Gillett out on loan

[Wes Tender]

I liked Gillett last season, mainly for his gutsy wholehearted performances. However, as he possibly doesn't fit Pardew's plans and hasn't had much of a chance since Hammond signed anyway, it is good sense for him to be sent out on loan. I think that his confidence might have taken a knock and if he plays regularly for Doncaster, it might get a boost, as will his fitness. I think that if he comes back fit and confident, he could be decent cover in midfield in the event of injury or suspension to others.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Tis a bit bizarre loaning out our fringe players to sides above us in the League!

 

maybe we hope they'll play them.

[hypochondriac]

Inevitable really after the shocking treatment he has received at the hands of Pardew and his cohorts. Even if Pardew thinks we have better people as first picks isn't it necessary to keep young gifted players like him in the squad in case of injuries? It's idiots like Thomas who are cluttering up the wage bill not Gillett. Still what do I know.

 

How bizarre. Why is it shocking if he doesn't rate him? Maybe Gillet isn't happy to be backup. Tell me, who would you have him in place of in the team?

[Bailey]

Shame really as Gillett was one of the few good things to come out of last season. For whatever reason however, Pardew doesn't rate him and that's his decision.

 

Gillett isn't a youngster anymore and at his age he needs to be playing regular football. If Doncaster can offer that to him, then fair play to Simon and I wish him all the very best.

[Fowllyd]

Inevitable really after the shocking treatment he has received at the hands of Pardew and his cohorts. Even if Pardew thinks we have better people as first picks isn't it necessary to keep young gifted players like him in the squad in case of injuries? It's idiots like Thomas who are cluttering up the wage bill not Gillett. Still what do I know.

 

The price of a season ticket at the Emirates?

[hypochondriac]

Shocking treatment was what Burley did to the likes of Rasiak and Jan to Stern John. Play them for a game or two, watch them perform and then drop them for seemingly no reason. Gillet isn't rated clearly (and when he has come on this season he has done nothing to suggest that he should be in contention) and a loan move probably suits both parties. Why is that shocking treatment?

[teamsaint]

Inevitable really after the shocking treatment he has received at the hands of Pardew and his cohorts. Even if Pardew thinks we have better people as first picks isn't it necessary to keep young gifted players like him in the squad in case of injuries? It's idiots like Thomas who are cluttering up the wage bill not Gillett. Still what do I know.

 

well, for one thing, Thomas is widely thought to have done a very good job ar RB. And the fact that he is on top money is not really his fault.

 

Shocking treatment? Pardew has looked to have made a good decision SG has been way off the pace. Hopefully he will come back from Donny ready to grab a place in our team.

[krissyboy31]

Gillett IMO was completely over-rated last season and I've seen nothing to change my mind this season TBH. AP has come in assessed the squad and obviously seen that SG is not for him.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It seems to me the way Simon Gillett has been handled has been in error . Some players respond to being dropped by their manager with a 'I'll show him' attitude and come back stronger , while others need more of a 'arm around the shoulder' approach to achieve their full potential . Surely the test of good man management is to know the difference between these two distinct types - to put it crudely who responds best to the stick - and who to the carrot .

 

It appears likely that Gillett falls into the latter category but unsympathetic treatment from his manager and/or coaches (who don't rate him it seems) has had a negative impact on both his confidence and his game . One of our better players last season , a player who easily kept Schneiderlin out of the side and who surely has much more to offer us in midfield than Paul Wotton for instance could/should be a asset for this club , but instead he has become a liability somehow - what a pity .

[up and away]

As far as i can tell since Pardew has picked him he has played in the central position with Wotten behind him. I could be wrong but for the JPT game that is how it looked from where i was. With Antonio and Waigo on the wings. He was the worst player on the pitch in that game and was a huge reason as to why we could not get forward. He was meant to be the creative spark and did nothing. It is an example of why you don't risk players like that in key positions because if they have an off day then chances are your not create much. Pardew took him off at half time and we instantly looked a better team.

 

Personally i think Pardew has got it spot on. We no longer need to give players games for the sake of it. Gillett has had i think 2 starts and 3 sub appearances in both league and cup games. I think 3-5 games is enough time to at least show something about yourself. If you put his performances up against the other players you have to be honest and say he has probably performed the least this season. So keep giving him more chances to shine i think is wrong. If we play him and he plays like he did against Millwall and Torquay then he will get slated and we will probably fall further behind.

I think Pardew has to pick every team with the basis of winning, by picking Gillett i don't think that would be the case, it would be a team picked based on experimenting like last season. And we are no longer in a position to do that. If the youngsters are not good enough then they should not play.

 

Play Wooton in the forward midfield role and how do you expect he will get on? I think we should be able to get an easy majority agreement here that it would not work out well. Unless you play Gillet in the defensive midfield role, I feel you get nowhere near the best out of him.

