Thedelldays Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 OK DD, couple of points here... (a) IF is just that... (b) If we ARE in the bottom 4 after Xmas, can you guarantee that we could not still be safe by the end of the season? If you cannot be certain, then what the hell is the point in bringing up Pardew's potential sacking now? AP has got until the end of NEXT SEASON to get us back into the CCC and that my friend is a long time off yet. Just take a deep breath and enjoy the building process...believe it will happen unless there is no hope left. i think you are right...but I can also see why some are nervous...you said earlier about wanting to use a crystal ball.....well, how can you be so sure omn current form why we will be safe... like i said, I think we will but can see clearly why others are not so sure.. failure to beat gillingham will add a few more to that list..
St. Jason Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 if we are still in the bottom 4 after xmas and still showing crap form. then maybe we have charltons pardew and not that of previous clubs.. Again, out of interest who would you replace Pardew with??? And again, after the close season we've had, having to rebuild a complete club from the boardroom, to the players, to the coaches, to the scouts I am staggered that after only 10 games some are calling for his head!!!!!!!!!!! Just like to point out that Lawrie took us down only to then become our most successful manager!!!!
Thedelldays Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) Again, out of interest who would you replace Pardew with??? And again, after the close season we've had, having to rebuild a complete club from the boardroom, to the players, to the coaches, to the scouts I am staggered that after only 10 games some are calling for his head!!!!!!!!!!! Just like to point out that Lawrie took us down only to then become our most successful manager!!!! for lawrie taking us down...wotte also took us down would he have gone on to achieve like lawrie...that is just cherry picking examples and has no relevance.. you are asking me who I would replace pardew with...for one, I dont want him gone so the wrong person to ask....BUT, should the job come available, then very capable managers would be interested...no doubt Edited 2 October, 2009 by Thedelldays
St. Jason Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) for lawrie taking us down...wotte also took us down would he have gone on to achieve like lawrie...that is just cherry picking examples and has no relevance.. you are asking me who I would replace pardew with...for one, I dont want him gone so the wrong person to ask....BUT, should the job come available, then very capable managers would be interested...no doubt Would a manager really be attracted to a club when said club's fans only give you 10 games then call for your head DD? I have no cast iron proof that Pardew will succeed. I don't know for sure that his signings will gel, I don't know if the results will turn or wither Pardew will deliver the promotions he's been employed to deliver. The one thing I do know is, I'm prepared to give him a lot more time than 10 games! Edited 2 October, 2009 by St. Jason
Saint Fan CaM Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 i think you are right...but I can also see why some are nervous...you said earlier about wanting to use a crystal ball.....well, how can you be so sure omn current form why we will be safe... like i said, I think we will but can see clearly why others are not so sure.. failure to beat gillingham will add a few more to that list.. Yes, I agree it will be a huge disappointment and shock if we don't beat Gillingham. But it will not mean relegation and at this point in time that is ALL we have to worry about IMO.
Thedelldays Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 (edited) Would a manager really be attracted to a club when said club's fans DD, I have no cast iron proof that Pardew will succeed. I don't know for sure that his signings will gel, I don't know if the results will turn or wither Pardew will deliver the promotions he's been employed to deliver. The one thing I do know is, I'm prepared to give him a lot more time than 10 games! as am I...but I do not lend myself to blind faith for stability sake...if we fail to win tomorrow and start to show some form in the next 5-8 games then I will be very concerned and will start to doubt if we are on the right track......but not there yet and hope not to be.. imo, if we are still strggling around jan then pardew will have some serious questions to ask himself and will need to work to save his job... people say that people like markus dont become successful by making rash decisions....well, people like that dont become successful by keeping people around them who do not deliver.. im sure pardew will get it right....just play with width and hopefully that will open up more space for lambert and co... I have always maintained that NOT going up next season by any means will be an utter failure and the end for pardew at SFC...but I hope that does not happen.. Edited 2 October, 2009 by Thedelldays
St. Jason Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 as am I...but I do not lend myself to blind faith for stability sake...if we fail to win tomorrow and start to show some form in the next 5-8 games then I will be very concerned and will start to doubt if we are on the right track......but not there yet and hope not to be.. imo, if we are still strggling around jan then pardew will have some serious questions to ask himself and will need to work to save his job... people say that people like markus dont become successful by making rash decisions....well, people like that dont become successful by keeping people around them who do not deliver.. im sure pardew will get it right....just play with width and hopefully that will open up more space for lambert and co... I have always maintained that NOT going up next season by any means will be an utter failure and the end for pardew at SFC...but I hope that does not happen.. I'm in agreement DD, no promotion next year will, imo, be a failure on Pardew's part. I'm the same as you and agree questions will be asked if come Jan we're still in the bottom 4, but I'd stick with him, show him support and faith for a promotion push next year. We all agreed at the beginning of the season that with -10 avoiding relegation was the first target.
