding people and familys like to attend. The 1st example I would expect most saints fans to not grass me up as I myself would be happy to go to the Police to state what happened. The 2nd example I think any real fan would want to disassociate there club, friends and familys from so should point them out to the Police and let them be delt with in the right way. As someone else has said. I wouldnt want to be on the end of a revenge attack just because I am walking through Yoville or anywhere else in my saints shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. Dear me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I've little sympathy for the Yeovil fans that went looking for trouble and found it. I do, however, believe only a class 1 c*** would kick a man when he's down. My sentiments exactly Unfortunately, If you go looking, it will come to you - i would never, ever condone it but we all know that some 'fans' do, how they feel they can best represent the club/city - football is by its very nature is tribal. However, the idea of kicking/stamping or continuing to attack someone that is prone, is disgraceful, sickening and cowardly. Unfortunately, this is not just a football phenomenon, this type of cowardly behaivour occurs all the time, all over the country. I would never report someone to the police for protecting themselves or family with violence if they were threatened, but if i knew any of the people involved in a savage group assault over a petty squabble, they would be locked up in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think there is a difference between the yobs you and I are thinking about and the people who stick up for themselves Stu is trying to suggest are involved. I dont go looking for fights and never have. I can do enough to get myself out of trouble should it appear but would rather get out of the way than get involved. If I get started on at a footy match or anywhere else and manage to drop someone then I think the Police should treat that accordingly and I should get no more than a slap on the wrist and leave it at that. If on the other hand I go out looking for a scrap and regularly find one then the Police should treat me as a yob that should be directed away from areas that normal law obiding people and familys like to attend. The 1st example I would expect most saints fans to not grass me up as I myself would be happy to go to the Police to state what happened. The 2nd example I think any real fan would want to disassociate there club, friends and familys from so should point them out to the Police and let them be delt with in the right way. As someone else has said. I wouldnt want to be on the end of a revenge attack just because I am walking through Yoville or anywhere else in my saints shirt. I agree but you're more likely to find yourself in the first example when you're away from home and/or playing a club with a reputation. By contrast, its very unlikely that a bunch of country bumpkins are going to start something on your patch that justifies the reaction some here are defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I was also about 20 yards or so behind the incidents that took place. This incident was completely avoidable. I could see the scuffle at the Alfred and there were a couple of police there to stop it kicking off. Rather than getting the Yeovil yobs out of the area, the police decided to leave them to walk off on their own - they continued to shout abuse as they walked off and were subsequently followed by some Saints yobs. The police decided to leave them to it for some reason! Before it all kicked off near the traffic lights, a police riot van drove straight past what was now a reasonably large group mouthing off to each other. Me and my mate couldn't believe it and less than a minute later it turned into a punch up. Now the police want us to their job for them because they couldn't be bothered on the day. I have noticed that whenever teams like Cardiff or Burnley are in town, the police are nowhere to be seen. I don't know how much Saints pay for policing but they are not getting their moneys worth. I can understand witnesses not wanting to get involved as I don't trust them not to hand out banning orders to people merely in the vicinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I love the way people use the term 'grass' to try and make them seem like some sort of super villain. 'I knew the Krays, never hurt their own, always kind to grannies, blah blah blah.....bull****.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. Let's not start this one again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I'll be up front and admit to being your average wimp, avoiding trouble whenever possible and so far through 46 years managing pretty well. It takes a real man to admit such things! I'm the same, I hate violence and have easily avoided getting involved with fights, be it at games or on drunken nights out, since primary school. (Well, apart from the Alan Knight testimonial when I was saved by a truncheon welding copper). I think it takes a degree of aggrogance and a lack of empathy to feel the need to dish out a slapping on a night out, and as you say, much of this is just talk from those who still yearn for playground rule but are closet-pussies. Sure, there are prize d1cks in life who genuinely need someone to punch their lights out occasionally (like the entire EDL), but I've never come across one yet. You really are a retarded throwback to a darker time, I hope you were one of those involved so that you can get caught and receive a lifetime ban from Saint Marys. This mentality of looking at footy violence of the 60s/70s/80s through rose-tinted specs is truly worrying. I used to be proud of Saints' reputation of a family club, but hard times have definitely brought the wrong uns to the fore. And in this case I say shop the thugs in, if they love fighting that much then they'll have a great time in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Yeah let's start a glamorous grudge vendetta against the mighty Yeovil firm that leaves all travelling Saints in danger when they go there, perhaps someone here would like to launch a cowardly gang assault on outnumbered Leeds and Millwall fans and then lead the travelling support to those grounds? Orderly queue please, gobby extremists who are slow-of-thought and