Pardew Out. But when?

[St Marco]

What i find slightly funny is if you change the word "Pardew" to pretty much any of our previous 100 managers in the last 12 months, you would find the same things being said about them by the same people now. You got Burley = not happy, Dodd and Gorman = not happy, Pearson = not happy, JP = not happy, Wotte = not happy and now Pardew = not happy.

I don't know if it is just me but i see a pattern there!

[up and away]

Wow, more mindless worthless opinions from some idiot not at the game. Quelle Surprise....

 

 

 

Oh do give it a rest, you idiot. We're not stupid, we can see through your silly little verbal tricks. If I post a thread entitled

 

"Alpine saint out?"

 

and raise the question

 

"How long can people put up with this guy commenting without any basis in fact of from any first hand knowledge?"

 

then it is pretty clear which camp I'm in, even though I'm not actually making the call one way or other. You should be ashamed of your pathetic schoolboy logic and grow a pair to state your real opinion instead of hiding behind "theoretical questions".

 

I am not going to get into the ins and outs of what Alpine said, because I do not know. The one thing I did notice was certain posters were more than happy after the Yeovil result, followed by severe doubts following the Bristol Rovers game.

 

To me this was all arse about face, with very little in the Yeovil match to demonstrate things were progressing apart from the result. Against Bristol Rovers I thought there was definite room for optimism, even though the result never favoured us.

 

I believe up to the Bristol Rovers match Pardew was deserved of any mild rebuke given the amount of time and money he had, very slow to come to the boil would be appropriate. Some of his comments I found very ill judged, such as the springboard of the Yeovil match, where he seemed to be watching a different game. The main disagreement was over the psychological impact of being on negative points, this should never had been allowed to raise its head and was poor management, sounding like a manager looking after his back than anything else. We now are left with those psychological hurdles of being bottom, then the relegation zone, then so far from the play offs, just where does it stop?

 

Following the Yeovil game I have been very impressed by everything Pardew has said and done, but it certainly looked like the pressure was getting to him prior. One thing he cannot be faulted for from the beginning is the players he has brought in, sometimes as important as all the other aspects required from a manager.

[alpine_saint]

What i find slightly funny is if you change the word "Pardew" to pretty much any of our previous 100 managers in the last 12 months, you would find the same things being said about them by the same people now. You got Burley = not happy, Dodd and Gorman = not happy, Pearson = not happy, JP = not happy, Wotte = not happy and now Pardew = not happy.

I don't know if it is just me but i see a pattern there!

 

What a load of boll*cks.

 

Talk about sweeping generalisations.

[St Marco]

I am not going to get into the ins and outs of what Alpine said, because I do not know. The one thing I did notice was certain posters were more than happy after the Yeovil result, followed by severe doubts following the Bristol Rovers game.

 

To me this was all arse about face, with very little in the Yeovil match to demonstrate things were progressing apart from the result. Against Bristol Rovers I thought there was definite room for optimism, even though the result never favoured us.

 

I believe up to the Bristol Rovers match Pardew was deserved of any mild rebuke given the amount of time and money he had, very slow to come to the boil would be appropriate. Some of his comments I found very ill judged, such as the springboard of the Yeovil match, where he seemed to be watching a different game. The main disagreement was over the psychological impact of being on negative points, this should never had been allowed to raise its head and was poor management, sounding like a manager looking after his back than anything else. We now are left with those psychological hurdles of being bottom, then the relegation zone, then so far from the play offs, just where does it stop?

 

Following the Yeovil game I have been very impressed by everything Pardew has said and done, but it certainly looked like the pressure was getting to him prior. One thing he cannot be faulted for from the beginning is the players he has brought in, sometimes as important as all the other aspects required from a manager.

 

I sort of agree.

