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If the purpose of this thread is to seek praise/attention or to establish the OP's working class credentials then it's a outstanding success , any more meaningful insights (or indeed a point) is somewhat harder to discern however .

 

Yes Markus Leibherr and Nicola Cortese have saved this club from oblivion - I'm not aware that obvious truth was subject to serious debate or that these two widely respected gentlemen were in need of some defence :confused:

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I can see your point from the experience of british and arab businessmen not foing anything without the hope of a return. ML has got a fortune of two and thre quarters BILLION!!! He bought this club for £12M, so why would he have to look for a profit. This is a hobby. A way of making many people happy for trying to do things in the right way rather than to throw money at it like drunken sailors. He doesn't need to be adored by the tabloid press or drooled over by the footballing pundits. He can try to prove a point and do things right. God bless him and we are the lucky buggers to have him as an owner and not a dodgy chap who has to invent academic titles to make himself feel important.

 

From the BBC Article

 

Cortese's plan is for the club to win promotion from League One in two seasons and reach the Premier League in five years. He does not expect Liebherr to enjoy a return on his investment until the club returns to the top flight but reckons Saints can break even in the Championship.

 

 

 

I thought it maybe a hobby until I read the article so what do you think?

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I am just an 'ordinary' bloke with a cr@p job who spends his saturday afternoons stood with his missus on the Northam end cheering on the Saints. I have shouted them on and groaned with anguish over them for more than 40 years.

Due to my periods of poverty (marriage, mortgage, kids) coinciding with Saints best years I did not see them live as often as I wanted during their UP years. Strangely we finally managed to afford season tickets just before Saints got relegated from the Prem., and have occuppied the same seats ever since. My wife and I have travelled away when finances and work allowed, including that trip to Hull a couple of years back in the drizzle and fog to see Saints get slaughtered.

Last year I wore out the F5 button on my computor when the darkest days of our club beset us, and I know from the Forum many thousands of you lot out there were doing the same. This just makes me the same as all the footie fans, from Aberdeen to Zennor who.s week is made or broke by 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon.

Yet this summer an Italian/Swiss and German/Swiss for some inexplicable reason decided to by our club. OUR CLUB which was about 10 mins. from someone turning off the lights for the very last time.

We now have NO DEBTS. We have an owner who has appointed a very capable businessman in charge who has so far in my opinion not put a foot wrong. We have a transfer pot comenserate with our status as League 1. We have a manager who is probably the very best we could have hoped for in this league.

Off the pitch things are being sorted and put back on a proffessional commercial footing again.

On the pitch we have brought in a number of players who have proved they are up to the job. Murty, Trottman etc. And The best striker from the League last year in Lambert.

Our goalie could have gone to a Premiership club as is his undoubted class, but he chose to stay at SFC.

At the moment results on the field aren't as good as we all hoped. But we have several members of the squad who have played in bits of our long decline from the preiership. Losing is as much a habit as winning. Sometimes it takes a while to break bad habits and form good ones. It took us 6 years to get ourselves in this position, its going to take several years to get back.

6 months ago I would have been happy just to have a club, now I have a club with no debts, a good chairman, a very very rich owner, a good manager, and the basis of a decent team.

Yet some people still moan. I know its only a small vocal minority, but please people think of what could have been and like me say a big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to MESSERS CORTESSE AND LEIBHEIR.

 

MR LEIBHEIR and MR CORTESSE -----THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

 

Excellent post

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It is amazing how often we see a good post cheer us all up for a while. Posts like this one from Landford are in line with the majority of us fans thoughts.

Yes we are struggling and we all want to be a lot higher up the league.

However the team is progressing and will come good, especially once AP has finished building for this season.

I can envisage him with two thoughts in mind at the moment. First we need players short term and then we need players who will be here for the long haul.

So far AP hasn't done too badly apart from the lack of points. This will soon be addressed and then we will all feel a lot better. IMVHO of course.

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If the purpose of this thread is to seek praise/attention or to establish the OP's working class credentials then it's a outstanding success , any more meaningful insights (or indeed a point) is somewhat harder to discern however .

 

Yes Markus Leibherr and Nicola Cortese have saved this club from oblivion - I'm not aware that obvious truth was subject to serious debate or that these two widely respected gentlemen were in need of some defence :confused:

 

C-E-C, I think you are reading more into this than I put in. If you obtained the impression that I was on some Working Class political points scoring then I apologise, it was not my intention.

 

I was also not trying to defend ML and NC. As far as I know they have done absolutely nothing that needs defending, and I am probably the last person on this planet they would call on to do that for them. So if I lead you into that impresssion I again apologise.

