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[dune]

You obviously have no respect for women or children. The sort of obscene language chanted by some is an insult and has no place.

 

I'm not being funny but bad language is part of football culture. Just because women and children now attend games doesn't mean we should change to accomodate them. There's a time and a place for swearing and football is the time and the place. In fact it's a good education for the nippers to learn words they can tell their mates at school.

[St. Jason]

You go to the ground because the club allow you. You do not have an inherent right To lose in the first place

 

Ahhhhhhhh

 

typical forum trait. Don't like a response you mist get personal

 

nice one

 

Not getting personal, I just don't get your post :- "You go to the ground because the club allow you. You do not have an inherent right To lose in the first place"

 

Tour making post after post yet not answering anyone's question.

 

Is it right for the club to sell me 2no. season tickets then 4 games into the season be told that I can no longer have the same access to purchasing tickets for friends as the rest of ground??

 

Thats my only gripe, is that right??

[St. Jason]

It would be ideal for us within the ground but I just can't see the police agreeing to the extra hassle for them having to escort the away coaches from the ground that way.

 

Extra hassle that the club may well have to pay for too, btw. And the police aren't cheap.

 

Don't really see why it'd be an issue mate really, by the time all the away fans are loaded on the coaches, the driver checks and counts that everyone that came are back on the majority of home fans are nicely tucked up in a nice warm pub. The coaches then simply leave the Ind Est, turn left then left again at the roundabout past the stadium and up Britannia Road, simple, all gone, no flashpoint as fans merge by the steps in Britannia road, no need to close the north car park, everyone's happy ;-)

[IFHP]

Not getting personal, I just don't get your post :- "You go to the ground because the club allow you. You do not have an inherent right To lose in the first place"

 

Tour making post after post yet not answering anyone's question.

 

Is it right for the club to sell me 2no. season tickets then 4 games into the season be told that I can no longer have the same access to purchasing tickets for friends as the rest of ground??

 

Thats my only gripe, is that right??

 

No, its not right.

 

I am (was) in the same position. I need to buy extra 2 tickes for the MK game for by wife and brother and, like most fans would, like to get them a seat near to me as possable (Itchen block 4) luckily now the club have back tracked and i'm able to. (Though I have not seen this "back tracking" on the offical website yet).

 

The club do not want certain fans to buy tickets in the Itchen North and its nothing to do with re-opening the Kingsland corner.

 

Personally I ignore dulldays. He or she will just post to wind people up, why anyone would want to do that to fellow Saints fans is beyond me.

[rj0912]

Moving the away fans would probably never happen.

 

The ground is purpose built to locate them where they are. depending on numbers the concourse divides can be moved, aligned to the netting, [rpvidingg variable segregation. From what I recall last time I was in the Chapel/Kingsland this isn't the case there.

 

Also you have the police control box directly above the away fans in there present location.

[rj0912]

Sorry that was supposed to be 'providing'!

 

And in 'their' location!

 

its late!

[Wes Tender]

It would be ideal for us within the ground but I just can't see the police agreeing to the extra hassle for them having to escort the away coaches from the ground that way.

 

Extra hassle that the club may well have to pay for too, btw. And the police aren't cheap.

 

As I had said before, the away fans could be funnelled by barriers towards their waiting coaches, the home fans departing via the Kingsland car park. Therefore there would be few if any Saints fans in the industrial estate, apart from those who pay to park there. Compare that with the policing necessary with segregating the two sets of fans exiting the stadium at the same time through the Northam end car park. If anything, Police numbers could possibly be reduced.

 

At the entrance to the industrial estate, the coaches have the choice of either exiting left towards Britannia Road, or right towards the East Street centre.

 

I really don't see the problem at all and nobody has come up yet with a really convincing argument backed with facts against it.

[Noodles34]

You obviously have no respect for women or children. The sort of obscene language chanted by some is an insult and has no place.

 

Yes, i do and if they get offended there is the family centre and kingsland etc, you're really missing the point.

[Thedelldays]

Yes, i do and if they get offended there is the family centre and kingsland etc, you're really missing the point.

