St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am going to continue to call it as I see it. Delightful Mr Glass-Half-Empty-Where's-The Nearest-Cliff-Or-Sharpest-Knife-Or-Strongest-Rope....can't wait to read how you "see" our games all the way down there in Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 And how many of their best players did they manage to keep? Did they go into admin and start on minus 10? Nope, I don't think so. Selective memory to try to prove yourself right. Well if you are happy with one win out of ten and are not worried about the future under Pardew that is OK by me. But other people are concerned that despite money being spent on the squad to improve it results are not at all good. Usually it is very difficult to address poor results which proved the case with Pardew at Charlton so there is always the possibility he will fail. However there is the possibility that things will improve but nothing is certain so lets hope we start winning soon . With regard to minus 10 Leeds if I remember were in administration on -15 but managed to win lots of games and got to the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I doubt if St Willey goes to any games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Delightful Mr Glass-Half-Empty-Where's-The Nearest-Cliff-Or-Sharpest-Knife-Or-Strongest-Rope....can't wait to read how you "see" our games all the way down there in Austria Oh, for heavens sake............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Well if you are happy with one win out of ten and are not worried about the future under Pardew that is OK by me. But other people are concerned that despite money being spent on the squad to improve it results are not at all good. Usually it is very difficult to address poor results which proved the case with Pardew at Charlton so there is always the possibility he will fail. However there is the possibility that things will improve but nothing is certain so lets hope we start winning soon . With regard to minus 10 Leeds if I remember were in administration on -15 but managed to win lots of games and got to the playoffs I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynicalsaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 yes, and all of those things have only ever happened to sfc, havent they ??? :rolleyes: very gat avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynicalsaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Oh, for heavens sake............. muppet. if you had been anywhere near SMS you'd know that we are turning the corner.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 You tell me how the results from the last 10 matches fit the "plan". I am disappointed in you, WA2. After the way we stood side-by-side a couple of years back, its a pity you have resorted to abusing those challenging the "progress" we are making. Was it really only all about Lowe for you ? LOL!!! I dont want to fall out with you darling, those Burley memories I hold close to my heart, oh how we danced the night away when whiskey george finally got the bullett :smt049 But seriously Alps, how is sacking the manager going to help, a new manager would unsettle us further, players would leave, staff would leave, and we would be a laughing stock again. Stability is VITAL, you cant expect to get to your destination if you keep going back to the beginning and starting again. A lot of it was Lowe yes, but most of it was the brainless tactical decisions, Jermaine Wright, and the 'alleged' drunken coaching sessions. Dont let us fall out over this my sweet xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 muppet. if you had been anywhere near SMS you'd know that we are turning the corner.... And that's from CYNICALsaint!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe. Can you let us all know when its ok to critisise? ta. p.s do you ever go to games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I doubt if St Willey goes to any games I've been to every single home game, and I'm going again on Saturday. More games than you, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Can you let us all know when its ok to critisise? ta. p.s do you ever go to games? Every single home game....how many have you been to this season? Edit: and Huddersfield away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 LOL!!! I dont want to fall out with you darling, those Burley memories I hold close to my heart, oh how we danced the night away when whiskey george finally got the bullett Yep we have excelled since Burley left....oh :smt103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Every single home game....how many have you been to this season? How do you manage this - thought you were a pro golfer? surely pro golfers play golf on a saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I've been to every single home game, and I'm going again on Saturday. More games than you, that's for sure. That's all its about for you, isnt it ? Bragging rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 How do you manage this - thought you were a pro golfer? surely pro golfers play golf on a saturday? My tournaments are generally Monday/Tuesday, or Wednesday/Thursday/Friday, depending on which tour I'm playing on. