Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Is it me? I think we have been playing a sort of front three behind Lambert with players popping up all over the place - but not specifically in a position like right/left wing. Hence Lallana scoring from ther middle and the left on Saturday. And Papa missing from the left and then scoring from the right. I heard this formation described during the West Brom/Preston game by our old mate Tim Flowers and that's exactly what it looks like to me we're playing. Regular viewers will know I know feck all about formations... so anyone who can put my strained tactical nous to rest would be appreciated!
RedAndWhite91 Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Waigo-------------Lallana --------Lambert--------- Waigo was very much a wide right player against Gillingham, but Lallana did get central. You could be right about rotating but Waigo was almost always down the right flank.
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 Fabrice Fernandes? hahahahahahah. Old Crop Circles himself. Nice one.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 The formation on Saturday was... Davis James Trotman Jaidi Harding Wotton Hammond Mellis Papa Waigo Lallana Lambert
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 The formation on Saturday was... Davis James Trotman Jaidi Harding Wotton Hammond Mellis Papa Waigo Lallana Lambert Mellis and Lallana other side surely? I had Waigo in front of me first half most of the time! And Mellis was definitely not in front of me!
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Mellis and Lallana other side surely? I had Waigo in front of me first half most of the time! And Mellis was definitely not in front of me! You were playing for Gillingham?
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Mellis and Lallana other side surely? I had Waigo in front of me first half most of the time! And Mellis was definitely not in front of me! Lallana was mainly on the left as I said and Papa Waigo mainly on the right.
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 Lallana was mainly on the left as I said and Papa Waigo mainly on the right. I reckon they must be swapping about then.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I reckon they must be swapping about then. They did a few times during the game briefly but in general they remained on one side(Lallana left, Papa Waigo right).
Alright Dave Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 (edited) I reckon they must be swapping about then. It's very simple, mon fils : You bring your left wing in, you put your right wing out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about, do the Pardew shuffle and you turn around, that's what it's all about !! Oh ...... Oh...... repeat to fade..... Edited 5 October, 2009 by Alright Dave Sent by Eurosaint on Alright_dave's computer !
AlfredKo Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 The formation on Saturday was... Davis James Trotman Jaidi Harding Wotton Hammond Mellis Papa Waigo Lallana Lambert If you are right, then given that Schneiderlin can replace that Chelsea loanee plus James to replace Wotton, we have the very best midfield in this division.
S-Clarke Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 This is what Jan tried to do last season, but with the wrong players and with no ''positional tactical sense''. In an attacking sense, when it worked last year, we looked bloody good - but it didn't work often enough. The big differences this year that makes this formation work so much better is the inclusion of a big, experienced, goal scoring target man in Lambo - and an experienced quality central midfielder in hammond. We had Gillet and Mcgoldrick playing those roles last year. And there lied the problem.
adelfas31 Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 The only problem with this formation is that everything is coming from the right. Neither Lallana nor Mellis want to go near the left touchline and thus Harding is prevented from getting forward as he has no wide support in front and then little help defending when we loose the ball. Against BR and Gillingham, everything came from the right or down the middle. Presumably clubs will quickly suss this out and clog up the right hand side - where will we be then?
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 The only problem with this formation is that everything is coming from the right. Neither Lallana nor Mellis want to go near the left touchline and thus Harding is prevented from getting forward as he has no wide support in front and then little help defending when we loose the ball. Against BR and Gillingham, everything came from the right or down the middle. Presumably clubs will quickly suss this out and clog up the right hand side - where will we be then? 4th goal came from Lallana cutting inside from the left, from a move that started down the right. So my guess is that Pardew has said if one flank is blocked off switch play and come in from the other side?? I agree though, Harding is struggling to get forward if there is no one he can rely on to cover him.
derry Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 The only problem with this formation is that everything is coming from the right. Neither Lallana nor Mellis want to go near the left touchline and thus Harding is prevented from getting forward as he has no wide support in front and then little help defending when we loose the ball. Against BR and Gillingham, everything came from the right or down the middle. Presumably clubs will quickly suss this out and clog up the right hand side - where will we be then? Got it in one;)
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 You can agrue about formations from now to kingdom come but the real difference was we took more of our chances last Saturday .
dubai_phil Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 If this is to be the case good job I won't get to many games this season.... Hell I have trouble with rotating doors, let alone wingers
AlfredKo Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 This is what Jan tried to do last season, but with the wrong players and with no ''positional tactical sense''. In an attacking sense, when it worked last year, we looked bloody good - but it didn't work often enough. The big differences this year that makes this formation work so much better is the inclusion of a big, experienced, goal scoring target man in Lambo - and an experienced quality central midfielder in hammond. We had Gillet and Mcgoldrick playing those roles last year. And there lied the problem. Very true. Last season apart from Rudi Skacel, I don't think we have high quality wide players but he was only used as left back. I never trust Lee, Thompson, Gobern. In my opinion, Rasiak and Stern John are up for the lone striker role but again they were never being given chances to play there.
