Pardew Out. But when?

[View From The Top]

I agree that there is plenty to be positive about at the moment, but that will all evaporate if we do not get out of this league quickly. It was only a few days ago that the knives were already being sharpened and a target being drawn on Pardew's back. Running a football club and managing fans expectations is never easy, as the Wilde Bunch found to their cost very quickly.

 

I hope the current regime will be very successful but you can bet your last Rollo that if we are still in this division in a couple of seasons time they will get the same hammering that previous regimes have.

 

Lowe's gone. You backed the wrong horse.

 

Get over it, dry your eyes and move on and prehaps, just maybe, go to a game.

[Draino76]

I think he's saying it's boring. Change the record.

 

Good point.

[sadoldgit]

Lowe's gone. You backed the wrong horse.

 

Get over it, dry your eyes and move on and prehaps, just maybe, go to a game.

 

I didn't back any horse. If you ever bothered to read any of my posts you will see that I back SFC.

 

Oh and I see you fallen back on the old chestnut that if you don't go to many games then your opinion does not count.

 

And lastly, I am not crying.

 

Still it is nice to see that informed debate is alive and well on here.

[View From The Top]

I didn't back any horse. If you ever bothered to read any of my posts you will see that I back SFC.

 

Oh and I see you fallen back on the old chestnut that if you don't go to many games then your opinion does not count.

 

And lastly, I am not crying.

 

Still it is nice to see that informed debate is alive and well on here.

 

Something you've never been guilty of.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Lowe's gone. You backed the wrong horse.

 

Get over it, dry your eyes and move on and prehaps, just maybe, go to a game.

 

You're a patronizing ballbag. Get some manners bucko!!!

[Toadhall Saint]

I agree that there is plenty to be positive about at the moment, but that will all evaporate if we do not get out of this league quickly. It was only a few days ago that the knives were already being sharpened and a target being drawn on Pardew's back. Running a football club and managing fans expectations is never easy, as the Wilde Bunch found to their cost very quickly.

 

I hope the current regime will be very successful but you can bet your last Rollo that if we are still in this division in a couple of seasons time they will get the same hammering that previous regimes have.

 

SOG

 

So try then.

 

Only the lunatics on here that were sharpening knives. Do you believe we will be in this division in a couple of seasons time?

[solentstars]

I didn't back any horse. If you ever bothered to read any of my posts you will see that I back SFC.

 

Oh and I see you fallen back on the old chestnut that if you don't go to many games then your opinion does not count.

 

And lastly, I am not crying.

 

Still it is nice to see that informed debate is alive and well on here.

you have posted alot of sensible posts but your wasteing your time argueing with that plank.

[SFC Forever]

What Lowe has to do with a few old windup merchants asking when AP will be "got rid" I don't understand.

 

Last week we have people suggesting we are no better, or at most a little, than last season. Now we are on our way to Utopia.

 

Typical Saints we never do things by halves.

I am still happy to have a club. I am more content with the way our club is progressing.

I am hopeful that we could reach the play offs but do not expect us to. Even at this level it is still very nice to be able to take my kids to watch us actually win a game at home. Long may it last.

Next season and even after this January window I will be expecting us to win far more than we don't. Wembley would be nice at the end of the season be it cup or play offs but I won't be slashing my wrists if things take a little longer.

After all we have been falling for 5 years and have got used to it. Now we have to readjust our sights and target the good life once more. Just be prepared for it to take a little while.

ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY.

[alpine_saint]

Something you've never been guilty of.

 

hehehehehe

[miserableoldgit]

Calling for APs head at this stage was always just a knee-jerk reaction. Nearly everyone on here agreed that continuity was the key to success and this meant sticking with AP and giving him a real chance to make a difference. Alex Ferguson was awful for the first season or two at Manure. I`ll bet that they`re glad that they stuck with him.

[View From The Top]

You're a patronizing ballbag. Get some manners bucko!!!

 

Take your head for a s**t numbnuts.

 

If I want the opinion of a c**k I'll drop you a line.

[View From The Top]

you have posted alot of sensible posts but your wasteing your time argueing with that plank.

 

Oh look, another luvvie.

 

No surprise that the luvvies are the thickest tw**s posting on this site.

 

Solent makes Delldays look sharp.

[sadoldgit]

Take your head for a s**t numbnuts.