 

The poin is that people are complaining they won't be able to bring their small children to this area

[derry]

I'm not being funny but bad language is part of football culture. Just because women and children now attend games doesn't mean we should change to accomodate them. There's a time and a place for swearing and football is the time and the place. In fact it's a good education for the nippers to learn words they can tell their mates at school.

 

Yes, i do and if they get offended there is the family centre and kingsland etc, you're really missing the point.

 

The poin is that people are complaining they won't be able to bring their small children to this area

 

It's not me missing the point. This is one of the main reasons the Itchen is being made ST only, because it is now easy to identify the problem and take the season tickets away, thereby solving the problem in the Itchen.

 

Other sports don't have this problem its just football. Swearing is just a way of allowing slow brains to catch up with the mouth. It adds nothing to the conversation, just shows a lack of discipline and an inability to control the thought processes.

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

Are football fans getting too middle class and up their own rear end, I notice that spurs fans are trying to get chelsea fans banned for singing anti Jewish songs, (considering they call themseleves the Yids)is this how far we have become too precious. as few years it was considered fair game to have a go at anybody and everybody. Now we have to watch our P's and Qs every game. While i wouldnt like to see racist chants return I feel that we are trying to get any atmosphere banned from the stadium, clubs will be handing out sanctioned hymm sheets next.

[derry]

Are football fans getting too middle class and up their own rear end, I notice that spurs fans are trying to get chelsea fans banned for singing anti Jewish songs, (considering they call themseleves the Yids)is this how far we have become too precious. as few years it was considered fair game to have a go at anybody and everybody. Now we have to watch our P's and Qs every game. While i wouldnt like to see racist chants return I feel that we are trying to get any atmosphere banned from the stadium, clubs will be handing out sanctioned hymm sheets next.

 

Football has always been a broad church when it comes to who goes to matches, but it is really only the last couple of generations who have caused football to be a segregated, factionised spectacle.

 

At one time supporters could go where they liked and mixed, supported their clubs with good humour, made loads of noise, respected women and children with a terrific atmosphere.

 

The atmosphere at matches now is poor in comparison. To equate the boorish behaviour of a minority with atmosphere is misleading because probably three quarters of the spectators dislike it and don't want any part of it. That, probably is why most of the ground won't join in with the Northam.

[Pat from Poole]

Football has always been a broad church when it comes to who goes to matches, but it is really only the last couple of generations who have caused football to be a segregated, factionised spectacle.

 

At one time supporters could go where they liked and mixed, supported their clubs with good humour, made loads of noise, respected women and children with a terrific atmosphere.

 

The atmosphere at matches now is poor in comparison. To equate the boorish behaviour of a minority with atmosphere is misleading because probably three quarters of the spectators dislike it and don't want any part of it. That is why most of the ground won't join in with the Northam.

 

 

Runner-up to Nineteen Canteen in "Poster of Sanctimonious drivel" award.

[derry]

Runner-up to Nineteen Canteen in "Poster of Sanctimonious drivel" award.

 

Manners maketh man.

[Chez]

Football has always been a broad church when it comes to who goes to matches, but it is really only the last couple of generations who have caused football to be a segregated, factionised spectacle.

 

At one time supporters could go where they liked and mixed, supported their clubs with good humour, made loads of noise, respected women and children with a terrific atmosphere.

 

 

or

Hooliganism has been associated with football since it began. In the early years of football as a professional sport so called roughs were regularly reported to be causing trouble at matches. The biggest rivalries were, and still are, between clubs from the same city or local area. Trouble was reported at these games as early as the nineteenth century. As well as attacking opposition fans, the roughs used to attack players and referees. After this period, and particularly between the two world wars, football gained a more respectable reputation and crowd violence, although not totally wiped out, started to decline. It was not until the early 1960s that hooliganism once again became a serious problem, particularly in the media. This was expressed as a part of the overriding culture of youth rebellion and moral panic at the time.

[derry]

or

Hooliganism has been associated with football since it began. In the early years of football as a professional sport so called roughs were regularly reported to be causing trouble at matches. The biggest rivalries were, and still are, between clubs from the same city or local area. Trouble was reported at these games as early as the nineteenth century. As well as attacking opposition fans, the roughs used to attack players and referees. After this period, and particularly between the two world wars, football gained a more respectable reputation and crowd violence, although not totally wiped out, started to decline. It was not until the early 1960s that hooliganism once again became a serious problem, particularly in the media. This was expressed as a part of the overriding culture of youth rebellion and moral panic at the time.

