Ok I will say it. Papa was god awful

[Thedelldays]

Got called the usual crap for daring to say i wanted to wait before getting all excited about papa.

 

Well I saw him last night and. Errr

he has some pace give him that. But not too sure he knows what he was doing.

 

He I not really a winger and going by his ridiculous interpretation of what off side is I'm not convinced yet thy he is a striker

 

hope this was a one off

[Lumypie]

Augustin Delgado springs to mind all hype no output lets hope he adjusts to the English game i will give him some ceredit for being in the right place and he never stopped running

[surrey1saint]

Hello,he scored didn't he......thats god awful??

[Thedelldays]

Augustin Delgado springs to mind all hype no output lets hope he adjusts to the English game i will give him some ceredit for being in the right place and he never stopped running

 

Indeed... That is why I hope it was a one off

when he was up front he was in a differen leave to BWP on straying off side. It was horrible to watch

[John B]

Augustin Delgado springs to mind all hype no output lets hope he adjusts to the English game i will give him some ceredit for being in the right place and he never stopped running

 

Delgado was a very good international goal scorer injured and of no value to Saints.

 

waigo needs time but coming to League 1 he is not going to be that good probably

[Thedelldays]

Hello,he scored didn't he......thats god awful??

 

Were you there last night? He scored a goal that was already in and from about 2 inches out as it bounced back out.

 

I'm talking about his overall game

[bungle]

He wasn't great, but then:

 

1) It was his first start for us, so still getting used to team mates

2) He has only ever played competitive football in Italy, a totally different style of football. It will take a bit of time to acclimatise.

3) I didn't think we gave him much great service.

 

So, not an awe inspiring debut, but I see no reason to write him off just yet.

[Saints Warrior]

Ali Dyer..were do we get these players from. Has he actually played football before? not including the local pub team???

[Thedelldays]

He wasn't great, but then:

 

1) It was his first start for us, so still getting used to team mates

2) He has only ever played competitive football in Italy, a totally different style of football. It will take a bit of time to acclimatise.

3) I didn't think we gave him much great service.

 

So, not an awe inspiring debut, but I see no reason to write him off just yet.

 

Fair points.. Totally

 

but I'm sure the offside rule is the same in Italy. He was wandering waaaaay offside when upfront, so much it was horrible to watch

 

like I said, hope it was a one off

[John B]

Fair points.. Totally

 

but I'm sure the offside rule is the same in Italy. He was wandering waaaaay offside when upfront, so much it was horrible to watch

 

like I said, hope it was a one off

 

He has replaced BWP who had the same disregard for the rules;)

[bungle]

Fair points.. Totally

 

but I'm sure the offside rule is the same in Italy. He was wandering waaaaay offside when upfront, so much it was horrible to watch

 

like I said, hope it was a one off

 

The game is so much slower in Italy, you often see strikers wandering around offside, and then diving back onside to make their run. It doesn't really work as well in England as the game is so much quicker, and he'll have to adjust to that.

[Stattmeister]

I disagree mate - admittedly, he has no understanding of the offside rule whatsoever which is more than a little annoying (but I can remember Pipo Inzaghi being the same as that a few years back)!

 

I thought Waigo put in a disciplined right wing display, which included tracking back which allowed James to offer a bit on the overlap and get some useful balls in... his "width" (which we have been crying out for) also spread the play across a lot more of the pitch, which ultimatley left more room in the middle for Hammond to burst into/Lallana to drop into as he pulled defenders with him. Oh, and he also scored (who cares how-it was a tap in, but he was first to the ball to tap it in, sheesh!).

 

For his first start for us, I thought it was a pretty decent performance. When up top, his movement in the channels seemed to offer far more than Saga (although, in his defence, he didn't have that long).

 

He was never going to live up to the hype to be fair to him, else he'd have put one in the onion bag versus Liverpool in the Champions League rather than League One against Bristol Rovers.

[teamsaint]

Much of our best stuff was with him on the ball. If we can use him right we will get a lot out of hiim

[Badger]

Augustin Delgado springs to mind all hype no output lets hope he adjusts to the English game i will give him some ceredit for being in the right place and he never stopped running

 

In many ways I am more fearful it might be 'Chicken George' MkII, great pace,some control but difficulty in combining the two.But never mind he can become a cult hero for ( his dance) comedy value.Hope I am wrong.

 

 

He wasn't great, but then:

 

1) It was his first start for us, so still getting used to team mates

2) He has only ever played competitive football in Italy, a totally different style of football. It will take a bit of time to acclimatise.

3) I didn't think we gave him much great service.

 

So, not an awe inspiring debut, but I see no reason to write him off just yet.

 

I will go with Bungle's fairminded and reasonable approach for the timebeing.

