Teachers to 'stay out of pubs'

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

[Rattlehead]

I agree that teachers should stay out of pubs. Sets a bad example to kids etc...

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I agree that teachers should stay out of pubs. Sets a bad example to kids etc...

 

I can only hope you're trying to amnoy!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

Signed and local officers of other unions advised.

 

Next thing is they'll be telling Hospital staff never to smoke, bloody liberty, and that from an anti smoker!

[Deppo]

Does it apply to crack dens?

[View From The Top]

http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

The GTC have been a joke for a while.

 

In the adult ed' sector we have the IfL - http://www.ifl.ac.uk - which has a similar mandate.

[Johnny Bognor]

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

What the **** are school kids doing in the pubs in the first place. I know, let the kids in, but ban the teachers.

 

This is a prime example of why we live in a ****ed up country.

[Manuel]

It's pretty much the same sort of daft "policy" that your professional body feels it needs to have written down, as the result of endless meetings, drafts and amendments, which of course your membership fee pays for.

 

It doesn't mean don't go to pubs (unless it's one of those dodgy ones that I don't tell the missus about) so your thread title is misleading. It means act in a reasonable and relatively responsible manner, even when off duty because you're employed as a professional and with that comes responsibility to act as one. Most people can manage that. Don't worry I'm sure you can still have your pint.

[View From The Top]

It's pretty much the same sort of daft "policy" that your professional body feels it needs to have written down, as the result of endless meetings, drafts and amendments, which of course your membership fee pays for.

 

It doesn't mean don't go to pubs (unless it's one of those dodgy ones that I don't tell the missus about) so your thread title is misleading. It means act in a reasonable and relatively responsible manner, even when off duty because you're employed as a professional and with that comes responsibility to act as one. Most people can manage that. Don't worry I'm sure you can still have your pint.

 

Under the new rules you could be charged with bringing the profession into disripute if you were seen out drunk.

 

It's gone from being child protection centered to being daft.

 

Thankfully in FE world the rules are more grown up.

Edited 28 September, 2009 by View From The Top

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

It's pretty much the same sort of daft "policy" that your professional body feels it needs to have written down, as the result of endless meetings, drafts and amendments, which of course your membership fee pays for.

 

It doesn't mean don't go to pubs (unless it's one of those dodgy ones that I don't tell the missus about) so your thread title is misleading. It means act in a reasonable and relatively responsible manner, even when off duty because you're employed as a professional and with that comes responsibility to act as one. Most people can manage that. Don't worry I'm sure you can still have your pint.

 

See the above post. Furthermore, we HAVE to sign up to this, it is not voluntary. If you're not a member of the GTCE you cannot teach.

 

Also, why shouldn't I be allowed to get rat arsed on a Saturday night? Lawyers do it, Doctors do it, so why should be I 'banned'?

Edited 28 September, 2009 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[Manuel]

I didn't read that "you could be charged with bringing the profession into disrepute if you were seen out drunk" or anything like that in the document, although I did only scan it, so apologies if I missed it.

 

It is common place for profession that you are a member of the professional body, or you can not practise. A section of their you must abide by their code of conduct. You proclaim you HAVE to sign up to this. Well yes, your professional body sets out the rules within which you must practice, they are mandatory, this is usual. Part of those rules will be a code of conduct.

 

I don't see it written that you can't get rat arsed, just the usual patter about acting responsibly and reasonably and not bringing your profession into disrepute, hardly petition worthy, in my opinion.

[equalizer]

They always seem to be in the pub on teacher training days, I've noticed!

[Ponty]

I didn't read that "you could be charged with bringing the profession into disrepute if you were seen out drunk" or anything like that in the document, although I did only scan it, so apologies if I missed it.

 

It is common place for profession that you are a member of the professional body, or you can not practise. A section of their you must abide by their code of conduct. You proclaim you HAVE to sign up to this. Well yes, your professional body sets out the rules within which you must practice, they are mandatory, this is usual. Part of those rules will be a code of conduct.