 

Such as Belfast Celtic closed after the war, related to Glasgow etc but broadly speaking clubs like Southampton and Portsmouth co-existed without problems. I've been to many matches featuring Saints at Fratton without any problems.

 

As you say it is really since the sixties and probably more like the eighties that the present problems have occurred.

[Noodles34]

It's not me missing the point. This is one of the main reasons the Itchen is being made ST only, because it is now easy to identify the problem and take the season tickets away, thereby solving the problem in the Itchen.

 

Other sports don't have this problem its just football. Swearing is just a way of allowing slow brains to catch up with the mouth. It adds nothing to the conversation, just shows a lack of discipline and an inability to control the thought processes.

 

So theres a problem in The Itchen? Jesus!

[Noodles34]

Lets just take the working class out of football Derry altogether Derry, guess that will sort out any problems

Edited 9 October, 2009 by Noodles34

[OldNick]

Lets just take the working class out of football Derry altogether Derry, guess that will sort out any problems

Are you not disrespecting the the working class.I assume it means that to be working class you go out looking for a fight hurl abuse at all and sundry and shout expletives?

Not in my experience. Most are decent hard working people.

I suggest Derry wants the less savoury to be kept away. The above can be put in many of the other categories, I know a lot of middle class people who could easily fit the bracket.

[thesaint sfc]

Quite right St. Jason, it isn't the law.

 

Football league rules clearly state standing is permitted during states of excitement. I go to football because of the excitement. Who's to tell me when i am or am not excited. Therefore i believe i have the right to stand as and when i feel. The situation is exactly the same in the Itchen North. The back three or four rows all like to stand - obscuring nobody's view, and yet all match we are harangued by stewards which creates tension.It is extremely tedious and really gets peoples backs up. Especially as away fans are clearly permitted to stand throughout the duration. Every other club in the country suffocates the away fans thus giving home teams advantage - all except good old Saints who still take fans for granted despite what we've been through.

 

Sorry to sound dramatic but this issue really grinds my gears!

 

Totally agree with this.

[thesaint sfc]

Not getting personal, I just don't get your post :- "You go to the ground because the club allow you. You do not have an inherent right To lose in the first place"

 

Tour making post after post yet not answering anyone's question.

 

Is it right for the club to sell me 2no. season tickets then 4 games into the season be told that I can no longer have the same access to purchasing tickets for friends as the rest of ground??

 

Thats my only gripe, is that right??

 

Just ignore him. He is clearly trolling. Anyone who could possibly say it doesn't matter where you sit in St Mary's because you get a good view clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. People choose their seats for a few more reasons than the view of the pitch. Thus, they should be allowed to stay in those seats they chose without having 'club policies' changed. They chose those seats based on a number of reasons and by changing club policies its bound to **** people off who sit in that area.

[Torres]

Therefore there would be few if any Saints fans in the industrial estate, apart from those who pay to park there.

 

Thousands of people use that route to get to and from the ground.

 

At the entrance to the industrial estate, the coaches have the choice of either exiting left towards Britannia Road,

 

So after negotiating the tight roads through the industrial estate, the coaches then loop back round, back past the ground?

 

Why on earth would the Police agree to that?

 

nobody has come up yet with a really convincing argument backed with facts against it.

 

Other than that the police will clearly not allow it, you mean?

[Wes Tender]

Thousands of people use that route to get to and from the ground.

 

So after negotiating the tight roads through the industrial estate, the coaches then loop back round, back past the ground?

 

Why on earth would the Police agree to that?

 

Other than that the police will clearly not allow it, you mean?

 

Point 1

So what's to stop those people exiting the ground via the Kingsland car park into Britannia Road and then on to the Woolston Bridge, Ocean Village or wherever they go. If they're heading towards town, then they could go via Northam.

Point 2

These will be the same tight roads that are negotiated daily by big haulage lorries delivering to the industrial units, yes? The fact that they might go past Britannia Road is neither here or there. That's where they leave from currently. Are you insinuating that people would throw missiles at the coaches if they drive past there, but feel no inclination to damage them while they are parked there? Please explain what grounds the Police would have for objecting to that, as it is a mystery to me.