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C-E-C, I think you are reading more into this than I put in. If you obtained the impression that I was on some Working Class political points scoring then I apologise, it was not my intention.

 

I was also not trying to defend ML and NC. As far as I know they have done absolutely nothing that needs defending, and I am probably the last person on this planet they would call on to do that for them. So if I lead you into that impresssion I again apologise.

 

Don't worry Landford.

 

Results this season have been patchy for various reasons and it is only natural that some have become a little twitchy. But I think that your original post struck a chord with many, reminding us of how much worse our situation could have been by now and a good opportunity (if they get feedback from this forum) to send a message loud and clear to Messrs. Cortese and Liebherr that we are deeply appreciative and thankful that they chose to save our beloved club from possible oblivion.

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Don't worry Landford.

 

 

For the first time for many years, I am not worried as far as SFC goes. Severely anguished when that 3rd goal went in, Yes. Anxious as to when the improvements we have seen on and off the pitch are going to show in results on it, Yes. But worried by C-E-C, no.

In my life I have at least twice been attacked by people with knives, once by someone with a hammer, many times with poles or bats, and have so many times been outnumbered by persons intending me harm that I have lost count. (I was for 14 years a policeman).

So C-E-C worrying me, sorry I think not.

I like many others are just anxious to see SFC back to our old selves of being a team others are concerned about playing.

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From the BBC Article

 

Cortese's plan is for the club to win promotion from League One in two seasons and reach the Premier League in five years. He does not expect Liebherr to enjoy a return on his investment until the club returns to the top flight but reckons Saints can break even in the Championship.

 

 

 

I thought it maybe a hobby until I read the article so what do you think?

 

I think he is trying to prove something, such as that a football club can break even and still be competitive if it is run well and the investments are commensurate with the level of football played and the support for the club from supporters, advertising and business. I hope he is right. It certainly feels more solid than the fly-by-night owners of other clubs.

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I understand the post and can relate to the feelings you have...but in this day and age it's a must have mentality and that includes winning.

 

We have a club

We have a squad

We have a Manager

We have fans - fine & fickle

The only thing we lack is a winning mentality...

We still have too many losers at the club!

 

There is a massive psychological corner to turn at Southampton FC. The likes of Saganowski need to show they are up for the fight, and do what they are good at. Seasoned pro's are OK - but what about the pace of youth?

 

It seems strange from a game with one substitute allowed and a reserve team to get replacements from, we now have such a massive squad, and a reserve team too! And we still can't find a winning combination.

 

We have been close a couple of times this year - unlucky again on Tuesday night, but is it a concentration or fitness issue?

 

Winning is habit forming - just like losing or settling for the draw.

 

You can see how much (and how little) it means to some of the players - perhaps a change in direction will change our fortunes - something as simple as kicking towards the Northam for the 2nd half?

 

Tomorrow afternoon cannot come around quick enough as far as I can see - but I'm hopeful a home win will take us to +2 points and on our way up the league (eventually). Me hoping isn't going to make it happen or 20,000 voices cheering for the team - they have to want it as much as we do...

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I think he is trying to prove something, such as that a football club can break even and still be competitive if it is run well and the investments are commensurate with the level of football played and the support for the club from supporters, advertising and business. I hope he is right. It certainly feels more solid than the fly-by-night owners of other clubs.

 

Yes I think he is running it as a business I dont think in anyway he is a fly by night type of person but will eventually make some kind of profit.

 

 

Which I have no problem with because if he does that will mean that the club is successful

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I am just an 'ordinary' bloke with a cr@p job who spends his saturday afternoons stood with his missus on the Northam end cheering on the Saints. I have shouted them on and groaned with anguish over them for more than 40 years.

Due to my periods of poverty (marriage, mortgage, kids) coinciding with Saints best years I did not see them live as often as I wanted during their UP years. Strangely we finally managed to afford season tickets just before Saints got relegated from the Prem., and have occuppied the same seats ever since. My wife and I have travelled away when finances and work allowed, including that trip to Hull a couple of years back in the drizzle and fog to see Saints get slaughtered.

Last year I wore out the F5 button on my computor when the darkest days of our club beset us, and I know from the Forum many thousands of you lot out there were doing the same. This just makes me the same as all the footie fans, from Aberdeen to Zennor who.s week is made or broke by 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon.

Yet this summer an Italian/Swiss and German/Swiss for some inexplicable reason decided to by our club. OUR CLUB which was about 10 mins. from someone turning off the lights for the very last time.