 

But i think it maybe goes the other way. Most match fans actually could see the team was playing better. The results were not great but we were not losing. With each new player added to the team the peformances improved. I think adding Waigo and Mellis was the completion of the missing links. After that Bristol game i think most people looked at the team and thought it was now good enough to do what was needed. Where as before i don't think the team was good enough. We added Harding,Hammond,Lambert,Mellis,Trotman,Jaidi,Waigo to the squad after the season started. 4 of those 7 only have been here for the last 6 games. Is it coincidence that then in the 6 games they have been here the team has gone on to win 4 of the 6?

I think people expected too much from a pretty crap team prior to that point. But even then they were not playing that bad, they just could not be consistent.

 

I was talking to other Saints fans after the Southend game and they talked about how the team is building up it's own identity. Since Pardew has been here he has brought in Harding,Murty,Mellis,Lambert,Trotman,Jaidi,Hammond,Antonio,Waigo. 9 players. Those 9 players with the exception of Antonio (don't think 45mins is fair to judge him on) the other 8 have made a huge difference. You could say they have all done pretty well. The only players being used from last season are Davis,Lallana and Morgan. Perry and Thomas get a run out when others are injured but they are not first team choice by the looks of it. So really only 2 outfield players remain. It is almost a new team. A team Pardew has put together for just £1.7m. Im pretty sure most fans would rather have this team then the teams we had for the past 2-3 seasons.

[St Marco]

What a load of boll*cks.

 

Talk about sweeping generalisations.

 

But that is the point Alpine. It is not ********.

 

You might not like that fact but it is true. If this forum had a poll up asking who would be the first 4-5 people turning on our new manager i am certain the poll would be pretty acurate.

[CB Fry]

But that is the point Alpine. It is not ********.

 

You might not like that fact but it is true. If this forum had a poll up asking who would be the first 4-5 people turning on our new manager i am certain the poll would be pretty acurate.

 

 

Two questions.

 

Who are these four or five people in your opinion?

 

And who at this moment in time have "turned on" Pardew?

[St Marco]

Two questions.

 

Who are these four or five people in your opinion?

 

And who at this moment in time have "turned on" Pardew?

 

Im not going to fan the flames by saying names. It is pointless. But im certain most people would agree on who those people are!

 

And i don't think "turned" is the right phrase to use. I think "waiting to be impressed" would probably be a more accurate term.

 

Don't get me wrong im not implying those people are not allowed to think like that. We have only won 3 league games from 12. That is only 25% win ratio, not amazing. But you get a sense of "de-ja-vu" with certain people and their comments. Like say we go to Oldham next weekend and get stuffed 5-0 you already know what those people will say

[CB Fry]

Im not going to fan the flames by saying names. It is pointless. But im certain most people would agree on who those people are!

 

And i don't think "turned" is the right phrase to use. I think "waiting to be impressed" would probably be a more accurate term.

 

Don't get me wrong im not implying those people are not allowed to think like that. We have only won 3 league games from 12. That is only 25% win ratio, not amazing. But you get a sense of "de-ja-vu" with certain people and their comments. Like say we go to Oldham next weekend and get stuffed 5-0 you already know what those people will say

 

 

Fair dos.

 

But its also fair to say if we do lose 5-0 at Oldham the people expressing displeasure will be out numbered by the arse-aching bore-monkeys who seem to think even the smallest grumble about the worst defeat needs to be greeted with the old "Lawrie got relegated in his first season blah blah blah" routine. People like SOG are determined to imagine into existance some Pardew out lobby that simply is not there.

 

If we lose 5-0 at Oldham absolutely everyone has the right to question whether Pardew is up to the job, much like if we win 5-0 we can all talk about storming the playoffs and "how would we do in the CCC next season".

 

But we do not need to hear the "stick with the manager" bore-a-thon over and over again. We get it, shut up already. (not you Marco )

[scotty]

Im not going to fan the flames by saying names. It is pointless. But im certain most people would agree on who those people are!

 

And i don't think "turned" is the right phrase to use. I think "waiting to be impressed" would probably be a more accurate term.