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 My tournaments are generally Monday/Tuesday, or Wednesday/Thursday/Friday, depending on which tour I'm playing on. HTH sure they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 That's all its about for you, isnt it ? Bragging rights... You are cuckoo!!! At what point do I ever brag about how many games I go to? I was asked if I go to games, so I answered the question. You really are a prat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 You are cuckoo!!! At what point do I ever brag about how many games I go to? I was asked if I go to games, so I answered the question. You really are a prat. Exhibit A, M'Lud.. More games than you, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 sure they are Lol that's right I'm lying. Ok, whatever you want to believe. I was at East Sussex National this Monday, in a 1 day event. Last week I was at Mentmore playing a 2 day event. The week before, Caversham Heath, the week before that, Studley Wood. All 2 day events on a Monday and Tuesday. I just made all that up though didn't I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Exhibit A, M'Lud.. I wasn't bragging, I was answering the question!!! Are you sane?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynicalsaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 And that's from CYNICALsaint!!! yep he's addressed the back four issue the midfield - hammond is better than this divsion, just needs to find the balance (and based on brizzle thats not a million miles away). front two needs work. this is a five year (not five minute) plan. call for pardew's head if you want but who is going to step in and make a real difference? too much f******* mtv instant gratification mentalitity. if you cant see that things are improving then quite frankly, **** off and support Man U because 99 percent of thr clund in the UK are in the same position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I wasn't bragging, I was answering the question!!! Are you sane?! Bizarre........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Are you suggesting that we kept JP Gray or Wigley because I think they were the ones sacked Hoddle Strachan Redknapp Burley left for Pastures new Sturrock did not fancy the job and Pearson was too costly possibly Mind you I agree that stability is a good thing but not that common theses days except at the top clubs Sacking Pearson was the wrong choice in my opinion, but yes, stability is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Lol that's right I'm lying. Ok, whatever you want to believe. I was at East Sussex National this Monday, in a 1 day event. Last week I was at Mentmore playing a 2 day event. The week before, Caversham Heath, the week before that, Studley Wood. All 2 day events on a Monday and Tuesday. I just made all that up though didn't I! How do u manage to post on here on the days you play in tournos? probably do it between shots? or get your caddy to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 yep he's addressed the back four issue the midfield - hammond is better than this divsion, just needs to find the balance (and based on brizzle thats not a million miles away). Front two needs work. This is a five year (not five minute) plan. Call for pardew's head if you want but who is going to step in and make a real difference? Too much f******* mtv instant gratification mentalitity. If you cant see that things are improving then quite frankly, **** off and support man u because 99 percent of thr clund in the uk are in the same position praise the lord!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 How do u manage to post on here on the days you play in tournos? probably do it between shots? or get your caddy to do it? Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Sacking Pearson was the wrong choice in my opinion, but yes, stability is a good thing. Stability is not necessarily a good thing. Stability is a means to an end, not the objective itself. Stability under Stuart Gray would have meant earlier relegation Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!! Mods, are you going to do something about this bigot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Hotel wi-fi, iPhone/Laptop.....it's amazing down here in England how technology has moved on.....come down sometime and have a look at what Scotland will look like in 20 years time!! A "pro golfer" that thinks Scotland is 20 years behind england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Mods, are you going to do something about this bigot ? Bigot? lol I take it all back, you're actually very amusing - a very dry sense of humour!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 A "pro golfer" that thinks Scotland is 20 years behind the england I don't play on the Tartan Tour. (That's not a racist comment by the way, the Scottish National Tour is called the Tartan Tour). My tournaments are in England and in America sometimes. And next year, France, Spain, Italy and dare I say it......Austria!!! Ahhhh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe. " 10 games before we start slaughtering teams"? "it will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe"? OMG you are now officially the leader of the happy clappies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm patient. And that's what we all need to be. There's a long road ahead - it's just time we all realised that. It might take another 10 games before we start slaughtering teams. It will work out alright in the end if we all just get behind the team and believe. It has already taken four years and we are now in the worst league position since I have been supporting the Saints in almost fifty years. Blind faith is not in my makeup - your last phrase could have been spoken by a religous zealot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It has already taken four years and we are now in the worst league position since I have been supporting the Saints in almost fifty years. Blind faith is not in my makeup - your last phrase could have been spoken by a religous zealot LOL I'm about the most non-religious person on this planet. Don't get me started on that one!! It's been 2 months since the new regime took over. Who care about the last 4 years or 50 years. It's a brand new start. Brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 LOL I'm about the most non-religious person on this planet. Don't get me