Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Statement from AP - “There is no big fanfare about him and the fans shouldn’t expect too much and we’ll just see how we get on.” Sounds amazing!! lol Yeah, WTF is our clueless manager doing using the loan system to get a first hand look at a player who impressed him a few weeks ago.
Sour Mash Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 A statement of intent from AP, signing a youngster on loan when he has already stated he has too much dross on the books? Time for some to be shipped out, to whatever level they should be playing at. Like who though? Can't think of too many apart from the really obvious.....
SaintRobbie Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 There does seem to be a big Reading connection to most things these days. Bit of a strange one though especially as it's only for a month. *coughs* Steve Coppell... ?
Bailey Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Pardew has said he's just going to take a look at him so we'll see what happens. No harm in getting him in to see if he's got what it takes. If it doesn't work out, he'll go back to Reading, end of story.
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Like who though? Can't think of too many apart from the really obvious..... Gillett, Forecast, Bialkowski, Molyneux, Lancashire, Saville, Boyle, Pulis. Pardew wants rid of all these IMO, and I have to agree. I'm a little torn about Gillett, but he has been shocking so far this season - perhaps he was just the best of a bad bunch last year.
Sour Mash Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Gillett, Forecast, Bialkowski, Molyneux, Lancashire, Saville, Boyle, Pulis. Pardew wants rid of all these IMO, and I have to agree. I'm a little torn about Gillett, but he has been shocking so far this season - perhaps he was just the best of a bad bunch last year. Ha! Good answer! I'd probably agree with that list to be honest.
sandwichsaint Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Not sure we will be seeing him in the starting X1: if it ain't broke don't fix it! We scored 4 from open play on Saturday, Waigo was effective going forward and put in a decent shift defensively, we have 'finally' found somewhere for Lallana to play, Lambert looked awesome on Saturday, Mellis much improved ... I don't think AP will throw all that away for an unproven 19 year old reserve, will he? Guess he will join the squad for a couple of weeks training and maybe a couple of reserve starts, if we do see him in the first team guess it will on the bench in an 'impact' role. He's not currently anywhere near a struggling Reading team, he's probably more a Ryan Smith than a Ryan Giggs (tho' to be fair Pardew has done v. well with his signings so far).
niceandfriendly Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Gillett, Forecast, Bialkowski, Molyneux, Lancashire, Saville, Boyle, Pulis. Pardew wants rid of all these IMO, and I have to agree. I'm a little torn about Gillett, but he has been shocking so far this season - perhaps he was just the best of a bad bunch last year. No, Gillett hasn't been shocking. He's made just two short substitute appearances and in neither was he "shocking". Also I doubt Pardew wants to get rid of both Forecast and Bialkowski as that would leave us with one goalkeeper in the squad as Poke is on loan at Torquay.
the saint in winchester Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Gillett, Forecast, Bialkowski, Molyneux, Lancashire, Saville, Boyle, Pulis. Pardew wants rid of all these IMO, and I have to agree. I'm a little torn about Gillett, but he has been shocking so far this season - perhaps he was just the best of a bad bunch last year. Are you just plucking names out of a hat? Ever go to Staplewood and see any reserve games? Molly plays really well with Holmes down the left side. Jack Saville is solid, Boyle looks ok. Neither of the keepers dominate but they are probably adequate reserves, as is Gillett and Lancashire. My only confusion is that I don't see why AP is bringing in other clubs' youngsters when we have our own. Calum McNish, for one, looks like he could break through, given the chance. But we seem to be back to "too many mouths to feed" as in previous seasons.
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 No, Gillett hasn't been shocking. He's made just two short substitute appearances and in neither was he "shocking". Also I doubt Pardew wants to get rid of both Forecast and Bialkowski as that would leave us with one goalkeeper in the squad as Poke is on loan at Torquay. Davis, Pernecky and Poke out on loan is fine for me.
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Are you just plucking names out of a hat? Ever go to Staplewood and see any reserve games? Molly plays really well with Holmes down the left side. Jack Saville is solid, Boyle looks ok. Neither of the keepers dominate but they are probably adequate reserves, as is Gillett and Lancashire. My only confusion is that I don't see why AP is bringing in other clubs' youngsters when we have our own. Calum McNish, for one, looks like he could break through, given the chance. But we seem to be back to "too many mouths to feed" as in previous seasons. No. They are players who are not good enough for the first team now, and when they ARE ready for first team action we will hopefully be in the CCC aiming for promotion, so they will not be good enough then.
slickmick Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 There does seem to be a big Reading connection to most things these days. Bit of a strange one though especially as it's only for a month. mmmm... paving the way for a director of football maybe.
Saint_clark Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Pardew and Wilkins were at Reading together, weren't they?
John Boy Saint Posted 5 October, 2009 Posted 5 October, 2009 Maybe Pards is keeping everyone in the side on their toes with a suprise loanee "to threaten" those getting comfy before January comes around. One thing is for certain we are going to have to change the size of shape of the Matchday Programme as we are in danger of running out of space for the squad on the back. ;-)
oxfordshire_saint Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 *coughs* Steve Coppell... ? The player himself said that Wally Downes knows him and Pardew said he watched him when he was playing non-league and was also impressed with him in the ressie match last month. The Coppell connection is just clutching at straws.
