Pardew Out. But when?

[Thedelldays]

dont agree with your last statement.

 

Sub 1 - Mills on for Melis - Melis shouldnt have been anywhere near the starting XI

 

Sub 2 - Saga on for Papa - Papa was clearly knackered so we bring a striker o, one in which most where calling for.

 

Sub 3 - Wotton for Morgan - Same reason as Papa went off. Morgan had worked his socks off and Wotton was the only centre midfielder there and for all his issues, does add grit.

 

So no, nothing wrong with any of them imo

So... What are you saying? We got better with every sub made ?

 

As we clearly did not

[Glasgow_Saint]

we had no pre season ffs

[John B]

So... What are you saying? We got better with every sub made ?

 

As we clearly did not

 

I dont disagree with your comment about the subs not making any difference.

 

But perhaps Mellis should not have started Waigo may have been knackered

 

and there was no other choice for CM than Wotton

[CamberwellSaint]

Anyone who thinks that Pardew should be sacked has got a very short memory.

 

Anyone remember the shot-away state of the squad and the shoddy training and the rock-bottom morale and the totally-inadequate quality of the players?

 

Anyone on here got any idea about the time it takes to develop teams?

 

The fact that Cortese and the rest of the senior people have kept their mouths shut and let Pardew get on with it, shows...

 

... they've got half an idea of how to run a football club!

[saint michael]

I am afraid boys this change is going to take some time and balls to get us through this.

 

I still think we haven't enough good players with winning mentality and steel who lift the side when things are not going so well. I didn't particularly like or want Pardew, and jury is still out on whether he is the right man, but changing now will not make things any better. This will take time and a lot more investment before we get to where we would all like to be.

 

On a positive note I thought there were times last night where for the first time for years it looked like we had a team

[Glasgow_Saint]

Anyone who thinks that Pardew should be sacked has got a very short memory.

 

Anyone remember the shot-away state of the squad and the shoddy training and the rock-bottom morale and the totally-inadequate quality of the players?

 

Anyone on here got any idea about the time it takes to develop teams?

 

The fact that Cortese and the rest of the senior people have kept their mouths shut and let Pardew get on with it, shows...

 

... they've got half an idea of how to run a football club!

 

whats changed? managers need to be judged by the results - results so far suggest AP aint up for the job! simples

[Fowllyd]

Anyone who thinks that Pardew should be sacked has got a very short memory.

 

Anyone remember the shot-away state of the squad and the shoddy training and the rock-bottom morale and the totally-inadequate quality of the players?

 

Anyone on here got any idea about the time it takes to develop teams?

 

The fact that Cortese and the rest of the senior people have kept their mouths shut and let Pardew get on with it, shows...

 

... they've got half an idea of how to run a football club!

 

Indeed. I'd been thinking about a 3-2 home defeat I saw six months or so back. On that occasion we were playing Charlton, the only team below us in the CCC, and we still had a decent chance of avoiding relegation (or at least of getting relegated by the 10-point penalty rather than by our own hand). But in that match we pretty much rolled over and let them have the points. It was a dreadful, gutless performance at a time when we had plenty to play for.

 

Last night we played really well for much of the game and, had we taken one of the chances we had at 2-1, we would most likely have won. We lost our shape badly in the last 20 minutes, which suggests to me that there are still fitness issues within the squad. But there was a spirit about the team which was totally lacking in that Charlton game, and for most if not all of last season.

 

As Camberwell says, building a team takes time; yes, there are signs of improvement, but at present we're still a work in progress.

[lordswoodsaints]

If you were the owner of an expensive boat and the captain kept hitting rocks,scratching the nice paintwork on the dockside and narrowly missing small boats you would take the wheel off of him before he hit the big iceberg and sunk the bloody thing wouldn't you?

You wouldn't sit by and say 'perhaps he might improve,I've given him the job for 5 years and regardless of the damage caused and the threat of sinking the boat I'm gonna stand by him'

[alpine_saint]

If you were the owner of an expensive boat and the captain kept hitting rocks,scratching the nice paintwork on the dockside and narrowly missing small boats you would take the wheel off of him before he hit the big iceberg and sunk the bloody thing wouldn't you?