We now have NO DEBTS. We have an owner who has appointed a very capable businessman in charge who has so far in my opinion not put a foot wrong. We have a transfer pot comenserate with our status as League 1. We have a manager who is probably the very best we could have hoped for in this league.

Off the pitch things are being sorted and put back on a proffessional commercial footing again.

On the pitch we have brought in a number of players who have proved they are up to the job. Murty, Trottman etc. And The best striker from the League last year in Lambert.

Our goalie could have gone to a Premiership club as is his undoubted class, but he chose to stay at SFC.

At the moment results on the field aren't as good as we all hoped. But we have several members of the squad who have played in bits of our long decline from the preiership. Losing is as much a habit as winning. Sometimes it takes a while to break bad habits and form good ones. It took us 6 years to get ourselves in this position, its going to take several years to get back.

6 months ago I would have been happy just to have a club, now I have a club with no debts, a good chairman, a very very rich owner, a good manager, and the basis of a decent team.

Yet some people still moan. I know its only a small vocal minority, but please people think of what could have been and like me say a big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to MESSERS CORTESSE AND LEIBHEIR.

 

MR LEIBHEIR and MR CORTESSE -----THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

 

 

 

Very nice post, Landford,

After 50 years as a Saints fan... and now sitting in my cellar in Stockholm I can echo those thoughts totally.

We've gone full circle in the last 50 years and I am also glad we've still got a club to support. I shall go out and buy a bar of Swiss chocolate, or a cuckoo clock to show my appreciation.

 

From now the only way is UP..and the Board is the best as we've ever had.

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I am just an 'ordinary' bloke with a cr@p job who spends his saturday afternoons stood with his missus on the Northam end cheering on the Saints. I have shouted them on and groaned with anguish over them for more than 40 years.

Due to my periods of poverty (marriage, mortgage, kids) coinciding with Saints best years I did not see them live as often as I wanted during their UP years. Strangely we finally managed to afford season tickets just before Saints got relegated from the Prem., and have occuppied the same seats ever since. My wife and I have travelled away when finances and work allowed, including that trip to Hull a couple of years back in the drizzle and fog to see Saints get slaughtered.

Last year I wore out the F5 button on my computor when the darkest days of our club beset us, and I know from the Forum many thousands of you lot out there were doing the same. This just makes me the same as all the footie fans, from Aberdeen to Zennor who.s week is made or broke by 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon.

Yet this summer an Italian/Swiss and German/Swiss for some inexplicable reason decided to by our club. OUR CLUB which was about 10 mins. from someone turning off the lights for the very last time.

We now have NO DEBTS. We have an owner who has appointed a very capable businessman in charge who has so far in my opinion not put a foot wrong. We have a transfer pot comenserate with our status as League 1. We have a manager who is probably the very best we could have hoped for in this league.

Off the pitch things are being sorted and put back on a proffessional commercial footing again.

On the pitch we have brought in a number of players who have proved they are up to the job. Murty, Trottman etc. And The best striker from the League last year in Lambert.

Our goalie could have gone to a Premiership club as is his undoubted class, but he chose to stay at SFC.

At the moment results on the field aren't as good as we all hoped. But we have several members of the squad who have played in bits of our long decline from the preiership. Losing is as much a habit as winning. Sometimes it takes a while to break bad habits and form good ones. It took us 6 years to get ourselves in this position, its going to take several years to get back.

6 months ago I would have been happy just to have a club, now I have a club with no debts, a good chairman, a very very rich owner, a good manager, and the basis of a decent team.

Yet some people still moan. I know its only a small vocal minority, but please people think of what could have been and like me say a big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to MESSERS CORTESSE AND LEIBHEIR.

 

MR LEIBHEIR and MR CORTESSE -----THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

 

good post, I am enjoying the games - and looking forward to tomorrow

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C-E-C, I think you are reading more into this than I put in. If you obtained the impression that I was on some Working Class political points scoring then I apologise, it was not my intention.

 

I was also not trying to defend ML and NC. As far as I know they have done absolutely nothing that needs defending, and I am probably the last person on this planet they would call on to do that for them. So if I lead you into that impresssion I again apologise.

 

Forget it mate , just call me Mr Grumpy .

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Perhaps the news today from down the M27 helps put this into even greater perspective. remember when we didn't pay players wages; remember when no one knew who was running the club; remember when players left for considerable amounts of money but none seemed to go into the club? We are stable, our debts have gone, we have the foundations; we are back on track and it's due to our ownership and the management team that is in place. SMS is a good place to be and will be get better.

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Well said Landford.

 

I think you can see from the support for your post, that this is how most people who read this forum feel.

