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It really is staggering the differences in opinion that teachers bring in different countries. My GF is a school teacher here (Ireland), starting salary of 41,000 euro's. It is a hugely respected profession, and as such produces one of the best education systems in the world.

 

Compare that to England....£19,000 starting salary, not a respected career (as this thread suggests), and as such produces a quite frankly terrible education system.

 

England does seem to have a rather large chip on its shoulder regarding all things teaching.

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It really is staggering the differences in opinion that teachers bring in different countries. My GF is a school teacher here (Ireland), starting salary of 41,000 euro's. It is a hugely respected profession, and as such produces one of the best education systems in the world.

 

Compare that to England....£19,000 starting salary, not a respected career (as this thread suggests), and as such produces a quite frankly terrible education system.

 

England does seem to have a rather large chip on its shoulder regarding all things teaching.

 

£21000 starting salary, actually. But anyway......

 

Before people start judging teachers anyone of you is welcome to come see my bottom set year 10s in action. Parents need judging not (the majority of) teachers.

 

I was in at 7.30am and home at 6pm today, that's a pretty average day FWIW. Only 4 weeks til half term though.

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Thorpe-le-Saint

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Teachers moaning like the world owes them a living?

 

Hysterically overreacting to what would be perfectly normal requirement for any employee in any job, public or private sector anywhere in the country?

 

Griping and groaning despite being well paid, well holiday-ed and pensioned up to the eyeballs to a degree that most private sector workers could only dream of?

 

Convinced that they are the only people who have ever done a hard days work?

 

Shut up crying into your copy of the Guardian and get into the real world because you're all whining like sl ag s at the moment but you wait until Cameron and the boys in blue start work next summer.

 

You won't have it this good again, because they'll be stopping the union fuelled gravy train the public sector have been on since 97. Get ready to really have something to grizzle about.

 

Look forward to lots of strike action then :)

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I'd be more worried for your kids with a neurotic, fragile, insipid parent who obviously can't see this as the thin end of the wedge in an effort to control all workers eventually!

 

They introduced licensing hours in the first world war to control the antics of the drinking populace, a fair reason, but they were only relaxed a few years ago! If this comes to pass I wonder how long before it's being enforced and introduced to other occupations. Aren't the vast majority of us sensible anyway with drink?

 

What subject will be next?

 

How about you grow a pair and think about the gradual erosion of civil liberties which may, at some stage, affect you?

 

Things may be bleak in the Union inspired, post Orwellian world that you occupy ESB, but the some of us decided a few years ago that any Huxley-esque visions of the world we had as students were not really relevant.

 

Seriously though, to say this is an erosion of civil liberites insults people who stand up for civil liberties. The whole argument of the OP was basing his civil liberties around getting ****ed. Shameful, in my opinion. I thought some would show more judgement before jumping on the shop steward bandwagon.

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Without having bothered to read the links does the proposal actually say "teachers can not go into a pub"?

 

Thought not. Stop being stupid.

 

As an accountant I am covered by a similar "code of conduct".

 

If you want your professional body to stand for high standards and the level of respectability that I think teaching should, then you acknowledge that to maintain the reputation of that organisation there are certain standards that should be met.

 

Sadly comments along the lines of "my responsibility as a teacher only applies between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m. Monday to Friday" suggests that there may be a reason that teaching has lost the standing it once had.

 

This doesn't mean that you can't go to the pub. It does mean that if you go to the pub get bed wettingly w**kered and then on spotting a pupil at the bar march up and puke all over them then you should face a disciplinary procedure, and rightly so.

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£21000 starting salary, actually. But anyway......

 

Before people start judging teachers anyone of you is welcome to come see my bottom set year 10s in action. Parents need judging not (the majority of) teachers.

 

I was in at 7.30am and home at 6pm today, that's a pretty average day FWIW. Only 4 weeks til half term though.

 

Yep thats right, 4 weeks off at the expense of of the taxpayer of whatever fecking country you scrounge off. Happy holidays.

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One week at half term you uneducated mong.

 

And just to get on your nerves:

 

2 weeks at xmas.

 

Feb half term

 

2 weeks at Easter

 

May half term

 

6 weeks summer holidays.

 

Enjoy foaming at the mouth all day.

 

Sweet. I'll have you know that I passed my food hygiene certificate a few years ago.

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As a year 13 student i understand the work that teachers do. So all those people who are criticizing them how about you go try doing the job they do. Yes they get long holidays but frankly i think most of them deserve it and even then most teachers spend that time working. Yes you get the odd teacher who will act like the ones most people are criticizing but for every bad teacher you get at least 5 good ones who will give up there free time to help there students.

