NickG Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 BNP told to review its rules restricting membership to "indigenous Caucasian" people. Think it would be really funny to see how the racists deal with loads of applications to join from ethnic groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Does anyone think the Commission for Racial... (or whatever they're called at the moment) have scored a massive own-goal here? All they're doing is helpng the BNP to become more legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 BNP told to review its rules restricting membership to "indigenous Caucasian" people. Think it would be really funny to see how the racists deal with loads of applications to join from ethnic groups. In parts of the Black Country the BNP are aligned with Sikh groups in an effort to combat "Islamification". That arrangement goes back years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2009 there was documentary on sky this week - BNP wives. There was middle age woman from Fareham - posh but absolutely thick. She made Maggy character from little britain seem reasonable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Does anyone think the Commission for Racial... (or whatever they're called at the moment) have scored a massive own-goal here? All they're doing is helpng the BNP to become more legitimate. The have elected representitives and are therefore legitimate regardless of the odious nature of their politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Nazis came to power through elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Nazis came to power through elections Everytime someone links the election of the 21st century BNP to the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany I cringe. It is possibly the most stupid comparison available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 If the BNP do this. It will be the next step that will slowly gain them more votes. Sad but there you go. People keep on branding those who dare have concerns about immigration as racist will simply continue to act as a recruiting tool for the likes of the BNP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 The have elected representitives and are therefore legitimate regardless of the odious nature of their politics. True. I suppose the point I was trying to make was that the Commissin hasn't achieved anything at all by bringing this action. If anything the BNP can use their new constitution to counter the allegation that they are racist... "we welcome everyone. Look, it says so in our constitution etc...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Nigel Farage just making my point above on Question Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Does anyone think the Commission for Racial... (or whatever they're called at the moment) have scored a massive own-goal here? All they're doing is helpng the BNP to become more legitimate. Hadn't read this thread and heard the news on the way home and think exactly the same thing. They have just handed them the quickest ticket into main stream politics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Nigel Farage just making my point above on Question Time. Nigel Farage should be running the country tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Nigel Farage should be running the country tbf. lol. I'll give Mr Farage his due, he is a good public speaker. Unfortunately, most of what he says is complete b*ll*cks. Best bit of QT was Damian Green calling the BNP "stupid". Not often I agree with a Tory, but they are all a bit thick. Griffin will be shown up for the ignorant thicko he is next Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 lol. I'll give Mr Farage his due, he is a good public speaker. Unfortunately, most of what he says is complete b*ll*cks. Best bit of QT was Damian Green calling the BNP "stupid". Not often I agree with a Tory, but they are all a bit thick. Griffin will be shown up for the ignorant thicko he is next Thursday. Evey time I hear Farage speak - the bloke talks lots of sense to me. I don't just mean tonight's QT (although most - not all - of what he said made perfect sense!) - but over the last couple of years in general I find myself agreeing with the bloke. Can't remember the last time I thought that of any politician! Griffin next week should be a hoot. Can't see that gutless little dweeb Jack Straw giving him a hard time - but others will. And Jacquie Smith the following week too!!! Thanks BBC for making thursday nights entertaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 If the BNP do this. It will be the next step that will slowly gain them more votes. Sad but there you go. People keep on branding those who dare have concerns about immigration as racist will simply continue to act as a recruiting tool for the likes of the BNP Yeah except that the BNP have seen no rise in their votes recently have they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 October, 2009 Share Posted 15 October, 2009 Oh and I hear people are protesting next week about the BBC on QT. Ridiculous if you ask me. It's called freedom of speech. I want them to have the airtime so that they can be exposed for what they are. Besides, most people who have an interest in QT are not the sort of people that the BNP will typically look to be recruiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Evey time I hear Farage speak - the bloke talks lots of sense to me. I don't just mean tonight's QT (although most - not all - of what he said made perfect sense!) - but over the last couple of years in general I find myself agreeing with the bloke. Can't remember the last time I thought that of any politician! Griffin next week should be a hoot. Can't see that gutless little dweeb Jack Straw giving him a hard time - but others will. And Jacquie Smith the following week too!!! Thanks BBC for making thursday