wooley11 Posted 2 October, 2009 Posted 2 October, 2009 I said when we appointed Pardew that I wasn't to excited. The reason being he had got used to managing a side in the prem or championship, this league is somewhat different! We have bought players to compete in this league but the mentality of the manager is not right. As someone said earlier this is not the league to go one nil up and hang on we need to be pushing on when we get ahead and Pardew is playing it like being in one of the higher leagues. It is not time to sack him but time to back him and hope that he can learn the way to be successful in this league which I am sure he will. We have compaigned for long enough to get rid of a chairman who sacks mangers at the drop of a hat so now is the time to stick with and I am sure Pardew, if he has the players on board, can get us a safe mid table position ready for a promotion coast next season. I am disappointed with the start we have made but feel sure we will be ok, things are a hell of a lot better than they where 3 months ago! Sack him at christmas if things are as they are now.
lordswoodsaints Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Would a manager really be attracted to a club when said club's fans only give you 10 games then call for your head DD? I have no cast iron proof that Pardew will succeed. I don't know for sure that his signings will gel, I don't know if the results will turn or wither Pardew will deliver the promotions he's been employed to deliver. The one thing I do know is, I'm prepared to give him a lot more time than 10 games! Just out of interest St.J are you still prepared to back pardew even if we are relegated? Would you still want him for next season? I am more or less in agreement with TDD,I'm not a fan of pardew but I want him to succeed,I would be highly delighted if we end up escaping relegation this season but next season he needs to deliver. What I'm not prepared to do is standby and blindly accept another relegation this season.as you say I havnt got a crystal ball but some people think that having a long term plan is just that.I don't subscribe to the long term plan thing,it is just not possible in a sport that is so unpredictable to have a plan that is designed to get you into the prem within 5 years,there are too many factors working against you,and it just adds to the pressure of an already highly pressurized situation. At the end of the day a football club lives or dies on it's results and if pardew cannot deliver results that will keep us from relegation then he deserves to lose his job,I hope that doesn't happen as it means my team are once again in trouble and turmoil but there won't be a shortage of quality managers queuing to take his place.........that's football in this country for 99% of the teams and we are no different.
ottery st mary Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 All APs hard work comes to fruition today with a 4-0 win and thereafter the next few games, a very rapid rise up the league table.......Sort of saying this is a MUST win game today......Such a good Coach and Manager like Pardew will always shine through and today the Sun is out at St Marys big time. COYRs........PLEASE for FLUUUUUCK sake...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Just out of interest St.J are you still prepared to back pardew even if we are relegated? Would you still want him for next season? I am more or less in agreement with TDD,I'm not a fan of pardew but I want him to succeed,I would be highly delighted if we end up escaping relegation this season but next season he needs to deliver. What I'm not prepared to do is standby and blindly accept another relegation this season.as you say I havnt got a crystal ball but some people think that having a long term plan is just that.I don't subscribe to the long term plan thing,it is just not possible in a sport that is so unpredictable to have a plan that is designed to get you into the prem within 5 years,there are too many factors working against you,and it just adds to the pressure of an already highly pressurized situation. At the end of the day a football club lives or dies on it's results and if pardew cannot deliver results that will keep us from relegation then he deserves to lose his job,I hope that doesn't happen as it means my team are once again in trouble and turmoil but there won't be a shortage of quality managers queuing to take his place.........that's football in this country for 99% of the teams and we are no different. That's pretty much as I see it too . I expect many will disagree with you - I don't know why because it's all fair comment and a pragmatic take on the realities of the modern game .
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 That's pretty much as I see it too . I expect many will disagree with you - I don't know why because it's all fair comment and a pragmatic take on the realities of the modern game . As you say if we are in danger of relegation a change of manager maybe required but at the moment we have not reached that stage as we have hardly played any of the bottom eight clubs where winning should be easier. My main concern is that we maybe stuck with Pardew even though by the end of the season we are not playing well enough to mount a push for promotion. I still think we rushed into appointing a manager because it takes time to work out how to progress to the future of course I will be proved wrong if we manage to finish in the top ten
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Would a manager really be attracted to a club when said club's fans only give you 10 games then call for your head DD? I have no cast iron proof that Pardew will succeed. I don't know for sure that his signings will gel, I don't know if the results will turn or wither Pardew will deliver the promotions he's been employed to deliver. The one thing I do know is, I'm prepared to give him a lot more time than 10 games! Indeed. Still, Pearson was elevated to hero status by winning 3 games in 13 so if Pardew wins his next 2 games he should get the same plaudits shouldn't he?
