Pardew Out. But when?

[docker-p]

At what stage do you think Pardew should be sacked? If we're in the bottom four in November, December, March, or May? Is one win in ten not good enough? One win in twelve, fifteen or twenty?

 

It's all well and good the moral majority saying "give him time", "progress is being made" etc etc, but there must be a point when everyone would say enough is enough.

 

So what is it?

[Saints foreva]

ASAP.

 

We need wins and I just can't see it happening whilst he is here.

[alpine_saint]

At what stage do you think Pardew should be sacked? If we're in the bottom four in November, December, March, or May? Is one win in ten not good enough? One win in twelve, fifteen or twenty?

 

It's all well and good the moral majority saying "give him time", "progress is being made" etc etc, but there must be a point when everyone would say enough is enough.

 

So what is it?

 

I think the situation will be reviewed if it drags on like this until Xmas.

[Leslie Charteris]

May 2011 - if we're not in the top six.

[trousers]

May 2011 - if we're not in the top six.

 

That could well be mathematically possible by Christmas, not May....

[Tractor_Saint]

Could be worse - could be Ipswich or Portsmouth.

 

Come on ffs - when Pardew was announced we were shouting from the roof tops. Now you're wanting him out? So, who do you think we can replace him with to do a better job? Keane, Hart? WTF is up with some people on this forum.

 

Get behind the team and the manager. At the start of this season I (along with a lot of on here maybe?) was expecting us to end up mid-table with a relatively new team that needs to gel. We'll still end up mid-table so what's the problem?

[Footballfan]

sorry to say it but I think we should stick with him,

[Wade Garrett]

Very difficult to answer.

 

Personally, I see no point in getting rid of him unless we can attract anyone decent to replace him.

 

I would say he should be judged by the board in 5 games time.

[Thedelldays]

Not for me......YET

 

ben saying for a few weeks that we have been under achieving but got told to shut up

 

 

Tonight, pardew worried me. All three of his subs made us progressively worse each time.... Very worrying

[S-Clarke]

If we're 15 points adrift in December, and still not picking up the results then i'd say the board could well be looking at solutions.

 

As i've said, Nicola isn't an idiot and he'll be looking at the bigger picture rather than knee-jerking at the moment.

 

If we're more adrift by xmas though - then there's obviously a problem.

[docker-p]

sorry to say it but I think we should stick with him,

But you're not playing the game. Stick with him for how long?

[saint lard]

he was never the right man for the job.

Coppell was the person that we should've installed...if possible.

[modern matron]

If we're 15 points adrift in December, and still not picking up the results then i'd say the board could well be looking at solutions.

 

As i've said, Nicola isn't an idiot and he'll be looking at the bigger picture rather than knee-jerking at the moment.

 

If we're more adrift by xmas though - then there's obviously a problem.

 

Absolutely agree with that.

 

I think tonight's game was a great illustration of where we are right now - played well enough to have won comfortably but not confident in getting the win hence collapse, BR going well expected to win plenty of confidence hence took over the game after a poor first hour.

 

I think AP has to find a way of instilling this self belief - if he does the results will come in a hurry - if not your scenario could become reality. I would suggest Steve Coppell is the fall back position as a replacement.

[saint_stevo]

4 more games, needs 9pts min

[Minsk]

At what stage do you think Pardew should be sacked? If we're in the bottom four in November, December, March, or May? Is one win in ten not good enough? One win in twelve, fifteen or twenty?

 

It's all well and good the moral majority saying "give him time", "progress is being made" etc etc, but there must be a point when everyone would say enough is enough.

 

So what is it?

 

 

Well, how many games do you think a manager should have after taking over a relegated team that has recently been in administration?

 

So he has had 10 games. What if he is sacked now and the next manager doesn't do any better? Should we also sack him after 10 games? Is 10 games the standard by which every manager should be judged?

 

I certainly hope you are given more than half a dog-watch by whoever your employer is in a new job, which has totally gone to the wall, to turn everything around before you get a size 9 up your @rse!

 

AP is working to a log term plan and he needs to be backed fully on his campaign. Or are you Rupert in disguise?

[trousers]

Come on ffs - when Pardew was announced we were shouting from the roof tops.

 

My recollection is slightly different. I felt there was a general concensus that he was a solid choice and "a big name for this league" but it didn't match the general euphoria when it was reported that Keegan was on the cusp of becoming our manager (just before the wheels fell off the Pinnacle bandwagon), for example...

 

Yes, there was general respect for the appointment of Pardew but I don;t recall too much "shouting from the roof tops". IMHO of course.