You wouldn't sit by and say 'perhaps he might improve,I've given him the job for 5 years and regardless of the damage caused and the threat of sinking the boat I'm gonna stand by him'

 

This point seems to be missed by all-and-sundry on here...

[Redondo Saint]

If you were the owner of an expensive boat and the captain kept hitting rocks,scratching the nice paintwork on the dockside and narrowly missing small boats you would take the wheel off of him before he hit the big iceberg and sunk the bloody thing wouldn't you?

You wouldn't sit by and say 'perhaps he might improve,I've given him the job for 5 years and regardless of the damage caused and the threat of sinking the boat I'm gonna stand by him'

 

 

Surely you don't suggest we should get rid of him at this stage?

 

Let's wait until December to measure his progress and hold our nerve.

 

We don't have many 'captains' around that can steer the ship any better....

[a1ex2001]

I'd sack him this morning, the form of the team is shocking, we are in a relegation fight already and people don't seem to be registering it. There are enough people at the club with managerial experience at this level to have a good go while we search for thr right man. Lets face it they would be hard pushed to get worse results out of League 1's most expensively assembled side. Maybe they'd even realise that Holmes is better than mellis and mills and Gillett is better than Wotton?

[teamsaint]

Every team we have played has given us one big lesson- and that lesson is that you have to BUILD teams, and it takes time. We as fans, and the club, have to be patient.There is 5 years of shambles to sort out, and bringing in a few decent players is just a start.

 

The team HAS come a long way since the Milwall game .but there is work to do and we need to trust AP to get it right.

[rallyboy]

Mr Pardew ain't at the wheel of a Sunseeker, this is a seriously damaged canoe that has patches keeping the water out.

I want results like all and I think he could do better, BUT let's not propose a repeat of the revolving door policy mistakes of the past.

[Doctoroncall]

I'm not fully aware of what the state of club was like after years of degradation and ultimately administration, but I could imagine the infrastructure and footballing personnel had to be built up quickly with the start of the season fast approaching. All this change isn't going to stabilise overnight or indeed a few months.

 

I had and still have my doubts about Pardew (his traits as an effective manager) and he wouldn't have been my first choice but I will not be calling for him to be sacked, Cortese will be able to make the right call given all the evidence of whether the club and team have progressed in the season. There's no point adding to the pressure by calling for his name, so better to support him and the team.

 

 

I'm still waiting to see the "Tenacity, Spirit and Flair" in the team Pardew is known for and I do hope we see it soon.

[John B]

This point seems to be missed by all-and-sundry on here...

 

Not by me but by most of the happy clappy in Pardew we trust Brigade as you suggest

 

 

However we are no further away from safety than when we started and have not played many of the other crap teams in the division so there is no point in changing anything at the moment.

Edited 30 September, 2009 by John B

[ALWAYS_SFC]

FFS!!

 

If he is sacked then.....

 

Who do you all feel should be his replacement then and how many games

should the "new" man be given?

 

 

 

John B, don`t bother answering as we know you thought Wotte

should still be here...lol

[Wade Garrett]

Not by me but by most of the happy clappy in Pardew we trust Brigade as you suggest

 

 

However we are no further away from safety than when we started and have not played many of the other crap teams in the division so there is no point in changing anything at the moment.

 

Depressing isn't it. I'll bet the 'other crap teams' haven't spent the money we have, or play in front of 19000 every home game.

[Cabrone]

Whilst I sympathise with the continuity view Pardew has to be judged on results and 1 win in 10 is simply unacceptable.

 

If this continues we are looking at around 4-5 wins across the whole season. That is relegation form even without the 10 point deduction. Relegation would be a total disaster considering the money spent.

 

I think he'll be given till Xmas and if form hasn't picked up he'll be offloaded.

 

I also think that he's been round the block enough times to know and understand this.