 

Don't get me wrong im not implying those people are not allowed to think like that. We have only won 3 league games from 12. That is only 25% win ratio, not amazing. But you get a sense of "de-ja-vu" with certain people and their comments. Like say we go to Oldham next weekend and get stuffed 5-0 you already know what those people will say

 

Come off it, look when those wins came. Everyone on here was saying at seasons start that it was going to take time given the unholy mess Pardew inherited but then they seem to have forgotten that bit and expected instant results anyway. The team is coming together now, you might as well say 2 wins from the last 2 games is hopefully a good indicator of things to come. The home defeat by crack-central rovers was just one of those things you cant legislate against, a good side hyper-motivated and maybe they got more than their usual ration that afternoon.

[St Marco]

Come off it, look when those wins came. Everyone on here was saying at seasons start that it was going to take time given the unholy mess Pardew inherited but then they seem to have forgotten that bit and expected instant results anyway. The team is coming together now, you might as well say 2 wins from the last 2 games is hopefully a good indicator of things to come. The home defeat by crack-central rovers was just one of those things you cant legislate against, a good side hyper-motivated and maybe they got more than their usual ration that afternoon.

 

No im just saying if people choose to look at the stats and base their level of happyness on that then naturally 3 wins from 12 is not going to make them too happy.

Where as i think most people, me included are happy based on many things and results are becoming one of them. If we beat Oldham we will have won 4 games in a row, god knows when the last time we did that was. probably in our playoff year. The main reason i myself am happy is down to the fact we can actually talk about football things again rather then rumours of xyz coming back, or xyz is about to leave etc etc. It makes a nice change to actually have people who give a **** about Southampton Fc inside the club.

[scotty]

No im just saying if people choose to look at the stats and base their level of happyness on that then naturally 3 wins from 12 is not going to make them too happy.

Where as i think most people, me included are happy based on many things and results are becoming one of them. If we beat Oldham we will have won 4 games in a row, god knows when the last time we did that was. probably in our playoff year. The main reason i myself am happy is down to the fact we can actually talk about football things again rather then rumours of xyz coming back, or xyz is about to leave etc etc. It makes a nice change to actually have people who give a **** about Southampton Fc inside the club.

 

Ive just got back from holiday so Im a bit hazy at the moment, but doesnt that southend result make it 4 wins from the last 5 games?

[Wes Tender]

Harding,Murty,Mellis,Lambert,Trotman,Jaidi,Hammond,Antonio,Waigo. 9 players. Those 9 players with the exception of Antonio (don't think 45mins is fair to judge him on) the other 8 have made a huge difference. You could say they have all done pretty well. The only players being used from last season are Davis,Lallana and Morgan. Perry and Thomas get a run out when others are injured but they are not first team choice by the looks of it. So really only 2 outfield players remain. It is almost a new team. A team Pardew has put together for just £1.7m. Im pretty sure most fans would rather have this team then the teams we had for the past 2-3 seasons.

 

It's a good point and one worthy of some speculation. Surely even in our pauperdom last season under Lowe and Wilde, £1.7 million would not have been beyond the bounds of possibility, especially if it meant the difference between staying up and avoiding administration, which we might have managed given the higher attendances we may have achieved. The only problem is that whereas Pearson might well have identified these players or similar ones, the double Dutch wouldn't have had a clue on them, or how to play them to the best advantage. I am certainly coming round to the belief that this team could have hacked it in the Fizzy Pop last season.

[glkdcdes]

Fair dos.

 

But its also fair to say if we do lose 5-0 at Oldham the people expressing displeasure will be out numbered by the arse-aching bore-monkeys who seem to think even the smallest grumble about the worst defeat needs to be greeted with the old "Lawrie got relegated in his first season blah blah blah" routine. People like SOG are determined to imagine into existance some Pardew out lobby that simply is not there.