[saintbletch]

Fair points.. Totally

 

but I'm sure the offside rule is the same in Italy. He was wandering waaaaay offside when upfront, so much it was horrible to watch

like I said, hope it was a one off

 

It's funny how two people can see things differently. I was left thinking if only our midfield had played Papa in earlier he'd have been onside. He'd got himself isolated one on one with a defender a number of times but never got a ball that he could chase. But I'd agree there were other times when it looked like we had Bradley back.

 

And as for God Awful, that's just not a reflection of his starting debut IMO. He didn't have a great game but I thought he did a lot of running for the team and showed great discipline by covering his full back well - unlike Mellis who seemed to wander into all sorts of positions leaving his full back exposed on the break.

 

I was concerned that we didn't get to see Papa's alledged pace one on one. He seemed unable/not confident enough to try to go past players. What was clear to me last night was that we need some pace and if Papa doesn't have that then we're going to struggle for goals this year.

[shurlock]

He got better as the game went on TBF. First half wasn't given the ball enough or when he did get it, it had taken an eternity by which time the defender was right up his a$$ amd touch was too heavy.

 

Second half looked much more with it and was heavily involved in our long spell of possession- for instance, it was his cross that Schneiderlin should have converted.

 

Actually he thought he did a decent job defensively. Got back every time and provided ample cover for James - one reason why they didn't have much success down our right.

Edited 30 September, 2009 by shurlock

[West End Saint]

Well he didnt look like the world beater we hoped he would be 1st touch wasnt all that off side a lot didnt provide any decent crosses but did score.

 

I can rember us slating Bennett from Reading who had a couple of shocking games but then went on to play really well.

 

I hope we will see better from Papa I think we will

[Glasgow_Saint]

He is not going to match expectations as no fault of his own, he was blown up to some potential superstar.

 

Seen him only the once and thought he looked awkward and 1st touch was poor. He may come good, but for now jury is still out.

[S-Clarke]

He wasn't that good, he anticipated the goal well though - a yard before any rovers players were there.

 

I had hopes for him as a winger to solve our right side problem, but not on last night's showing.

 

Just ran like a headless chiken and did not keep wide at all. Was better when he was put through the middle IMO.

 

He has pace, but like Jake...he doesn't use it correctly.

 

I'm sure he'll get better though...esp his offside issues!

[Andy_Porter]

He was like a gangly BWP really.

 

Our fans really need to stop getting excited about players before they've kicked a ball for us, puts too much pressure on the lads. Could see some potential in Waigo just hope he can adapt to the league.

[VectisSaint]

Ali Dyer..were do we get these players from. Has he actually played football before? not including the local pub team???

Ali Dyer, where do we get these posters from ? LOL

[monkadill]

Went to the game as im working in Portsmouth, was suprised by his LACK of pace. He could develop into a real asset but i dont think we have the luxary of time.

[The Kraken]

Typical over-reactionary post. "God awful" is an utterly ridiculous description of his performance.

 

One thing's for sure, he looks better up front that wide right, as he drifted out of the game far too much when playing on the right. That said, he scored a goal (I also thought it was already in but you've got to give him credit for beating two defenders to the ball to make sure) and he had a great bit of play down the right to set up Schneiderlin, who I can't believe didn't score.

 

There were a couple of opportunities when he was caught offside when I actually blamed the midfield for taking 2 or 3 touches before playing him in, where he was anticipating an early ball. Although the 2 or 3 times he was caught offside just before being subbed looked to me as if he was completely knackered. To be expected I suppose with his lack of games of late.

 

It wasn't a polished performance for sure. but there's certainly enough there to suggest he'll settle in, get better, and provide us with a dimension we currently don't have. "God awful", he most definitely isn't.

[OldNick]

He did ok and his pace was missed when he was taken off (now that was a bad mis judgement) it gave their defence more confidence to come out with the ball and not worry about being caught.

[eurosaint]

Just for the record, he did not score a goal !The ball had clearly crossed the line from where I was sitting in the Kingsland and(more importantly) the ref confirmed after the game that he awarded the goal before Papa tapped it in !!!

Ps. IMO he showed potential and a few glimpses of possible class, but still too early to assess properly !

[Scummer]

the ref confirmed after the game that he awarded the goal before Papa tapped it in !!

 

Where was that confirmed? It's showing as a goal by Waigo on the BBC, Soccerbase, Football 365 etc.

[The Kraken]

Just for the record, he did not score a goal !The ball had clearly crossed the line from where I was sitting in the Kingsland and(more importantly) the ref confirmed after the game that he awarded the goal before Papa tapped it in !!!

Ps. IMO he showed potential and a few glimpses of possible class, but still too early to assess properly !

 

The lineman's performance for that goal was absolutely comical; much in keeping with his overall performance.

 

The ball was clearly over the line from Lambert's header, but the lino didn't flag. Waigo then came in and made sure, and only when the ball hit the back of the net did the lino raise his flag and start legging it back to the halfway line. A total bottle job.