 

If I want the opinion of a c**k I'll drop you a line.

 

Are you Alpine in disguise? You have his lack of charm and delivery off to a tee.

[JustMike]

cant believe this is still running

[CB Fry]

It was only a few days ago that the knives were already being sharpened and a target being drawn on Pardew's back.

 

 

No it wasn't - this is just a fantasy in your head.

 

There never was (or is) some great Pardew out campaign.

 

Please stop pretending otherwise.

[Red and White Army]

Wearing very, very thin...

 

Just like you.

[sadoldgit]

SOG

 

So try then.

 

Only the lunatics on here that were sharpening knives. Do you believe we will be in this division in a couple of seasons time?

 

I'd like to think not but it won't be easy and it doesn't help that threads were started about Pardew's job prospects a short while ago while he is obviosuly still rebuilding.

 

I don't know what is is about some faction of Saints fans (many on this thread). They actually seem to revel in it when things are not going right. In management terms Pardew has only been here 5 minutes but some are already pulling him apart and seem to be waiting for him to fail so they can pull him apart some more.

 

Same thing happened with Steve Brue when he was at the top with Birmingham and George Burley when he took us into the top 6 (cue with that spend we should have gone up automatically - tell that to the Ipswich fans who have seen the great Roy Keane spend £8m only to be rooted to the bottom).

 

Nowdays if you don't have instant sucess you are instantly branded a failure. Even if you do have success and then things go wrong, the good stuff is forgotten immediately. There is no balance. Short-termism rules as do short memories. The knee jerk reactionaries on here get away with abusing people with a different viewpoint. Constructive criticism tends to be limited to get them out if they don't make me happy immediately.

 

The past is coloured all black and the people who worked for the club were total failures.

 

The saddest thing for me is that I believe tht most of the lurkers who come here to read are probably people who would take the middle, balance ground too, but are afraid to write as they don't fancy the abuse that the likes of Alpine and his Stormtroopers dish out if you dare say anthing postive about certain people who have worked for us in the past, or even now.

 

If Pardew had not one the last three matches this list would be in meltdown and you can bet in a relatively short time frame the new owners would be berated too for spending so little cash.

 

Yes, football is a results driven game, but what some of our fans forget is that is th same for every club and no one, but, no one is going to roll over and lets us tickle their tummys.

 

Every club has the same pressure from the fan's expectations and only a few each season will deliver. That has nothing to do with cash spend but everything to do with getting the best out of everyone involved in the club. If by slagging people off and being negative we could achieve that aim, SFC would be at the top of the Premiership by now!

[sadoldgit]

No it wasn't - this is just a fantasy in your head.

 

There never was (or is) some great Pardew out campaign.

 

Please stop pretending otherwise.

 

Perhaps you would like to scroll up to the top of this thread and read it mate.

[Thedelldays]

SOG

 

keane has even said if results do not improve soon he will be out of a job

[CB Fry]

Perhaps you would like to scroll up to the top of this thread and read it mate.

 

 

I have son. There was and there is no Pardew out campaign. You read what you want to read.

[sadoldgit]

SOG

 

keane has even said if results do not improve soon he will be out of a job

 

Indeed, but our manager spent £1m less and made the play offs. The view is that if you spend a lot of money success naturally follows. I don't think it is an absolute as we can see by Ipswich's plight and the fact that Chelsea are still not Eurpean champions.

[sadoldgit]

I have son. There was and there is no Pardew out campaign. You read what you want to read.

 

Hmmm Pardew Out. But when. I have also read plenty of other threads where his job security has been questioned but as you say, you read what you want to read.

 

ps that's nice, I have three daughters

[RedAndWhite91]

Pardew in. Forever.

[solentstars]

Oh look, another luvvie.

 

No surprise that the luvvies are the thickest tw**s posting on this site.

 

Solent makes Delldays look sharp.

oh dear you really lost the plot plank head,did you go to school,rupert went ages ago but you really miss your leader:cool:or former lover x

[SaintBobby]

It's seems to be a fact in modern football that every manager is within about six games of the sack. Perhaps not Ferguson or Wenger, but probably c. 90 of the rest.

 

My own view is that if it becomes obvious we're hurtling towards relegation with Pardew then we need to review things in January. Fortunately, this seems not to be the case.