 

If we lose 5-0 at Oldham absolutely everyone has the right to question whether Pardew is up to the job, much like if we win 5-0 we can all talk about storming the playoffs and "how would we do in the CCC next season".

 

But we do not need to hear the "stick with the manager" bore-a-thon over and over again. We get it, shut up already. (not you Marco )

 

Interesting how people can be so different. For instance i find it arse-achingly boring when the usual moaners come on after a loss to pull the team to pieces. Or to make snidey comments about Pardew or what ever takes there fancy.If you need to grumble and moan feel free, if it makes you feel better then good, but dont insult the majority of us that are simply happy with the obvious progress being made by the new regime.

[John B]

It's a good point and one worthy of some speculation. Surely even in our pauperdom last season under Lowe and Wilde, £1.7 million would not have been beyond the bounds of possibility, especially if it meant the difference between staying up and avoiding administration, which we might have managed given the higher attendances we may have achieved. The only problem is that whereas Pearson might well have identified these players or similar ones, the double Dutch wouldn't have had a clue on them, or how to play them to the best advantage. I am certainly coming round to the belief that this team could have hacked it in the Fizzy Pop last season.

 

Of course you are right in what you are saying but I still think the bank was dictating what was going on at St Mary's and football came a second best to reducing the debt.

[SaintDonkey]

Two questions.

 

Who are these four or five people in your opinion?

 

And who at this moment in time have "turned on" Pardew?

 

Just to refresh your memory we have 2 unequivicable "Pardew Out" on the first page of this thread.

 

ASAP.

 

We need wins and I just can't see it happening whilst he is here.

 

he was never the right man for the job.

Coppell was the person that we should've installed...if possible.

 

And of course there's plenty of "not quite saying Pardew Out but as near as damnit" from the usual suspects, who I guess were covering them selves so a few months from now if it has gone wrong can say "I said back in October that Pardew should be sacked".

 

Hypothetically how long should any manager be given is an interesting question. However I would say that docker-p's choice of wording when he posted the question was inflamatory and bound to solicit the response it has done rather than fostering intelligent debate.

[Wes Tender]

Of course you are right in what you are saying but I still think the bank was dictating what was going on at St Mary's and football came a second best to reducing the debt.

 

If the Bank could see that football itself was a viable way that the debt could be reduced, then I'm sure that they would be delighted, especially as they are sponsors of the Premier League and many of their customers are Saints fans too.

 

But even Mr Fry (not to be confused with the Administrator, even though he went on to work for them too) who was the Bank's advisor on football matters, could probably see at the start of last season that the bizarre experiment would end in disaster. It was against the background of impending relegation through increasingly poor results and falling attendances that he pulled the plug on us. I suppose to be fair, although the players only cost £1.7 million, their wages are also a factor, although I doubt that they are high compared to second division wages. As it was it was rumoured that we required an attendance figure of 17,000 to break even. Well, that is currently being achieved with no trouble. Now, it is certainly possible that many stayed away under Lowe who have returned to the fold now that he is gone. But there were also quite a few who stopped coming because they lost hope of seeing a home win. So I don't think that it is cut and dried that we might not have survived with this team, for the sake of really quite a low outlay, but with the right manager being capable of selecting the right players to do the job.

[CB Fry]

Just to refresh your memory we have 2 unequivicable "Pardew Out" on the first page of this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

And of course there's plenty of "not quite saying Pardew Out but as near as damnit" from the usual suspects, who I guess were covering them selves so a few months from now if it has gone wrong can say "I said back in October that Pardew should be sacked".

 

Hypothetically how long should any manager be given is an interesting question. However I would say that docker-p's choice of wording when he posted the question was inflamatory and bound to solicit the response it has done rather than fostering intelligent debate.

 

 

 

Two eh? A whole two? Two whole people? When are they going to march on SMS I wonder?