frightened of talking to ladies, first.... We have a great new owner, a fantastic structure building, the team is gelling, the results are coming, lets not repay the faith of our new owners by behaving like a bunch of inbred ****s - that Hampshire vacancy has already been filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Stu has a hook with a worm and is successfully catching his fish. Just one thing to say to people on here, stop rising to the bait. Stu is Stu, he's controversial and is successfully getting the reaction he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 No surprise that the operation to arrest people is called 'Operation Statistic' Hmmmm, I wonder why? Oh the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Well people are allowed their opinions, mine is not to grass on a Saints fan who gave a couple of gobby Yeovil fans a slap... These Saints fans could be looking at jail if convicted as I am pretty sure everyone will agree that a few months in prison, loss of job and banned from football for 3 years is pretty harsh for dishing out a slap to someone on the way home from football. No different to having a fight in a pub, I am sure many of you model citizens have done it before... difference is the punishments are massively different. Once again, don't grass on Saints fans. I saw some people in the pub on Saturday dressed all on Burberry and other chav like gear (you know, top buttons done up, dodgy hair cuts, travel in a huge male only family), they later got kicked out and I assumed one of them must have been you stu given the state of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I saw some people in the pub on Saturday dressed all on Burberry and other chav like gear (you know, top buttons done up, dodgy hair cuts, travel in a huge male only family), they later got kicked out and I assumed one of them must have been you stu given the state of them I am the best dressed lad in Southampton thankyou very much. I am having half a season off the football actually, so it wasnt me, although I do need a haircut. By the way, Burberry is sooooo like out of fashion, get with it... tsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 We have a great new owner, a fantastic structure building, the team is gelling, the results are coming, lets not repay the faith of our new owners by behaving like a bunch of inbred ****s - that Hampshire vacancy has already been filled. In all seriousness, you can imagine its the kind of thing that might trouble a deeply religious man like our mighty owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch-Saint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I've little sympathy for the Yeovil fans that went looking for trouble and found it. I do, however, believe only a class 1 c*** would kick a man when he's down. Completely agree to that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 In all seriousness, you can imagine its the kind of thing that might trouble a deeply religious man like our mighty owner. Yes, I can imagine he is now ready to sell the club due to 0.04% of our fanbase being involved in a fight after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 From what I heard, it was not a mismatch of numbers... it was even, but most of them run, and 2 brave souls kept coming back for more. So, if they'd been in uniform they'd have got a medal. Funny old world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I am the best dressed lad in Southampton thankyou very much. You can't be, because I am!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 You can't be, because I am!! I heard you are like the Ian Poulter of the Football Casual world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I was also about 20 yards or so behind the incidents that took place. This incident was completely avoidable. I could see the scuffle at the Alfred and there were a couple of police there to stop it kicking off. Rather than getting the Yeovil yobs out of the area, the police decided to leave them to walk off on their own - they continued to shout abuse as they walked off and were subsequently followed by some Saints yobs. The police decided to leave them to it for some reason! Before it all kicked off near the traffic lights, a police riot van drove straight past what was now a reasonably large group mouthing off to each other. Me and my mate couldn't believe it and less than a minute later it turned into a punch up. Now the police want us to their job for them because they couldn't be bothered on the day. I have noticed that whenever teams like Cardiff or Burnley are in town, the police are nowhere to be seen. I don't know how much Saints pay for policing but they are not getting their moneys worth. I can understand witnesses not wanting to get involved as I don't trust them not to hand out banning orders to people merely in the vicinity. Saints are now one of the most heavily policed teams in the football league thanks to these 'fans'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I heard you are like the Ian Poulter of the Football Casual world. You won't catch me wearing pink trousers and union jack jumpers at the football I'm afraid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 1. The numbers were even... 2 of them didn't run and were caught. 2. Where does it say about being kicked in the head? The fact it doesnt mention that in the report suggests they were 'body blows' LOL. You make it sound like a game of kiss chase in the playground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I was also about 20 yards or so behind the incidents that took place. This incident was completely avoidable. I could see the scuffle at the Alfred and there were a couple of police there to stop it kicking off. Rather than getting the Yeovil yobs out of the area, the police decided to leave them to walk off on their own - they continued to shout abuse as they walked off and were subsequently followed by some Saints yobs. The police decided to leave them to it for some reason! Before it all kicked off near the traffic lights, a police riot van drove straight past what was now a reasonably large group mouthing off to each other. Me and my mate couldn't believe it and less than a minute later it turned into a punch up. Now the police want us to their job for them because they couldn't be bothered on the day. I have noticed