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saintfully

saintfully

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"There seems to be a swell of opinion on here though that we need to fundamentally re-adress the ethical implications of capitalism and that there is a viable alternative. My contention is that in a large scale society, there simply isn't."

 

Speaking for myself, I don't think the 'ethical implications of capitalism' need to be 'fundamentally re-addressed'. BUT, I do think that the ethical implications of capitalism need to be given more than lip-service. The crisis we've just seen hit the banks will mean (Im giving the example closest to home) huge numbers of kids will emerge from school/university with little prospect of getting a decent job for years. The effects will be devastating on great numbers of lives.

 

To me, the important question in this instance is who should pay most for the ****-up we all, (to an extent), indulged in? I think it should be wealthier people in work, because I think it is unethical to pass the burden on to the poor who benefitted least from the boom, or on to a generation yet to start work.

 

So, if that means a few dead rich people have to leave a few grand less to their kids, I have no problem. The Tories want to abolish inheritance tax up to 1 million, which costs us (taxpayers) 2 billion. Thats a scandal and it shows where the Tories priorities lie. I think it also shows they are just paying lip-service to the kind of ethical decisions people are talking about. (Labour arn't much better, but at least they never decided on this path).

 

I also think that politics can change things, people just have to vote. Example - minimum wage. No Labour government in 1997 and now you'd still have people earning £3.00 an hour. Just cause change happens incrementally dosn't mean its not happening.

 

(Don't believe the hype that politics isn't important and your vote dosn't matter).

badgerx16

badgerx16

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I am not sure about that.... as many of them believe in nationalism and state intervention,

How do you stand on 'state intervention' in Health and Education, or in the introduction of the minimum wage ?

I assume you want 'state intervention' in immigration and border control ? Management of food hygeine standards, transport infrastructure, etc, etc ?

 

How about Policing and Fire fighting ?

 

It all has to come out of the 'public purse'. Or should we leave all of this to 'market forces' ?

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Doctoroncall

Doctoroncall

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I don't think it is that simple. This map for me sums up the political spectrum.

 

So you can be on the right and be a fan of "convervative liberalism"

 

358px-European-political-spectrum.png

 

This is an interesting site which you could test your own views and look at the analysis which relates to the spectrum diagram:

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

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poor grammar due to rushing to a meeting
Johnny Bognor

Johnny Bognor

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How do you stand on 'state intervention' in Health and Education, or in the introduction of the minimum wage ?

I assume you want 'state intervention' in immigration and border control ? Management of food hygeine standards, transport infrastructure, etc, etc ?

 

How about Policing and Fire fighting ?

 

It all has to come out of the 'public purse'. Or should we leave all of this to 'market forces' ?

 

Well, since you asked....see below

 

This is an interesting site which you could test your own reviews at look at the analysis which relates to the spectrum diagram:

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

 

OK, good old Johnny B is almost slap bang in the middle which means I am able to take pot shots at anyone whenever I like.

pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.38&soc=0.51

 

So come on, if everyone completes the survey, we can all see where we are coming from. I will update the above diagram and we can look at the political map of SWF.

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benjii

benjii

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pcgraphpng.php?ec=-0.88&soc=-2.21

 

I'm pretty central too. I think that's spot-on. Well-balanced with some intriguing contradictions. Just shows how great I am.

 

That's clearly a yank-centric test though. There are few countries in the world who feel it worthwhile to ask if abortion should always be illegal unless the mumsy has health problems.

bungle

bungle

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Fascist

 

I think I only agreed/disagreed on some questions where perhaps I should have been stronger is making my feelings known.

 

Never mind.

aintforever

aintforever

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"There seems to be a swell of opinion on here though that we need to fundamentally re-adress the ethical implications of capitalism and that there is a viable alternative. My contention is that in a large scale society, there simply isn't."