[lordswoodsaints]

Surely you don't suggest we should get rid of him at this stage?

 

Let's wait until December to measure his progress and hold our nerve.

 

We don't have many 'captains' around that can steer the ship any better....

 

I suggest that some action be taken to avoid a sinking,it is common knowledge that pardew wasn't their 1st choice,possibly not even their 2nd choice so perhaps letting pardew go won't be as hard a decision as some people are suggesting.

I don't know what the answers are to our problems but how much damage do you let a manager inflict before it's too late?

Do you let it see out it's course regardless of the outcome? Do you hold your nerve until Christmas? Do you make the change now and give yourself a fighting chance?

 

One of the above decisions will be made,but which one is the right one?

[Redondo Saint]

wait until Christmas.

As ****ed off as I was, Rovers are one of the better teams in this div and we need to try and hold our nerves.

[John B]

FFS!!

 

If he is sacked then.....

 

Who do you all feel should be his replacement then and how many games

should the "new" man be given?

 

 

 

John B, don`t bother answering as we know you thought Wotte

should still be here...lol

 

I did not suggest that Wotte would be the long term answer but possibly the short term one

 

I suggested that time should have been taken to find a DOF who would have been responsible for football matters and producing a realistic plan of how the club was going to move forward.

 

 

Wotte could have run the team and when or if results were not good could have easily been replaced with someone by the DOF

 

Now we do not seem to have any options and will have to stick with Pardew who may turn out OK but will be probably feeling the pressure.

 

 

However the board may only want to survive this season and go forward next season we dont really know what their current aims are

[John B]

Depressing isn't it. I'll bet the 'other crap teams' haven't spent the money we have, or play in front of 19000 every home game.

 

Well I suppose so but I cannot believe we will go down

 

 

Perhaps if we had played Gillingham last night and Rovers on Saturday things would look a little different

[aqbadger]

If you'd asked me at 10pm last night I would have said OUT NOW. I've calmed down a bit now, but I have a funny feeling if we were to lose on Saturday he would be gone

[Wildgoose]

Well I suppose so but I cannot believe we will go down

 

 

Perhaps if we had played Gillingham last night and Rovers on Saturday things would look a little different

 

Agree with your last point, but the fixtures have not given us an easy start. I think last night will turn out to be the defining point of our season.

 

How we respond on Saturday could well set the tone for where we are heading now......

a good win and things will be moving, a defeat or a draw and I think we will find the ship harder to turn somehow.......

[badgerx16]

How many times in the last 5 years have we switched managers and things have improved ?

 

I don't get to see many games each season, and rely to a great extent on radio commentary when I can find it, or for home games, reading reviews and comments from those who attend. Based on last night's game it would seem that whilst we had good spells of domination, and passed the ball around well for a while, there are a few things that seem to come through from the post-match discussion, and from previous games;

 

Substitutions,- any time you think about bringing Wotton on, you know there will be trouble

 

Tactics,- we still seem to play players out of position, or they switch positions without rhyme or reason

 

Fitness / Pace,- we still seem to lack both, whilst the opposition have it in spades

 

Corners,- why don't we simply ask the ref to give the ball to the oppo's keeper when the ball goes behind, we can't do anything useful with it.

 

To my mind all of these things are down to the manager, he picks the team, he supervises the training, he 'motivates' the players, and he controls the flow of the game. This squad is now, pretty much one of AP's making, so no excuses about being left the dross from last year. But despite all this, we have still not made up a single point on 20th place, and ths has to be down to AP.

 

For a few games now we have had the 'things are improving', or 'we are turning the corner',- sorry, but whilst we had our unbeaten run, it was 5 draws and one win, 8 points from a possible 18. When does that rate of return become 'not good enough' ?

I do not think it is time to ditch Pards, but the 'green shoots of recovery' need to sprout into flower pretty damn soon.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Our season starts next week......