 

The standard of refereeing and linemanship in this division is so, so far below even Championship level that it's frightening. And I thought THAT was poor...

[Nineteen Canteen]

He was like a gangly BWP really.

 

Our fans really need to stop getting excited about players before they've kicked a ball for us, puts too much pressure on the lads. Could see some potential in Waigo just hope he can adapt to the league.

 

Funny you should mention that - I thought the same. I thought he was continually trying his best to beat the offside by stepping up and back to unsettle their back 4 but the ball was never played early enough for him and so his anticipation looked wrong when perhaps we was stepping up into an onside position but the edleivery was either delayed or poor as a result we was more often than not caught offside or fighting for scraps.

 

My only complaint is that like Mellis he looks a tad lightweight in his challenges and as defence should start in attack an ability to win the ball back is an asset especially in this league of scrappers and fighters.

[Badger]

He was like a gangly BWP really.

 

 

Which probably coincides with my earlier comment about "Chicken George MkII".

[once_bitterne]

Just for the record, he did not score a goal !The ball had clearly crossed the line from where I was sitting in the Kingsland and(more importantly) the ref confirmed after the game that he awarded the goal before Papa tapped it in !!!

Ps. IMO he showed potential and a few glimpses of possible class, but still too early to assess properly !

 

Is this confirmed? All the papers seem to be giving it to Waigo? Lambert's header was clearly over the line but from what I saw the Linesman did not signal a goal and the ref did not blow his whistle until Waigo bundled it in.

 

At half-time in the concourse Ladbrokes were offering 4-1 on Lambert as next goalscorer so would have been gutted if I had put some cash on it as I'm sure they would not have paid out!!!

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

Papa is ****!

[St Will]

I thought he had a good first touch, and might have been better down the wing if he'd had the ball played over the top into the channel rather than to his feet all the time.

 

He only started straying offside in the 2nd half when he was clearly knackered. That's why he was subbed pretty sharpish.

[Guided Missile]

Is this confirmed? All the papers seem to be giving it to Waigo? Lambert's header was clearly over the line but from what I saw the Linesman did not signal a goal and the ref did not blow his whistle until Waigo bundled it in.

 

At half-time in the concourse Ladbrokes were offering 4-1 on Lambert as next goalscorer so would have been gutted if I had put some cash on it as I'm sure they would not have paid out!!!

 

Definitely Lambert's goal and the Echo confirms this today....

[John Smith]

At last we have someone with pace. It was needed. It may not be electrifying pace that a young Michael Owen might give you, but more of a gangly Asprilla type that looks awkward but shifts across the surface. Both are acceptable to me, but one may look more polished than the other style of running quickly.

 

All academic, he is fast, and if he can remain onside, and keep the ball in playing distance, he'll do just nicely. I think the conclusion is that we need to get him in behind defenders more, but we haven't had someone like that for some time now and we need to adjust to his style as he does to ours.

 

I view it this way, we have someone fast, he scored and we actually scored TWICE from open play! Hooray! We conceded 3! Not through any fault of our new fast addition and so it's not down to Papa that we lost but we should be considering that we would've won those other games that were close, but that our defence needs tightening even though we have the right selection, maybe Jaidi has added a different dimension.

 

So, in conclusion, attacking options look better, defence still seems unpredictable. And, either way, we still should be winning games like this, especially at home, not good. But, not good from a team perspective not an individual basis.

[RedAndWhite91]

He's got pace, and he seems to be able to cross a ball and run towards players to take them on in a positive manner. He still isn't 100% match fit but he is getting there, and when he came off last night I didn't think "Oh, he was God awful". He is something different in this league and teams are going to struggle against him. I bet you don't often get Serie 'A' players on loan to League One clubs. Give him time, that was his first start in this league, a league which is bound to be alien to him.

[eurosaint]

Where was that confirmed? It's showing as a goal by Waigo on the BBC, Soccerbase, Football 365 etc.

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1812494,00.html

 

See 46th Min - Lambert.

Also on Solent last night after the game they said that the ref had confirmed it !

[Chez]

I real mixed bag. He was not picked out with a pass and thats why he was to be found in an offside position so often. His first touch was often extremey good but at times woeful. He didn't show hsi pace much and he didn't really do anything of note. He didn't work all that hard, he did jog across the pitch and track his man from time to time.

He certainly wasn't a great threat going forward in terms of dribbling, but he showed good awareness with his passes inside being decent. He tired about 10 minutes before he came off. Can't say I'm all that impressed and pull those socks down FFS you big girl.

[Huntingdon]

I thought he did OK, but people need to get a reality check

 

If he was truly world class - do you honestly think he would leave a Champions League outfit to join a team on minus points st the bottom of League 1?