 

Those two were easily outnumbered by the "we nearly didn't have a club to support/Lawrie Mac/blah/blah/etc/etc" dull brigade.

 

And one of those two said he never wanted him which is a consistent and reasonable view to hold - he had effectively just relegated Charlton who he was supposed to be taking into the Prem. I think people like that are allowed to have doubts.

 

So that's one person then.

 

 

Everyone else is saying - if we are doing as appalling as this (three weeks ago) by Christmas then yep, we do seriously need to look at it. A perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

 

A viewpoint confirmed by our recent upsurge - we are now fixing the issues and we will charge up the table.

 

Meaning the "impatient" people are right and the "stick with the manager" dullards are wrong.

 

Pardew will deliver instant results. This season. Just like people like me said.

 

Not the "oh he needs two and a half seasons before any of us can ever judge him after all look at Ted Bates and Lawrie got us relegated and etc etc etc blah blah etc blah...." Pardew doesn't want two seasons of Ted Bates failure before he gets going.

 

Pardew is a winner and will deliver instantly and Pards I'd wager would agree with that sentiment on this thread more than he will the pensioners who think any manager needs to be rubbish for two years before achieving anything.

 

Go up to Alan Pardew and tell him you wouldn't mind if he relegates us this season after all Lawrie did and Ted Bates etc etc. Tell me what he says back to you. Because he aint planning for no relegation.

 

He wants results today. Pardew is as impatient as the fans you attack on here. Don't forget it.

Edited 12 October, 2009 by CB Fry

[St_Tel49]

It's a good point and one worthy of some speculation. Surely even in our pauperdom last season under Lowe and Wilde, £1.7 million would not have been beyond the bounds of possibility, especially if it meant the difference between staying up and avoiding administration, which we might have managed given the higher attendances we may have achieved. The only problem is that whereas Pearson might well have identified these players or similar ones, the double Dutch wouldn't have had a clue on them, or how to play them to the best advantage. I am certainly coming round to the belief that this team could have hacked it in the Fizzy Pop last season.

Actually, I think that some of the League 1 sides I have seen this year have not been much worse, if worse at all, that many of the sides we met last year. Only the top few championship sides would consistently beat a lot of League 1 sides IMHO.

[Charlie Wayman]

Certainly before Christmas.

[SaintDonkey]

Two eh? A whole two? Two whole people? When are they going to march on SMS I wonder?

 

I could only be arse to scan the first page of the thread for you. I really couldn't be arsed to read the entire thread to prove that you were talking bollix when only 1 Pardew out poster was required to do that.

 

I happen to agree with the posters who say "if things haven't improved by Christmas he should go - but I don't believe they won't have done". Check my earlier post in this thread - you are patronizingly re-iterating my own viewpoint back to me, well done have a smartie.

 

C.B. you normally post sense on here and as it happens I agree with everything you have said on the matter.

 

What I don't agree with is this knee jerk attacking of other posters who disagree with your view point.

[S-Clarke]

Certainly before Christmas.

 

Why did you not take up your season ticket to arsenal? (i think it was them..)

 

Every single post you make is complaining or criticizing any aspect of this football club - i don't understand what the hell you want from this club?

 

If you want pardrew out - who exactly replaces him? Go on..enlighten me.

 

I expect you're questioning Cortese and ML too - wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[alpine_saint]

Just to refresh your memory we have 2 unequivicable "Pardew Out" on the first page of this thread.

 

 

 

But I bet you any sum you like that those two posters are not amongst the "4 or 5 obvious" posters that St. Marco was alluding to.. :rolleyes:

 

Maybe people like him should stop and think before stereotyping people..

[Kaiser Soze]

Sh1t thread. Lock it.

[BadgerBadger]

can anyone sum up the last 6 pages in one quick post?

[The Cat]

can anyone sum up the last 6 pages in one quick post?