[VectisSaint]

Changing the manager is not the answer. OK, we have had a crap start to the season when we should by now be on +5/6 points at least. But does anyone really want to go back to the good old days of sacking managers every 5 minutes. Where did that get us? I have a good feeling that Pardew and his coaching team will get us moving in the right direction soon. I never expected promotion this season, anyone who did is a little delusional IMHO, it is worrying that we are still just as far behind as we were at the start of the season, but there are still 30 odd games to go, and sacking the manager will do nothing to improve our plight, indeed it might make it worse.

[Sheff Saint]

God.

 

It's difficult to give an exact time but providing we are not still 10 points from safety in March (and we won't be, we'll be out the bottom 4 by a mile by then) i reckon next season is where we need to judge. If we're not well in the top 6 next October the pressure might be on.

 

Anyone who thinks anthing else really doesn't have a clue.

[Miltonaggro]

The original lucid question from Docker was at what point does the situation (and we are currently very much on relegation form) become untenable.

 

At present we are not even a dozen games in, and to be fair we have looked solid if not spectacular in a good few of those - progress is being made. However, on the back of a frustrating home defeat the fanbase is obviously going to be split and hackles raised. But, Bristol Rovers are a good TEAM in league 1, and I think the biggest challenge we (supporters and players) have to face is that like it or not we are very much in league 1 and to escape from this purgatory we have to learn to play as a team!

 

The head says that we must give Pardew a full season, and IMHO I think he will pull it round. The heart says that if we a still in deep trouble come the new year that the pressure may well become too much for both the majority of the support and Mr L, as he did not buy this club to play fourth division football...

[pimpin4rizeal]

if we are still deep in relegation zone by december

we should act

[RedAndWhite91]

I wonder how many of the people now calling for his head were singing "ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY" last night, before turning on him after the game had finished?

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Get to the end of November. If we're not winning as many as we're losing by then - cheerio.

[Glasgow_Saint]

I wonder how many of the people now calling for his head were singing "ALAN PARDEW'S RED AND WHITE ARMY" last night, before turning on him after the game had finished?

 

220?

[Glasgow_Saint]

God.

 

It's difficult to give an exact time but providing we are not still 10 points from safety in March (and we won't be, we'll be out the bottom 4 by a mile by then) i reckon next season is where we need to judge. If we're not well in the top 6 next October the pressure might be on.

 

Anyone who thinks anthing else really doesn't have a clue.

 

we wont get relegated from the prem.....ohh

 

we wont get relegated from CCC...........ohh

 

we wont be relegated from L1...............

[RedAndWhite91]

220?

 

Rhetorical question.

[WGC Saint]

From what I witnessed last night after the last game I went to (Brentford at SMS) we have come on in leaps and bounds.

 

Give it another half a dozen games and we'll be putting teams to the sword on a regular basis.

 

Bristol Rovers are a good side who are where they are on merit at the moment and we outplayed them for 70 minutes.

 

I'd give Pards until Xmas before even considering whether he's the right man for the job.

 

He needs time. Simple as that.

 

I'm sure he'll come good.

[gaz]

The worst thing about administration is that a certain element of the fan base will accept any sh*t served up with snail-paced progress because at least they've got a game to go to.

 

I for one was always confident the club would be saved. But this lack of progress is a living death, a coma for the club anyway.

 

And equally, a certain element of the fanbase demand instant results overnight, and scream hysterics when it doesn't happen.

 

Sad sign of the times, gratification has to come now or changes must be made etc etc.

 

Pards needs time, yes, that might mean we haven't stopped falling yet, but you can't snap fingers, throw wads of cash at a problem and see a solution. The banking world (and the rest of us) are seeing that now, and having a 1 year plan (never mind 3-4 months) just won't work.

[The Rover]

After their second goal our support almost instantly dried up for the rest of the match. All you could hear was the great support from their fans.

 

I can't help thinking that that difference played a very large part in inspiring their team on to win whilst sapping the confidence from our players. How much different would it have been had we out-shouted them?

 

Perhaps as fans we sometimes get the team we deserve.

 

Imho those calling for Pardew's head at this stage may as well be wishing League 2 on us with their lack of support for the team and manager that we actually have right now.