started on that one!! It's been 2 months since the new regime took over. Who care about the last 4 years or 50 years. It's a brand new start. Brand new. Carrying on with the same sort of results as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Stability is not necessarily a good thing. Stability is a means to an end, not the objective itself. Stability under Stuart Gray would have meant earlier relegation Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England. I dont think Stuart Gray was capable of stability never understood why he was appointed as results were poor in the games he was in charge after Hoddle left. But lets face it there are not many consistently good managers anyway Apart from Bruce Moyes and possibly Allardyce away from the top teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Further stability under Glenn Hoddle could have taken us to the top 3 in England. Oh noes, now you will set that Dalek chap off :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Carrying on with the same sort of results as before. We had a new start with Mr Wilde and that nearly worked out until the money ran out Results were a lot better even with Burley in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Oh noes, now you will set that Dalek chap off :D Do you disagree though ? We were f**king unbeatable at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 To all those that want change now, who are you suggesting should come in? And what if whoever came in didn't pick up a win within 6 games say..........would you be calling for their head again!!!??? To change the manager now with only a handful of games with hisplayers would be ridiculous and we would be a laughing stock. What manager would come near us knowing that they have a handful of games to get results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It doesn't prove anything. Our start under WGS was cack. Our start under Pardew has been cack. Under WGS, our form improved and we were ok in the end. With Pardew, our form will need to improve if we are to be ok in the end. It's not rocket science is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Saints 3 Ipswich 3 Fulham 2 Saints 1 Saints 1 Blackburn 2 Derby 1 Saints 0 Saints 1 Charlton 0 Everton 2 Saints 0 Leicester 0 Saints 4 Saints 2 Sunderland 0 United 6 Saints 1 Saints 0 Leeds 1 Strachan's first ten games in charge. What do you see? We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points. Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th). Does that help any of those reaching for the noose? Looks to me a lot like our start this season... Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 To all those that want change now, who are you suggesting should come in? And what if whoever came in didn't pick up a win within 6 games say..........would you be calling for their head again!!!??? To change the manager now with only a handful of games with hisplayers would be ridiculous and we would be a laughing stock. What manager would come near us knowing that they have a handful of games to get results? You can count the number of people who want change now on the fingers of one hand. I am not one of them, but I am worried. However, the number with doubt about whether this set up is going to work and may want change at some unspecified point in the future is slowly increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Saints 3 Ipswich 3 Fulham 2 Saints 1 Saints 1 Blackburn 2 Derby 1 Saints 0 Saints 1 Charlton 0 Everton 2 Saints 0 Leicester 0 Saints 4 Saints 2 Sunderland 0 United 6 Saints 1 Saints 0 Leeds 1 Strachan's first ten games in charge. What do you see? We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points. Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th). Does that help any of those reaching for the noose? Looks to me a lot like our start this season... Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me Good post LTC, As a statistics nerd myself, I agree with your point. At least we can see that starting over isn't always easy. I don't have my In that Number to hand, but i bet Lawrie Mc Menemy's first ten weren't much better and we got relegated his first season in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 No, that was Stuart Gray. (Delap)...(SG)... who also bought Anders Svensson at the same time. Gray got the sack soon after and successive managers played them both " out of their natural positions ", and they forever felt the anger of fans disappointed at their performances. (!) .and both did infinitely better after they left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Roy Keane has just made the worst start at Ipswich for 40 odd years. The Manager those 40 years ago was in his first season at the Club, his name? Bobby Robson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 Saints 3 Ipswich 3 Fulham 2 Saints 1 Saints 1 Blackburn 2 Derby 1 Saints 0 Saints 1 Charlton 0 Everton 2 Saints 0 Leicester 0 Saints 4 Saints 2 Sunderland 0 United 6 Saints 1 Saints 0 Leeds 1 Strachan's first ten games in charge. What do you see? We managed to win three games and accrue 10 points. Something else. We couldn't beat any decent teams. We beat three teams, Leicester would go on to be relegated (finish bottom on 28 points), Sunderland who finished 4th bottom and Charlton who finished 6th bottom and lost at home to Leeds (finished 5th) and Blackburn (finished 10th). Does that help any of those reaching for the noose? Looks to me a lot like our start this season... Oh and on Saturday Pardew could have more points from his first ten games than Strachan, well feck me I remember going to see that Derby game, it was horrid. That was the one where Jones was hanging on his bar when as the ball just dropped in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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