U.S. Military may lift ban on women in submarines

[Saint in Paradise]

How long before UK does the same

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top Pentagon officials are calling for an end to the U.S. military's historical ban on allowing women to serve in submarines.

 

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/odd/6109800/military-may-lift-ban-on-women-in-submarines/

 

 

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[Thedelldays]

We won't do this... Not in the near future anyway or on any class of submarine in service or being built...

 

 

Thank god to be honest... Would be the end of an effective submarine service for the UK

Edited 29 September, 2009 by Thedelldays

[Post-it note]

We won't do this... Not in the near future anyway or on any class of submarine in service or being built...

 

 

Thank god to be honest... Would be the end of an effective submarine service for the UK

 

Do you not want teh sex on teh sub?

[Verbal]

We won't do this... Not in the near future anyway or on any class of submarine in service or being built...

 

 

Thank god to be honest... Would be the end of an effective submarine service for the UK

 

Wow. I could have sworn it was 2009.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Do you not want teh sex on teh sub?

 

Maybe he is already getting it !!

[Dimond Geezer]

Have you seen how women drive, bumping the family motor into the gate post is one thing, backing a nuclear sub into a dockside is another……

 

Cheap gag, I’ll get my tin hat & take cover….. :smt070

[.comsaint]

I share your concerns TDD. I mean...who's gonna bear the brunt of moody, irrational, bad-tempered behaviour once a month in a very confined space? You have my sympathy...

[Thedelldays]

Wow. I could have sworn it was 2009.

 

Says from someone who has no idea of the workings of a submarine or the environment required to push them to the limit in very dangerous situations.

[Give it to Ron]

Won't happen ...how is the tampon/sanitary towel company going to change the bin when the sub is under the Atlantic - it will cost loads to dock at sea.

[TopGun]

Says from someone who has no idea of the workings of a submarine or the environment required to push them to the limit in very dangerous situations.

 

It's an irrelevance anyway TDD as the next govt (Lab or Con) will be cutting at least one bomber and one attack sub so you'll have plenty of crew to go around!

[Verbal]

Says from someone who has no idea of the workings of a submarine or the environment required to push them to the limit in very dangerous situations.

 

Well, my brother served on a little boat called Conqueror. He's told me some pretty vivid stories! Anyway, being heterosexual, he supports the idea of women on subs.

 

Would I go anywhere near a sub? No way.

 

I just think that female company might make your posts less snippy and wiseacre-like. I'm just thinking of us, not you.

[.comsaint]

Won't happen ...how is the tampon/sanitary towel company going to change the bin when the sub is under the Atlantic - it will cost loads to dock at sea.

 

It doesn't bear thinking about! I have visions of female members of the crew packing "used" towels into a cannister - to be fired from a torpedo tube underwater...

 

Imagine the skipper raising the periscope whilst submerged...only to see a used jam rag caught dangling over the optics...

 

"NUMBER 1 - GET THAT BLOODY THING OFF MY SUBMARINE THIS INSTANT!"

 

"Er - aye aye Sir"...

 

Eeeewwww!!!

[Thedelldays]

You hope they bin one bomber and attack sub other than that already programmed...

 

As for women on our subs... Can imagine a week in to a highly secret recon patrol in highly sensitive waters and a women turned round and said she was pregnant and/or had complications..

 

Never going to happen with any of our subs in service, in build or planned for build.

 

Even if I did my full time in the submarine service I will never see it...

And as I have said. THANK FUK

[dune]

I'm sorry to be sexist but when a woman does a mans job it is invariably doesn't work.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

Says from someone who has no idea of the workings of a submarine or the environment required to push them to the limit in very dangerous situations.

 

wow. you are a true hero. wow.

[mack rill]

Dulldays, if you are allowed to go Down! so should the wiminzz:D

[Colinjb]

You hope they bin one bomber and attack sub other than that already programmed...

 

As for women on our subs... Can imagine a week in to a highly secret recon patrol in highly sensitive waters and a women turned round and said she was pregnant and/or had complications..

 

Never going to happen with any of our subs in service, in build or planned for build.

 

Even if I did my full time in the submarine service I will never see it...

And as I have said. THANK FUK

 

I fully respect that my opinion is skewed by having never served in those situations but is it really, really that distracting from duty to have someone of a different gender aboard?