 

I don't see it written that you can't get rat arsed, just the usual patter about acting responsibly and reasonably and not bringing your profession into disrepute, hardly petition worthy, in my opinion.

 

You make it sound like teachers are starting a petition pro getting rat-arsed and bringing the profession into disrepute.

[Manuel]

Now that's one I would sign.

[Johnny Bognor]

They always seem to be in the pub on teacher training days, I've noticed!

 

 

Ah, the old "I'm Not Sober Especially Today" teacher training jolly.

[Hatch]

746 pubs a week are closing down because of this type of mandate. Pubs need every penny they can get.

[Special K]

http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

Stop being so precious. "Infringement of human right"? What a load of old pony. It's just a standard code of conduct for members. And it doesn't say you can't have a drink, so don't exaggerate so you have nothing to worry about unless you go to pubs solely to get completely crap-in-your-pants bladdered? It's no different to what most professional bodies expect of their members, and i should know as i was thrown out of one!

[sotonjoe]

If we can excuse the OP's rather hysterical tone, we should perhaps acknowledge that this sort of rule does pave the way for test cases in which being drunk can be seen as bringing the profession into disrepute. Any code of conduct which doesn't quantify exactly what sort of behaviour does / doesn't count as bringing the profession into disrepute needs to be treated with caution.

[Draino76]

If I were a school kid, I would not want to go to a pub where my teachers drink. If I were a teacher, I would not want to be seen dead drinking with my pupils unless I wanted to sex them.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Stop being so precious. "Infringement of human right"? What a load of old pony. It's just a standard code of conduct for members. And it doesn't say you can't have a drink, so don't exaggerate so you have nothing to worry about unless you go to pubs solely to get completely crap-in-your-pants bladdered? It's no different to what most professional bodies expect of their members, and i should know as i was thrown out of one!

 

Black balled do you mean?

[Post-it note]

Its illegal to be drunk in a public bar or club anyway, so your professional body is merely asking you to comply with the law.

 

Stop overeacting, just go out and enjoy a pint with out getting ****ed up.

[bungle]

746 pubs a week are closing down because of this type of mandate. Pubs need every penny they can get.

 

Probably the best reason to support the petition, IMO.

[norwaysaint]

Anybody who has signed this without reading the actual proposal first is an idiot. The OP should have put a link to it here, if they want to be taken seriously.

[Patrick Bateman]

http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/SelectSurveyNET/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=74KJ3m2

 

Please sign this petition to stop the GTCE passing a new Code of Conduct and Practice for teachers. This will mean we will have to basically refrain from going to the pub as it states we should be role models at all times, even when 'off duty'. Quite frankly, pathetic from the GTCE.

 

Signed.

[Rattlehead]

Also, why shouldn't I be allowed to get rat arsed on a Saturday night? Lawyers do it, Doctors do it, so why should be I 'banned'?

 

Because you're a teacher and you should set an example to our precious little children. If you were a true professional you wouldn't need to be told to steer clear of pubs.

 

Quite frankly, one has to wonder how seriously you take your job.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Because you're a teacher and you should set an example to our precious little children. If you were a true professional you wouldn't need to be told to steer clear of pubs.

 

Quite frankly, one has to wonder how seriously you take your job.

 

I miss that rollyeye emoticon, that would come in handy right now.

 

I know I shouldn't bite, but I'm going to anyway: What about Policemen/Policewomen? Shouldn't they be setting an example as well? You can better your last pound that the majority of them go out on the weekend and drink their wages away...

 

Yes I'm a teacher and I should set an example to children DURING THE WORKING WEEK, but at the weekend or during school holidays pupils are not my responsibility as far as I am concerned and I can do as I like, within the law obviously.

[Pancake]

Yes I'm a teacher and I should set an example to children DURING THE WORKING WEEK, but at the weekend or during school holidays pupils are not my responsibility as far as I am concerned and I can do as I like, within the law obviously.