Point 3

Show me the evidence that the Police would not allow it. If it could be organised that the away fans would be chanelled away from the home fans in the way that i have suggested, they ought to welcome the change, instead of the ridiculous situation that currently exists whereby the two groups of fans exit together on to the Northam end car park.

[Torres]

Point 1

So what's to stop those people exiting the ground via the Kingsland car park into Britannia Road and then on to the Woolston Bridge, Ocean Village or wherever they go. If they're heading towards town, then they could go via Northam.

 

You want to block off one of the major routes to and from the ground for home fans?

 

These will be the same tight roads that are negotiated daily by big haulage lorries delivering to the industrial units, yes? The fact that they might go past Britannia Road is neither here or there. That's where they leave from currently. Are you insinuating that people would throw missiles at the coaches if they drive past there, but feel no inclination to damage them while they are parked there? Please explain what grounds the Police would have for objecting to that, as it is a mystery to me.

 

I'm not suggesting the coaches physically couldn't use those roads, of course they could.

 

Do you need me to draw the route they'd have to take? Have a think about it. What do you reckon is easier for the police? To escort the coaches 50 yards up Brittannia Road and onto Northam Road or out through the industrial estate, up Marine Parade and the back onto Brittannia Road? All amongst the thousands of Saints fans leaving the ground.

 

 

Are you insinuating that people would throw missiles at the coaches if they drive past there

 

Of course I f-ing am, because it happens. It's part of why they have an escort in the first place.

 

Show me the evidence that the Police would not allow it.

 

Do you honestly think they'd have no problem with drastically increasing the hassle they have to go through every home game? What planet are you on?

[Scummer]

The other problem with taking the away fans out through the industrial estate is that's where the majority of the club car parking is. Let's face it, there are reasons why the ground was laid out the way it is.

[derry]

Are you not disrespecting the the working class.I assume it means that to be working class you go out looking for a fight hurl abuse at all and sundry and shout expletives?

Not in my experience. Most are decent hard working people.

I suggest Derry wants the less savoury to be kept away. The above can be put in many of the other categories, I know a lot of middle class people who could easily fit the bracket.

 

The club have a problem with standing and subsequent behaviour at the back of block 4. There is also complaints of people buying seats and finding others with tickets for different blocks occupying them.

 

The club in my opinion is resolving those problems. I personally welcome the all season ticket rule in the Itchen blocks 4/5.

[dune]

Such as Belfast Celtic closed after the war, related to Glasgow etc but broadly speaking clubs like Southampton and Portsmouth co-existed without problems. I've been to many matches featuring Saints at Fratton without any problems.

 

As you say it is really since the sixties and probably more like the eighties that the present problems have occurred.

 

You are correct in what you say. I have elderly relations (in their late 70's/early 80's) who used to go to the Dell and to Fratton Park to watch a game of football. Those who claim the loutish behaviour of chavs is part of football are very much mistaken. It's a relatively recent phenomenon and ties in with the troubled state of the nation following a period of Socialist mismanagement of the econony and the end national service.

 

If it was down to me i'd bring back the stocks and put the louts on public display. Either that or brand them.

[Wes Tender]

You want to block off one of the major routes to and from the ground for home fans?

 

If you care to read what I said with a little more attention, I was talking about the fans exiting the ground, not entering it. As it stands at the moment, rival fans are not precluded from getting to the stadium from any direction, yet some fans are denied leaving in a certain direction; ours.

 

I'm not suggesting the coaches physically couldn't use those roads, of course they could.

Well, that was what you implied by mentioning the narrow winding road.

 

Do you need me to draw the route they'd have to take? Have a think about it. What do you reckon is easier for the police? To escort the coaches 50 yards up Brittannia Road and onto Northam Road or out through the industrial estate, up Marine Parade and the back onto Brittannia Road? All amongst the thousands of Saints fans leaving the ground.

 

No, I certainly don't need you to draw the route as I am out and about seeing clients as part of my business on a daily basis, all over the central South and as I live not to far away, I know the area like the back of my hand.