 

I find it really hard to believe that your professionalism and focus would really be that distracted by a pair of boobs and the posibility of 'complications' as you put it.

[View From The Top]

wow. you are a true hero. wow.

 

Wow. you're a total loser. Wow.

[View From The Top]

I fully respect that my opinion is skewed by having never served in those situations but is it really, really that distracting from duty to have someone of a different gender aboard?

 

I find it really hard to believe that your professionalism and focus would really be that distracted by a pair of boobs and the posibility of 'complications' as you put it.

 

Mine is.

[Thedelldays]

I fully respect that my opinion is skewed by having never served in those situations but is it really, really that distracting from duty to have someone of a different gender aboard?

 

I find it really hard to believe that your professionalism and focus would really be that distracted by a pair of boobs and the posibility of 'complications' as you put it.

 

Unless youn do the time underwater it I hard to think

[Baj]

There's women astronauts in the space station. Women explorers of antarctica at science stations. Women serving on aircraft carriers and frigates. Plenty of other examples of situation that are both isolated and confined where women perform perfectly well alongside men. What's so different about submariners ?

[Ludwig]

There's women astronauts in the space station. Women explorers of antarctica at science stations. Women serving on aircraft carriers and frigates. Plenty of other examples of situation that are both isolated and confined where women perform perfectly well alongside men. What's so different about submariners ?

 

male submariners are sub-human and women should not be subjected to being in a confined space with them for extended periods for their own safety

[Weston Super Saint]

Unless youn do the time underwater it I hard to think

 

Have you got the bends?

[mack rill]

male submariners are sub-human and women should not be subjected to being in a confined space with them for extended periods for their own safety

 

Also old Dulldays has to use telc to wash,,,,,,It could go all doughy on the wiminzz;)

[Thedelldays]

There's women astronauts in the space station. Women explorers of antarctica at science stations. Women serving on aircraft carriers and frigates. Plenty of other examples of situation that are both isolated and confined where women perform perfectly well alongside men. What's so different about submariners ?

 

There is not one sailor I know who used to serve on ships before women did who say the operational capability got better when women were allowed on

 

infact all say it was the start of the decline In the surface fleet

 

why are women generally kept away from the specialist elements of the armed forces.?

Edited 29 September, 2009 by Thedelldays

[Kadeem Hardison]

Do you not want teh sex on teh sub?

 

Yes he does. That's why he doesn't want any women on the sub narrowing his chances.

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

I did a quick study and found out that it is true. No woman in history has ever, EVER been able to handle high-pressure situations and claustrophobic conditions as well as Delldays. In fact, of any man at all.

 

To demonstrate, I have constructed this graph to demonstrate my findings:

 

Graph demonstrating the type of people who can handle high-pressure situations

 

People that can handle high-pressure environments: (

 

Ghandi

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Sir Isaac Newton

Charles DeGaulle

Delldays

Jesus Christ

 

 

People that can handle medium-pressure environments (0.1 – 20% world population)

 

Johan Cruijff

Bill Clinton

Ivan The Terrible

Weston Super Saint

Sir Francis Drake

 

 

People who can only handle low-pressure environments (20 – 50% of world population)

 

StuRomseySaint

J Bizzle

Idi Amin

All other men

 

 

People who cry when the pressure gets to them (50 – 100% world population)

 

Mother Theresa

Ann Frank

Maire Curie

Kate Shepperd

Sylvia Pankhurst

Harriet Tubman

Rosa Parks

Queen Boudicca

Joan of Arc

Florence Nightingale

Catherine the Great

Every other woman ever

 

 

Proof if proof be need be. Delldays, we owe you our liberty.

[Weston Super Saint]

Woot!

 

I'm in with Ivan the Terrible

[Atticus Finch of Maycomb]

Woot!

 

I'm in with Ivan the Terrible

 

i was as suprised as you are

[Dimond Geezer]

Mine is.

 

I hope the girls in your class are safe:mad:

[View From The Top]

I hope the girls in your class are safe:mad:

 

I prefer moobs.

[hamster]

Q.

What does my ex-wife have in common with dd's submarine.

 

A.

They are both full of thick semen.

[sotonjoe]

There is not one sailor I know who used to serve on ships before women did who say the operational capability got better when women were allowed on

 

infact all say it was the start of the decline In the surface fleet

 

why are women generally kept away from the specialist elements of the armed forces.?