 

ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[latter day saint]

can anyone sum up the last 6 pages in one quick post?

yeah, a waste of **** ing time

[dubai_phil]

Perhaps we should have new definitions

 

Concern

Criticism

Constructive Criticism

 

That may balance the who falls where argument.

 

You can actually be seen as an anti while giving constructive advice/critcism = eg Pardew you idiot, all of us can see the team is unbalanced down the left had side, DO SOMETHING.

Which is actually sentiment wise what I said after the Brizzle game.

 

I am concerned that AP took the job when I felt WGS was a better choice - in English paper speak that reads as DP doesn't want Pardew ergo DP says Pardew out (which it doesn't)

 

Alps is getting beaten up because he just puts his opinion into one of those 3 contexts in a different way to the rest of us.

 

The key one is the blind cirticism which then gets linked to a daft statement. Charlton say AP was Karp so he should be gone by Christmas. That just doesn't actually merit even reading, it is either one of our Academy fans (ie a 14 year old Yoof) being well ard or, well you've all met them...

 

So, AP could be gone by Christmas. yes I agree.

 

Two scenarios

1) We really do improve and West Ham or Fulham come begging with a nice package and war chest

2) We do lose the plot, get torn apart every week down the left and nothing happens to stop it and our results and improvement flounder.

 

So I agree with the possibility, doesn't make me a Happy Clappy or a Manic Depressive, just a realist.

 

PERSONALLY. This is our best run for 3 years and we can see the work that has gone into it. You know, after 6 years of pain, I'm HAPPY with it, I'm ENJOYING it. I'm living for the moment (while watching for signs of complacency).

 

WHY? Because it will not last forever and anyone who doesn't enjoy the ride may be missing the best bit of our time with Saints for 25 odd years. Now THAT would be stupid.

[St Marco]

But I bet you any sum you like that those two posters are not amongst the "4 or 5 obvious" posters that St. Marco was alluding to.. :rolleyes:

 

Maybe people like him should stop and think before stereotyping people..

 

 

Well shall we create one of these polls then Alpine and see where you would come? You feel confident that im just "stereotyping" people so you would have nothing to worry about right?

[Dark Munster]

If the Bank could see that football itself was a viable way that the debt could be reduced, then I'm sure that they would be delighted, especially as they are sponsors of the Premier League and many of their customers are Saints fans too.

 

But even Mr Fry (not to be confused with the Administrator, even though he went on to work for them too) who was the Bank's advisor on football matters, could probably see at the start of last season that the bizarre experiment would end in disaster. It was against the background of impending relegation through increasingly poor results and falling attendances that he pulled the plug on us. I suppose to be fair, although the players only cost £1.7 million, their wages are also a factor, although I doubt that they are high compared to second division wages. As it was it was rumoured that we required an attendance figure of 17,000 to break even. Well, that is currently being achieved with no trouble. Now, it is certainly possible that many stayed away under Lowe who have returned to the fold now that he is gone. But there were also quite a few who stopped coming because they lost hope of seeing a home win. So I don't think that it is cut and dried that we might not have survived with this team, for the sake of really quite a low outlay, but with the right manager being capable of selecting the right players to do the job.

 

Wasn't there a report that Saints doubled Lambert's wages from when he was at Bristol Rovers?

 

17,000 may be the break-even point now, but it would be a lot higher if Saints were still servicing the previous debts (including the stadium mortgage).

 

I think the bottom line is that I see no way the club could've afforded buying the current team, and paying their wages, last year.

[Alain Perrin]

Well shall we create one of these polls then Alpine and see where you would come? You feel confident that im just "stereotyping" people so you would have nothing to worry about right?

 

"Who is the most 'glass half empty' poster?" - the results would be interesting, if irrelevant.

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. The one thing I do find funny is that amongst those critical of Pardew are also people who roundly criticise Lowe for sackings 40 managers in 40 nights. It begs the question, does the tail wag the dog.

 

We all want results, but results take time. It takes time to build a team.