 

Also as someone who is thinking about going in to teaching do any of you teachers out there have any advice you can give me

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As a year 13 student i understand the work that teachers do. So all those people who are criticizing them how about you go try doing the job they do. Yes they get long holidays but frankly i think most of them deserve it and even then most teachers spend that time working. Yes you get the odd teacher who will act like the ones most people are criticizing but for every bad teacher you get at least 5 good ones who will give up there free time to help there students.

 

Also as someone who is thinking about going in to teaching do any of you teachers out there have any advice you can give me

 

Yeah, don't teach English... :|

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Yeah is a word. It's a colloquialism but it is a perfectly acceptable word to use, especially on a internet forum.

 

Enough rubbish pedantry already.

 

When trying to make an (unfunny) joke about not becoming an English teacher, it becomes relevant.

 

Just as much as I wouldn't want an English teacher not knowing how to spell 'criticising', I also wouldn't want one teaching children 'Yeah' instead of 'Yes'.

 

As for your Americanisation of the last sentence, well.....

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When trying to make an (unfunny) joke about not becoming an English teacher, it becomes relevant.

 

Just as much as I wouldn't want an English teacher not knowing how to spell 'criticising', I also wouldn't want one teaching children 'Yeah' instead of 'Yes'.

 

As for your Americanisation of the last sentence, well.....

 

 

Ponty isn't and doesn't want to be a teacher so is well within his rights to use "yeah", especially as we're on a forum here and no-one is teaching kids anything via Saints Web. Expecting people not to use the word "yeah" is a forlorn hope these days.

 

And I prefer to be more specific on the "enough..already" line - it's a lovely New York Jewish turn of phrase and I make no apologies for using it. It certainly isn't "wrong". That's the beauty of English - there's loads of it around, ever evolving, expanding, growing and even eating itself.

 

That's the kind of thing teachers should be inspiring our kids with instead of bellyaching about being asked to act like adults with a profession, whining about how only they do any work in Britain (work weekends? finish at 6pm? gosh) and on the scrounge for the next free day off they can get off in the name of we're-hard-done-by industrial action.

 

And the lad defending teachers posted a grammatical bombsite which is hardly a glowing endorsement of these working-till-six-in-the-evening superheroes, is it?

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Ponty isn't and doesn't want to be a teacher so is well within his rights to use "yeah", especially as we're on a forum here and no-one is teaching kids anything via Saints Web. Expecting people not to use the word "yeah" is a forlorn hope these days.

 

And I prefer to be more specific on the "enough..already" line - it's a lovely New York Jewish turn of phrase and I make no apologies for using it. It certainly isn't "wrong". That's the beauty of English - there's loads of it around, ever evolving, expanding, growing and even eating itself.

 

That's the kind of thing teachers should be inspiring our kids with instead of bellyaching about being asked to act like adults with a profession, whining about how only they do any work in Britain (work weekends? finish at 6pm? gosh) and on the scrounge for the next free day off they can get off in the name of we're-hard-done-by industrial action.

 

And the lad defending teachers posted a grammatical bombsite which is hardly a glowing endorsement of these working-till-six-in-the-evening superheroes, is it?

 

I'm working till 10pm for the majority of this week. Thats 8am -10pm, no overtime too unlike in the 'real world'... HTH

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It really is staggering the differences in opinion that teachers bring in different countries. My GF is a school teacher here (Ireland), starting salary of 41,000 euro's. It is a hugely respected profession, and as such produces one of the best education systems in the world.

 

On what criteria have you judged the Irish education system as being one of the best in the world?

 

My only experience of teaching children from Ireland (quite a few came over here to avoid being bombed, shot, etc.) was that there was an emphasis on neatness and learning by rote - e.g. they could all multiply, etc. but had little idea of why it produced the correct answer and were completely at sea when they had to apply this skill to solve a problem. I also saw evidence of this in children who had been educated in Australia, Malta and Barbados.

 

You may well be right but i would be interested to know whether your statement is based on factual evidence...

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I'm working till 10pm for the majority of this week. Thats 8am -10pm, no overtime too unlike in the 'real world'... HTH

 

 

Who the hell gets "overtime" apart from factory shift workers and people that work in a shop? Another teacher in zero knowlege of the real world and convinced, as ever, that no one has it as tough as them. Diddums.

 

I work from home and am at it all hours and dragged off round the country for god knows what. Workers in the private sector have it tens times harder than any teacher anywhere, not least because they aren't unionised to the eyeballs and have the cushiest pension this side of Fred Godwin.

 

I'm sure you'll get over it during your six weeks holiday next summer.

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Hahahahahahahaha!

 

Hahaha!

 

Oh my...