 

 

So far from you being in the minority as a sexist member of the armed forces, your experience shows that your misogyny is commonplace?

 

That's ok then.

 

I've read with interest your views on Muslim extremists and now your views on women, and I can't say they've done much to improve my views of armed service personnel.

 

I'm sure not everybody in the armed forces thinks the same way as you (I sincerely bloody hope not anyway), but you should have a serious think about what sort of picture your moral posturing may paint of yourself and, by association, your colleagues.

[Thedelldays]

So far from you being in the minority as a sexist member of the armed forces, your experience shows that your misogyny is commonplace?

 

That's ok then.

 

I've read with interest your views on Muslim extremists and now your views on women, and I can't say they've done much to improve my views of armed service personnel.

 

I'm sure not everybody in the armed forces thinks the same way as you (I sincerely bloody hope not anyway), but you should have a serious think about what sort of picture your moral posturing may paint of yourself and, by association, your colleagues.

 

do you really think I care what anyone writes on this place. Well those who have never worked in a forces evironmemt on operations

 

ask yourself this. Why are women kept away from the specialist elements o the armed forces in general

[Thedelldays]

Oh. What did I say about Muslim extremists that got your attention. You say that as if I was racist.?

 

I said that I would rather they were not in this coutry? Is that bad?

[INFLUENCED.COM]

I'm sure not everybody in the armed forces thinks the same way as you (I sincerely bloody hope not anyway)

 

Perhaps they bloody well do and equally may have good reason, why not poll those in the armed forces and obtain opinion then you will be in a position to make an informed judgement on those who serve our country.

[Thedelldays]

With women... It's not about their capability, as of course this would not be a problem. It is a medical issue added to that if you go down a uk SSN or SSBN you would see that you live out of each others pockets at sea

 

for example a uk SSN would take around 45 junior rates to sea those 45 have 3 sinks, 3 toilets and 1 shower. The sleeping and washing arrangements alone would make it very difficult when you are doing 6 hours on watch then 6 hours off 6 on, 6 off etc. No let up in that routine for weeks/months on end

 

it just wonT work or not have an effect on the overall operational capability. Which on a submarine on operations that are mostly top secret is everything..

 

 

What do you do with their jam rags? Lol

Edited 30 September, 2009 by Thedelldays

[Barney Trubble]

I did a quick study and found out that it is true. No woman in history has ever, EVER been able to handle high-pressure situations and claustrophobic conditions as well as Delldays. In fact, of any man at all.

 

To demonstrate, I have constructed this graph to demonstrate my findings:

 

Graph demonstrating the type of people who can handle high-pressure situations

 

People that can handle high-pressure environments: (

 

Ghandi

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Sir Isaac Newton

Charles DeGaulle

Delldays

Jesus Christ

 

 

People that can handle medium-pressure environments (0.1 – 20% world population)

 

Johan Cruijff

Bill Clinton

Ivan The Terrible

Weston Super Saint

Sir Francis Drake

 

 

People who can only handle low-pressure environments (20 – 50% of world population)

 

StuRomseySaint

J Bizzle

Idi Amin

All other men

 

 

People who cry when the pressure gets to them (50 – 100% world population)

 

Mother Theresa

Ann Frank

Maire Curie

Kate Shepperd

Sylvia Pankhurst

Harriet Tubman

Rosa Parks

Queen Boudicca

Joan of Arc

Florence Nightingale

Catherine the Great

Every other woman ever

 

 

Proof if proof be need be. Delldays, we owe you our liberty.

 

Joan of Arc was one of the greatest female leaders of all time, I would have her in the top section, as opposed to the bottom, purely based on her heroics at the battle of Orleans. Plus she never cried when she was burned - that's pretty tough in my opinion;)

 

I'm thinking that not allowing women onto submarines is more due to the fear of man not being able to control himself when away for months on end. I'm sure if it's a choice of cracking one off or pinning some young bit of stuff to the bed and emptying your load, then the temptation for the latter would be quite high. Cabin Fever can do all sorts of thing's with the mind.

 

On a more serious note, do any other countries with a serious armed forces allow female personnel on Submarines when on active duty?