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 As you say if we are in danger of relegation a change of manager maybe required but at the moment we have not reached that stage as we have hardly played any of the bottom eight clubs where winning should be easier...... The trouble with playing and beating other struggling clubs is that with regarding to our place at the foot of the table these games become a 'must win' for our desperate opposition as well - sometimes you're better off playing mid table teams . Just to reiterate , I'm not calling for Pardew to go at this time (very few are) but lets be absolutely clear on this , we have to avoid relegation this season as a minimal requirement . Who knows we could win 3 of the next 4 and everyone will be happy , that just doesn't look very likely at the moment though .
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 (edited) Anyone who is seriously talking about replacing Pards is frankly stupid. We need consistency. We need a manager for 6 years. We have one of the best in the business who is rebuilding a team of losers from scratch. Some people need to seriously take a reality tablet and get behind their team. We're on the way back, but it'll take some time. Our role is to provide some SUPPORT. I think we should make a list of those who are calling for AP to leave and then enjoy laughing at them in 2 years time. Edited 3 October, 2009 by SaintRobbie
Stoozer Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 I've come to the conclusion that I dislike a lot of Saints fans. Talk of sacking Pardew already? Really? FFS! Sums up one of things that is wrong with football these days.
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Anyone who is seriously talking about replacing Pards is frankly stupid. We need consistency. We need a manager for 6 years. We have one of the best in the business who is rebuilding a team of losers from scratch. Some people need to seriously take a reality tablet and get behind their team. We're on the way back, but it'll take some time. Our role is to provide some SUPPORT. I think we should make a list of those who are calling for AP to leave and then enjoy laughing at them in 2 years time. All we need is a successful manager Pardew will go if he is not he will go but not this season I would have thought as we will win loads of games against the lower clubs. I dont think many are calling for him to go unlike you contantly calling for new managers
RobM Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 I've come to the conclusion that I dislike a lot of Saints fans. Talk of sacking Pardew already? Really? FFS! Sums up one of things that is wrong with football these days. Absolutely. Bunch of hypocrites. Crying about Lowe sacking managers too frequently then calling for AP's head after 10 games.
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 All we need is a successful manager Pardew will go if he is not he will go but not this season I would have thought as we will win loads of games against the lower clubs. I dont think many are calling for him to go unlike you contantly calling for new managers Me calling for managers? Methinks you are well off there. I called for the removal of the incompetent Lowe Totally useless Dutchies but never have I called for the removal of any other manager. Consistency is critical. Consistency with competence. Wotte/JP/Lowe = clear incompetence. We need a manager for 6 years at least. It is a fundamental principle in football. Those who keep managers over time tend to be more successful.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Consistency is critical. Consistency with competence. Wotte/JP/Lowe = clear incompetence. We need a manager for 6 years at least. It is a fundamental principle in football. Those who keep managers over time tend to be more successful. no we dont very VERY few (if at all) stay in their jobs in the football league longer than 2 season... very few...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 no we dont very VERY few (if at all) stay in their jobs in the football league longer than 2 season... very few... and those that do? Are successful. Will on AP to success. Unless he fails continually like Wotte then I can see the obvious benefits of consistent management... like any sensible football fan.
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Me calling for managers? Methinks you are well off there. I called for the removal of the incompetent Lowe Totally useless Dutchies but never have I called for the removal of any other manager. Consistency is critical. Consistency with competence. Wotte/JP/Lowe = clear incompetence. We need a manager for 6 years at least. It is a fundamental principle in football. Those who keep managers over time tend to be more successful. I think it maybe because managers are successful they obviously stay for longer it does not mean if they stay for longer they get more successful. If they dont they leave so if Pardew is successful he will stay.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 and those that do? Are successful. Will on AP to success. Unless he fails continually like Wotte then I can see the obvious benefits of consistent management... like any sensible football fan. of course..but they are very very few and usually have large sums of money at their disposal... 99% of the rest last about 2 seasons.. if pardew is not successful..IE no promotion to the CCC by the end of next season...then I would call that a failure and he will probably go
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 of course..but they are very very few and usually have large sums of money at their disposal... 99% of the rest last about 2 seasons.. if pardew is not successful..IE no promotion to the CCC by the end of next season...then I would call that a failure and he will probably go I think AP will walk himself. But then, if he just misses promotion next season I would still call for him to stay. Mid-table and below in 2 years time is unlikely to be progress. But, if he continually moves us up the table he stays.