Verbal Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 No, Gillett hasn't been shocking. He's made just two short substitute appearances and in neither was he "shocking". Also I doubt Pardew wants to get rid of both Forecast and Bialkowski as that would leave us with one goalkeeper in the squad as Poke is on loan at Torquay. We'll have to think very carefully about whose career we want to curse with next season's player sponsorship.
chrisobee Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Guess he will join the squad for a couple of weeks training and maybe a couple of reserve starts, if we do see him in the first team guess it will on the bench in an 'impact' role. He's not currently anywhere near a struggling Reading team, he's probably more a Ryan Smith than a Ryan Giggs (tho' to be fair Pardew has done v. well with his signings so far). Which is pretty much what Pardew has said TBH !
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 mmmm... paving the way for a director of football maybe. Well Coppell's 6-month self-imposed sabbatical is nearly up.
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Statement from AP - “There is no big fanfare about him and the fans shouldn’t expect too much and we’ll just see how we get on.” Sounds amazing!! lol I'm somewhat shocked that Pardew has been here for months and he still doesn't know how to communicate properly with the posters on this forum. What he should have said was: "For those of you who get too excited about the players we sign, calm down and accept that he's a low-risk signing who I'll probably bring on here and there as a quick sub late in the game. For those of you who are just going to split hairs about any signing I make and who are ready to slit your wrists because I haven't signed Ronaldo, take a breath, stop over-analysing everything I say and give him a chance as he's better than you think. For the rest of you, please just go off down the pub while everyone else grossly exaggerates the other side's points to force an argument before everything degenerates into a slanging match".
Professor Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Pardew's coment on the OS says it all - that Antonio is a player they are watching and could be interested in signing at some point in the future. The difference is that taking him on loan for a few weeks is better way of assessing a prospect and ultimately involves less risk. It is more expensive but it looks like Pards has a scouting budget that can cover things like this.
ribbo Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 I'm somewhat shocked that Pardew has been here for months and he still doesn't know how to communicate properly with the posters on this forum. What he should have said was: "For those of you who get too excited about the players we sign, calm down and accept that he's a low-risk signing who I'll probably bring on here and there as a quick sub late in the game. For those of you who are just going to split hairs about any signing I make and who are ready to slit your wrists because I haven't signed Ronaldo, take a breath, stop over-analysing everything I say and give him a chance as he's better than you think. For the rest of you, please just go off down the pub while everyone else grossly exaggerates the other side's points to force an argument before everything degenerates into a slanging match". Pardew should give you a job, you know your subject matter very very well
sandwichsaint Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Which is pretty much what Pardew has said TBH ! Great minds and all that! I hadn't actually read what Pardew said, that was just my take in response to those that rushed to say, 'Great! A new right winger! We can move Waigo into the middle now! etc etc.' Why would we want to do that? Glad to see that we won't be doing that; roll on Friday night, how many have we sold?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 No chance of a lift in tomorrow night then Afraid not neighbour-mind you, would love to have money to pop back for game & then head back out here!!!
spank_182 Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Doesnt sound like he did too well in his debut, subbed off at half time!
Arizona Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 I thought he looked decent. Yes he overhit crosses, but had pace to burn and made things happen dragging players out of possition. He did only have the one player to aim at, so when Lambert wasn't in a scoring possition, all he could really do was whack it in hard and hope it was deflected for a corner or half cleared to a Saints player. Lump of unpolished coal, but promising IMO. Pace to burn.
St Marco Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Very fast kid. Did one really cracking cross that was unlucky for nobody to turn in. But also a lot of wasted crosses. Very raw and needs to learn to make the right call but that only comes with experience. A good prospect for the future.
Deanovski Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 crosses werent that bad...just id rather have papa on right cos he was wasted on left, still not sure about him upfront.
jam Posted 6 October, 2009 Posted 6 October, 2009 Looked promising but no real understanding with the players around him. This game came to early for him IMO. Needed to come off as we needed to sort our team out and it wasn't the time for bedding in newbies.
The9 Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Crossed better than Lloyd James. Unlucky to be replaced at half time. Short, fast, less random than Waigo, seemed reluctant to shoot the one time he got in the box, but looked decent enough. Nevertheless, seems to me to have been signed purely to give Lallana a rest for that game.
Clifford Nelson Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 No, Gillett hasn't been shocking. He's made just two short substitute appearances and in neither was he "shocking". Also I doubt Pardew wants to get rid of both Forecast and Bialkowski as that would leave us with one goalkeeper in the squad as Poke is on loan at Torquay. Amongst those players there is only Gillett and Bart who would generate interest from other clubs. Why would anybody be interested in players who can't get themselves even on the fringes of a L1 team? The horrifying truth is that NC and ML will have to look at the expense of buying out their contracts. Another legacy from last year to contend with.