It is futile assessing the best route away from the ground without inputting the information as to where the coaches will be returning. Teams and fans from the West might do well to go up the Avenue, or towards the M271. Coaches travelling back to the East, could go over the Woolston Bridge. The problems are certainly not insurmountable or as straightforward as you believe.

 

Of course I f-ing am, because it happens. It's part of why they have an escort in the first place.

 

Well, as I already pointed out, if somebody feels inclined to throw stones at the coaches, they can do it equally when they are in Britannia Road.

 

Do you honestly think they'd have no problem with drastically increasing the hassle they have to go through every home game? What planet are you on?

 

Same planet as you, actually. You obviously ignored my comments that the Policing could actually be reduced by funelling the two rival groups of fans apart after a match. You're talking about coach problems and ignoring the face to face confrontations between fans, which is where the real troubles start.

[70's Mike]

As I had said before, the away fans could be funnelled by barriers towards their waiting coaches, the home fans departing via the Kingsland car park. Therefore there would be few if any Saints fans in the industrial estate, apart from those who pay to park there. Compare that with the policing necessary with segregating the two sets of fans exiting the stadium at the same time through the Northam end car park. If anything, Police numbers could possibly be reduced.

 

At the entrance to the industrial estate, the coaches have the choice of either exiting left towards Britannia Road, or right towards the East Street centre.

 

I really don't see the problem at all and nobody has come up yet with a really convincing argument backed with facts against it.

 

sorry Wes but half the fans in the Kingsland and Chapel cut through the Industrial estate on their way back into the city centre.

 

the ob always take the coaches over northam bridge to join the M27 at tesco, there is no way they will take them over the Itchen Bridge to crawl up portsmouth road

Edited 9 October, 2009 by 70's Mike

[Wes Tender]

I'm just doing my best to make out a case for shifting the away fans to the opposite corner. If it turns out that there are insurmountable problems with doing that, then if we want to have both ends full with home fans and the away fans shoe-horned into a corner, then the Itchen corner is then the only option, isn't it?

[70's Mike]

I'm just doing my best to make out a case for shifting the away fans to the opposite corner. If it turns out that there are insurmountable problems with doing that, then if we want to have both ends full with home fans and the away fans shoe-horned into a corner, then the Itchen corner is then the only option, isn't it?

 

we can put them where we like amd just lock em in after the game like every other club in the country

[St. Jason]

The club have a problem with standing and subsequent behaviour at the back of block 4. There is also complaints of people buying seats and finding others with tickets for different blocks occupying them.

 

The club in my opinion is resolving those problems. I personally welcome the all season ticket rule in the Itchen blocks 4/5.

 

Then I would personally welcome only season tickets in The Northam as the Northam has by far the worst supporters for satnding during the game. In real terms you have about 20 blokes standing in the Itchen, the back 3 rows where as sometimes the whole Northam is standing.

 

Lets be fair and honest ay, if it's simply to stop standing then start at the heart!

 

Note, do we really want to stop standing anyway?? I went to Southend last night, no stewards on the turnstile as the ticket was scanned, got to the entrance of the stand and was greeted by a steward saying 'just find a seat anywhere mate' we promptly moved 3/4's up the 'stand' and stood FOR THE WHOLE GAME, never once being asked to sit and guess what??? No one was injured and there was no riot! We are after all all adults and as a 38 year old man I've been standing up for 37 years without hurting myself once (we there was that one time after my mates stag night when I tripped in my ape outfit) I can stand, sit, walk and run all by myself, I can even rub my head and belly at the same time ;-)

[St. Jason]

The poin is that people are complaining they won't be able to bring their small children to this area

 

No dell days, yet again you miss the point, the whole point, again! It's about after purchasing 2 season tickets I am told after 4 games into the season that my friends, family, guests and colleagues are no longer permitted to buy tickets to sit next/near me and enjoy a beer at half time together, that's all, nothing more, nothing less, that's the thread, bit I'm sure you'll ignore all that and go back to your own agenda!!!!

[simonsaints1]

Good point St Jason.

The stewarding at Southend was excellent. Very low profile and once in we were left to our own devices.ie Stand, sing and enjoy the game.

