Village Saint Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Just goes to show that the Orange Order who were supposed to be great at working with youth had no idea, as they managed to make Lallana look very poor (and indeed he was awful even this season against Swindon for instance). But when you get good coaches, such as AP/DW and NP working with him he can be very good. What absolute garbage. Full credit to AP for moving Lallana on but actually all Lallana has done is shown the same patchy development that any young player does. People on here are always writing players off at 18; 19 ;20. Until players devlop maturity in their mid twenties what you see is potential and some inconsistent flashes of what might come. All players go through this - c.f. Rooney; Walcott etc. The players who develop much earlier - e.g. Fabregas are much much rarer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 What absolute garbage. Full credit to AP for moving Lallana on but actually all Lallana has done is shown the same patchy development that any young player does. People on here are always writing players off at 18; 19 ;20. Until players devlop maturity in their mid twenties what you see is potential and some inconsistent flashes of what might come. All players go through this - c.f. Rooney; Walcott etc. The players who develop much earlier - e.g. Fabregas are much much rarer. Excellent point. Adam has actually been in and around the first team for some time. And was out for a period last season with an injury that I think probably knocked his confidence as much as his fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 What absolute garbage. Full credit to AP for moving Lallana on but actually all Lallana has done is shown the same patchy development that any young player does. People on here are always writing players off at 18; 19 ;20. Until players devlop maturity in their mid twenties what you see is potential and some inconsistent flashes of what might come. All players go through this - c.f. Rooney; Walcott etc. The players who develop much earlier - e.g. Fabregas are much much rarer. Its hard to know wether Schneiderlin, Lallana and James have all improved because they had a years football and the experience that goes with it or if it's just having a better manager playing to their strengths. I think it's a bit of both, just hope the three of them can continue to improve. At the moment I'd probably start James at right back even when Murty is fit and after yesterday I'd start Schneiderlin ahead of Mellis when he's back from England duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 You are right about the left being unbalanced by Adam playing. However if he keeps putting in the goals and performances he will do for me. Pardew will need to find a way of resolving this issue. It is making it very hard for Harding Agree entirely, last night in the second half Harding was stranded in no man's land while Southend consistently had an easy outlet to their right to a player effectively playing in the hole/out wide (if that makes sense). Saints have no orthodox left mid and it easy for the other team to create a 2 v 1 overload down the right. All the time we have momentum and are scoring goals this isn't really a problem (it's all a bit Kevin Keegan actually), but there will come a time when we have to change tactics, I wouldn't fancy going to Leeds away and playing this system. For me we need an orthodox LM and then play Lallana in the hole in a 4-4-2 stroke 4-4-1-1 set up (as some of us have advocated from the start). AL is not a left mid and for certain games he clearly can't play there, I'm sure though that AP knows this and has some options available. A fit and willing Rudi Skacel would have made for an exciting combo down the left with Harding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Who would you drop to bring in the orthadox left winger? Schneiderlin, Hammond and Wotton where all very important to us yesterday and if we played with one less in the middle away from home we'd get over run in the middle and struggle for possesion which is far worse than our left back getting doubled up on occasionally. They had a very good right winger, probably their best attacking player and even with little protection from Lallana we didn't have a problem with it. Harding looked in control for most the game even if he did give the winger too much space. The formation is fine, I don't see any reason to change to a 4-4-2 unless teams really clock on and we start conceeding one or two goals a game from the our left which just isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Probably a bit bias as a love the kind of player is but you'll see I've always rated him as well - this is not a "I told you so" post but do feel English football kind of stagnates this kind of player. Absolutely delighted to see him doing well at the moment, he will have crap games where he disappears but that's the trade off - Jesus, didn't MLT and Gazza do the same thing (and no, I'm not putting him in that class)? To me, at this level, he's a match winner. Don't care if he does sweet fa for 89 minutes as long as he does something to win the game in that 1 min of magic. He may go in January and to be honest, fair play to him if he does but I think he'll stay until the end of the season just to get a full good season under his belt. On a similar rant, is nobody else ****ed off at the way we treat creative players in this country? Joe Cole was the last, truly, exceptional world class teenager we had. Remember being at Southampton Uni and had a West Ham fan in my flat. He used to say how they played 5 aside in training and as soon as Cole was put on the other side, Ian Wright would kick up a stink saying the sides were unfair. I remember watching him in some Intertoto cup match at 16 where he beat 6 players and put in a 30 yard effort - he was simply amazing. Then Sven and Mouriniho got hold of him and said stop dribbling. Can you imagine if he was Brazilian? Couldn't