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 I think it maybe because managers are successful they obviously stay for longer it does not mean if they stay for longer they get more successful. If they dont they leave so if Pardew is successful he will stay. Sort of what I am saying. Will him on to success, support him and we may just have a manager who'll do the business. Personally, I have no doubts in his ability - he is simply the best manager in Leaguer 1 IMHO, and possibly the CCC and bottom half of the Premiership.
Gorgiesaint Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 All APs hard work comes to fruition today with a 4-0 win and thereafter the next few games, a very rapid rise up the league table.......Sort of saying this is a MUST win game today......Such a good Coach and Manager like Pardew will always shine through and today the Sun is out at St Marys big time. COYRs........PLEASE for FLUUUUUCK sake... Oh very close with the prediction Ottery!!
SaintRobbie Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 We need gradual rebuilding over time once AP has wiped out the team of losers Lowe left behind. Gradual success year on year will prevent the yo-yoing of the WBAs et al and keep us in the Premiership for 27 years or so again in time.
sadoldgit Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Absolutely. Bunch of hypocrites. Crying about Lowe sacking managers too frequently then calling for AP's head after 10 games. Especially as we have only been beaten once since the beginning of September and that with an injury time goal. If Pardew wins his next game that is 3 in 13, same as Pearson who is a hero to many on here!!!
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Everyone who said, at any point this season, that we should get rid of Pardew, is a moron For Delldays, this counts treble.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Everyone who said, at any point this season, that we should get rid of Pardew, is a moron For Delldays, this counts treble. where have I said that you multiple usernamed mong
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 where have I said that you multiple usernamed mong i just meant generally you moron
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 i just meant generally you moron hopefully that was your last post of the day.....well as atticus anyway
John B Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 i just meant generally you moron Delldays has consistently said that our squad is one of the best if not best in the League and should have performed better. I agree with him and hope that we will start to play well and win regularly. Pardew at the forum said he was not sure when the team would start winning but now it has and things are looking a lot better
St. Jason Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Indeed. Still, Pearson was elevated to hero status by winning 3 games in 13 so if Pardew wins his next 2 games he should get the same plaudits shouldn't he? Oooooooooooooh feck off you broken old record. Pearson had one job and only one job to do when he took over, keep us up, and guess what, HE KEPT US UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When will you ever change your tune?? Pearson came in and done his job, Lowe let him go and replaced him with Wotte and Jan, none of them did their job resulting in relegation, administration and -10!!!!!!!!! I do not get people like you, you'll defend everything that went wrong with our club, yet give no time to whats obviously an improvement!!!!!! Ps. 4-1 come on saints, come on Pardew
dune Posted 3 October, 2009 Posted 3 October, 2009 Can't we stop the squabling. We've had a great win and hats off to the players and Alan for delivering. Hopefully today is a sign of things to come.
SaintRobbie Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 Can't we stop the squabling. We've had a great win and hats off to the players and Alan for delivering. Hopefully today is a sign of things to come. Agreed.
PhilB Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 Give the bloke a chance FFS changing manager yet again won't solve anything.
ottery st mary Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 Oh very close with the prediction Ottery!! I am disputing The Gills goal for the sake of my prediction league position.:smt070...I have put an appeal in. To be fair I put Saints down to win every game...Haven't the heart to bet against them......Win every game to the end of the season now boyzzz. Well done Alan Pardew, Coaching team and the players...Not forgetting Ethel the tea lady. Bring back Woggy.:cool: COYRs.
St. Jason Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 I am disputing The Gills goal for the sake of my prediction league position.:smt070...I have put an appeal in. To be fair I put Saints down to win every game...Haven't the heart to bet against them......Win every game to the end of the season now boyzzz. Well done Alan Pardew, Coaching team and the players...Not forgetting Ethel the tea lady. Bring back Woggy.:cool: COYRs. You joke about Ethel but her contribution is massive, Rickie is extremely particular, he likes the kettle boiled but not fully boiled, he like a tea bag in his mug and not in a pot, he like 2.7 spoons of sugar and it must be stirred to the left with only 4.8 rotations!!!
ottery st mary Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 You joke about Ethel but her contribution is massive, Rickie is extremely particular, he likes the kettle boiled but not fully boiled, he like a tea bag in his mug and not in a pot, he like 2.7 spoons of sugar and it must be stirred to the left with only 4.8 rotations!!! :cool: Jason.....You and me are the only supporters who understand that it is a team effort right through from top to bottom....I knew if we gave Rickie the right sort of support from the wings he would play with a smile on his face. COYRs.......Put the away supporters on the common:smt070 with a blooooody big screen and after a few more wins we Saints will fill the stadium.