Check out some of the you tube footage of the Itchen corner, eg against B.City-saints fans created an intimidating and fantastic atmosphere.(something many B.City fans commented on )-the team clearly responded to that too.

There is no problem with the Itchen so why are the police/club trying to create a sterile little area where their actions and policy has taken the atmosphere away for no reason.

And what is meant by "certain people"-there is netting andsections of empty seats separating us from the away fans so what's the big deal?

[RonManager]

No problem standing at Swindon; no problem standing at Charlton either.

[Noodles34]

Jesus, if people like Derry and DellDays were running football then what a poor atmosphere it would create, as I said before, nothing against people who like to sit down in The Chapel/Kingsland etc, but to take the vocal support out is just pathetic, and thats exactly what you seem to be advocating. You seem to think that there is a problem in The Itchen because the back rows stand and hurl a bit of tribal abuse at the away fans. God forbid you ever go to 'working class' football grounds (please NickH don't judge my opinion of working class, obviously I have no idea of where you fit into things in respect of class, but it is without doubt the working class that created football, have stuck by football and even though they for the last ten years been tried to be eradicated from football, they have still stuck by football and you take the working class out of football then you might as well pick the bloody ball up, just like some certain boy did once, and that was in no east end comp!) like The Den or Upton park or even FP, you won't be able to contain your anger at the atmosphere there.

[Mouldy Coat]

So David Luker, if you read this forum. Can we have an official comment or statement from the club please? What is the latest stance on re-opening the Itchen North?

 

Do you believe that the cost to police it outweighs the benefits of the noise and atmosphere it creates?

 

Are we going to have a silence like the Rupert Lowe days or are the club going to communicate with the fans on this situation. I thought we were going to have full transparency on these things now moving forward?

 

Can you please speak out?

 

We want the Itchen North Corner back!

[Bearsy]

You obviously have no respect for women or children. The sort of obscene language chanted by some is an insult and has no place.

 

I admire your sexism, but Southampton women have moved on since the 50s.

 

They no longer blush in confusion at the report of off-colour language. I kid you not - sometimes they even swear themselves!

[Alain Perrin]

No problem standing at Swindon; no problem standing at Charlton either.

 

There was a problem for the two kids standing in front of me. Had everyone sat down they could have seen that dismal performance.

 

Standing is inevitable, but against the law. I believe safe standing would benefit both the standers, the short arses and the sitters. Until then, by persistently standing, fans inconvenience those behind them, cause stewarding issues/expense and, to some measure, disrespect the 96 lives lost at Hillsborough.

[derry]

I admire your sexism, but Southampton women have moved on since the 50s.

 

They no longer blush in confusion at the report of off-colour language. I kid you not - sometimes they even swear themselves!

 

What the hell has awearing got to do with sexism. Using foul and abusive language isn't smart just ignorant. The women near me obviously hate it and let those that do it know they don't like it and that it's not acceptable. I think they are absolutely right.

[JRM]

What the hell has awearing got to do with sexism. Using foul and abusive language isn't smart just ignorant. The women near me obviously hate it and let those that do it know they don't like it and that it's not acceptable. I think they are absolutely right.

 

 

I bet it is a right laugh where you sit. How long into the game do you wait to start passing round the Werthers Originals?

[Wes Tender]

I bet it is a right laugh where you sit. How long into the game do you wait to start passing round the Werthers Originals?

 

But basically Derry is right in what he says. Swearing to the extent that every other word is f*ck is the domain of those not intelligent enough to express themselves without it. What has it really got to do with whether one enjoys the match or not? I go to watch the football and I enjoy the chanting and the banter as a release, an opportunity to let off steam. If you think that the matchday experience is enhanced by foul and abusive language, that's up to you, but I don't have much respect for those who seem incapable of existing without it.

[OldNick]

So David Luker, if you read this forum. Can we have an official comment or statement from the club please? What is the latest stance on re-opening the Itchen North?

 

Do you believe that the cost to police it outweighs the benefits of the noise and atmosphere it creates?

 

Are we going to have a silence like the Rupert Lowe days or are the club going to communicate with the fans on this situation. I thought we were going to have full transparency on these things now moving forward?

 

Can you please speak out?

 

We want the Itchen North Corner back!