[hamster]

Even if we end up getting relegated again, I would be happy to stick with Pards. He imho has done well enough at a higher level and maybe he needs to learn a bit more about this league. I always said that this is a league of spoilers, at he mo, teams are playing a very frustrating but cagey game against the likes of us 'champagne charlies'. How many times have we heard the 'you're not famous any more' chant, and we always react by flicking the v's, you can tell a lot about a teams approach by the mindset of their fans, and tonight the Gasworks boys sung as one, and their team did likewise. I persoanlly was very impressed with the whole Bristol contingenet.

 

Truth of the matter is that we are playing quite naieve football. Alan Pardew, we need to go hell for leather occasionally and frighten the **** out of visiting teams. You can't sit on a lead in this league, you simply will not get away with it. As we saw not once, not twice but three imes tonight, if you're gonna beat a team you need to have the mentality to go out and rip them apart.

 

Just my opinion fwiw.

[S-Clarke]

Even if we end up getting relegated again, I would be happy to stick with Pards. He imho has done well enough at a higher level and maybe he needs to learn a bit more about this league. I always said that this is a league of spoilers, at he mo, teams are playing a very frustrating but cagey game against the likes of us 'champagne charlies'. How many times have we heard the 'you're not famous any more' chant, and we always react by flicking the v's, you can tell a lot about a teams approach by the mindset of their fans, and tonight the Gasworks boys sung as one, and their team did likewise. I persoanlly was very impressed with the whole Bristol contingenet.

 

Truth of the matter is that we are playing quite naieve football. Alan Pardew, we need to go hell for leather occasionally and frighten the **** out of visiting teams. You can't sit on a lead in this league, you simply will not get away with it. As we saw not once, not twice but three imes tonight, if you're gonna beat a team you need to have the mentality to go out and rip them apart.

 

Just my opinion fwiw.

 

If we get relegated, he'll be gone. That will be one almighty failure by any stretch of the imagination.

 

If we go down to L2 with this sqaud, something is seriously wrong - so for that reason, i wouldn't want to keep him.

 

I know what people are saying, we've chopped and changed alot etc and it hasn't helped - but keeping someone in the job, who clearly isn't doing a good job, for the sake of continuity is wrong IMO.

 

at the moment though, it's still too early to make that decision.

[chip]

Some people on here seem to forget, not so long ago we nearly didn't have a club. The football we are playing the effort being shown is hundred times better than over the last two years. Pardew has come in without proper full pre season and other than tonight tightened up our defence already. This season was always gonna be a seaon of consolidation to let pardew rebuild this team and club to rebuild its self. Now next season if we find our selfs with same amount of points at after same number of games then i would be calling for pardews head. Some fans need a sense of realism because there are a few idiots make rash calls forgetting the progress made of an almost defunct football club that i'm sometime ashamed to be associated and call myself a saints fan in the same breath.

[Redondo Saint]

Too early to even think about it. Christmas time will paint a more accurate picture of which direction we are moving in....

 

However, I will certainly not be too eager to spend almost 50 pounds again for me and my nipper if we can't give 100% for 90+ minutes.

Gillingham better be a win or the natives will become restless.....

[offix]

Short memories on here. We were near death, our club saved in the dying minutes, even the few half-decent players that we had were sold.

 

Given all that, and the fact that we have an experienced manager for this level, I think we are making decent progress. Would I like to see more wins? SURE! But we are coming from a very deep hole, and we are climbing our way out. I for one will keep the faith.

[docker-p]

Well, how many games do you think a manager should have after taking over a relegated team that has recently been in administration?

 

So he has had 10 games. What if he is sacked now and the next manager doesn't do any better? Should we also sack him after 10 games? Is 10 games the standard by which every manager should be judged?

 

I certainly hope you are given more than half a dog-watch by whoever your employer is in a new job, which has totally gone to the wall, to turn everything around before you get a size 9 up your @rse!

 

AP is working to a log term plan and he needs to be backed fully on his campaign. Or are you Rupert in disguise?

So how long? It's a simple question.

[hamster]

If we get relegated, he'll be gone.....

....If we go down to L2 with this sqaud, something is seriously wrong......

 

 

at the moment though, it's still too early to make that decision.

 

Currently though I reckon herein lies the problem, good squads don't win football matches, good teams do.

We lost to a half decent team tonight, I heard a good comment on solent this evening about Rovers "they are a team of round pegs in square holes, but they are a team and that is what matters"

 

When Fish came on I seriously thought that AP should have considered taking him off again withtin 5 minutes, maybe he should have!!