St. Jason Posted 4 October, 2009 Posted 4 October, 2009 :cool: Jason.....You and me are the only supporters who understand that it is a team effort right through from top to bottom....I knew if we gave Rickie the right sort of support from the wings he would play with a smile on his face. COYRs.......Put the away supporters on the common:smt070 with a blooooody big screen and after a few more wins we Saints will fill the stadium. As Jamie Oliver would say 'I'm with you brother'! Why he calls everyone 'brother' is beyond me, but there you go, brother!
St. Jason Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 (edited) Just have faith............after going to last nights game we left the ground commenting that this team can only get stronger. Not entirely sure but it looked like we played 4-5-1 with Llanna in the whole, no room for Saga, Connolly, Holmes or Mills, think we'll play 4-4-2 at home with Connolly playing of Lambert. Can really see light at the end of the tunnel, finally. Like I've said time and again to the doubters, wait, give Pardew time and he will deliver! Don't get me wrong I know one swallow doesn't make a summer, but on the flip side one wobble doesn't make an jelly. The future is bright, the future is red & white :-) Edited 10 October, 2009 by St. Jason
sadoldgit Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 Wearing very, very thin... Still wearing very thin Alpine????
sadoldgit Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 Oooooooooooooh feck off you broken old record. Pearson had one job and only one job to do when he took over, keep us up, and guess what, HE KEPT US UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When will you ever change your tune?? Pearson came in and done his job, Lowe let him go and replaced him with Wotte and Jan, none of them did their job resulting in relegation, administration and -10!!!!!!!!! I do not get people like you, you'll defend everything that went wrong with our club, yet give no time to whats obviously an improvement!!!!!! Ps. 4-1 come on saints, come on Pardew Yep with 20 minutes to spare. Yay. I am not defending what went wrong with the club. I query the mentality of those who slag off a manager who managed to get 1.54 point a game - a win every other game - but who raise to hero status someone who only managed to win 3 games out of 13. The same people who seem happier for us to be in the third tier of football than when we were making the play offs. Surely the club was in a better position that season? But you wouldn't think so judging by many of the comments on here.
St. Jason Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 Yep with 20 minutes to spare. Yay. I am not defending what went wrong with the club. I query the mentality of those who slag off a manager who managed to get 1.54 point a game - a win every other game - but who raise to hero status someone who only managed to win 3 games out of 13. The same people who seem happier for us to be in the third tier of football than when we were making the play offs. Surely the club was in a better position that season? But you wouldn't think so judging by many of the comments on here. We spoke about this last night on the drive home and............we all agreed that we are in a better positions now than we've been for a long time. That might sound a strange thing to say but now we're here we are solid, no more Lowe, SCW, no Crouch (thought he did well for us when in need) we have a good manager, a good progressive team, no debt a solid owner and chairman. They are going to make mistakes (no matchday tickets in the Itchen) but hopefully they will listen to their customers and learn and we can all move forward together, united!! The Future is Red & White!!!
sadoldgit Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 We spoke about this last night on the drive home and............we all agreed that we are in a better positions now than we've been for a long time. That might sound a strange thing to say but now we're here we are solid, no more Lowe, SCW, no Crouch (thought he did well for us when in need) we have a good manager, a good progressive team, no debt a solid owner and chairman. They are going to make mistakes (no matchday tickets in the Itchen) but hopefully they will listen to their customers and learn and we can all move forward together, united!! The Future is Red & White!!! I agree that there is plenty to be positive about at the moment, but that will all evaporate if we do not get out of this league quickly. It was only a few days ago that the knives were already being sharpened and a target being drawn on Pardew's back. Running a football club and managing fans expectations is never easy, as the Wilde Bunch found to their cost very quickly. I hope the current regime will be very successful but you can bet your last Rollo that if we are still in this division in a couple of seasons time they will get the same hammering that previous regimes have.
tonibell Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..
sadoldgit Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record..Boring. Change the record.. And your point is?
Bearsy Posted 10 October, 2009 Posted 10 October, 2009 I think he's saying it's boring. Change the record.
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