Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Really? So all of this "newness" is supposed to gel in a few weeks is it? I don't notice any of that on here, just the same old reactionary nonsense...lose a game in the last minute against on inform team -sack the manager. SFC has had fear written all over it for a number of seasons now, it is part of the fabric of the club. It isn't going to disappear overnight because we have some new faces here. a few weeks...is bloody october ffs.... saying FEAR is part of the fabric of the club is UTTER UTTER ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 why..? charlton, then taking saints down to league 2 would be why..? people were hardly banging his door down in the first place..hence why he is in league 1.....(of which I am pretty glad) but taking saints down to league 2 would pretty much finish him off as a decent manager for a looooong time.. Fine, you obvioulsy don't rate the bloke. There were people on here praying that Mark Hughes would not be our manager, he isn't doing too badly is he? Perhaps the fans are not best judges of who is a good bet and who is not? Pardew has not set the world alight but there are plenty of good reasons why not. If we are still in the same situation come Christmas you might have an argument..but in footballing terms the bloke has only been here for five minutes, give him a chance! It is not as if he has walked into a stable club is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 leeds went on a rampaging run in league 1 and nearly went up from -15.... stockport were also in administration and would be happy to spend £1m in the next 5 years on players...we did that to get a striker... Yep Leeds were apparently just lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 but we keep signing these good players that 20 other clubs above us (who have won more) would dream of having.. while the likes of stockport can win the odd game with no money, no prospects, no confidence..we have to plough more and more money...we will be buying wins at this rate.... Yes a good point perhaps other managers can get the best out of their players while Pardew cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 a few weeks...is bloody october ffs.... saying FEAR is part of the fabric of the club is UTTER UTTER ****e Really? Why can't we hold onto a lead then? Are you telling me this is a strong confident outfit firing on all cylinders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Fine, you obvioulsy don't rate the bloke. There were people on here praying that Mark Hughes would not be our manager, he isn't doing too badly is he? Perhaps the fans are not best judges of who is a good bet and who is not? Pardew has not set the world alight but there are plenty of good reasons why not. If we are still in the same situation come Christmas you might have an argument..but in footballing terms the bloke has only been here for five minutes, give him a chance! It is not as if he has walked into a stable club is it? For every excuse there is 2 reasons why we should be doing better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Yep Leeds were apparently just lucky! look at rovers...they lost their main man...their best player to US...they could not even comprehend competing..hey they have picked themselves right up and gone for it... we lose our "best player" as we have to have a period of consolidation and excuses... there was a thread a while ago questioning the mentality of the club etc.. you only have to look at the fans who strive for mediocracy and anyone who wants/expects the club to produce more all the time (ie, bettering themselves) is called negative or unrealistic.. even if we dont sign another player..he have a squad of players that SHOULD be waaay up the league...not fighting it out with john barnes' tranmere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Really? Why can't we hold onto a lead then? Are you telling me this is a strong confident outfit firing on all cylinders? You need to ask AP this question - trust me the answer wont be "we had no pre season" or "we were in admin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 look at rovers...they lost their main man...their best player to US...they could not even comprehend competing..hey they have picked themselves right up and gone for it... we lose our "best player" as we have to have a period of consolidation and excuses... there was a thread a while ago questioning the mentality of the club etc.. you only have to look at the fans who strive for mediocracy and anyone who wants/expects the club to produce more all the time (ie, bettering themselves) is called negative or unrealistic.. even if we dont sign another player..he have a squad of players that SHOULD be waaay up the league...not fighting it out with john barnes' tranmere The mentality of some of our fans is a joke - the best bit is they call us 'negative' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 You need to ask AP this question - trust me the answer wont be "we had no pre season" or "we were in admin" one thing that I like about pardew (unlike many on here) he is quick to say it when things were not good enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 one thing that I like about pardew (unlike many on here) he is quick to say it when things were not good enough.... I'm starting to think he only has one phrase thou - heard that sentence from AP 9 times this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 You need to ask AP this question - trust me the answer wont be "we had no pre season" or "we were in admin" Do you really think that we went into this season well prepared? Do you think we come into this season full of confidence? We were a club in turmoil and we are still in transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 one thing that I like about pardew (unlike many on here) he is quick to say it when things were not good enough.... So is he going to lead us to Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 For every excuse there is 2 reasons why we should be doing better Why should we be doing better? For the same reason that we "should" have gone up when we spent £7m? Tell that to the Ipswich fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Do you really think that we went into this season well prepared? Do you think we come into this season full of confidence? We were a club in turmoil and we are still in transition. so were other clubs.. charlton, norwich, stockport, bristol rovers (to a lesser extent)... all clubs in the lower leagues have problems... we just have a turning circle of a super tanker everytime we hit one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 So is he going to lead us to Championship? that is my hope...but should he lead us to league 2 it wont be because we had no pre season..it will be because he could not cut it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Do you really think that we went into this season well prepared? Do you think we come into this season full of confidence? We were a club in turmoil and we are still in transition. I think you are making excuses most teams relegated have gone through some sort of turmoil but others in all leagues are doing a lot better as Delldays has said Add Newcastle and Middlesboro West Brom to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 that is my hope...but should he lead us to league 2 it wont be because we had no pre season..it will be because he could not cut it.... If we dont get relegated what then? Thats when I thought would be the time to bring in the new management team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 I think you are making excuses most teams relegated have gone through some sort of turmoil but others in all leagues are doing a lot better as Delldays has said Add Newcastle and Middlesboro West Brom to the list. add colchester...lost their manager, staff, captain and players AFTER the season had started...talk about ripping the heart out of a team after the transfer window had shut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 If we dont get relegated what then? he will keep his job....we have to show signs of a winning team near the end of the season to even be taken seriously of promotion the year after.. scraping safety will NOT be good preparation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 he will keep his job....we have to show signs of a winning team near the end of the season to even be taken seriously of promotion the year after.. scraping safety will NOT be good preparation Exactly that is how I feel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 I think you are making excuses most teams relegated have gone through some sort of turmoil but others in all leagues are doing a lot better as Delldays has said Add Newcastle and Middlesboro West Brom to the list. Didn't these teams keep most of their better players? I am not saying it is a given that if you go through massive disruption you can't bounce back quickly, but what it does do it make the job that much harder. I don't think we have got over relagtion from the Premiership yet. Some clubs get their act togther some don't. We haven't yet and the old scapegoat has long gone so we can't blame him any more. We seem to have this idea that we belong in the Premiership and that by some miracle we will wake up one day and all of this will have been a bad dream. Look round you, it happened to bigger clubs than us too. Why should we be immune? It and old chestnut but the almighty (once upon a time) Leeds feel harder than we did and it has taken them a lot longer to get their act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 he will keep his job....we have to show signs of a winning team near the end of the season to even be taken seriously of promotion the year after.. scraping safety will NOT be good preparation It might not be, but if you start with minus 10 it is a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 It might not be, but if you start with minus 10 it is a reality. i would like to think..with a massively expensive league 1 squad we had the players, staff, manager, resources, facilities (that nearly ALL in league 1...most in the CCC and some in the prem would love to have) would mean we had enough about us to finish comfortably above relegation from -10.. you mentioned leeds above...they got to the playoffs from -15... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 i would like to think..with a massively expensive league 1 squad we had the players, staff, manager, resources, facilities (that nearly ALL in league 1...most in the CCC and some in the prem would love to have) would mean we had enough about us to finish comfortably above relegation from -10.. you mentioned leeds above...they got to the playoffs from -15... But they are still trying to get up. It comes back to what I was saying before. There was no self belief in this club before and it is going to take time to get that back, Pardew or no Pardew. Yes the start to the season has sucked. Yes he and his players (and lets not forget they have the actual reponsibilty of winning matches) have to up their game...but 10 games in.... Facilities don't win matches. Look at Portsmouth, some of the worst anywhere but they won a cup. Remember that movie, If you built it, they will come?" We are (slowly) rebuilding. Hopefully the points will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Facilities don't win matches. Look at Portsmouth, some of the worst anywhere but they won a cup. . but they compensated that by having a wage bill bigger than arsenals.. we have the best facilities and the most money in the league...!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 but they compensated that by having a wage bill bigger than arsenals.. we have the best facilities and the most money in the league...!!!!! Who has the money? Our owner has money, that does not mean that SFC has money. So far I would say that he has kept a Lowelike grip on his wallet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 SoG given that 10 league games have now past - would you agree its time we started winning games? The last 10 games can be excused for pre-season, confidence ect ect but the next 10 (& season) we surely cannot make excuses anymore? 15 points for every 10 games should be the absolute minimum return..... Could you advise your expected return for the next 10 games? just mark W, L or D next to the fixtures October 3 Gillingham (H) 10 Southend (A) 17 Oldham (A) 24 Milton Keynes Dons (H) 31 Leyton Orient (A) November 15 Brighton (H) 21 Norwich (H) 24 Hartlepool (A) December 1 Wycombe (H) 5 Walsall (A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Of course we must start winning games. But if we are going to judge managers after 10 games there would be an awful lot of people looking for work right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 (edited) Who has the money? Our owner has money, that does not mean that SFC has money. So far I would say that he has kept a Lowelike grip on his wallet! but has he..? lambert..he cost as much as the NEXT 3 HIGHEST transfers put together in league 1...and we doubled his wages in one swoop..rovers could not compete.. harding, jaidi...I bet they are on a very good sum for league 1...pardew himself and his staff (2 of which were actually managers in this league) will be on decent money... are you really going to say we are not big spenders for this league already..? with the statement that MORE funds are available for pardew to strengthen in the near future...?? we have spent money this season that the next 5 teams above us would dream of spending BETWEEN THEM in the next 5 years.. jesus... cortese has said time and time again (and i believe it) that NO ONE dictates our business anymore...we do that... who else in league 1 could claim that..?....errrr Edited 3 October, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 but has he..? lambert..he cost as much as the NEXT 3 HIGHEST transfers put together in league 1...and we doubled his wages in one swoop..rovers could not compete.. harding, jaidi...I bet they are on a very good sum for league 1...pardew himself and his staff (2 of which were actually managers in this league) will be on decent money... are you really going to say we are not big spenders for this league already..? with the statement that MORE funds are available for pardew to strengthen in the near future...?? we have spent money this season that the next 5 teams above us would dream of spending BETWEEN THEM in the next 5 years.. jesus... cortese has said time and time again (and i believe it) that NO ONE dictates our business anymore...we do that... who else in league 1 could claim that..?....errrr And Roy Keane has spent £8m in the CCC - a lot of money - and Ipswich are nowhere. We might have splashed (relatively) out on Lambert but I wouldn't say that we have gone on a spending spree. If the owners expected to get out of this divison this year I would have expected more money to be spent on players to be honest. The spend so far (to me) seems to suggest that they are just looking to stabilise rather than take the league by storm this season. 5 year plan remember? Not 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 And Roy Keane has spent £8m in the CCC - a lot of money - and Ipswich are nowhere. We might have splashed (relatively) out on Lambert but I wouldn't say that we have gone on a spending spree. If the owners expected to get out of this divison this year I would have expected more money to be spent on players to be honest. The spend so far (to me) seems to suggest that they are just looking to stabilise rather than take the league by storm this season. 