 

But you can't blame just one player, Harding not only should have upped his own game to give Fish the confidence to play further up field, he actually played worse and left Fish to look foolish on more than one occasion.

[Redondo Saint]

So how long? It's a simple question.

 

Do we have a poor squad or a poor manager for this division?

I'd like to believe the manager should have at least until Christmas before looking over his shoulder.

[docker-p]

Some people on here seem to forget, not so long ago we nearly didn't have a club. The football we are playing the effort being shown is hundred times better than over the last two years. Pardew has come in without proper full pre season and other than tonight tightened up our defence already. This season was always gonna be a seaon of consolidation to let pardew rebuild this team and club to rebuild its self. Now next season if we find our selfs with same amount of points at after same number of games then i would be calling for pardews head. Some fans need a sense of realism because there are a few idiots make rash calls forgetting the progress made of an almost defunct football club that i'm sometime ashamed to be associated and call myself a saints fan in the same breath.

1/4 of the season gone, 1 win. Continue this form and we will be consolidating in Division 2 next season. Just playing devils advocate.

So how long do we give AP?

[eurosaint]

There is a very fine line between success and failure in any game these days !

In the 94th min we had a strong penalty claim denied (against Hammond) and 30 secs later we are 3-2 down and the game is lost !

Schneiderlin and lallana both had excellent chances to put us 2 goals up at one stage in the 2nd half but both were scorned !

After the match on this forum there are 5 different threads about the manager, his performance and his future !

I realise that today's culture is all about immediate results but I cannot abide opinions which castigate one man to the exclusion of all else !

From what I can see he is working hard, with solid principles and pretty good judgement, sure, time will tell if he can achieve success but all this overkill after 10 games is a joke !

All IMHO of course.

[S-Clarke]

Currently though I reckon herein lies the problem, good squads don't win football matches, good teams do.

We lost to a half decent team tonight, I heard a good comment on solent this evening about Rovers "they are a team of round pegs in square holes, but they are a team and that is what matters"

 

When Fish came on I seriously thought that AP should have considered taking him off again withtin 5 minutes, maybe he should have!!

 

But you can't blame just one player, Harding not only should have upped his own game to give Fish the confidence to play further up field, he actually played worse and left Fish to look foolish on more than one occasion.

 

i agree with that, the 'team' is the key - we don't have that yet. Will we become one? it's hard to say...sometimes it just doesn't work with a group of players, no matter how hard they try. I really really hope this isn't the case here though.

 

Mills, IMO, was brought on to help harding contain williams - but it actually made the situation worse, bizzarley.

[Tac-tics]

Alan Pardew HAS to stay.

 

After seasons upon seasons of uncertainty, the club has just came through its worst season in history. To make matters worse we started pre-season with 2 coaching staff , a Mr. Mark Wotte and Stuart Henderson. Next we was told Pinnicle would be our saviours, yet they failed to meet private promises they made to the squad and fans. It may occur ludicrous that the players would have anything to worry about but at the end of the day they just suffered a relegation(some players first ever) and oddly financial uncertainty as well, crazy I know but it happens.

 

However, God was smiling on us when a Mr.Liebheer saved our club from extinction, rumoured to be 10days away. Not only was we lucky enough to get a very wealthy business man but he came along with a plan that would be executed by one of the most respectable bankers in European finance. Within in weeks, we had our debt written off, no more idiots in the board room, also with financial safety. Half way through pre season Henderson took over the squad with even more uncertainty.

 

Fast forward, we had a manager of premier league experience, a cup final under his belt and not a bad C.V. With that he brought his own rules and disciplines in, with two weeks before the season and even openly admitted the quality of training was Sunday league football and he had a lot of work to do, including bringing in his own players, a £1million pound signing in League One, as well as installing a scouting network and coaching team.

 

We know we have a very good squad, however we aren’t going to have a storming TEAM in this short space. I to agree its concerning but we should still be grateful for what has happened and honestly give Pardew this season, even if we finish 19th, they will learn from the mistakes and grow as a team if we keep them together…look at Bristol Rovers.

 

AP has to stay, it adds stability to the club after years of poor running.

We have a CLUB to be proud of and a team that is growing.

[Chris Larkin]

1/4 of the season gone, 1 win. Continue this form and we will be consolidating in Division 2 next season. Just playing devils advocate.

So how long do we give AP?

At least the rest of this season, even if he ends up taking us down. Considering his record at Reading and West Ham, I believe there is nobody better than Pardew who we are likely to attract while in League One.

 

I have absolute belief that we will stay up under Alan Pardew, and considering the situation we were in not long ago, that for this year is entirely enough for me.

