Tories

[Rattlehead]

I am apparently more LibDem than bungle, even though I have never voted LibDem.

[Arizona]

 

Thought I was slightly right of centre actually.

[badgerx16]

 

Thought I was slightly right of centre actually.

Don't worry A, you are in plenty of good company down in the green

[Johnny Bognor]

OK, here goes

 

[Gemmel]

I dont think brown would make it into the Gartner magic quadrant

[bungle]

This is where they map the political parties over time.

 

 

Note the movements to the right from Labour and the Lib Dems.....clearly moving into traditional tory ground.

 

Methinks:

 

1) You don't understand the graph

2) You have no idea what the major political parties stand for, and thus your idea of where they should be on the graph is well off.

[bungle]

 

Thought I was slightly right of centre actually.

 

Another one who doesn't understand the graph.

[Arizona]

Another one who doesn't understand the graph.

 

Pipe down commie anarchist!

[Johnny Bognor]

Methinks:

 

1) You don't understand the graph

2) You have no idea what the major political parties stand for, and thus your idea of where they should be on the graph is well off.

 

 

That analysis was taken from their website (and whether you agree with it or not is up to you):

http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

 

As for the graph, it is easy to understand, the Left-Right axis refering to the economics of politics (colectivism vs individualism) and the vertical axis relating to the social dynamics. A party like the BNP is often described as extreme right wing - well they are are not as their economic principles are allied to the left, whilst they are the most authoritarian - not too far from Communism, as it happens.

 

If you tale the collectivism vs the individualism axis, you can see the Labour party of 1982 to the left, with their support of Nationalised industry and the nanny state. Over the years they have taken on the idea of the free market (and capitalism) and have therefore moved to the right. If you look at St Georges opinions about the nanny state and govt control, it is no suprise to see that he is where he is.

 

Bringing the two dimensional map into play was me trying to disprove the "if you're left your communist, if you're are right you are a fascist" point. Left and Right is too simplistic as it doesn't take social attitudes into account. As it happens, I am not a fascist and you are not a Commie, so I guess it has served its purpose.

 

Therefore I do think I understand the graph.

Edited 16 October, 2009 by Johnny Bognor

[Joensuu]

So SWF members are mostly natural green voters then?

[dune]

 

Done the test and the results seem pretty fair reflection of my political attitude. If more people were like me the Great would still be in Great Britain.

[Johnny Bognor]

Latest addition in bold

 

 

[bridge too far]

OK, here goes

 

 

Good stuff

 

This has been great, Johnny - really interesting!

 

Although I'm disappointed to find I'm apparently not as left wing and libertarian as I like to think I am

[Thedelldays]

My result was one square to the right of johnny b

[badgerx16]

So far no anarchists ( top left of the graph ) or fascists ( bottom right ). Funny how this probably doesn't reflect what people reading SWF might have surmised simply from the postings.

[View From The Top]

 

Done the test and the results seem pretty fair reflection of my political attitude. If more people were like me the Great would still be in Great Britain.

 

More like you'd have all them darkies deported and we'd all be wearing black shirts.

Edited 16 October, 2009 by View From The Top

[Gingeletiss]

So far no anarchists ( top left of the graph ) or fascists ( bottom right ). Funny how this probably doesn't reflect what people reading SWF might have surmised simply from the postings.

 

Bottom left...the way I read it!!!!!

[Scummer]

Bottom left...the way I read it!!!!!

 

Yeah and fascists at the top.

[Joensuu]

Here's my take on what the areas of the chart mean (I might be wrong...)

 

http://i33.tinypic.com/2vcum1u.jpg

 

 

It's hard to place anarchists though, as essentially they are outside of the chart. If we take Wiki's definition then an anarchist is:

"No rulership or enforced authority."

"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."

"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."

"Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."

 

So on the left/right (economic) axis an anarchist would want no government at all, this means they would have to be on the extreme right line. But they could be anywhere in the liberal/authoritarian axis: (a punk anarchist (authoritarian), would be in the top right corner; while a 'hippy' anarchist (liberal) would be in the bottom right corner).

Edited 16 October, 2009 by Joensuu

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

[Johnny Bognor]

Good stuff

 

This has been great, Johnny - really interesting!

 

Although I'm disappointed to find I'm apparently not as left wing and libertarian as I like to think I am

 

Indeed, it does appear that you are quite strict compared to your counterparts and you are only two squares more liberal than I am. To be fair though, in terms of economics, you are the 2nd most left wing (not that that's anything to be proud of).