 

An example. Every fan who saw Saints play Swindon saw the game crying out for a substitution. Pardew did nothing. Why? Does it make him tactically inept, or does it make him a genius?

 

I think Pardew was thinking, 'Better to loss a point here and get to know my team, than bring on Rasiak who I know is leaving next week'.

 

I don't know this, but the guy isn't stupid. And not making subs at Swindon was so obvious, he must have had a reason for not doing so. If not - we are ****ed

[DT]

 

Two scenarios

1) We really do improve and West Ham or Fulham come begging with a nice package and war chest

There is more chance of me winning the lottery and ****ging Lucy Pinder on the way to pick up my winnings, pausing only to find the keys to a shiny new Aston Martin under my doormat alongside more keys made of gold to a new house bequeathed to me by an auntie I never knew I had but who had recommended to Angelina Jolie that she should get rid of Brad and go with me, than there is of Alan Pardew going to West Ham. In my opinion.

[dubai_phil]

There is more chance of me winning the lottery and ****ging Lucy Pinder on the way to pick up my winnings, pausing only to find the keys to a shiny new Aston Martin under my doormat alongside more keys made of gold to a new house bequeathed to me by an auntie I never knew I had but who had recommended to Angelina Jolie that she should get rid of Brad and go with me, than there is of Alan Pardew going to West Ham. In my opinion.

 

I got some bad news for you.....

 

 

You could just be the first poster on here who hasn't ****ging Lucy Pinder In the back of the Aston (bit squashed though)

 

 

In their dreams of course

 

But this is football, who can tell what may happen in the future when money is involved

 

 

Spookily James Bond being shown from start to finish here ATM Goldfinger tonight with the Aston was on

 

Pussy Galore, just like Rock Bottom in the old days!

 

But I agree with you of course on the WHU was using it as an example

[Red and White Army]

can anyone sum up the last 6 pages in one quick post?

 

Allwhine_saint being a w@nker and trolling, the rest of us getting sucked in.

[SaintRobbie]

 

PERSONALLY. This is our best run for 3 years and we can see the work that has gone into it. You know, after 6 years of pain, I'm HAPPY with it, I'm ENJOYING it. I'm living for the moment (while watching for signs of complacency).

 

WHY? Because it will not last forever and anyone who doesn't enjoy the ride may be missing the best bit of our time with Saints for 25 odd years. Now THAT would be stupid.

 

I'd agree with that. What's more I am looking forward to Pardew's gradual bettering of Saints year on year out for the next 6 years.

 

Every year we go up a place and get better is a better year and more consistency in management.

 

Pardew brings hope along with new ownership. I am enjoying the rebuild!

[alpine_saint]

Well shall we create one of these polls then Alpine and see where you would come? You feel confident that im just "stereotyping" people so you would have nothing to worry about right?

 

I couldnt give a damn if I came top of such a poll.

 

If the sheep want to follow each other and accuse me of things I havent said, like "Pardew Out" it is more a reflection of their ability to observe and think about events independently that it is about my "hidden agenda".

 

There is even a post on here accusing people of not saying "Pardew Out", but thinking it, FFS.

 

Some people cannot handle different opinion, and thats the entire crux of the matter.

[Thedelldays]

I'd agree with that. What's more I am looking forward to Pardew's gradual bettering of Saints year on year out for the next 6 years.

 

Every year we go up a place and get better is a better year and more consistency in management.

 

Pardew brings hope along with new ownership. I am enjoying the rebuild!

 

If you think pardew is likely to still be our manager in 2015 then you are mental.

[lordswoodsaints]

What i find slightly funny is if you change the word "Pardew" to pretty much any of our previous 100 managers in the last 12 months, you would find the same things being said about them by the same people now. You got Burley = not happy, Dodd and Gorman = not happy, Pearson = not happy, JP = not happy, Wotte = not happy and now Pardew = not happy.

I don't know if it is just me but i see a pattern there!