nights entertaining! Farage talks so little sense it is untrue. He lies and he manipulates. He is far worse than most politicians in that regard. If you are bought in by his presentation skills then more fool you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Everytime someone links the election of the 21st century BNP to the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany I cringe. It is possibly the most stupid comparison available. its not stupid at all - shows that nasty, irrational views will appeal to some and get votes - doesn't mean they hold fair/right principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 its not stupid at all - shows that nasty, irrational views will appeal to some and get votes - doesn't mean they hold fair/right principles. No, it's plain stupid. To compare the historical background of the rise of the Nazi Party with the modern day BNP shows a clear lack of understanding of events. A better comparison would be the NF in France under Le Pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 If you are bought in by his presentation skills then more fool you... ...and a very large proportion of the country's electorate. We can't all be wrong...or fooled...or ignorant of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 ...and a very large proportion of the country's electorate. We can't all be wrong...or fooled...or ignorant of the facts. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Why not? lol - the old "I'm right and you're all wrong" ploy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I agree with some of what he says but like many similar parties, his views are too extreme. I want a relationship with Europe but I don't like all these concessions which erode Britain's power to be abl to govern themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I was reading this story in the Express yesterday http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-full-Sharia-law and some people wonder why BNP support is growing so fast. Indiginous British people have every right to defend their culture and way of life and the BNP is the only party that many feel is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 This may boost their membership especially if they" target" one race, i played a lot of football with West Indian lads in the 70's and 80's and they could not stand the Pakistanies, nor could the Indian lads I worked with. The whole Racist argument also gets muddled with Nationalism within the various communities. It is a mess waiting to errupt without the BNP stirring it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I was reading this story in the Express yesterday http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-full-Sharia-law and some people wonder why BNP support is growing so fast. Indiginous British people have every right to defend their culture and way of life and the BNP is the only party that many feel is listening. Not all of us think our culture and way of life need defending though. I've never been called to prayer, my girlfriend has never been forced to wear a burkha and, the last time I checked, we weren't subject to Sharia law. Our "Englishness" hasn't been eroded although, I accept, our level of National racial prejudice may have been curbed somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I was reading this story in the Express yesterday http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-full-Sharia-law and some people wonder why BNP support is growing so fast. Indiginous British people have every right to defend their culture and way of life and the BNP is the only party that many feel is listening. I wonder if that us seen as free speech by our resident lefties or will they condem that article as much as they did the EDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Yeah except that the BNP have seen no rise in their votes recently have they. Haven't the BNP got seats on the European parliament? Isn't this more than a certain mainstream party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Farage talks so little sense it is untrue. He lies and he manipulates. He is far worse than most politicians in that regard. If you are bought in by his presentation skills then more fool you. There are more people in this Country who share his view of Europe and want to get out, than share Euro loons like Mandleson, Clarke and Blair's vision of further intergration. Had the British people realised in '75 where the Common Market was heading, they never would have voted to stay in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Indiginous British people have every right to defend their culture and way of life and the BNP is the only party that many feel is listening. I love this phrase. What on earth are Indiginous (sic) British people? We're a mongrel race, we aren't exactly purebreeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2009 No, it's plain stupid. To compare the historical background of the rise of the Nazi Party with the modern day BNP shows a clear lack of understanding of events. A better comparison would be the NF in France under Le Pen. you are really getting up yourself for nothing! It was hardly in depth comparison just making point that having democratically representatives is hardly a character reference! I am aware of the differences (for what its worth studied this period for my history exams). I do understand the events thank you - although would not claim to be a historian! The comment was correct therefore not stupid. Calm down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I love this phrase. What on earth are Indiginous (sic) British people? We're a mongrel race, we aren't exactly purebreeds. I think he means those who want to obey the law of the denocratically elected government and not have our own laws (when talking about this issue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I think he means those who want to obey the law of the denocratically elected government and not have our own laws (when talking about this issue) Don't be daft. Indigenous means those born in the country and native to it. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 October, 2009 BNP view on TV you do not want Mosques in your area as those who visit will rape your daughters. TV this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I love this phrase. What on earth are Indiginous (sic) British people? We're a mongrel race, we aren't exactly purebreeds. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I think he means those who want to obey the law of the denocratically elected government and not have our own laws (when talking about this issue) No he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Don't be daft. Indiginous means those born in the country and native to it. Nothing more, nothing less. Either way. A large percentage of people in the UK was call themselves 'natives' if this country and have concerns about issues like sharia law etc and a lot of the time get branded as racist for doing so. It seems the BNP are the ones who are listening to such concerns hence their rise from a group of racist to holding seats on the European parliament to being recognised (sadly) ad a mainstream party. FFS they are on the BBC soon sat next to labour and conservative MPs dismiss peoples concerns as much as you want (people have been doing so for the last decade) and be the best recruiting tool for the BNP and the EDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 lol - the old "I'm right and you're all wrong" ploy... Nothing of the sort, it's a serious question. Why shouldn't a lot of people be fooled by the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 I was reading this story in the Express yesterday http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134080/Now-Muslims-demand-full-Sharia-law and some people wonder why BNP support is growing so fast. Indiginous British people have every right to defend their culture and way of life and the BNP is the only party that many feel is listening. If you read the article it states that a (singular) organisation is calling for Sharia. There are organisations in the UK that call for law based solely on the bible, including stoning for adultery etc. Anyone who takes any notice of the Express is a moron. I'm more surprised that it didn't mention Diana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Nothing of the sort, it's a serious question. Why shouldn't a lot of people be fooled by the same thing? Well who's getting fooled exactly? Nigel Farage talks a lot of sense. I don't agree with every single thing the bloke says (the same could be said for any politician or political party that I've voted for in 30+ years) - but the guy makes a bloody good case on a number of important issues. UKIP didn't gain as many seats as they did in the recent Euro elections from 'fooling people'. They did it because people listened to them & actually cared about what they were saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 If you read the article it states that a (singular) organisation is calling for Sharia. Exactly. The worst mistake one can make in trying to understand other people, or in trying to get on with other people, is to lump them all together and say 'this is what xxx is like', 'these are the demands xxx group is making'. Yet that's what the media of all persuasions love to do. Muslims aren't all extremists/terrorists. People on the political right aren't all racists. Part of freedom of speech is a responsibility not to over-react when you hear something you don't like. That's everyone's responsibility. Otherwise the whole thing doesn't work and we all end up name-calling and eventually fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 If you read the article it states that a (singular) organisation is calling for Sharia. There are organisations in the UK that call for law based solely on the bible, including stoning for adultery etc. Anyone who takes any notice of the Express is a moron. I'm more surprised that it didn't mention Diana. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 Everytime someone links the election of the 21st century BNP to the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany I cringe. It is possibly the most stupid comparison available. It is and then again it isn't. Granted, as of yet, the BNP have not tried to overthrow the government like the Nazi's did intially, they are pursuing power through legal means...just like the Nazi's did when they realised they could seize power. Furthermore, the German nation was suffering terrible financial hardship due to the terms of the Treaty of Versailles: Hyper-Inflation, starvation, mass unemployment. Now, in Britain we obviously don't have hyper-inflation or starvation, but the fragile economic climate is akin to that to which the Nazi's manipulated the voter's minds with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 October, 2009 Share Posted 16 October, 2009 BNP are a joke, anyone who makes decisions based on tone of skin is just an idiot. They will never be a serious party. The Muslim problem has arisen because the government pussy foot around them because in general they are so damn defensive about their religion. It's decades since Life of Brian where Christianity had the complete **** taken out of it, yet draw a cartoon of Mohammed and even moderate Muslims are up in arms and extreme ones are dishing out death threats. If anyone needs to learn tolerance it's muslims and Muslim countries, spreading Christianity is still illegal in some Muslim countries, yet the same people are up in arms over someone coming to the UK to just voice an opinion on their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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