 

Cool, so that means you wont be drunk in a public bar, or in a public place then. Problem solved!

[Rattlehead]

Children don't stop being children at weekends or during school holidays. They look up to you and you need to set an example at all times.

Furthermore, I don't think it should apply to anybody other than teachers. You get more holidays than anyone else and knock off at 3.30pm every day of the few you work, surely it's not too much to ask to stay sober all the time.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Children don't stop being children at weekends or during school holidays. They look up to you and you need to set an example at all times.

Furthermore, I don't think it should apply to anybody other than teachers. You get more holidays than anyone else and knock off at 3.30pm every day of the few you work, surely it's not too much to ask to stay sober all the time.

 

OK love.

[View From The Top]

Children don't stop being children at weekends or during school holidays. They look up to you and you need to set an example at all times.

Furthermore, I don't think it should apply to anybody other than teachers. You get more holidays than anyone else and knock off at 3.30pm every day of the few you work, surely it's not too much to ask to stay sober all the time.

 

Oh yeah. :cool:

 

Gives me time to run a business as well*. :smt036

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except Tuesdays when I teach until 21.00.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Well said VFTT. It really gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, you're SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

 

I tell you what Rattlehead, you spend a year in teaching and see what you think then. I have no problem with the work load I have or the hours I work as that is what I have signed up to doing and what I have wanted to do since I was a nipper. I hate to be stereotypical moaning teacher, but what I cannot stand is people who have NO IDEA spouting off their Daily Mail and Daily Express agenda clap-trap with no knowledge of the facts. All I ask for is some recognition of the work I put in, which I think is a reasonable request such as it is in any other job, and if the recognition for my hard work is being told by MY governing body that I can't get p!ssed at a Saints game (when they should be lobbying on more important matters) anymore than I am in the wrong job.

Edited 29 September, 2009 by Thorpe-le-Saint

[benjii]

Anybody who has signed this without reading the actual proposal first is an idiot. The OP should have put a link to it here, if they want to be taken seriously.

 

Correct.

[Ponty]

Well said VFTT. It erally gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, your SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

Perhaps they'll rely on the good people of the community to grass anonymously.

[Pancake]

but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models.

 

Do they? Thats a bit ****, I blame the teachers for that.

[benjii]

Well said VFTT. It erally gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, your SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

 

Do you not think teachers should aspire to be role models? Maybe challenge their pupils' attitudes?

 

I'm not blaming the teachers, it's an easy career to get into and is reasonably well paid for the level of ability required, so no doubt some couldn't care less. That's a systemic failure, not necessarily their own.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Do you not think teachers should aspire to be role models? Maybe challenge their pupils' attitudes?

 

I'm not blaming the teachers, it's an easy career to get into and is reasonably well paid for the level of ability required, so no doubt some couldn't care less. That's a systemic failure, not necessarily their own.

 

 

All teachers are educated to at least degree level in their chosen subject and have to at least scored a 2:1 (at least where I work) so I fail to see your point...

 

Of course I think teachers should aspire to be positive role models, but not on our days off! As far as I'm concerned, our responsibility for our pupils ends (unless we are on a school trip) on Friday when the bell rings for the end of the day. It is the same for other professionals as far as I see it, I still don't understand why we should be any different. If we are doing our job well during the week and being positive role models then frankly, what does it matter what we do at the weekends?

 

As for changing attitudes, I don't go straight into my Year 10 class on a Monday morning and start telling them about my exploits over the weekend for example. I don't glorify drinking...now THAT would be unprofessional, but I'm sorry, if pupils are not seeing you when you are drunk then what difference does it make?

[benjii]

All teachers are educated to at least degree level in their chosen subject and have to at least scored a 2:1 (at least where I work) so I fail to see your point...

 

Of course I think teachers should aspire to be positive role models, but not on our days off! As far as I'm concerned, our responsibility for our pupils ends (unless we are on a school trip) on Friday when the bell rings for the end of the day. It is the same for other professionals as far as I see it, I still don't understand why we should be any different. If we are doing our job well during the week and being positive role models then frankly, what does it matter what we do at the weekends?