del boy Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Fabrice Fernandes? Excellent, the name that sprang to my mind also. Old Kev Keegan could do a mean 360 in his day also :smt119
Clifford Nelson Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 This is what Jan tried to do last season, but with the wrong players and with no ''positional tactical sense''. In an attacking sense, when it worked last year, we looked bloody good - but it didn't work often enough. The big differences this year that makes this formation work so much better is the inclusion of a big, experienced, goal scoring target man in Lambo - and an experienced quality central midfielder in hammond. We had Gillet and Mcgoldrick playing those roles last year. And there lied the problem. 4-3-3 is an offensive plan which doesn't rely on wingers. If you play them they need to be flexible and take responsibility for getting into the box as well as staying wide and delivering crosses. It needs skilful players either way. Last year, just like you point out, we didn't have the skill and experience to do more than to make it look pretty at times. Efficient it wasn't. I am impressed by AP to have entered that way of thinking when it had turned into an anathema for the club. Memories of Portvliet and the nameless chairman comes to mind. This time it worked. It gave Lallana the freedom to express himself, Lambert a feeling of not being alone and for Papa Waigo it must have been like Italy all over again. He didn't have a problem with it which I had expected him to have playing RM in a 4-4-2. Mellis as well seemed to feel that he had something to contribute and Hammond thrived. Wotton did the best job he has ever done for us. I loved it and hope to see us become confident in playing it. The flexibility it affords us is to play 4-5-1 away from home or when we want to shut up shop.
Chez Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I am amazed at the number of people that went to the game but couldn't see that we played three in the middle, Wotton holding and Hammond/Mellis pushing on. Lambert played up front and Waigo right wing and Lallana left wing. Lallana certainly had freedom to roam a little but he played left wing.
Matthew Le God Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I am amazed at the number of people that went to the game but couldn't see that we played three in the middle, Wotton holding and Hammond/Mellis pushing on. Lambert played up front and Waigo right wing and Lallana left wing. Lallana certainly had freedom to roam a little but he played left wing. Exactly what I said then
Chez Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Exactly what I said then yep, just backing you up as some seem to disagree. Weird.
AlfredKo Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I am amazed at the number of people that went to the game but couldn't see that we played three in the middle, Wotton holding and Hammond/Mellis pushing on. Lambert played up front and Waigo right wing and Lallana left wing. Lallana certainly had freedom to roam a little but he played left wing. I did not go to the game. But do you think Schneiderlin and L James replacing that Chelsea loanee and Wotton will enable our midfield to be stronger and with more creativity? Don't think Wotton and that Chelsea loanee is that popular with the fans and also they are not that good players, are they?
krissyboy31 Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I did not go to the game. But do you think Schneiderlin and L James replacing that Chelsea loanee and Wotton will enable our midfield to be stronger and with more creativity? Don't think Wotton and that Chelsea loanee is that popular with the fans and also they are not that good players, are they? What is wrong with using Mellis's name and yes, until Saturday I hadn't been that impressed by him (he's 18 years old FFS) but he was much better against Gills and was unlucky not to score when he hit the post and made both of Lallana's goals. With everyone fit I wouldn't have Wotton nor James in the team let alone as the CM engine room. They certainly wouldn't be more creative.
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 What is wrong with using Mellis's name and yes, until Saturday I hadn't been that impressed by him (he's 18 years old FFS) but he was much better against Gills and was unlucky not to score when he hit the post and made both of Lallana's goals. With everyone fit I wouldn't have Wotton nor James in the team let alone as the CM engine room. They certainly wouldn't be more creative. I thought he was pretty good against Bristol Rovers to be fair. He took flack for their goals but according to the tactics was probably only as equally at fault as Lallana?? He was good on Saturday. Like you say, a young man coming into his own. Let's hope he keeps it up!!!
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 October, 2009 Author Posted 5 October, 2009 I am amazed at the number of people that went to the game but couldn't see that we played three in the middle, Wotton holding and Hammond/Mellis pushing on. Lambert played up front and Waigo right wing and Lallana left wing. Lallana certainly had freedom to roam a little but he played left wing. Honestly, if you had asked me, I wouldn't have known who was playing left side!! Lol. I think I'm showing the same confusion as the Gillingham defence!!!!
Clifford Nelson Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 I am amazed at the number of people that went to the game but couldn't see that we played three in the middle, Wotton holding and Hammond/Mellis pushing on. Lambert played up front and Waigo right wing and Lallana left wing. Lallana certainly had freedom to roam a little but he played left wing. Yes, it's as if they can accept that we were playing 4-3-3. And then I read that Papa Waigo spent most of the time on the left. This is worrying. Is it the beer at SMS?
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