 

It also confirmed my suspicions that political debate on this forum is dominated by the liberal lefties.

 

Hatch can be forgiven as he may have answered one question incorrectly and would therefore be on the right side of the line.

 

My result was one square to the right of johnny b

 

 

Adds weight to my "always outnumbered, never outgunned" party. We need a defence minister and as you have access to nuclear missiles, you could be a useful ally. (Just re-program them to take out all in the Green quadrant). Gingeletiss and Rattlehead can be dealt with at a later stage.

 

Latest update

Edited 16 October, 2009 by Johnny Bognor

[badgerx16]

Bottom left...the way I read it!!!!!

My bad ; was referring back to post #398, but the graph with the actual results has been flipped.

Must learn to pay attention when posting.

Edited 16 October, 2009 by badgerx16

[saintfully]

Im directly between Wilko (Gramsci) and DSM (Trotsky).

 

(A small collective of hard-left anarcho-syndicalists emerges, sets up camp in the Northam and claims it as a free state...

 

The first rule of the Northam Republic is "NO SITTING" ... unless you want to, in which case thats fine... just do what you want to be honest... basically its up to you... etc etc)

[Doctoroncall]

It's nice to see so many finding out about the political spectrum and where each lie on the graph (especially in comparison to each other). Just remember theperception you have of 'liberal' and 'authority' etc maybe different to what has been define on this website and in so setting the questions.

Edited 16 October, 2009 by Doctoroncall

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

OK, we've got.....

 

 

Anymore for any more?

 

I'm pretty much spot on with Wilko

[Johnny Bognor]

Latest

 

 

[Joensuu]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2luc5jd.jpg

 

This shows (roughly) the closest political party to each part of the chart.

 

Did this by plotting where Political Compass puts the UK parties, and halfing the space between each of them, so that each part of the chart is coloured according to the party that it is closest to. [NB political compass doesn't have UKIP, but I imagine if they did they would sit somewhere between Labour and the BNP? (perhaps further to the right?).

 

But basically, with only a couple of notable exceptions, most of the responding posters so far would be best off voting either Green of Lib Dem...

[Johnny Bognor]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2luc5jd.jpg

 

This shows (roughly) the closest political party to each part of the chart.

 

Did this by plotting where Political Compass puts the UK parties, and halfing the space between each of them, so that each part of the chart is coloured according to the party that it is closest to. [NB political compass doesn't have UKIP, but I imagine if they did they would sit somewhere between Labour and the BNP? (perhaps further to the right?).

 

But basically, with only a couple of notable exceptions, most of the responding posters so far would be best off voting either Green of Lib Dem...

 

 

Unless of course you are a Nazi which would make Labour your natural choice.

[Saint George]

Unless of course you are a Nazi which would make Labour your natural choice.

 

That makes sense, considering the amount of State control and surveillance, NuLabour have put in place over the last 12 years....The erosion of individual liberties in that period has been nothing short of breathtaking.

 

The amazing thing is, they did it, without most of that lot in the green area even noticing......Just goes to show what you can achieve when you set out with a with a plan of stealth and smoke and mirrors.

 

Will be very very hard, maybe impossible, to ever recover the sort of freedoms peeps enjoyed prior to Blair doing his dirty deeds....The number of new laws alone has been staggering.

[View From The Top]

Will be very very hard, maybe impossible, to ever recover the sort of freedoms peeps enjoyed prior to Blair doing his dirty deeds.....

 

Now I've always accepted that you are insane and not very bright but have you actually looked at the Big Brother laws now in force in the land of the free via the Homeland Security Act brought in under the Neo-Con Republicans?

[Saint George]

Now I've always accepted that you are insane and not very bright but have you actually looked at the Big Brother laws now in force in the land of the free via the Homeland Security Act brought in under the Neo-Con Republicans?

 

Doesn't even come close to the amount of control the British Government has over it's subjects.....Not even remotely......We're worlds apart these days

 

The fact you think it does, tells me you either have no idea how things work in the US ( not unreasonable) or you really haven't cottoned on to the amount the British State now control's and monitors every aspect of your life......which pretty much confirms my point above

 

Britain has become a truly scary place for anyone who has even the slightest regard for personal liberties.