[SnailOB]

After their second goal our support almost instantly dried up for the rest of the match. All you could hear was the great support from their fans.

 

I can't help thinking that that difference played a very large part in inspiring their team on to win whilst sapping the confidence from our players. How much different would it have been had we out-shouted them?

 

Perhaps as fans we sometimes get the team we deserve.

 

Imho those calling for Pardew's head at this stage may as well be wishing League 2 on us with their lack of support for the team and manager that we actually have right now.

 

Us fans we are just awful - ALWAYS our fault (sigh, hint of sarcasm etc..)

 

There was plenty of support last night, is it any surprise that WE get on edge when the team again throw away a lead ?

 

MAYBE if our team stopped falling apart and sapping the confidence from the fans things might have been different. MAYBE the team gets the fans they deserve.

 

Sorry but i just hate this poor old players, fans fault stuff that always gets trotted out. There was NO booing during the game, nothing but total support.

[SNSUN]

Blimey give the man time. He's only ten games in. Sacking managers left right and centre is one of the reasons we fell from grace in the first place.

 

Pardew is a good manager, maybe initially some of his choices seem strange but he's still trying to find his best team. If I were to blame anyone for poor performance so far, it's be the players. Last night, the two players that stood out for me were Jaidi and Hammond - both Pardew signings.

 

Give him AT LEAST the season - then review it.

[SFC Forever]

Having nearly lost our club, some on here are quite prepared to give AP some time. Whilst time is not on our side I have grown increasingly frustrated with the way we have been run in recent times.

Times that have seen several managerial changes over a relatively short span of time.Time now for a change of tack, I would think, as we have all grown fed up with the persistant changes.

Changes that have seen us tumble down two divisions and very nearly see us going under.

Under the new ownership I can envisage a slow but steady improvement like that which I have already noticed with our team.

Our team needs us to get behind it and yesterday we did for good spells of the game.

A game which I felt, and still feel, we should have won.

 

We have improved, and soon will, hopefully, see points begin accumalating.

[MarkSFC]

Calling for Pardew to be sacked is ridiculous and would be counter-productive anyway.

 

All those who truly believe it would be best to change the manager, I am sure have no "management" or "coaching experience".

 

Look at the facts. AP took over a club in absolute turmoil just under 3 months ago. In that time he had to assemble his own coaching team, a completely new scouting set-up, as well as recruit, organise, and galvanise a football team. Those players who were left at the club (and still are) are either "kids" still learning their trade or professionals who had suffered the disaster of last season. Dealing with, and coaching the mental side of any sport or business is sometimes tougher than the physical actions. AND it takes LONGER.

 

Having listened to Alan Pardew (and NC) at the Forum I have no doubt whatsoever that he is the right manager for our club for a very long time. He comes across as someone who is comfortable in his role in the sense that he knows exactly what he wants and how he is going to achieve it. You can be the best coach/manager in the world but you ultimately rely on other people and their ability and most impoortantly thier attitude. In football it is difficult to just chop and change people around because of the transfer window system. Therefore, as AP stated he is still getting to know and understand his players and this takes time, time that he and the club had a damn site less of than every other club in our division. Most of the teams have been "building" for two or three seasons, and we are playing catch up in more ways than just the 10 point deduction.

 

It is time for ALL fans to realise and accept that this is a medium to long term project here, firstly to get back to the Championship and compete in it and then into the Premiership and beyond.

 

Apart from building the first team up again, the business is being built up again, and unlike a start up business, many things have to be understood and changed before real progress can be established. We are lucky because we have a great stadium, and training ground and in many respects a great set of supporters. So many clubs do not have anything like our facilities and maybe never will!!

 

It occurred to me recently that maybe our fanbase suffers from division because the "old hardcore" of Dell Fans has been complemented by a "new hardcore" of St Marys fans (ones who maybe never went to The Dell) and as such the new hardcore fans have "grown up" so to speak on the Prem and FA Cup glory of early 2000's and unlike the old hardcore, were/are not ofay with the fighting spirit mentality and togetherness factor that we did have at The Dell.