 

But I do agree it certainly looks the best at present for Gillet to go out on loan. Wooton is doing what is required, Gillet has shown nothing to get excited about and the loan is for such a short period it should not cost us.

 

Wooton has done a very solid job for us sitting in front of the back four and his peformances have merit. But I have seen enough from him to know he will cost us if tested under pressure, or he is not afforded the cover supplied at present. Gillet I feel can add a lot to that position, but only if he can regain his previous form. If Gillet is not the answer then I feel we may need someone else. At the present there is absolutely no requirement for change but I believe that time will come.

[NickG]

I think he's been treated abmismally since Pardew arrived. He's one player you could say was a Saint and not a mercenary. He deserves better and may Driscoll knows a Saint when he sees one.

 

Anyone know if he'll be taking with him the photo gathering dust in the store cupboard since the takeover?

 

I rated him last season and thought he would go on to be better this.

 

Don't agree he has been treated badly.

 

He plays the same role as Hammond and Hammond is much better

Edited 12 October, 2009 by NickG

[Clifford Nelson]

Before this season started I was a great fan of Gillett and he was one of only three players I rated from last season. If I'm looking at the team AP is creating I have to admit that I can't see a role for him. He has never been an offensive creative or goalscoring spark, nor has he got a good record as a wide player. That leaves the defensive CM, which Wotton has played in the last few games.

 

I think this is a position which AP will look to strengthen in the January window, but can I honestly say that I think it would be better if Gillett played there?

 

Last year he had the advantage of being the all action hero in a midfield which was mainly confused. He looked like he was the only thing who could possibly provide a future, but that was in a different team struggling badly and with no confidence.

 

I couldn't understand why AP didn't play him and thought that it was cruel. That's why AP is a top class manager and I'm not. But the truth is that that he was right and I wasn't.

 

I wish Gillett the best of luck and hope that Doncaster falls in love with his style of football and offer him a good long term contract.

[Huntingdon]

Inevitable really after the shocking treatment he has received at the hands of Pardew and his cohorts. Even if Pardew thinks we have better people as first picks isn't it necessary to keep young gifted players like him in the squad in case of injuries? It's idiots like Thomas who are cluttering up the wage bill not Gillett. Still what do I know.

 

You know jack

 

Most Saints I know all agree that Gillett totally overrated

[ART]

I rated him last season and thought he would go on to be better this.

 

Don't agree he has been treated badly.

 

He plays the same role as Hammond and Hammond is much better.:smt033:smt033:smt033

 

Gillett can play many roles and a good manager would be able to take that in. Gillett is the type of player that a decent team needs in their squad. Whereas I understand our manager believes in height and muscle in League One, I fail to understand just how Pas Dieu, like Burley before him, has been able to knock all spirit and enthousiasm out of the guy.

 

And for those who think I've changed from referring to Pas Dieu, I say, think again. Two wins don't make a play off place. I used his common name this morning maybe because age is showing itself and in the morning I wasn't feeling my usual self. Pardew is Pas Dieu and until he proves otherwise which I believe will never be, I shall continue to refer to him as such. I shall be more careful in future not to allow my guard to slip. Afterall, I wouldn't want any of these so called Pas Dieu worshippers get the wrong idea.

[NickG]

art - no idea what those three things are doing at end of my post sorry! accidental clicking!

[NickG]

also got no idea what you are talking about!

[andybeal]

Gillett can play many roles and a good manager would be able to take that in. Gillett is the type of player that a decent team needs in their squad. Whereas I understand our manager believes in height and muscle in League One, I fail to understand just how Pas Dieu, like Burley before him, has been able to knock all spirit and enthousiasm out of the guy.

 

And for those who think I've changed from referring to Pas Dieu, I say, think again. Two wins don't make a play off place. I used his common name this morning maybe because age is showing itself and in the morning I wasn't feeling my usual self. Pardew is Pas Dieu and until he proves otherwise which I believe will never be, I shall continue to refer to him as such. I shall be more careful in future not to allow my guard to slip. Afterall, I wouldn't want any of these so called Pas Dieu worshippers get the wrong idea.

 

Absolutely completely barking mad.

[gordonToo]

SG is prone to cede possession when put under pressure, lacks an eye for a defence splitting pass and has no real pace. Other than that he's OK though.

[hypochondriac]

I failed to take art seriously the day he was supposed to post a link to something saints related and instead posted some rather disturbing and graphic gay porn.

[hypochondriac]

Oh and that odd episode when he was convinced that the mods were censoring his posts. Mad as a box of frogs

[rallyboy]

I think it's really unfair for Donny to expect Gillett to be able to find £100m from somewhere, Ecclestone is just expecting too much from him, he's only been there a few days, he knows nothing of the planning wrangles thus far and it's playing right into Silvertone's hands.