5 year plan remember? Not 3 years. and roy keane has even said himself..unless results change then he will expect the owner to make changes...he knows the score... as for not going on a spending spree...ask that to 20 other clubs in the league who dont have a pot to pis in the 5 year plan is for the premiership...the owners want promotion by end of next season.. going down to league 2 does not fit into that...league 2 will mean bye bye pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 and roy keane has even said himself..unless results change then he will expect the owner to make changes...he knows the score... as for not going on a spending spree...ask that to 20 other clubs in the league who dont have a pot to pis in the 5 year plan is for the premiership...the owners want promotion by end of next season.. going down to league 2 does not fit into that...league 2 will mean bye bye pardew I do get the feeling that you think the team should be doing better;) Perhaps today it will all happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 and roy keane has even said himself..unless results change then he will expect the owner to make changes...he knows the score... as for not going on a spending spree...ask that to 20 other clubs in the league who dont have a pot to pis in the 5 year plan is for the premiership...the owners want promotion by end of next season.. going down to league 2 does not fit into that...league 2 will mean bye bye pardew Maybe the new owners will stand by their manager? What would hve happened if we had dumped LM after he took us down? The only successful managers we have had have been here longer than 5 years and took time to get success. At some point surely we have to keep faith in someone for longer than 5 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Maybe the new owners will stand by their manager? What would hve happened if we had dumped LM after he took us down? The only successful managers we have had have been here longer than 5 years and took time to get success. At some point surely we have to keep faith in someone for longer than 5 minutes? Why? Perhaps Wotte should be here then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Perhaps he should? He did manage to win three on the bounce. I think we would be doing much worse points wise if he was still here. Both Ferguson and Howard Kendall were facing the sack shortly before they both turned their clubs around. We all think the manager is rubbish if he doesn't do the business in our timeframe but the truth is you never know what would happen if you kept him on a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Perhaps he should? He did manage to win three on the bounce. I think we would be doing much worse points wise if he was still here. Both Ferguson and Howard Kendall were facing the sack shortly before they both turned their clubs around. We all think the manager is rubbish if he doesn't do the business in our timeframe but the truth is you never know what would happen if you kept him on a bit longer. I dont disagree anyway nice little discussion now on with today's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Share Posted 3 October, 2009 Indeed, although strange given that we have played 5 matches in September and only lost one with a goal in injury time and we are talking about the future of our manager...hey ho.. Still, here's to 3 points today and the start of the season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 4 October, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 October, 2009 Still, here's to 3 points today and the start of the season!!! Well we did get 3 points.. Strangely I dont think we played as well as we did on Tuesday night. But still a step at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Mikie Posted 4 October, 2009 Share Posted 4 October, 2009 Excellent post!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 4 October, 2009 Share Posted 4 October, 2009 Shame an excellent first 2 pages were ruined by the 3rd to be honest. Guess that old saying can't make everyone happy all of the time rings true with this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 October, 2009 Share Posted 4 October, 2009 (edited) and roy keane has even said himself..unless results change then he will expect the owner to make changes...he knows the score... as for not going on a spending spree...ask that to 20 other clubs in the league who dont have a pot to pis in the 5 year plan is for the premiership...the owners want promotion by end of next season.. going down to league 2 does not fit into that...league 2 will mean bye bye pardew Roy Keane analogy makes no sense on a number of levels: (1) Roy Keane has spent much more money than AP even if you factor in the differences between CCC and FL1. (2) To date, Ipswich have only taken 5pts compared to our 12pts; their GD is -12 while we're in the black. (3) Roy Keane inherited a club that already spent big under Magilton and had been on the brink of playoffs for the previous two seasons whereas we had just been relegated and lost our best players. (4) Roy Keane has no real managerial track record, so its difficult to say whether getting Sunderland promoted was the real deal or a fluke, whether Keane's just a moody w*nker to be put on the list of other high-profile players who failed as managers. By contrast, AP is much more experienced. His record at Reading and West Ham speaks for itself and is strong enough to withstand his failures. The cream will rise to the top. (5) While by no means a clincher (coz the timeframes either way are ridiculously short), Keane has been in the job since April; AP only joined in July. Keane has had the advantage of some of last season and a full preseason. Edited 4 October, 2009 by shurlock spellink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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