 

If i were in your shoes, I'd be spending my energy trying to regain some my freedoms, rather than lashing out at anyone who happens to highlight the problem

[bungle]

That makes sense, considering the amount of State control and surveillance, NuLabour have put in place over the last 12 years....The erosion of individual liberties in that period has been nothing short of breathtaking.

 

The amazing thing is, they did it, without most of that lot in the green area even noticing......Just goes to show what you can achieve when you set out with a with a plan of stealth and smoke and mirrors.

 

Will be very very hard, maybe impossible, to ever recover the sort of freedoms peeps enjoyed prior to Blair doing his dirty deeds....The number of new laws alone has been staggering.

 

You are a bit thick if you think no-one has noticed. The problem is a lot of people are actually happy about it. I can never quite fathom these people. Delldays is one. He would be quite happy for someone from the government to follow him around all day, I expect.

[View From The Top]

Doesn't even come close to the amount of control the British Government has over it's subjects.....Not even remotely......We're worlds apart these days

 

The fact that you actually believe that is even more scary.

 

But as you think Obama is a commie...

[dune]

Doesn't even come close to the amount of control the British Government has over it's subjects.....Not even remotely......We're worlds apart these days

 

The fact you think it does, tells me you either have no idea how things work in the US ( not unreasonable) or you really haven't cottoned on to the amount the British State now control's and monitors every aspect of your life......which pretty much confirms my point above

 

Britain has become a truly scary place for anyone who has even the slightest regard for personal liberties.

 

If i were in your shoes, I'd be spending my energy trying to regain some my freedoms, rather than lashing out at anyone who happens to highlight the problem

 

CCTV is used more in the UK than any other nation on Earth, and it's a sad state of affairs, but ultimately it's necessary due to the levels of anti social behaviour caused by the feral yobs. You can argue that cameras don't get to the route of the problem - bad parenting or lack of parenting, but CCTV is needed to protect the majority of law abiding citizens. You only have to look to football to see the positive effect CCTV has had in driving loutish behaviour away from stadiums, and the positive effect filming the yobs has had on detering anti social behaviour in town centres.

 

However CCTV will not fix the problem. In fact i'm not sure the problem can be fixed in such an atheist country where no spiritual code of morality exists.

 

My solution would be to build more prisons and lock the yobs up. Currently we do not have the capacity to lock more people up or increase sentences. The louts need taking out of circulation because there is no detterent to them while they know all they are likely to get is a slap on the wrist. That all said prisons cost money so we need to combine the creation of extra capacity with making prisons economically profitable businesses. Prisoners are generally young male adults and should be put to work.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

CCTV is used more in the UK than any other nation on Earth, and it's a sad state of affairs, but ultimately it's necessary due to the levels of anti social behaviour caused by the feral yobs. You can argue that cameras don't get to the route of the problem - bad parenting or lack of parenting, but CCTV is needed to protect the majority of law abiding citizens. You only have to look to football to see the positive effect CCTV has had in driving loutish behaviour away from stadiums, and the positive effect filming the yobs has had on detering anti social behaviour in town centres.

 

However CCTV will not fix the problem. In fact i'm not sure the problem can be fixed in such an atheist country where no spiritual code of morality exists.

 

My solution would be to build more prisons and lock the yobs up. Currently we do not have the capacity to lock more people up or increase sentences. The louts need taking out of circulation because there is no detterent to them while they know all they are likely to get is a slap on the wrist. That all said prisons cost money so we need to combine the creation of extra capacity with making prisons economically profitable businesses. Prisoners are generally young male adults and should be put to work.

 

Where would you build your prisons? On green belt land? We should be building more homes, hospitals and schools long before we should be building prisons. CCTV in this country just adds to the PURELY ILLUSIONAL feeling of safety that is an offshot of the society of fear that the tabloids have whipped up. "There are more CCTV cameras, we MUST be more safe?"..."We have built more prisons, therefore there MUST be less criminals to worry about".

[RonManager]

Half the CCTV cameras are dummies and most of the real ones are of such low quality that they are inadmissable as evidence. A red-herring IMHO.

[Thedelldays]

You are a bit thick if you think no-one has noticed. The problem is a lot of people are actually happy about it. I can never quite fathom these people. Delldays is one. He would be quite happy for someone from the government to follow him around all day, I expect.

here we go again..