He may have struggled for form this season but it just seems unfair on the lad and if they lose the GP because of him he will lose confidence and come back to us as damaged goods.

Pardew is the pits.

 

 

 

''Donington Ventures Leisure Limited has another two weeks to demonstrate our credentials for hosting the British GP," said Donington boss Simon Gillett.''

[washsaint]

Unbelievable......the guy has been given absolutely no chance by pardew and played out of position when he has played (typically 5 minutes here or there) and gets slagged off by the expert coaches on here.

 

Are none of you questioning why a team at a higher level than Saints has taken him on (for 2 months not as an emergency loan)? For those of you saying he is not good enough for Saints, here is a reality check: we are bottom of League 1 and he will be playing for a mid table Championship side.

[Give it to Ron]

Unbelievable......the guy has been given absolutely no chance by pardew and played out of position when he has played (typically 5 minutes here or there) and gets slagged off by the expert coaches on here.

 

Are none of you questioning why a team at a higher level than Saints has taken him on (for 2 months not as an emergency loan)? For those of you saying he is not good enough for Saints, here is a reality check: we are bottom of League 1 and he will be playing for a mid table Championship side.

 

So come on then tell us where you would play him....given that you are far wiser than AP, Wilkins and Wally Downes?

[S-Clarke]

Unbelievable......the guy has been given absolutely no chance by pardew and played out of position when he has played (typically 5 minutes here or there) and gets slagged off by the expert coaches on here.

 

Are none of you questioning why a team at a higher level than Saints has taken him on (for 2 months not as an emergency loan)? For those of you saying he is not good enough for Saints, here is a reality check: we are bottom of League 1 and he will be playing for a mid table Championship side.

 

One thing you get with Gillett is 110% effort and passion in his performances, you cannot fault that.

 

I would say he's lacking slightly in presence to play consistently and regularly at this level of football, not because he's not good enough for it...but simply IMO he doesn't have the stature to give us what we need in midfield.

 

replacing him with Hammond is fair IMO - he's also full of heart and effort, but Hammond is much more suited to this level because of his physical presence.

[hypochondriac]

Unbelievable......the guy has been given absolutely no chance by pardew and played out of position when he has played (typically 5 minutes here or there) and gets slagged off by the expert coaches on here.

 

Are none of you questioning why a team at a higher level than Saints has taken him on (for 2 months not as an emergency loan)? For those of you saying he is not good enough for Saints, here is a reality check: we are bottom of League 1 and he will be playing for a mid table Championship side.

Where would you play him?

[a1ex2001]

Where would you play him?

 

That his the nail on the head really, I like many others really like the lad and think last season he was one of the few plus points and his attitude is always a credit to him but sadly he doesn't fit into the current formation and style that we have adopted the only positions he can play are occupied by better players (Hammond) or players in form (Wotton).

[ART]

The thing about Gillett is that he is a useful utility player to have in the squad. We still have a long season ahead and there will be injuries sooner than later. Generally it's the same folk who slagged off the likes of Kevin Davies, Scott MacDonald who lay into a player like Gillett. I'm not saying he's superman but I do believe as washsaint says that he's not been treated well. It's one thing being small and having more than the average player to prove himself but to be messed about just cos Pas Dieu wants to remove all previous squad players is another. When Pas Dieu begins to consistantly put out teams who come back with the points, I might change my opinion. The only difference with Burley is that Pas Dieu has an open cheque book to bring in his mercenaries and pensioners. These are not long term signings but fill in the crack band aids to play in League One.

[The9]

When AP has brought him on he had played him at the front of the diamond. He did this in preseason as well and he was poor there especially in the Ajax game. I have no idea why Pardew thinks that is his best position, but it has not helped him at all. Not getting games will not have helped his match fitness. This loan is therefore just what he needs.

 

Can't argue with that. I did have a bit of a theory that Pardew's only given Gillett the chance to look bad by playing him in a creative rather than destructive midfield position, but at the same time Lloyd James' central midfield performance outstripped Gillett when they were alongside each other early in the season and he's hardly getting to play in his favoured position either.

 

Gillett looked decent in a poor side, he's looked poor in a decent side. And whilst I have sympathy for him (he's no Poo-lis, and I mean that as a compliment), his lack of height is also an issue in defensive positions - and Pardew's signings have almost all had the height factor in common.

[The9]

The thing about Gillett is that he is a useful utility player to have in the squad. We still have a long season ahead and there will be injuries sooner than later. Generally it's the same folk who slagged off the likes of Kevin Davies, Scott MacDonald who lay into a player like Gillett. I'm not saying he's superman but I do believe as washsaint says that he's not been treated well. It's one thing being small and having more than the average player to prove himself but to be messed about just cos Pas Dieu wants to remove all previous squad players is another. When Pas Dieu begins to consistantly put out teams who come back with the points, I might change my opinion. The only difference with Burley is that Pas Dieu has an open cheque book to bring in his mercenaries and pensioners. These are not long term signings but fill in the crack band aids to play in League One.