 

If he fails to get us promoted next season though, that's probably curtains.

[sadoldgit]

Something you've never been guilty of.

 

There is a decent debate to be had about the Lowe years but whilst the schoolboys on here continue to debase everything with, "Oh look a Lowe Luvvie" it will never happen I'm afraid.

 

It is possible to have a balanced view about his tenure with being a "luvvie" but that point seems lost on you and your friends.

 

And you really need to go back and read this thread. If you don't think that posts saying get rid of him by Christmas if things haven't improved are not about getting Pardew out at some point, I fail to see what are.

[CB Fry]

Hmmm Pardew Out. But when. I have also read plenty of other threads where his job security has been questioned but as you say, you read what you want to read.

 

 

 

 

The usual utter tripe from one of the most one-eyed contributors to this site.

 

There was and is no Pardew out campaign, just self important ar se-wipes boring us all with the "McMenemy got us relegated, Alex Ferguson three years blah blah blah etc etc etc" routine the minute anyone says anything outside of "aren't Saints brilliant".

 

No one on this thread (indeed this board) wanted Pardew out, except maybe Glasgow Saint. Certainly not the original poster.

 

The bores like you with your bo ll ock achingly obvious "we need to stick with the manager" routine outnumbered the people who want Pardew out by about 75 to one.

 

No one needed a patronising king tedious like you telling us to "stick with the manager" eight,nine, ten games into a bloody season. Everyone was sticking with him and didn't need your bloody permission.

 

Shut. up. No one wants Pardew out, and no one did two weeks ago.

 

And you are not going to come on here with your self satisfied smug routine making out you were some lone voice in the wilderness.

 

No one wanted Pardew out.

Edited 11 October, 2009 by CB Fry

[alpine_saint]

 

The saddest thing for me is that I believe tht most of the lurkers who come here to read are probably people who would take the middle, balance ground too, but are afraid to write as they don't fancy the abuse that the likes of Alpine and his Stormtroopers dish out if you dare say anthing postive about certain people who have worked for us in the past, or even now.

 

 

Obsessed. Obsessed. Obsessed.

 

How about all those who dont post because they have been bored into a coma by your one-post-pony mentality ?

 

As CB Fry has sugggested, you are looking for a campaign/movement that doesnt exist in order to justify, apart from your existence, your pious self-important sermonising on the bleedin obvious..

[dune]

The usual utter tripe from one of the most one-eyed contributors to this site.

 

There was and is no Pardew out campaign, just self important ar se-wipes boring us all with the "McMenemy got us relegated, Alex Ferguson three years blah blah blah etc etc etc" routine the minute anyone says anything outside of "aren't Saints brilliant".

 

No one on this thread wanted Pardew out, except maybe Glasgow Saint. Certainly not the original poster.

 

The bores like you with your bo ll ock achingly obvious "we need to stick with the manager" routine outnumbered the people who want Pardew out by about 75 to one.

 

No one needed a patronising king tedious like you telling us to "stick with the manager" eight,nine, ten games into a bloody season. Everyone was sticking with him and didn't need your bloody permission.

 

Shut. up. No one wants Pardew out, and no one did two weeks ago.

 

Good post. My view was that if there was no improvement after 20 or so games Pardews position would have to be considered. I think many others were also thinking along similar medium term lines.

[benjii]

There is a decent debate to be had about the Lowe years but whilst the schoolboys on here continue to debase everything with, "Oh look a Lowe Luvvie" it will never happen I'm afraid.

 

It is possible to have a balanced view about his tenure with being a "luvvie" but that point seems lost on you and your friends.

 

And you really need to go back and read this thread. If you don't think that posts saying get rid of him by Christmas if things haven't improved are not about getting Pardew out at some point, I fail to see what are.

 

But those posts would be entirely reasonable. With the resources available, a failure to imporve by Christmas would represent an utterly lamentable performance. That's not a rabid knee-jerk AP out campaign at all.

 

In any case, we're doing fine and I think 99% of people are very happy with AP, so let's all just enjoy that!

[alpine_saint]

But those posts would be entirely reasonable. With the resources available, a failure to imporve by Christmas would represent an utterly lamentable performance. That's not a rabid knee-jerk AP out campaign at all.

 

In any case, we're doing fine and I think 99% of people are very happy with AP, so let's all just enjoy that!