 

Speaking for myself, I don't think the 'ethical implications of capitalism' need to be 'fundamentally re-addressed'. BUT, I do think that the ethical implications of capitalism need to be given more than lip-service. The crisis we've just seen hit the banks will mean (Im giving the example closest to home) huge numbers of kids will emerge from school/university with little prospect of getting a decent job for years. The effects will be devastating on great numbers of lives.

 

To me, the important question in this instance is who should pay most for the ****-up we all, (to an extent), indulged in? I think it should be wealthier people in work, because I think it is unethical to pass the burden on to the poor who benefitted least from the boom, or on to a generation yet to start work.

 

So, if that means a few dead rich people have to leave a few grand less to their kids, I have no problem. The Tories want to abolish inheritance tax up to 1 million, which costs us (taxpayers) 2 billion. Thats a scandal and it shows where the Tories priorities lie. I think it also shows they are just paying lip-service to the kind of ethical decisions people are talking about. (Labour arn't much better, but at least they never decided on this path).

 

I also think that politics can change things, people just have to vote. Example - minimum wage. No Labour government in 1997 and now you'd still have people earning £3.00 an hour. Just cause change happens incrementally dosn't mean its not happening.

 

(Don't believe the hype that politics isn't important and your vote dosn't matter).

 

Exactly.

RonManager

RonManager

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Just call me Ghandi - (luckily I'm not allowed anything sharp) :rolleyes:

 

All I would say is that my political leanings vary in comparison to whether I feel angry or content.

Johnny Bognor

Johnny Bognor

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Theres me ......all on my own on the right ;)

 

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You're not quite on your own, although you're a bit too much of a libertarian for my liking. As it happens, you are less of a fascist than you (and others) make out.

 

I need some communists, fascists and conseravtive liberalists as I am running out of space with all of the liberal lefties (and BTF hasn't posted yet!).

 

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Johnny Bognor

Johnny Bognor

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Or shows a true reflection about the views of the populace or shows how out of kilter you are with the mainstream.

 

 

Considering recent polls, I am bang on the money unlike the rest of you on here.

 

Johnny B = always outnumbered, never outgunned.

Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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You're not quite on your own, although you're a bit too much of a libertarian for my liking. As it happens, you are less of a fascist than you (and others) make out.

 

I need some communists, fascists and conseravtive liberalists as I am running out of space with all of the liberal lefties (and BTF hasn't posted yet!).

 

ou2wx2.jpg

 

Did anyone else check out the analysis of this.....it appears we have a lot of anarchists in the Green sector!!!

Rattlehead

Rattlehead

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The majority of the electorate are morons.

 

Correct.

 

My results:

 

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I don't understand why no other leaders are in my space. I can only assume that I offer something unique and should, in fact, be prime minister. I'm sorry to announce that I won't be taking a pay cut for more hassle, no f*cking way.

Johnny Bognor

Johnny Bognor

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Welcome to the 'right' side rattlehead.

 

Not sure about PM, more of a Ken Clarke type figure if you ask me (you work in the finance industry don't you?).

 

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I think Hatch is Tone himself, and you can just call me Dave. Wanna be my Chancellor?

 

Meanwhile we can send Daniel 'St George' Hannan out to entertain the Europeans

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Rattlehead

Rattlehead

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Welcome to the 'right' side rattlehead.

 

Not sure about PM, more of a Ken Clarke type figure if you ask me (you work in the finance industry don't you?).

 

Thanks, I think, although I'm not quite as fat as Ken. I am in the finance industry yep.

Johnny Bognor

Johnny Bognor

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Did anyone else check out the analysis of this.....it appears we have a lot of anarchists in the Green sector!!!

 

This is where they map the political parties over time.

 

enPartiesTime.gif

 

Note the movements to the right from Labour and the Lib Dems.....clearly moving into traditional tory ground.

 

This shows that I am more in tune with mainstream British politics compared with all participants and as such I am the only true representative. We could just do away with the House of Commons, put me in there and I promise not to take the **** with my expenses. Anyway, got to go, I'm on Question Time in 30 minutes.

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