 

The trouble with the yoof is they want everything yesterday. Which is why TV and papers and magazines now come in such bite size chunks - so their tiny brains can take it all in.

 

Patience is so important right now. Look where Leeds are, after all the despair they've been through. And don't forget, we've effectively got a Premiership manager looking after us in the turd division FFS!

 

BTW, I've been living in Sydney for some years now. The Aussies always call us "whingeing Poms". When I read some of the ****e on this forum, I can understand why.

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I am just an 'ordinary' bloke with a cr@p job who spends his saturday afternoons stood with his missus on the Northam end cheering on the Saints. I have shouted them on and groaned with anguish over them for more than 40 years.

Due to my periods of poverty (marriage, mortgage, kids) coinciding with Saints best years I did not see them live as often as I wanted during their UP years. Strangely we finally managed to afford season tickets just before Saints got relegated from the Prem., and have occuppied the same seats ever since. My wife and I have travelled away when finances and work allowed, including that trip to Hull a couple of years back in the drizzle and fog to see Saints get slaughtered.

Last year I wore out the F5 button on my computor when the darkest days of our club beset us, and I know from the Forum many thousands of you lot out there were doing the same. This just makes me the same as all the footie fans, from Aberdeen to Zennor who.s week is made or broke by 90 minutes on a Saturday afternoon.

Yet this summer an Italian/Swiss and German/Swiss for some inexplicable reason decided to by our club. OUR CLUB which was about 10 mins. from someone turning off the lights for the very last time.

We now have NO DEBTS. We have an owner who has appointed a very capable businessman in charge who has so far in my opinion not put a foot wrong. We have a transfer pot comenserate with our status as League 1. We have a manager who is probably the very best we could have hoped for in this league.

Off the pitch things are being sorted and put back on a proffessional commercial footing again.

On the pitch we have brought in a number of players who have proved they are up to the job. Murty, Trottman etc. And The best striker from the League last year in Lambert.

Our goalie could have gone to a Premiership club as is his undoubted class, but he chose to stay at SFC.

At the moment results on the field aren't as good as we all hoped. But we have several members of the squad who have played in bits of our long decline from the preiership. Losing is as much a habit as winning. Sometimes it takes a while to break bad habits and form good ones. It took us 6 years to get ourselves in this position, its going to take several years to get back.

6 months ago I would have been happy just to have a club, now I have a club with no debts, a good chairman, a very very rich owner, a good manager, and the basis of a decent team.

Yet some people still moan. I know its only a small vocal minority, but please people think of what could have been and like me say a big THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to MESSERS CORTESSE AND LEIBHEIR.

 

MR LEIBHEIR and MR CORTESSE -----THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH.

 

 

Well stated.

Spot on and todays great result will show the players are now really up for it.:):):)

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Post of the year. So good to read something like this instead of the constant drivel from the negative brigade.

 

We are very fortunate to have avoided Pinnacle and going out of business and as others have said, the only problem we have now is the losing mentality. I do believe we will turn the corner re results but it might come quick enough for some, who will continue to call for yet another manager when we lose a football match.

 

Pearson was not a footballing messiah nor is Pardew a fool. Some fans need to get some perspective and balance.

 

As we have seen with Roy Keane, spending money does not equate to success and building a club back up is no easy matter. Some are able to do it quicker than other, some not at all. If McMenemy had been our manager now he would have been out of the door the season ater relegation if not before.

 

To judge Pardew harshly after only 10 matches and no preseason prep to talk of is pointless.

 

We will have a better idea of what he is about by Christmas but it will probably take a lot longer to turn this club around and I hope he is allowed the time to do that.

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Post of the year. So good to read something like this instead of the constant drivel from the negative brigade.

 

We are very fortunate to have avoided Pinnacle and going out of business and as others have said, the only problem we have now is the losing mentality. I do believe we will turn the corner re results but it might come quick enough for some, who will continue to call for yet another manager when we lose a football match.

 

Pearson was not a footballing messiah nor is Pardew a fool. Some fans need to get some perspective and balance.

 

As we have seen with Roy Keane, spending money does not equate to success and building a club back up is no easy matter. Some are able to do it quicker than other, some not at all. If McMenemy had been our manager now he would have been out of the door the season ater relegation if not before.

 

To judge Pardew harshly after only 10 matches and no preseason prep to talk of is pointless.

 

We will have a better idea of what he is about by Christmas but it will probably take a lot longer to turn this club around and I hope he is allowed the time to do that.

 

what if he cant only a question not an opinion?

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If he can't we will not know that after 10 games.

 

I know that but I mean is how can you tell this season if the plan to get to the Premiership with Pardew is achievable.

