channonball Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Why are Charlton able to win games? Pardew has still spent the most money in the division and signed half a team of players. I'm getting worried... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Why are Charlton able to win games? Pardew has still spent the most money in the division and signed half a team of players. I'm getting worried... Er, because they let their manager go 22 games without a win maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 History does not not show that. The only research ever done into this subject to my knowledge showed that changing manager more often results in worse performances than better by a small percentage. What history tells us that successful managers stay in jobs longer and therefore those clubs that are most successful have had managers in post for longer periods on the whole - it's a self fulfilling prophecy. What WE need is what we have - a PLAN. And it's about fecking time we stuck to one for a change. The two most succesful spells in this club's history can be found when we had managers for longest... That is not to say you hold onto a manager forever in the hope he eventually succeeds but any judgement made after 9 games is at best premature, no?? There are so many examples of football clubs successfully changing managers that the point should hardly need repeating . Any idiot can have a plan , finding somebody with the ability to formulate a feasible plan and carry it out successfully is the difficult part . Are you seriously comparing Alan Pardew to Ted Bates and Lawrie McMenemy ? If so I'd say you were in danger of being a tad 'premature' there . :smt103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 There are so many examples of football clubs successfully changing managers that the point should hardly need repeating . Any idiot can have a plan , finding somebody with the ability to formulate a feasible plan and carry it out successfully is the difficult part . Are you seriously comparing Alan Pardew to Ted Bates and Lawrie McMenemy ? If so I'd say you were in danger of being a tad 'premature' there . :smt103 There are more examples of clubs changing manager and getting worse is what the study showed. Of course failing managers are replaced. You have no idea whether Pardew could be our club's most or least successful manager after nine games. That's the whole fecking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 There are more examples of clubs changing manager and getting worse is what the study showed. Of course failing managers are replaced. You have no idea whether Pardew could be our club's most or least successful manager after nine games. That's the whole fecking point. Considering what happened last season, do you really want lightning to strike in the same place twice ? Poortvillet was given far too long, probably on the back on sentiment like yours. People like you were even then going on about giving it time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 We need to be out of the relegation zone by xmas or AP should go imo. 15 points every 10 games (over a season) would leave us mid table(ish) this should be the absolute minimum acceptable return from the next 10 games. Yes yes yes but what if we get 9 points from every ten games or perhaps worse! What then?????????? AP has shown no tactical knowledge what so ever so far, he's virtually all his own players out there and no strategy in games at all!! Oh yes we one strategy - I do appologise - it's evidently to play very narrow with no width and no cover for the full backs! ITS NOT WORKING!!! No win Saturday and no sign of a tactical strategy and it's enough for me......This is a very expensive hand picked squad he should be doing better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 because you usually end up by knocking peoplewho imo have helped shape this club and given me great joy over the last 50 years of support' date=' saw first game August 1960 and we thumped the Skates 5-1.[/quote'] That's nothing. Bath Saint and me have been going since the 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Considering what happened last season, do you really want lightning to strike in the same place twice ? Poortvillet was given far too long, probably on the back on sentiment like yours. People like you were even then going on about giving it time... Well things certainly picked up under Wotte alright... What has last season got to do with this? Why can you not forget it and move on?? This season: a) are we leaving our best players out? b) selling the only talent we have? c) operating under a manager with no experience in the UK? d) playing scholars and the youth team... Last year is gone. We have one or two players left in the team from that era who may make the grade. If they don't come January we'll buy replacements for them. It really is quite simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Jeese, how long do we have to wait for any kind of fix let alone a quick fix. Ok, we are no longer broke as a club but despite everything we are still a club that cannot produce a run of good results. Be patient, stop whinging, give them time, these words are wearing thin after 4/5 years of going through watching this team constantly churn out ****e results. Have we not improved since the well beaten team that played Huddersfiled back in August? So results haven't gone as we hoped but there is plenty of evidence to suggest they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 You preach the virtue of patience yet worshiped a chairman that got through 10 managers in as many years including sacking Paul Sturrock two games into a season! Do you suffer from a bi polar personality disorder or something? Ironic isn't it and now the most rabid anti-Loweites are all for adopting his manager merry-go-round just 10 games into a debt free and sure footed season! The brief answer to your final question is no, why do you ask? Need advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 That's nothing. Bath Saint and me have been going since the 30s. Your 30s or the 1930's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Ironic isn't it and now the most rabid anti-Loweites are all for adopting his manager merry-go-round just 10 games into a debt free and sure footed season! The brief answer to your final question is no, why do you ask? Need advice? This post should be nailed to the site masthead. Lowe's failing - lack of stability. Now called for by those who campaigned and boycotted to have him removed. You couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 This post should be nailed to the site masthead. Lowe's failing - lack of stability. Now