 

How will they EVER police this? Teaching is a job, it shouldn't dictate what we do in our spare time too. If this is passed I certainly won't be paying any attention to it. If some people don't have have the common sense to do things sensibly it shouldn't influence how I live my life.

 

edit- Turns out the original poster has vastly exaggerated the content of the document.

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http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

Have you actually read this document? I have just read it online and can find nothing that suggests not letting teachers into pubs. All I can see is some of perfectly reasonable regulations for ensuring the upkeep of professional standards.

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Who the hell gets "overtime" apart from factory shift workers and people that work in a shop? Another teacher in zero knowlege of the real world and convinced, as ever, that no one has it as tough as them. Diddums.

 

I work from home and am at it all hours and dragged off round the country for god knows what. Workers in the private sector have it tens times harder than any teacher anywhere, not least because they aren't unionised to the eyeballs and have the cushiest pension this side of Fred Godwin.

 

I'm sure you'll get over it during your six weeks holiday next summer.

 

My job as a teacher in FE also gives me enough time to run my own successful business. :D

 

How I laugh at you minions.

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I actually feel some sypathy for teachers and their working conditions. In very few other jobs would one receive so little respect from the people they work with day in, day out.

 

Respect is earnt and not given.

 

I'm sure that for all the bad teachers who have no respect there are just as many good teachers who are respected.

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One week at half term you uneducated mong.

 

And just to get on your nerves:

 

2 weeks at xmas.

 

Feb half term

 

2 weeks at Easter

 

May half term

 

6 weeks summer holidays.

 

Enjoy foaming at the mouth all day.

 

Is that it?!

 

You should work in a public school. We used to get 3 or 4 weeks at Easter and 8 or 9 in the summer. Lovely stuff.

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I actually feel some sypathy for teachers and their working conditions. In very few other jobs would one receive so little respect from the people they work with day in, day out.

 

 

That's not true IMHO.

 

Good teachers have plenty of respect from their students and that's true for compulsory and post 16, as well as adult (Many generic skills for all sectors as well as specialist for each)

 

Yes you have issue in compulsory (bottom set Y9 were always the worst) but it's offset by the upside.

 

Cr@p (lazy) teachers get no respect, especially from their peers. Some try hard but just haven't got it.

 

Like any job, you get out what you are prepared to put in.

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That's not true IMHO.

 

Good teachers have plenty of respect from their students and that's true for compulsory and post 16, as well as adult (Many generic skills for all sectors as well as specialist for each)

 

Yes you have issue in compulsory (bottom set Y9 were always the worst) but it's offset by the upside.

 

Cr@p (lazy) teachers get no respect, especially from their peers. Some try hard but just haven't got it.

 

Like any job, you get out what you are prepared to put in.

 

Where it's different (and this is only in my opinion) is that in most jobs you start off with the respect of your peers and then it's up to you to retain or even enhance it. With the kids you start at flat zero respect and you have to work hard to earn it. And kids can be cruel little swines when they put their minds to it.

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Not at all, Pancake, students are not likenable to customers in that sense. They're really the people you work with on a daily basis. Not inthe sense of colleagues but nor in the sense of customers either.

 

Indeed, businesses don't get their customers forced upon them and when they go missing, they don't get rounded up and forced to be a customer.

 

The concept of public services and customers is a contradiction in terms.

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Teachers moaning like the world owes them a living?

 

Hysterically overreacting to what would be perfectly normal requirement for any employee in any job, public or private sector anywhere in the country?

 

Griping and groaning despite being well paid, well holiday-ed and pensioned up to the eyeballs to a degree that most private sector workers could only dream of?

 

Convinced that they are the only people who have ever done a hard days work?

 

Shut up crying into your copy of the Guardian and get into the real world because you're all whining like sl ag s at the moment but you wait until Cameron and the boys in blue start work next summer.

 

You won't have it this good again, because they'll be stopping the union fuelled gravy train the public sector have been on since 97. Get ready to really have something to grizzle about.

nice one Mr Fry

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lets hope cameron comes to power as there will be big changes in the public sector (gravy train)

 

 

woohoo

 

 

That's right, cos in the public sector we all earn too much money and aren't accountable to anyone over how money is spent. And none of us have to take a second job to pay the rent. Cos we're all minted and always on holiday and bathing in champagne and laughing our nuts off at the idiot tax payers.

 

I already got the boot once, from the DWP, because of 'Whitehall cuts'. And I honestly only work in the public sector because i want to perform a useful function rather than make money for some qunt. Whoever it is you perceive to be on a 'gravy train' (and they almost certainly aren't), they're never going to be the ones hit by Davey C's reforms.

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