[hamster]

i agree with that, the 'team' is the key - we don't have that yet. Will we become one? it's hard to say...sometimes it just doesn't work with a group of players, no matter how hard they try. I really really hope this isn't the case here though.

 

Mills, IMO, was brought on to help harding contain williams - but it actually made the situation worse, bizzarley.

 

Yup, played right into his hands. They ended up getting pulled al over the show, and left Brizzle with a spare player to run at those in the box. Would never have happened to Rudi, but we are not allowed totalk about 'the past' are we..

[hamster]

/\

The big worry if the wost happens and we go down, is that another chairman pinches Pards. I like his style, I like what he says, I just hope he is ready for a fight, I am.

[mUrph]

Rome wasn't built in a day and all that. I really don't see the logic in firing him this season or next for that matter.

 

If we're not to be reactionary idiots we're gonna have to stick with it imo.

[eurosaint]

At least the rest of this season, even if he ends up taking us down. Considering his record at Reading and West Ham, I believe there is nobody better than Pardew who we are likely to attract while in League One.

 

I have absolute belief that we will stay up under Alan Pardew, and considering the situation we were in not long ago, that for this year is entirely enough for me.

 

I agree with you Chris, the negative aftermath of a defeat, particularly after being ahead twice and losing to an injury time winner is understandable ! In the wider context I refuse to believe that we will be relegated, as this squad of players will pull us through even if only by a limited margin !

A five year plan, constructed by intelligent people, will not be destroyed after 2 months because of knee jerk and emotive reactions in the wake of disappointing results !

It is hard for all of us to endure this ongoing period of frustration but there is no other way at this moment in time, sacking the manager would take us right back to square one, so what is the point ???

[BadgerBadger]

Patience is king, we have a sound basis for a football club - it's something that has been lacking for too long and we need to look long term. the early change boys are fly by night ****ing glory hunters

[alpine_saint]

The worst thing about administration is that a certain element of the fan base will accept any sh*t served up with snail-paced progress because at least they've got a game to go to.

 

I for one was always confident the club would be saved. But this lack of progress is a living death, a coma for the club anyway.

[LaptopSaint]

I agree with you Chris, the negative aftermath of a defeat, particularly after being ahead twice and losing to an injury time winner is understandable ! In the wider context I refuse to believe that we will be relegated, as this squad of players will pull us through even if only by a limited margin !

A five year plan, constructed by intelligent people, will not be destroyed after 2 months because of knee jerk and emotive reactions in the wake of disappointing results !

It is hard for all of us to endure this ongoing period of frustration but there is no other way at this moment in time, sacking the manager would take us right back to square one, so what is the point ???

 

Thanks euro. My blood pressure was rising as i read some of the comments on this thread. A five year plan - constructed by INTELLIGENT people...

[chrisobee]

But this lack of progress is a living death, a coma for the club anyway.

 

Only for those like you who really should seek help for this obsession you have for posting such negative views, 10,000+ suggests you've more than had your fair share to say so those of us who believe life doesn't suddenly end when we lose are entitled to remain positive if we so chose. I do so chose so rather than whingeing about those who are positive and telling them ( very arrogantly it has to be said) to deal with those who don't agree with your view point I suggest you stop being a hypocrite and jumping on anything positive you see, but then again as I said obsessional so you really can't help yourself can you ?

[Tamesaint]

Some people are such drama queens. We lose a cracking match to a stunning goal in the last minute and they want the manager sacked!!

 

Sacking managers every 5 minutes is a major reason why we now sit in the third tier of English football. Lets calm down and move on. Be patient.

[alpine_saint]

Only for those like you who really should seek help for this obsession you have for posting such negative views, 10,000+ suggests you've more than had your fair share to say so those of us who believe life doesn't suddenly end when we lose are entitled to remain positive if we so chose. I do so chose so rather than whingeing about those who are positive and telling them ( very arrogantly it has to be said) to deal with those who don't agree with your view point I suggest you stop being a hypocrite and jumping on anything positive you see, but then again as I said obsessional so you really can't help yourself can you ?

 

Whats with all the personal abuse ?

 

I didnt know there was a posting limit.

 

And you accuse me of arrogance and hypocrisy ?

 

Some self-awareness issues on here, methinks...

[JustMike]

Not for me......YET

 

ben saying for a few weeks that we have been under achieving but got told to shut up

 

 

Tonight, pardew worried me. All three of his subs made us progressively worse each time.... Very worrying

 

dont agree with your last statement.

 

Sub 1 - Mills on for Melis - Melis shouldnt have been anywhere near the starting XI

 

Sub 2 - Saga on for Papa - Papa was clearly knackered so we bring a striker o, one in which most where calling for.