[Thedelldays]

Joan of Arc was one of the greatest female leaders of all time, I would have her in the top section, as opposed to the bottom, purely based on her heroics at the battle of Orleans. Plus she never cried when she was burned - that's pretty tough in my opinion;)

 

I'm thinking that not allowing women onto submarines is more due to the fear of man not being able to control himself when away for months on end. I'm sure if it's a choice of cracking one off or pinning some young bit of stuff to the bed and emptying your load, then the temptation for the latter would be quite high. Cabin Fever can do all sorts of thing's with the mind.

 

On a more serious note, do any other countries with a serious armed forces allow female personnel on Submarines when on active duty?

 

Sweden do I think. But they don't have nuclear powered subs which is part of the issue. Also very few countries in the world (us the yanks and the Russians). Are capable of the types of special ops that we do. Which to maintain operational capability is essential.

[Verbal]

Sweden do I think. But they don't have nuclear powered subs which is part of the issue. Also very few countries in the world (us the yanks and the Russians). Are capable of the types of special ops that we do. Which to maintain operational capability is essential.

 

I have to admit, Yoda, that made me laugh.

 

So what is it, exactly about women and nuclear subs in particular? You worried that they might dry their undies on the reactor core?

[Red&White]

We won't do this... Not in the near future anyway or on any class of submarine in service or being built...

 

 

Thank god to be honest... Would be the end of an effective submarine service for the UK

 

Spot on mate !

[Dog]

There's women astronauts in the space station. Women explorers of antarctica at science stations. Women serving on aircraft carriers and frigates. Plenty of other examples of situation that are both isolated and confined where women perform perfectly well alongside men. What's so different about submariners ?

 

"Open the window Mabel, I've just let one go."

[Huffton]

 

So what is it, exactly about women and nuclear subs in particular? You worried that they might dry their undies on the reactor core?

 

Well seeing as most of them don't know how to put oil in a car I wouldn't want them playing around with a nuke...

[Thedelldays]

I have to admit, Yoda, that made me laugh.

 

So what is it, exactly about women and nuclear subs in particular? You worried that they might dry their undies on the reactor core?

 

Lol you seen the expert tell me why I am wrong.

[sotonjoe]

I have to admit, Yoda, that made me laugh.

 

So what is it, exactly about women and nuclear subs in particular? You worried that they might dry their undies on the reactor core?

 

Exactly. This is fascinating reading and DullDays is really on form at the moment. With every post, he outs himself more and more.

[Niemster]

Delldays is the only person here who currentley works on a sub thus his points are surely valid?

[Verbal]

Delldays is the only person here who currentley works on a sub thus his points are surely valid?

 

His points? He doesn't have any points. He is the Southampton of submarines.

[Thedelldays]

So verbal and sotonjoe

 

you two seem to be the experts and not me who has been in the job for a decade. Why am I wrong? Why do women not serve on nuclear subs the world over... Please correct me with the facts.

 

Thanks

 

Xxx

[Ponty]

Surely you should be telling us why nukes make the difference? In my ignorance I can only imagine that your concerns have much to do with the almost infinate length of time a nuclear sub can remain at sea, especially compared to a diesel. That would presumably exacerbate any perceived problems you'd have?

[Thedelldays]

Surely you should be telling us why nukes make the difference? In my ignorance I can only imagine that your concerns have much to do with the almost infinate length of time a nuclear sub can remain at sea, especially compared to a diesel. That would presumably exacerbate any perceived problems you'd have?

 

why should I? The 2 resident experts will tell me I am wrong without having the first clue what they are on about.

 

But since you aske ponty..

 

In a nutshell. When you serve on board nuclear powered subs you are living in close proximity to a nuclear reactor for weeks/months on end. Not like if you worked in a nuc power plant where you go home and away from said reactor when you finish work.

 

To that end you get subjected to doses of nuclear radiation as well a other potentionally harmfull atmospheric elements. It is a scientiic fact (which all nations with nuc subs follow) that the dosage received will potentionally cause more harm to the female internal organs than those of male. It is a fact that the constant dodge received over a long period of time could very well caus harm to a womens reproductive organs. And that is a risk that no nation is ready to take. There us more to it but that is one reason with regards to the nuclear element o the job. There are plenty of others.

 

Add that to the sleeping and living arrangements on what is a very cramped operational environment.

 

Going to sea and conducting high end operations in sensitive waters on a sub is unique and can't be compared to anything else.

 

I could go on but on my iPhone so will leave it there.