 

Amen.

 

I consider the Bristol Rovers result to have been a complete disaster and deservedly raised questions, but players and management alike have responded superbly and we finally seem to be on the right course.

[JustMike]

yawn

[JustMike]

Amen.

 

I consider the Bristol Rovers result to have been a complete disaster and deservedly raised questions, but players and management alike have responded superbly and we finally seem to be on the right course.

 

i saw the rovers game as a bloody good game of football where we were denied any points by a cracking goal. I would have been worried or deemed it as a complete disaster had we played anything like last season but we didnt, change was obvious.

[alpine_saint]

i saw the rovers game as a bloody good game of football where we were denied any points by a cracking goal. I would have been worried or deemed it as a complete disaster had we played anything like last season but we didnt, change was obvious.

 

We took the lead - twice - and surrendered it each time. And conceeded a losing goal subsequently. And many posters on here questioned the substitutions.

 

You may have lost sight of the bigger picture in the rosy glow´of having been "entertained", and that's your perogative. But others didnt.

[Bearsy]

Amen.

 

I consider the Bristol Rovers result to have been a complete disaster and deservedly raised questions, but players and management alike have responded superbly and we finally seem to be on the right course.

 

Alpine Saint is a lot like Jesus in his use of hyperbole to teach lessons.

[itchen]

We took the lead - twice - and surrendered it each time. And conceeded a losing goal subsequently. And many posters on here questioned the substitutions.

 

You may have lost sight of the bigger picture in the rosy glow´of having been "entertained", and that's your perogative. But others didnt.

 

The difference, I think, is that he was actually at the game and therefore can form a more balanced view than somebody who is just looking at the result. Obviously, over a season, we want to win more games than we lose but even the best teams are going to lose sometimes - either to a superior team or, as in this case, to what appears to have been an excellent goal late on. The signs at the Bristol game were largely positive and I think most would have been happy with the draw it very nearly was. We've shown since we can regain a lead and come back from two down.

 

It's looking good. This may come as a shock to some (including me).

[Windmill Arm 2]

Mods, why is this damaging, morale sapping thread still open? Its irrelevant, and born out of hysteria by the usual muppets.

Should be locked IMO. Imagine if Pardew viewed this board (the thought makes me cringe)

[NickG]

We took the lead - twice - and surrendered it each time. And conceeded a losing goal subsequently. And many posters on here questioned the substitutions.

 

You may have lost sight of the bigger picture in the rosy glow´of having been "entertained", and that's your perogative. But others didnt.

 

often subs are questioned only for us later to become aware that player had minor injury -this was the case here.

[alpine_saint]

often subs are questioned only for us later to become aware that player had minor injury -this was the case here.

 

I dont think the necessity of the substitutions themselves were questioned.

[Red and White Army]

i saw the rovers game as a bloody good game of football where we were denied any points by a cracking goal. I would have been worried or deemed it as a complete disaster had we played anything like last season but we didnt, change was obvious.

 

The difference is you SAW the game, alpine DIDN'T see the game.

 

He offers his positions from a position of ignorance, 2nd hand at best.

[alpine_saint]

The difference is you SAW the game, alpine DIDN'T see the game.

 

He offers his positions from a position of ignorance, 2nd hand at best.

 

Wow, another attack. Quelle Surprise....

[Give it to Ron]

I dont think the necessity of the substitutions themselves were questioned.

 

But there were good resons for those substitutions and if you look at why they were made - mainly Mills - Harding was getting stuffed down that side so he bought on someone with pace and is primarily a full back to bolster that side.

 

Wotton was bought on to add additional height in front of the back four - he hasn't done bad since(apart from Torquay).

[alpine_saint]

But there were good resons for those substitutions and if you look at why they were made - mainly Mills - Harding was getting stuffed down that side so he bought on someone with pace and is primarily a full back to bolster that side.

 

Wotton was bought on to add additional height in front of the back four - he hasn't done bad since(apart from Torquay).

 

I havent argued the case of those substitutions myself either way. I just observed that some called them in to question.

[CB Fry]

Mods, why is this damaging, morale sapping thread still open? Its irrelevant, and born out of hysteria by the usual muppets.