Clifford Nelson Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 And by the way, Antonio. For a dedicated winger his crosses were very poor, and if he had all the pace people seem to have spotted, then why didn't he knock it and run? He looked what he is, that is a non-league winger who has never played anything else but a rigid 4-4-2. Maybe being brought to start a competitive game the day after he arrived was too daunting. Maybe AP can see that he can develop. But was he good yesterday? Oh no, he wasn't.
derry Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Another one that hasn't a clue about positional play. He didn't know when to drop off, make angles or go for the byeline, he was wide for about 15 mins when we had our best spell, then was sucked inside. He had no idea about holding off on the blindside, the worst thing about him was hitting crosses without looking. He certainly didn't give us the width we need and having to move Waigo to a position that neutered him so that he could be accommodated was rediculous, especially so, as it was crying out for Holmes to be given a game on our left. Needs a lot of work and there is no evidence we have anybody to teach him.
eelpie Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Reports on Antonio seem to be mixed, and somewhat remind me of descriptions of early appearances by Kenwyne Jones, then a fast promising athlete but inexperienced on the pitch. Anyone agree? (I couldn't attend the game and see him play so excuse if this is an absurd question)
derry Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Reports on Antonio seem to be mixed, and somewhat remind me of descriptions of early appearances by Kenwyne Jones, then a fast promising athlete but inexperienced on the pitch. Anyone agree? (I couldn't attend the game and see him play so excuse if this is an absurd question) Compact, fit, quickish, scraps for the ball, showed touches but has no idea how to be effective. You may be right.
RonManager Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Compact, fit, quickish, scraps for the ball, showed touches but has no idea how to be effective. You may be right. Needs to pull his socks up (see what I did there)? Actually thought he did well and would try him again son.
The9 Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Reports on Antonio seem to be mixed, and somewhat remind me of descriptions of early appearances by Kenwyne Jones, then a fast promising athlete but inexperienced on the pitch. Anyone agree? (I couldn't attend the game and see him play so excuse if this is an absurd question) No. Kenwyne was a massively built, fast, flexible athlete with a great touch but obvious inexperience in easily coached areas (like getting in the 6 yard box for finishing rather than hanging about 40 yards from goal). This guy is a short, stocky, van Gobbel-alike (though much thinner) who has already found his approximate level and has had plenty of coaching already. He might have a role, but I do really think he's been brought in to give Lallana a rest and that's all. We might keep him for another month, but that would be because in November we have FA Cup R1 and JPT QF in the same week.
Saint_clark Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 No. Kenwyne was a massively built, fast, flexible athlete with a great touch but obvious inexperience in easily coached areas (like getting in the 6 yard box for finishing rather than hanging about 40 yards from goal). This guy is a short, stocky, van Gobbel-alike (though much thinner) who has already found his approximate level and has had plenty of coaching already. He might have a role, but I do really think he's been brought in to give Lallana a rest and that's all. We might keep him for another month, but that would be because in November we have FA Cup R1 and JPT QF in the same week. Not to nit-pick, but his first touch was awful in his first full season (05/06).
cynicalsaint Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 does his loan coincide with Mellis being away with the U20's? Just a thought.
Arizona Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Not to nit-pick, but his first touch was awful in his first full season (05/06). Anyone remember the Derby home game that season? It was Ostlund and Madsen's debut and a truly awful 0-0. Worst performance I have ever seen from a Saints player, and I've seen Darren Powell. Couldn't trap a bag of cement.
Bailey Posted 7 October, 2009 Posted 7 October, 2009 Wasn't too impressed with Antonio's debut but willing to give him another shot. He has pace and works hard, but his delivery and first touch were poor throughout. A little unlucky to be substituted at half-time too.
Saint_clark Posted 8 October, 2009 Posted 8 October, 2009 Why is it that Saints fans seem to judge all players on the same basis, ignoring whether they are 18 years old still learning their trade or 28 years old and the best they're ever going to be?
The9 Posted 8 October, 2009 Posted 8 October, 2009 Not to nit-pick, but his first touch was awful in his first full season (05/06). I thought it was well controlled, he just thought it was a good idea to lay the ball 5 yards in front of him a bit too frequently. And he didn't get much of a chance until Sturrock started him up front for Wednesday, did he ? Anyone who saw him against Yeovil, Bournemouth and Anderlecht pre-season in 2006 would say his touch was excellent, and he started that season well before Theo got ahead of him.
The9 Posted 8 October, 2009 Posted 8 October, 2009 Why is it that Saints fans seem to judge all players on the same basis, ignoring whether they are 18 years old still learning their trade or 28 years old and the best they're ever going to be? Probably because in the case of the vast majority of attacking players, the 18 year olds who are good enough are already proven good enough by then. Maturity is much more useful for defensive minded players and goalkeepers, where a considered approach and organisation is more useful than the impetuousity, spontanaeity and creativity of younger, more athletic, more mobile players. Most 28 year olds have also had a couple of injuries which slow them down. look at Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler's careers - sensational as teenagers, already on a downhill slope by mid-twenties. Rooney could well go the same way once his obviously heightened testosterone levels (which are also causing his premature baldness) tail off. There are some gains in experience, but usually only from people who need a lot of coaching and haven't already worked out the obvious stuff when they were a lot younger.
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