 

Or does he just have to scrape out of the relegation zone to keep the plan on course.

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Personally I would give him a solid 2 years no matter what happens this season as I want to see some stability at the club and I think he is a reasonable manager. I would see staying up this year as a big plus - the reason being that the "club" has no confidence and it would take anyone a long time to change that mentality.

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Personally I would give him a solid 2 years no matter what happens this season as I want to see some stability at the club and I think he is a reasonable manager. I would see staying up this year as a big plus - the reason being that the "club" has no confidence and it would take anyone a long time to change that mentality.

 

Stability is of no use without success but I fully understand what you are saying.

 

Chelsea have had four managers in what 2 years but are successful because they have outstanding players

 

 

SFC have had five managers in what 2 years but are unsuccessful perhaps because they do not have many outstanding players

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Personally I would give him a solid 2 years no matter what happens this season as I want to see some stability at the club and I think he is a reasonable manager. I would see staying up this year as a big plus - the reason being that the "club" has no confidence and it would take anyone a long time to change that mentality.

if we went down. pardew would be finished at any club worth their salt...and rightly so

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Personally I would give him a solid 2 years no matter what happens this season as I want to see some stability at the club and I think he is a reasonable manager. I would see staying up this year as a big plus - the reason being that the "club" has no confidence and it would take anyone a long time to change that mentality.

 

what a load of bollix

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if we went down. pardew would be finished at any club worth their salt...and rightly so

 

Why? Everyone seems to think that Redknapp is the dogs danglies when it comes to management but he took us down (and he doesn't appear to be finished).

 

You seem to have forgotton the little matter of us starting on MINUS 10 points and having a demoralised club from top to bottom.

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if we went down. pardew would be finished at any club worth their salt...and rightly so

 

I cant see us going down but unless we finish the season well with good wins what would his position be then.

 

 

Also I dont know how much money he can spend in January getting in three quality players will make a lot of difference to the team I would have thought.

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Why? Everyone seems to think that Redknapp is the dogs danglies when it comes to management but he took us down (and he doesn't appear to be finished).

 

You seem to have forgotton the little matter of us starting on MINUS 10 points and having a demoralised club from top to bottom.

why..?

 

charlton, then taking saints down to league 2 would be why..?

 

people were hardly banging his door down in the first place..hence why he is in league 1.....(of which I am pretty glad) but taking saints down to league 2 would pretty much finish him off as a decent manager for a looooong time..

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it really is....

 

 

new players, new manager, new owners...apart from kelvin, morgan and lallana...people have come in should be full of confidence...

 

phrases like SoG stated just sound good for an excuse..

 

Really? So all of this "newness" is supposed to gel in a few weeks is it? I don't notice any of that on here, just the same old reactionary nonsense...lose a game in the last minute against on inform team -sack the manager.

 

SFC has had fear written all over it for a number of seasons now, it is part of the fabric of the club. It isn't going to disappear overnight because we have some new faces here.

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it really is....

 

 

new players, new manager, new owners...apart from kelvin, morgan and lallana...people have come in should be full of confidence...

 

phrases like SoG stated just sound good for an excuse..

 

takes a game maybe two to recover ones confidence - not years. SoG and his fellow "I will always make excuses" brigade are very boring and need to wise up.

 

Funny how Charlton dont suffer the same confidence issues? They finished bottom, clubs future is still in doubt yet they have lost 1 while we have won just 1.

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I cant see us going down but unless we finish the season well with good wins what would his position be then.

 

 

Also I dont know how much money he can spend in January getting in three quality players will make a lot of difference to the team I would have thought.

 

but we keep signing these good players that 20 other clubs above us (who have won more) would dream of having..

 

while the likes of stockport can win the odd game with no money, no prospects, no confidence..we have to plough more and more money...we will be buying wins at this rate....

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takes a game maybe two to recover ones confidence - not years. SoG and his fellow "I will always make excuses" brigade are very boring and need to wise up.

 

Funny how Charlton dont suffer the same confidence issues? They finished bottom, clubs future is still in doubt yet they have lost 1 while we have won just 1.

 

leeds went on a rampaging run in league 1 and nearly went up from -15....

 

stockport were also in administration and would be happy to spend £1m in the next 5 years on players...we did that to get a striker...

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Why? Everyone seems to think that Redknapp is the dogs danglies when it comes to management but he took us down (and he doesn't appear to be finished).

 

You seem to have forgotton the little matter of us starting on MINUS 10 points and having a demoralised club from top to bottom.

 

how is the club demoralised from top to bottom? what a stupid comment

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