 

you dont think along the same lines as me so you must be thick...same old bungle

[RonManager]

Delldays is one. He would be quite happy for someone from the government to follow him around all day, I expect.

 

Sssh - you'll blow my cover.

 

Oh, now I've lost him again!

[View From The Top]

here we go again..

 

you dont think along the same lines as me so you must be thick...same old bungle

 

TBF you don't appear to be the sharpest tool in the box at times and change your opinion as quickly at the West Country weather.

[View From The Top]

In fact i'm not sure the problem can be fixed in such an atheist country where no spiritual code of morality exists.

 

God is clearly the answer, just like in the very spiritual USofA.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

CCTV is used more in the UK than any other nation on Earth, and it's a sad state of affairs, but ultimately it's necessary due to the levels of anti social behaviour caused by the feral yobs. You can argue that cameras don't get to the route of the problem - bad parenting or lack of parenting, but CCTV is needed to protect the majority of law abiding citizens. You only have to look to football to see the positive effect CCTV has had in driving loutish behaviour away from stadiums, and the positive effect filming the yobs has had on detering anti social behaviour in town centres.

 

If you honestly think that is the case then you are deluding yourself.

 

CCTV cameras in Britain (we have 1% of the world's population and 20% of the world's CCTV) are purely to serve the wishes of a Big-Brother government. In conjunction with GCHQ, virtually everything we do or say is being monitored.

 

May I suggest you read up on 'The State of Fear' which describes successive governments' attempts (successful) to subjugate the populace. A frightened community is an easily managed community.

 

Look at the different "global threats" we have had in the few decades since WWII.

 

The Cold War

International Terrorism

BSE

Bird Flu

AIDS

The Ozone Layer

Global Warming

Swine Flu

 

The reality is that none of these have come remotely close to causing the deaths by, say, malaria every year, yet we are continually being subjected to a media campaign designed to terrify us.

 

The man in the street is no more likely to die from any of the above than he is from being hit by a car. Yet we are led to believe that we are on the threshold of disaster.

 

The reality is that we no longer have any privacy. And we are being kept in our place.

 

Liberal Democracy? Not a chance.

[Saint George]

The problem is, its way way more than just CCTV....That's just the tip of the Iceberg

 

Step back and take a look at all the new 'Control' type laws that have slowly been 'filtering' into effect over the last 12 years....

 

There's fastidiously enforced State control now, for just about everything you do...even at the expense of the enforcement of common criminal law.

 

Theres a saying over here and although not technically correct, it does sum up the State of modern Britain really well

 

"In the US, you cant do something if there's a law that says you can't.

 

In the UK, you cant do something unless there's a law that says you can.

[benjii]

I reccommend Isaiah Berlin's "Two Concepts of Liberty" as an interesting examination of this area.

[Thedelldays]

If you honestly think that is the case then you are deluding yourself.

 

CCTV cameras in Britain (we have 1% of the world's population and 20% of the world's CCTV) are purely to serve the wishes of a Big-Brother government. In conjunction with GCHQ, virtually everything we do or say is being monitored.

 

May I suggest you read up on 'The State of Fear' which describes successive governments' attempts (successful) to subjugate the populace. A frightened community is an easily managed community.

 

Look at the different "global threats" we have had in the few decades since WWII.

 

The Cold War

International Terrorism

BSE

Bird Flu

AIDS

The Ozone Layer

Global Warming

Swine Flu

 

The reality is that none of these have come remotely close to causing the deaths by, say, malaria every year, yet we are continually being subjected to a media campaign designed to terrify us.

 

The man in the street is no more likely to die from any of the above than he is from being hit by a car. Yet we are led to believe that we are on the threshold of disaster.

 

The reality is that we no longer have any privacy. And we are being kept in our place.

 

Liberal Democracy? Not a chance.

 

isnt the world run by the Bilderberg Group....?

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0369

 

that or the royal family are actually lizards

[EastleighSoulBoy]

 

Not as loony left as I thought!

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Where are the usual BNP posters? maybe the questions were too difficult for them?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

here we go again..

 

you dont think along the same lines as me so you must be thick...same old bungle

tbf you do seem to change your opinion alot and don't always seem to understand politics.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

 

add me to your thing please

[Johnny Bognor]

WTF am I doing?

 

Posting this crap on a friday night.

 

 

[aintforever]

Hats off to Rattlehead for being the World's only Right Wing Libertarian!