[Gordon Mockles]

Got called the usual crap for daring to say i wanted to wait before getting all excited about papa.

 

Well I saw him last night and. Errr

he has some pace give him that. But not too sure he knows what he was doing.

 

He I not really a winger and going by his ridiculous interpretation of what off side is I'm not convinced yet thy he is a striker

 

hope this was a one off

 

Don't let the facts that it's his first full start in the English League, he was up against a strong and determined Bristol side, he's been here 5mins and is still adapting to the squad and he's spent his entire career in Italy get in the way of your harsh criticism. He's probably received numerous instructions too (maybe not all clear to him), with the language barrier also a stumbling block. I'm sure things will improve.

 

Most beside me thought he looked a bit raw but a good prospect. I don't understand your ridiculously short patience and over-reaction. He made a few mistakes but who wouldn't when you consider his background. Such apathy and relentless criticism from Saints fans. No wonder the team have no confidence if you're the barometer of fan feeling. Fair enough if he doesn't deliver after half a season or so but give him time. You may find yourself pleasantly surprised!

 

We are all bitterly disappointed by the loss when we played well for long periods but it's all about results! Blaming a new starter is not conducive to sparking up confidence, despite your comments only being on an over reactionary fan forum! ;o)

 

Whilst Waigo got pushed off the ball a few times and caught offside (as many strikers do, get over it! Look at BWP), he hooked a few crosses right onto the attackers head (unlike any other players crosses) from no run up, he jumps high and could be another aerial threat and I believe he's an eye for goal and has a football brain. When he learns to watch the line, his pace will always get chances off the last man and he will get goals and assists. His pace offers wide play and many more options which we don't currently have. Pardew believes this and so do many more astute fans. He followed up Lambert's goal (he was fast to react - that deserves credit) to make sure it was in and worked suitably well considering. I expect more from him but to expect miracles from a player from ENTIRELY different leagues is both short sighted and unfair.

[Micky]

Ya gotta larf...! Having never, ever seen him play we made him out to be a demigod, now after one full game he's garbage...!

 

Us fickle - notatall...!!

[david in sweden]

He wasn't great, but then:

 

1) It was his first start for us, so still getting used to team mates

2) He has only ever played competitive football in Italy, a totally different style of football. It will take a bit of time to acclimatise.

3) I didn't think we gave him much great service.

 

So, not an awe inspiring debut, but I see no reason to write him off just yet.

 

 

Well said! Already he's got critics. What do they expect..?

 

He hasn't trained with us, can't handle the language very well ..if at all ?

..and isn't the single-handed answer to our strike problems.

What's next ......some people want to write him off straight away. Give the guy a chance.

 

The " match-changing " hero type Roy of the Rovers (too long ago for some of you ) ...only turns up once every decade, let's not make him the scapegoat for the whole teams shortcomings .

[SNSUN]

He wasn't very good, he did get caught offside, and at times looked like he didn't want the ball when it was passed to him. BUT:

 

1) He scored a tap in, so I guess you could chalk that up to having some sort of poachers instinct

 

2) He is quick. Now we need to use that pace without letting him have the ball.

 

3) To be honest, he did have some good touches from time to time.

 

He will be a good player for us, but can we spare him the time to gel? I'd still start him against Gillingham.

[Kingsland Red]

Papa was good for 60 minutes but seemed to stop playing once he scored.

Then he went through the off side thing and was replaced far too late on.

Well worth another go if only to provide something different.

Unfortunately last night others also became anonymous in the second half.

Maybe credit to a very fit Rovers team.

[beatlesaint]

I thought he did well. Took a while to adapt to the pace, cos this aint like Italian football in any way, shape or form, and tired from about 75mins, hence coming off, but to me he got better as the first half wore on and looked quite useful second half.

 

Lets face it if he was the next Ronaldo he wouldn't be here would he !!

[Bishop]

I like him

[Stanley Saint]

Which probably coincides with my earlier comment about "Chicken George MkII".

 

Never, ever, ever knock the mighty George Lawrence.

[gjphilsaint]

Surely with his alleged pace he doesnt need to sit on the defensive line, remember how Berkovic used to break through from a few feet behind the defensive line.. if papa is that quick surely he could give a few yards..?

[Rory]

Although being one, I really, really hate Saints fans.

[Chez]

Never, ever, ever knock the mighty George Lawrence.

 

no one, and I mean no one ever finds row Z quite like chicken did. What's he up to these days by the way. Leg end

[Pokerchampion]

Papa , put two beautiful crosses on a plate for morgan , and hammond , his performance was a bit lack lustre , but two key passes that should have been goals warrants his starting line up . Oh also he scored .Also first half he was not being passed to when totally unmarked on the edge of the penaulty area . oh and i forgot what about the lovely back heel that got lallana in front of goal with just the keeper to beat . A striker with composure would have finished all three chances off .