called for by those who campaigned and boycotted to have him removed. You couldn't make it up. No, Lowe's failing was a complete lack of understanding about the nature of a football club and football fans. The instability was simply a symptom of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 This post should be nailed to the site masthead. Lowe's failing - lack of stability. Now called for by those who campaigned and boycotted to have him removed. You couldn't make it up. The team was pretty rubbish as well I would have thought when we got relegated with a geriatic defence That was the time we needed Markus after the 2003 Cup Final when we needed finance to improve the team/squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 No, Lowe's failing was a complete lack of understanding about the nature of a football club and football fans. The instability was simply a symptom of that. No his problem was he had no money to enhance the team - something we dont have now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm not calling for his head yet? But back to the initial question, how many more winless games would you tolerate? I'd say 6, if mostly draws, and 3 straight defeats I expect change. Everyone has a breaking point, what is yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 The team was pretty rubbish as well I would have thought when we got relegated with a geriatic defence That was the time we needed Markus after the 2003 Cup Final when we needed finance to improve the team/squad Everything I wanted as a fan, I now have. Rather than selling players we are buying the best players. Rather than having an idiot coach promoted beyond his ability, we have a proven expensive manager. Rather than debt, we have money. Rather than a focus on anything but football, we focus everything on the first team. If this doesn't work I will give up going to football for life. You are right, if we had access to money after 2003, right now we could be sat where Aston Villa are. We still might be, it's just five years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 No his problem was he had no money to enhance the team - something we dont have now Hmm, not convinced. Mr. Prudent Lowe wasted his fair share of money on sh*t (Delgado), then didnt have the nous and instinct to buy the right players at the right time, such as Adebayour and Drogba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I'm not calling for pardews head he is the best we could have hoped for in terms of experience. Is one win in ten acceptable? The non entities down the road aren't settling for zero wins in 7, Hart is a dead man walking. 1 win in ten is absolute relegation form. Simple question how long are you prepared to wait for the next win? And how long do you expect the board to give him? In answer to the original question 2 seasons minimum.If after that we are not promoted then he should be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Have we not improved since the well beaten team that played Huddersfiled back in August? So results haven't gone as we hoped but there is plenty of evidence to suggest they will. Exactly. Yesterday's team was unrecognisable from the one humbled at Huddersfield. It's all coming together, but probably less quickly than some would like. footy's an inexact science, so I'm not too concerned by that rate of progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubsaint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 i'm not calling for pardews head he is the best we could have hoped for in terms of experience. Is one win in ten acceptable? The non entities down the road aren't settling for zero wins in 7, hart is a dead man walking. 1 win in ten is absolute relegation form. Simple question how long are you prepared to wait for the next win? And how long do you expect the board to give him? saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Everything I wanted as a fan, I now have. Rather than selling players we are buying the best players. Rather than having an idiot coach promoted beyond his ability, we have a proven expensive manager. Rather than debt, we have money. Rather than a focus on anything but football, we focus everything on the first team. If this doesn't work I will give up going to football for life. You are right, if we had access to money after 2003, right now we could be sat where Aston Villa are. We still might be, it's just five years away. It will eventually work out but it may not involve Pardew and I think it will take longer than five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 There are more examples of clubs changing manager and getting worse is what the study showed. Of course failing managers are replaced. You have no idea whether Pardew could be our club's most or least successful manager after nine games. That's the whole fecking point. I would be interested to see the details of this study you are using - please either provide a link so that we can all reference it or stop 'quoting' from it . You have no more idea as to Pardew's future success (or lack of) than anybody else on here , all we do have to go on his what he has achieved so far . The record shows that (at this time) he and his team are performing at less than one point per game level , with more than a 5th of the season already gone this is certain relegation form . I view another relegation as unacceptable , don't you ? You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that I've called for Pardew's instant dismissal , I have said no such thing - what I do say is that he has to improve the teams results in short order or face the consequences . As for sprinkling your posts with pseudo obscenities such as 'ferking' for instance I suggest you try and calm down a bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 1 October, 2009 Share Posted 1 October, 2009 the bristol game was a cracking game and bar the last 20 minutes it was even and some might say saints had the better chances. we created more chances in this game then most of the previous home games so that is a positive. bristol's first 2 goals were dreadful defending. the third was a wonder striker worthy to win any game though if I was to be critical mills should have closed quicker. i think once thommo comes back in at RB then we will be ok. James is a good crosser but positionally he is awful and any half decent winger will have a field day against him. lets give AP more time. a change of manager is not the answer. remember this club has lost its winning mentality so sacking the manager is not the answer. it is down to the players to perform and be consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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