Should be locked IMO. Imagine if Pardew viewed this board (the thought makes me cringe)

 

There's not enough of these in the world :rolleyes: to respond to garbage posts like the one above. Whose "morale" is being "sapped" by a few hairy bottomed blokes on an interenet forum? Give me strength. :rolleyes: If we all post "come on saints, we loves yous" will we defitely win 5-0 on Saturday? :rolleyes:

 

 

This, is the true spirit of this thread, beautifully summed up here:

 

But those posts would be entirely reasonable. With the resources available, a failure to imporve by Christmas would represent an utterly lamentable performance. That's not a rabid knee-jerk AP out campaign at all.

 

In any case, we're doing fine and I think 99% of people are very happy with AP, so let's all just enjoy that!

 

 

There never was an AP out campaign, not on this thread, not on this forum, not ever. One or two fans maybe (one or two fans didn't rate him on day one, and they're allowed to) but vastly vastly outnumbered by the twittering old women like SOG and Windmill Arm droning on about Alex Ferguson-Ted Bates-Lawrie-etc-etc-etc-etc and making out they are lone voices shouting against some baying mob.

 

Total delusional guff. There never was a "Pardew out" campaign.

[opthomps]

Mods, why is this damaging, morale sapping thread still open? Its irrelevant, and born out of hysteria by the usual muppets.

Should be locked IMO. Imagine if Pardew viewed this board (the thought makes me cringe)

 

Totally spot on

it is cringeworthy, but semi entertaining, all i can hear in the back of my mind is... fight fight fight. There are obviously different opinions, but the whole point of forums is to voice YOUR opinion. Hope you all calm down about this as its a fairly useless debate anyway. COYS

[Red and White Army]

Wow, another attack. Quelle Surprise....

 

Wow, more mindless worthless opinions from some idiot not at the game. Quelle Surprise....

 

I havent argued the case of those substitutions myself either way. I just observed that some called them in to question.

 

Oh do give it a rest, you idiot. We're not stupid, we can see through your silly little verbal tricks. If I post a thread entitled

 

"Alpine saint out?"

 

and raise the question

 

"How long can people put up with this guy commenting without any basis in fact of from any first hand knowledge?"

 

then it is pretty clear which camp I'm in, even though I'm not actually making the call one way or other. You should be ashamed of your pathetic schoolboy logic and grow a pair to state your real opinion instead of hiding behind "theoretical questions".

[trousers]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7547806.stm

[alpine_saint]

Wow, more mindless worthless opinions from some idiot not at the game. Quelle Surprise....

 

 

 

Oh do give it a rest, you idiot. We're not stupid, we can see through your silly little verbal tricks. If I post a thread entitled

 

"Alpine saint out?"

 

and raise the question

 

"How long can people put up with this guy commenting without any basis in fact of from any first hand knowledge?"

 

then it is pretty clear which camp I'm in, even though I'm not actually making the call one way or other. You should be ashamed of your pathetic schoolboy logic and grow a pair to state your real opinion instead of hiding behind "theoretical questions".

 

I didnt start the thread, did I ?

 

And in the thread where I asked about NC putting up with the situation, I made it perfectly clear that it could refer to the playing side as much as the managerial side.

 

But please continue. Visualising you foaming at the mouth gives me a good laugh.

[benjii]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7547806.stm

 

Aggghhhh!!!!

 

It's too painful.

 

I lasted three seconds until the chap said "Rupert Lowe" and then I had to turn it off. Why did you do that!? :mad:

[Gorgiesaint]

Totally spot on

it is cringeworthy, but semi entertaining, all i can hear in the back of my mind is... fight fight fight. There are obviously different opinions, but the whole point of forums is to voice YOUR opinion. Hope you all calm down about this as its a fairly useless debate anyway. COYS

 

I think when the thread was started there was a valid debate to be had.

 

That said titling it 'Pardew Out. But When?' was a sensationalist way of titling something that the Sun would have been proud of. Only the original poster knows whether they intended to start this as a true Pardew out campaign so unless they answer we'll neve know.

 

Re-wording the original question raised however (given that it was raised before our last 2 league wins) to 'At what point does Cortese have to make a decision about Pardew given the teams league position? is a valid debate to be had.

 

IMO it will be irrelevant for this season as I think we'll finish mid-table to top half (probably just miss out on the play-offs) and will be in contention for promotion next season. A decision will then need to be made based on what happens and where we finish next season.