 

These points are not meant to disrespect any individual fan or section of fans, merely an observation of why it seems to me that there is a distinct lack of patience, realism and vision amongst many people, especially on here.

 

Just like AP is re-building our football team and NC is re-building our football club, we the fans need to be re-built to some degree. The pain of the last few years can only go away with a united fan-base who trust the new owner to put into his business the right people for the job. In time we can and will succeed and we will once again savour the Premiership and Europe BUT it will take time. One thing that apparently helped in ML's purchase of the club was the fans. If those same named people start getting impatient and argumentative and vocalise their wishes for change - yet again - then what does that say to the decision maker?

 

There are only two scenarios under which I would want AP to go and that is if after 5 or 6 years we are not in the Premiership or god forbid we get relegated this year, and even then I would not be too sure, but you never know unless it happened.

 

So my conclusion to my rather long post is that some how we the fans have to leave the bad past, the ill-feeling, and the natural urges to panic, in the past and look to the future positively, passionately and pro-actively. We must get behind the club and the team and the individuals and give them no excuses for failure. We must show the footballing world that we are brilliant fans who inspite of adverse times will still support their team and club as well as any other group of fans in the world would.

 

COYR!!!

[John B]

Calling for Pardew to be sacked is ridiculous and would be counter-productive anyway.

 

All those who truly believe it would be best to change the manager, I am sure have no "management" or "coaching experience".

 

Look at the facts. AP took over a club in absolute turmoil just under 3 months ago. In that time he had to assemble his own coaching team, a completely new scouting set-up, as well as recruit, organise, and galvanise a football team. Those players who were left at the club (and still are) are either "kids" still learning their trade or professionals who had suffered the disaster of last season. Dealing with, and coaching the mental side of any sport or business is sometimes tougher than the physical actions. AND it takes LONGER.

 

Having listened to Alan Pardew (and NC) at the Forum I have no doubt whatsoever that he is the right manager for our club for a very long time. He comes across as someone who is comfortable in his role in the sense that he knows exactly what he wants and how he is going to achieve it. You can be the best coach/manager in the world but you ultimately rely on other people and their ability and most impoortantly thier attitude. In football it is difficult to just chop and change people around because of the transfer window system. Therefore, as AP stated he is still getting to know and understand his players and this takes time, time that he and the club had a damn site less of than every other club in our division. Most of the teams have been "building" for two or three seasons, and we are playing catch up in more ways than just the 10 point deduction.

 

It is time for ALL fans to realise and accept that this is a medium to long term project here, firstly to get back to the Championship and compete in it and then into the Premiership and beyond.

 

Apart from building the first team up again, the business is being built up again, and unlike a start up business, many things have to be understood and changed before real progress can be established. We are lucky because we have a great stadium, and training ground and in many respects a great set of supporters. So many clubs do not have anything like our facilities and maybe never will!!

 

It occurred to me recently that maybe our fanbase suffers from division because the "old hardcore" of Dell Fans has been complemented by a "new hardcore" of St Marys fans (ones who maybe never went to The Dell) and as such the new hardcore fans have "grown up" so to speak on the Prem and FA Cup glory of early 2000's and unlike the old hardcore, were/are not ofay with the fighting spirit mentality and togetherness factor that we did have at The Dell.

 

These points are not meant to disrespect any individual fan or section of fans, merely an observation of why it seems to me that there is a distinct lack of patience, realism and vision amongst many people, especially on here.

 

Just like AP is re-building our football team and NC is re-building our football club, we the fans need to be re-built to some degree. The pain of the last few years can only go away with a united fan-base who trust the new owner to put into his business the right people for the job. In time we can and will succeed and we will once again savour the Premiership and Europe BUT it will take time. One thing that apparently helped in ML's purchase of the club was the fans. If those same named people start getting impatient and argumentative and vocalise their wishes for change - yet again - then what does that say to the decision maker?