I think you are under a false illusion.The Itchen does not generate an atmpsphere around the grond as the majority of the ground cannot hear you. Yes the away fans can, but as soon as they sing you are drowned out. In fact the singing there has waned so much that it is rare that the Weare the itchen can be heard.

I have sampled the atmosphere in the Itchen and it does rock at times but its effect upon singing the team to victory is secondary to baiting the away fans.

If moving the fans from that area to an area that will increase their vocal suport for the team and at the same time reduce the effect of the away fans as they are not right behind the goal and it can only be good for the team

[Bearsy]

What the hell has awearing got to do with sexism. Using foul and abusive language isn't smart just ignorant. The women near me obviously hate it and let those that do it know they don't like it and that it's not acceptable. I think they are absolutely right.

 

Dude, treating people differently because of their gender is sexism. I.e. swearing in front of men but not in front of women.

 

Chicks are entitled to equal amounts of verbal abuse as men. It's the law.

[derry]

Dude, treating people differently because of their gender is sexism. I.e. swearing in front of men but not in front of women.

 

Chicks are entitled to equal amounts of verbal abuse as men. It's the law.

 

If you would like to check the law of both the land and football, 'foul and abusive language' is an offence.

 

Swearing really isn't clever and shows a person's inability to express thoughts verbally plus a lack of respect for themselves and others by not caring who is present.

[hoozonside10]

If you would like to check the law of both the land and football, 'foul and abusive language' is an offence.

 

Swearing really isn't clever and shows a person's inability to express thoughts verbally plus a lack of respect for themselves and others by not caring who is present.

 

I feel I am reasonably well educated and certainly don't swear in front of anyone if I can help it.... outside the football ground. However, when I'm really 'into' the game and the referee makes - what I believe to be - a horrendous mistake (which, let's face it, is pretty much every game in this league), I give him incredible verbal abuse, using language I would be ashamed of ... outside the ground. And yes, there may be women and/or children nearby, but I don't know - as I am fully concentrating on the game at the time.

 

I'm not proud of it, I just can't help it - call it too much passion!

[Mouldy Coat]

If you would like to check the law of both the land and football, 'foul and abusive language' is an offence.

 

Swearing really isn't clever and shows a person's inability to express thoughts verbally plus a lack of respect for themselves and others by not caring who is present.

 

Derry, I don't often slate people on forums, I like to keep it purely to discussing football, but mate, get back in your f*cking cave!

 

I am intelligent enough to understand if I have young kids around me, then I curb the language, but sit in the family stand if you don't like bad language.

Edited 15 October, 2009 by Mouldy Coat

[Mouldy Coat]

I think you are under a false illusion.The Itchen does not generate an atmpsphere around the grond as the majority of the ground cannot hear you. Yes the away fans can, but as soon as they sing you are drowned out. In fact the singing there has waned so much that it is rare that the Weare the itchen can be heard.

I have sampled the atmosphere in the Itchen and it does rock at times but its effect upon singing the team to victory is secondary to baiting the away fans.

If moving the fans from that area to an area that will increase their vocal suport for the team and at the same time reduce the effect of the away fans as they are not right behind the goal and it can only be good for the team

 

 

Nickh 2009 I would totally agree with you. Promotion push year, totally different story.

[derry]

Derry, I don't often slate people on forums, I like to keep it purely to discussing football, but mate, get back in your f*cking cave!

 

I am intelligent enough to understand if I have young kids around me, then I curb the language, but sit in the family stand if you don't like bad language.

 

I don't give a rat's arse about foul language however a lot of people don't like it and I happen to think they are right.

 

Another thing, just why do you think this thread and the reason for it has happened?

 

I sit in an area that contains a large number of club seats reserved for staff and their families. I know for a fact that there has been a reaction expressed to me about some of the behaviour we have witnessed.

 

Bearing in mind that some of these people have relatives that are connected by work to the very top, I'm not surprised that this has now happened. I was told by one of them weeks ago that it was going to be sorted. It certainly hasn't come from David Luker it is from way above him.

[alehouseboys]

Nickh 2009 I would totally agree with you. Promotion push year, totally different story.

 

Let the revolution begin, Viva Las Itchenistas