 

Sub 3 - Wotton for Morgan - Same reason as Papa went off. Morgan had worked his socks off and Wotton was the only centre midfielder there and for all his issues, does add grit.

 

So no, nothing wrong with any of them imo

[chrisobee]

Whats with all the personal abuse ?

 

I didnt know there was a posting limit.

 

And you accuse me of arrogance and hypocrisy ?

 

Some self-awareness issues on here, methinks...

 

Indeed, from you since you're the one bangs on about people being "happy clappy" as if everyone has to be as negative as you. Unfortunately there is no posting limit but the hypocrisy comes when you criticise others for being positive. At least when I express a view I don't hide behind some assumed name, post as many posts as you wish, post as many many negative posts as you wish but Im damned if I am going to sit here and say nothing when you're on the case of just about anyone who wants to say something positive. Hypocrisy indeed and I'm very self aware thanks, another typically disdainful comment.

[John B]

At what stage do you think Pardew should be sacked? If we're in the bottom four in November, December, March, or May? Is one win in ten not good enough? One win in twelve, fifteen or twenty?

 

It's all well and good the moral majority saying "give him time", "progress is being made" etc etc, but there must be a point when everyone would say enough is enough.

 

So what is it?

 

An interesting question

 

Although we are 10 points a drift we are not getting further away from safety so unless we get further away I suggest he will not be removed.

 

We dont really know what the new regime are expecting this season

[saintsmike25]

Funny how most of the ones calling for his head haven't been to a vast majority of the games. Frankly the way we do play means we will be midtable we can give the good teams of the league a good game and take points off them, what we HAVE to do is start winning the games we SHOULD win. Notably the home games against the likes of Brentford/Colchester etc which we're drawing however, i can envesiage a good result come Saturday the loss will have buoyed the players.

 

We don't have injury problems either.

[John B]

At least the rest of this season, even if he ends up taking us down. Considering his record at Reading and West Ham, I believe there is nobody better than Pardew who we are likely to attract while in League One.

 

I have absolute belief that we will stay up under Alan Pardew, and considering the situation we were in not long ago, that for this year is entirely enough for me.

 

I would suggest that you forget about Pardew at other clubs and focus on him here

[CamberwellSaint]

So how long? It's a simple question.

 

And it betrays a simple attitude.

 

Pardew started with no time to prep the squad, and found himself with Kelvin Davis and a shower of ****e for players.

 

Anyone wanting "how many games shall I give him" answers at the end of September, has no clue.

 

Sorry, but there it is.

[alpine_saint]

Indeed, from you since you're the one bangs on about people being "happy clappy" as if everyone has to be as negative as you. Unfortunately there is no posting limit but the hypocrisy comes when you criticise others for being positive. At least when I express a view I don't hide behind some assumed name, post as many posts as you wish, post as many many negative posts as you wish but Im damned if I am going to sit here and say nothing when you're on the case of just about anyone who wants to say something positive. Hypocrisy indeed and I'm very self aware thanks, another typically disdainful comment.

 

Wow, attacking my assumed user name when most people on here have one - really scraping the bottom of the barrel....

 

You dont have to read my comments. I reckon that you and a lot of people on here so determined to draw positives out of the most ridiculous of match outcome and refuse to see the real issues facing the club is really a desperate situation.

 

I come on here an express my opinion of where we are going on the strength of the match result. I rarely comment on the mass delusion on this site any more. But you and your ilk FREAK at any post that doesnt suggest we will win the Champions League in 5 years.

[John B]

And it betrays a simple attitude.

 

Pardew started with no time to prep the squad, and found himself with Kelvin Davis and a shower of ****e for players.

 

Anyone wanting "how many games shall I give him" answers at the end of September, has no clue.

 

Sorry, but there it is.

 

But he still has done a crap job with the squad he has avialable I would have thought

[alpine_saint]

And it betrays a simple attitude.

 

Pardew started with no time to prep the squad, and found himself with Kelvin Davis and a shower of ****e for players.

 

Anyone wanting "how many games shall I give him" answers at the end of September, has no clue.

 

Sorry, but there it is.

 

Wearing very, very thin...

[Saint in Paradise]

But he still has done a crap job with the squad he has avialable I would have thought

 

What about the coaches he recruited ? Are they doing their jobs ? AP can't be expected to do everything surely ?

[John B]

What about the coaches he recruited ? Are they doing their jobs ? AP can't be expected to do everything surely ?

 

OK Pardew is doing a fine job nine points from ten games he picks the teams and makes the substitutions buys the players appoints the coaches