 

There are only two scenarios under which I would want AP to go and that is if after 5 or 6 years we are not in the Premiership or god forbid we get relegated this year, and even then I would not be too sure, but you never know unless it happened.

 

So my conclusion to my rather long post is that some how we the fans have to leave the bad past, the ill-feeling, and the natural urges to panic, in the past and look to the future positively, passionately and pro-actively. We must get behind the club and the team and the individuals and give them no excuses for failure. We must show the footballing world that we are brilliant fans who inspite of adverse times will still support their team and club as well as any other group of fans in the world would.

 

COYR!!!

 

Unfortunately I dont think Pardew maybe the long term solution but I dont see the point of sacking him because it is very likely that we will beat most of the teams in the bottom part of the league and move away from the relegation places by January.

 

 

However if results dont improve in the spring that is another point.

Edited 30 September, 2009 by John B

[BridgnorthSaint]

Some people on here seem to forget, not so long ago we nearly didn't have a club. The football we are playing the effort being shown is hundred times better than over the last two years. Pardew has come in without proper full pre season and other than tonight tightened up our defence already. This season was always gonna be a seaon of consolidation to let pardew rebuild this team and club to rebuild its self. Now next season if we find our selfs with same amount of points at after same number of games then i would be calling for pardews head. Some fans need a sense of realism because there are a few idiots make rash calls forgetting the progress made of an almost defunct football club that i'm sometime ashamed to be associated and call myself a saints fan in the same breath.

 

Totally agree

[saintjinksie]

At what stage do you think Pardew should be sacked? If we're in the bottom four in November, December, March, or May? Is one win in ten not good enough? One win in twelve, fifteen or twenty?

 

It's all well and good the moral majority saying "give him time", "progress is being made" etc etc, but there must be a point when everyone would say enough is enough.

 

So what is it?

 

I never wanted him, I would have rather had dowie

[gordonToo]

Results have to have improved by Christmas otherwise the downward spiral will be difficult to break without AP first collecting his P45. Wotte for a triumphant return in January anyone?

[monsoon]

Anyone that wants pardew out after 10 games is a

 

MALE CHICKEN.

 

END OF.

[aintforever]

Would be daft to sack him now, we have to give him time to get his team playing how he wants.

 

I think if we are still 10 points adrift or similar by xmas he will have to go. Relegation is a real threat at the moment, if we are still 10 adrift at xmas it will be very likely.

 

The worrying thing is I get the impression the club and fans alike seem to think we are somehow immune from relegation because we have a big ground, a nice training complex and a rich owner. All that counts for nothing if it's not right on the pitch.

 

If we win our next 4 in a row we will probably still be in the relegation zone, a quarter of the season is gone and we have just one win - that is relegation form even without a 10 point deduction.

 

We also cannot ignore the fact that Pardew was awful at Charlton and got them relegated, he could easily do the same to us.

[docker-p]

Anyone that wants pardew out after 10 games is a

 

MALE CHICKEN.

 

END OF.

Try reading the thread. It's not about anyone calling for his removal now, it's asking people after long they would give him on current form (1 win in 10) before they would call for his removal.

If it were down to me I wouldn't sack him now, or after a defeat on Saturday or another defeat after that, but a record of say 1 win in 15 is sack time.

 

My guess is all those supporting AP, myself included, would have said 1 win in 10 is unacceptable at the start of the season.

[Chris Larkin]

I would suggest that you forget about Pardew at other clubs and focus on him here

The fact that he's been successful at two of the three clubs he's managed so far shows to me that Pardew probably knows what he's doing. I believe that long term success is more likely under someone with a reasonable track record than just anybody who can luck in to a few good results.

 

Perhaps I'm living in a world of my own, but I am astonished at the proportion of people on this thread who want Pardew gone. In 06/07, even by October there were people suggesting that we were so bad that we would never have a chance of the play-offs. As it was, we were unlucky not to get to the final. Extrapolations this early are stupid, just because results went against us on tuesday doesn't mean the sky is falling down.

 

Wotte for a triumphant return in January anyone?

Don't even joke about it.