that whenever teams like Cardiff or Burnley are in town, the police are nowhere to be seen. I don't know how much Saints pay for policing but they are not getting their moneys worth. I can understand witnesses not wanting to get involved as I don't trust them not to hand out banning orders to people merely in the vicinity. yeah i was a few meters away from the two guys as they walked down northam road , the moment the 2 coppers at the briton road junc. heard the noise come from the alfred/northam road they left the junction leaving it pretty much unpoliced, you could sense that it was going to kick off, i think the younger one ended up in the hedge, the big fella got his glasses broken the first time he got laid into and the majority of the mob riverdance'd on his torso at some point there on after, the police were stretched and reacting to something else... it only takes one idiot to put someone in a Coma then the fallout from that incident would have been a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Saints are now one of the most heavily policed teams in the football league thanks to these 'fans'. If you're not one of those "fans" the amount of rozzers isn't going to affect you. I've hardly noticed any at away games and as I come over the Itchen Bridge for home games I don't see any at SMS either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 FWIW anyone who intentionally gets involved in fights before, during or after football matches, are ****ing thick, inbred ****s and need to have a word with themselves. It's a game of football you stupid mongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 LOL. You make it sound like a game of kiss chase in the playground. Which is pretty much all it was, certainly not enough to warrant people being sent to jail and banned from football for 3-5 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think any real Saints fan should not grass on a fellow Saint. now why doesnt that surprise me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 LOL. You make it sound like a game of kiss chase in the playground. Which is pretty much all it was, certainly not enough to warrant people being sent to jail and banned from football for 3-5 years! Noone got "viciously assaulted" in our school playground during kiss chase ? 5 already arrested a further 3 being looked for yet only 2 got set about, remind me again of how "the numbers were even" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 would never happen if the away fans were locked in after game rather than this stupid tactic of letting every one out at the same time. i will not pass any judgement on this incident until all the facts are out in the open because experience has shown that the "innocent" victims are not always so innocent Best post on here. Pretty much the only really sensible one. Can anyone say why the police don't hold away fans back? There's always trouble and a bit of intimidation as the opposing sets of fans pass one another. Absolutely daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 An old saying that goes if you can't do the time then don't do the crime. Some might be the type who like to turn a blind eye and some might be the type who wants that type of thing to stop. Me personally i would much rather talk to our opponents fans and have a friendly banter with them then kick their heads in. At the away games recently talking to their fans has been excellent and have seen next to no trouble at all. Would hate to think that would change because of a small bunch of idiots around here. As for that whole grass up thing....are we now living in the ghetto or something? If someone beat the crap out of your kid while he was on the ground, maybe killing him, im sure you would wish that person to be caught. At the end of the day if they don't want to get into trouble then don't do stupid stuff like that no matter how gobby the people are. We live in the 21st century where there are cameras on every corner. If you are someone who is known for that kind of thing then it is just a matter of time before they get you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 I think there is a difference between the yobs you and I are thinking about and the people who stick up for themselves Stu is trying to suggest are involved. I dont go looking for fights and never have. I can do enough to get myself out of trouble should it appear but would rather get out of the way than get involved. If I get started on at a footy match or anywhere else and manage to drop someone then I think the Police should treat that accordingly and I should get no more than a slap on the wrist and leave it at that. If on the other hand I go out looking for a scrap and regularly find one then the Police should treat me as a yob that should be directed away from areas that normal law obiding people and familys like to attend. The 1st example I would expect most saints fans to not grass me up as I myself would be happy to go to the Police to state what happened. The 2nd example I think any real fan would want to disassociate there club, friends and familys from so should point them out to the Police and let them be delt with in the right way. As someone else has said. I wouldnt want to be on the end of a revenge attack just because I am walking through Yoville or anywhere else in my saints shirt. Fair distinction between two different sets of circumstances. However, SRS didn't make that distinction clear himself when he made his "you shouldn't grass a fellow Saint" statement. As others have pointed out, regardless of whether there was provocation, in fact whatever the circumstances, the line has been crossed when somebody kicks somebody else in the head. In nature, many species will discontinue their attack on one of their own species if that rival assumes the prone curled-up position, signifying surrender and defeat. It must be a particularly cowardly or mentally sub-normal specimen who presses on to inflict serious and potentially life-threatening injury on his victim under such circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Londoner Posted 21 October, 2009 Share Posted 21 October, 2009 Wasn't it the Human Rights legislation which prevented people being kept behind at the end of games ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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