agree more. Joe Cole has had a decent career but IMHO he has done nothing exceptional in line with all of the plaudits he received as a teenager. I think it is actually a real shame. Now you could argue he was overhyped, but your comments are spot on about how he was managed. Yes, both club and country have benefited from his more consistent displays, but for him personally he has lost a bit of that magic which I think is a shame. I really don't understand this almost demented requirement in football to have players who are good at everything. Why can't we just allow these talented players to develop and play to their strengths? It wouldn't be such a problem for me if there was equal derision of clogging midfielders not scoring enough goals or hairy-arsed centre backs not being skilful enough. But no, it's alright for them coz they put the effort in!. Just very frustrating as we are always whinging about the lack of quality in this country and then do precisely nothing to encourage a bit of (whisper it quietly) skill and trickery. Damn those flash gits. Anyway, back to the original point - great to see Adam Lallana in form. Just what we need frankly, we have lost so much talent in the past few years and long may it continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Lallana is such a poor player. No positional sense, no touch, can't strike a dead ball, plays for himself and not the team, can't score for toffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Proving a few wrong including myself. Hope he keeps it up and takes us up. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 how log before his form dips (or even just the goals dry up) and we have numpties on here questioning his talent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 After last season, I wouldn't have cared if he left. Beginning on this season he looked shy and scared but the past 4 games or so he has been on fire. I said to a mate just before the Bristol Rovers game that he never scores enough. Since he has scored 5 goals in 3 games. Hope he can keep this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Apparently last year he was very bad and also having councelling. I have been told by a reliable source that it is because he was going to be sold and din't want to leave. and now he has a secure future and is playing well Go Adam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 llana always was a brilliant, technical footballer played out of position in failed systems. I genuinely haven't seen him do any better this season than last. Last season he was wasted in a team of losers probably working harder than he is this season. But now we have a manager who knows what to do with him! Great post. Thats exactly as I see it. I used to read with disbelief some of the stuff posted about Lallana on here (That includes you Derry football Genius) and just laugh. The reality is though we won't be laughing for long This lad is so far ahead of the rest of the league that we wont hold on to him for long. Wonderful footballer and really enjoying him in a Saints shirt for however long it lasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 remember he only first played, to any extent, last year under the Dutch is a poor season with a lot going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Coming back to the "can he be consistent" longer term question, couple of points I feel All youngsters are inconsistent as others have said, heck even Rooney had bad games at the start of his career, so don't be surprised when it happens and lay off him and/or the others, it'll pass. Then we come to the shape and system. It is early days yet and as others have said harding gets 2 on 1. Now other managers will of course try and exploit that by setting their teams up to counter us. However IF we play the fast moving game well, then as we get better at it, more teams will tend to get blown away as we learnt to impose ourselves. IF we really get it together then our strengths will blow other teams away, it's hard for them to double up on Harding if they're short at the back all the time with our guys pinging the ball around fast. Let's face it, the system is the same as Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool play, you could argue that Anelka never really tracks all the way back, but not many teams get the chance to expolit that, so playing to his strengths and keeping him in a hot streak is pretty crucial to us going on a run. When he has an off day or two (and everyone does) that will be when the shape we play could hurt us and when AP will earn his money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 October, 2009 (edited) remember he only first played, to any extent, last year under the Dutch is a poor season with a lot going on. Actually he first played under Pearson, but meh. Thinking about it, he actually first played under Burley. Edited 10 October, 2009 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Actually he first played under Pearson, but meh. Thinking about it, he actually first played under Burley. Made his first app. against Yeovil in the carling cup, back in 2005. He did v well - so GB threw him into the next league game (we didn't do v well and he struggled a bit) then he wasn't seen again under the GB regime...on the bench a few times, but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 think he did about 15 mins in total under NP (maybe a few mins out as it was a while ago just in case anyone was in a pedantic mood tonight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 October, 2009 Not sure about that as he scored away to West Brom and i'm sure he started the game after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 think it was two sub appearances - not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 October, 2009 Share Posted 10 October, 2009 WBA away came on on 75 mins and scored. Sheff U home came on 74 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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