 

Tbf there are not many managers I have felt 'happy' with,

 

Lawrie,nicholl,ball,souness,hoddle redknapp and strachan are all managers I have been happy with the rest IMO are nobodies,chancers or just fookin useless.

 

Perhaps I am fussy? But the above list is a list of managers that I have felt confident with their ability to do a good job. Perhaps a lot of you would disagree with redknapp but at the time of his appointment I felt that he had the ability and contacts to keep us up and I suspect that most of you felt the same.

 

With me it's all about confidence in the manager being able to do a good job and I just don't have that with pardew.

[Thedelldays]

What in sick with on this place is people like st will and one or two others above that simple cannot accept an alternative point of view and resort to personal insults

 

pathetic to say the least

 

no wonder the number of active posters seem to be dropping on here yet these people will blame th alpines of this world

[alpine_saint]

With me it's all about confidence in the manager being able to do a good job and I just don't have that with pardew.

 

How come you are allowed to say that and I am apparently not ??

[farawaysaint]

How come you are allowed to say that and I am apparently not ??

 

You're not entitled to an opinion, free speech is for other people.

[Wes Tender]

Wasn't there a report that Saints doubled Lambert's wages from when he was at Bristol Rovers?

 

17,000 may be the break-even point now, but it would be a lot higher if Saints were still servicing the previous debts (including the stadium mortgage).

 

I think the bottom line is that I see no way the club could've afforded buying the current team, and paying their wages, last year.

 

Of course we would have had the extra debt of the Stadium mortgage and the overdraft last season, but it is still debateable as to whether we could have managed, as the increased costs of having this team could well have been covered by the extra revenue generated by the attendance figures being comfortably above 17,000.

 

It's not something I'm over concerned about except as mild speculation, as I loathed and detested that regime more than most and I'm not losing any sleep wondering whether they could have kept us going with this manager and this team.

[lordswoodsaints]

How come you are allowed to say that and I am apparently not ??

 

Give it time alps,most people are still in their beds.

 

Anyway fook everyone else,if you believe in what you are writing then run with it.

[S-Clarke]

If you think pardew is likely to still be our manager in 2015 then you are mental.

 

even more mental (no offence robbie) that he believes that we'll still have him as a manager, if he succeeds in scraping survial this year.

 

come on robbie...!

[Red and White Army]

 

no wonder the number of active posters seem to be dropping on here yet these people will blame th alpines of this world

 

People don't post here because of him, I know I only check the forum a few times a month rather than daily because I can't take a dose of his twottish negativity every day.

 

Remove twots him like and the forum would become more popular, no doubt.

[alpine_saint]

People don't post here because of him, I know I only check the forum a few times a month rather than daily because I can't take a dose of his twottish negativity every day.

 

Remove twots him like and the forum would become more popular, no doubt.

 

Come on then, what I have I been negative about recently ?

[nodster]

perhaps it's time to get rid of the grim reaper picture!!!???

[The9]

Come on then, what I have I been negative about recently ?

 

You said "Pardew Out" twice in your previous post for a start.

 

[Thedelldays]

People don't post here because of him, I know I only check the forum a few times a month rather than daily because I can't take a dose of his twottish negativity every day.

 

Remove twots him like and the forum would become more popular, no doubt.

 

If you think alpine leaving would improve this place then j would say remove people like you who feel the need to post about other members

[alpine_saint]

perhaps it's time to get rid of the grim reaper picture!!!???

 

Its not the Grim Reaper. It's Rorschach from the film Watchmen, and the character tends to see things as absolutes, black or white, which I thought was an interesting analogy as to what I tend to feel about SFC.

[farawaysaint]

Its not the Grim Reaper. It's Rorschach from the film Watchmen, and the character tends to see things as absolutes, black or white, which I thought was an interesting analogy as to what I tend to feel about SFC.

 

He's also a sociopath but that probably wasn't what you were going for right?