 

What's the point in having a utility player if he's not good enough in any of the positions? If he can't switch from holding midfield to attacking midfield without looking completely out of his depth he's not got much going for him - though I will say that without fail the first pass he's received when coming on as sub has always been a poor one, which can't have helped.

 

Your generalising about generalisations is comical. I can't imagine anyone can recall who was critical of Davies and MacDonald, but they weren't doing it for Saints at the time and criticism of them was hardly unfair. Strachan only changed his mind on the latter some 3 years later when he'd had the shock of getting the boot and shown the tenacity to deliver, while Davies had Bolton's side built around his style and needed that to be successful.

 

PS You're on your own about "Pas Dieu" and it's getting boring. People who've been to matches have seen massive improvement in the effort and performances, and that's now translating to results and points, but you don't want to hear about it.

 

It's coming across like you've not been paying attention, have glanced at the table, seen we're bottom and decided the manager must be rubbish. You'll be starting with "Tranmere and Wycombe have sacked their managers, will Pas Dieu follow?" next...

[Golden Balls]

Such an overrated player!

 

Against Torquay he was 3 yards behind everybody. He just can't read the game. He's slow, weak, gives the ball away at every oppertunity and slips over every couple of minutes.

 

I imagine going out on the town nearly every night, off his face and dancing with ugly girls doesn't help!

[Saints67]

Calm down everyone. According to the BBC we've sent Steve Gillett. Simon must still be hanging about at St.Mary's.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8284553.stm

[The9]

Calm down everyone. According to the BBC we've sent Steve Gillett. Simon must still be hanging about at St.Mary's.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8284553.stm

 

I think he's trying to get the money together for Bernie Ecclestone to have the British GP at Donington, actually.

 

http://www.forumula1.net/2009/f1/f1-news/gillett-donington-will-happen/

[Give it to Ron]

The thing about Gillett is that he is a useful utility player to have in the squad. We still have a long season ahead and there will be injuries sooner than later. Generally it's the same folk who slagged off the likes of Kevin Davies, Scott MacDonald who lay into a player like Gillett. I'm not saying he's superman but I do believe as washsaint says that he's not been treated well. It's one thing being small and having more than the average player to prove himself but to be messed about just cos Pas Dieu wants to remove all previous squad players is another. When Pas Dieu begins to consistantly put out teams who come back with the points, I might change my opinion. The only difference with Burley is that Pas Dieu has an open cheque book to bring in his mercenaries and pensioners. These are not long term signings but fill in the crack band aids to play in League One.

 

There is a massive difference between Kevin Davies, Scott McDonald and the division we were in then and Gillett and League One.

Kevin Davies had become lazy, idle and couldn't be bothered in any game he played in. I watched him many times in the reserves and he couldnt be arsed to chase and run and get back in the first team.

In fact when he did get back in he was even worse! He needed the move back up north to be nearer his family and has benefitted from that.

How many clubs have come in for him since going to Bolton?

Scott McDonald had a good match against Brighton then did bugger all after that and flitted about until landing at Celtic where he has shone in a **** poor league. Look at Neil McCann as an example of how a player can be good in Scotland yet utter sh1te down here.

 

Your comment about Burley is laughable.....who spent £7m yet Pardew has assembled this squad for £1.7.

 

If AP wants to remove squad players why keep Lallana? KD, Thomas, Perry, Paterson, Mills, James.

We have to sign players for this league..horses for courses didn't we learn that last season playing pretty football gets you nowhere?

 

Art you used to be one of the best posters on here going back to Studio54 days I am not sure whats happened to you but your acerbic posts abot Pardew are a great shame and do you no credit.

Wit regard to points...without the previous regimes failure to take us into admin a week earlier we would now be 11th in the league and 4 points off the playoffs which given the circumstances AP took over in is not bad.

[RonManager]

I've just found the time to watch the Torquay match in full on SaintsPlayer, and watched Gillett in particular. I was very impressed with him towards the back end of last season, and voted for him in our sponsorship bid. I would have thought that he would have used that game to really press his claim.

 

He started the game with an excellent tackle and ball to Papa. After that he only touched the ball 6 times in the whole half and made only one gut-busting run which ended in an excellent sliding tackle which was unfortunately given as a free kick to Torquay. Nearly all of his passes were short and backwards. He spent most of the half walking and was rightly substituted at half time.

 

If you don't take your chances etc etc etc.

 

I wish him well and dearly want him to be part of our future.