 

As for changing attitudes, I don't go straight into my Year 10 class on a Monday morning and start telling them about my exploits over the weekend for example. I don't glorify drinking...now THAT would be unprofessional, but I'm sorry, if pupils are not seeing you when you are drunk then what difference does it make?

 

What a bunch of nonsense. Yes, your direct responsibility (in a legal sense) for your pupils ends at home-time on a Friday but your duty to act in such a way as to uphold the professional image of teaching and teachers is continuous. This is the same as any other profession. Does that mean that doctors/lawyers/policeman don't go out and get smashed and do bad things sometimes at the weekend? No, of course it doesn't, but they recognise that there are additional consequences if they get caught so doing as a result of the obligations placed on them by their professional duties.

 

No one is asking you to adhere to a curfew. No one is asking you to wear a tag. No one is saying, "don't go to the pub". What they are saying is, "please take your professional responsibilities seriously and realise that peoples' perceptions of you are not shaped solely by what you do between 08:45-15:00 (or whatever)".

 

[NB - the above paragraph is entire conjecture as I have no idea what the code says.]

 

As to my point about it being an easy profession to get into, I know some right thickos who are teachers. Bog average school results, bog average degree from poor "university", job for life.

 

Compare that to other "professions" (medicine, law etc) and you will see the difference in entry level requirements.

[Patrick Bateman]

Do you not think teachers should aspire to be role models? Maybe challenge their pupils' attitudes?

 

I'm not blaming the teachers, it's an easy career to get into and is reasonably well paid for the level of ability required, so no doubt some couldn't care less. That's a systemic failure, not necessarily their own.

 

LOL!

 

What a ridiculous set of statements. 4 years training (a 3 year degree + 1 year PGCE or a 4 year B.Ed.), you have to actually pass all your years, plus each of your training placements in schools. Remember how much you (no doubt, as everyone did) ripped in to student teachers at your school?

 

You have to (generally) prove why you want to be a teacher, why you'd be good and are constantly assessed by OFSTED / other teachers / your management / governors etc etc.

 

Pay? A newly qualified teacher starts on around £20k (I think, not sure how much it is currently, but it's around that figure) at the age of 22. I'd suggest that's not great pay. Particularly given the long working days (generally in at 7.30am and unable to leave before 5pm due to staff meetings, parent meetings, writing up lesson plans, creating tasks for the children, tidying, etc etc etc) and then having to work at home most evenings and in the weekends. The holidays are great, sure, but they don't make up for the term time longer hours, plus also, a vast portion of the holidays are spent by most good teachers working / markig / preparing / planning.

 

Having been married to a teacher for 10 years and now have another teacher as my gf (I didn't plan that!!!!), I know just how much "sh*t" they have to put up with!!

[Special K]

Well said VFTT. It really gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, you're SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

 

I tell you what Rattlehead, you spend a year in teaching and see what you think then. I have no problem with the work load I have or the hours I work as that is what I have signed up to doing and what I have wanted to do since I was a nipper. I hate to be stereotypical moaning teacher, but what I cannot stand is people who have NO IDEA spouting off their Daily Mail and Daily Express agenda clap-trap with no knowledge of the facts. All I ask for is some recognition of the work I put in, which I think is a reasonable request such as it is in any other job, and if the recognition for my hard work is being told by MY governing body that I can't get p!ssed at a Saints game (when they should be lobbying on more important matters) anymore than I am in the wrong job.

 

Can you let me know what school you teach at? It's only so i can send my kids elsewhere so the poor nippers don't end up getting taught by neurotic, fragile, insipid teachers with chips on their shoulders that extend all the way down to the elbow patches on their dogtooth jackets. FFS, grow a pair. If you really consider leaving a profession because of some bizarre self generated notion you will be struck off for having a few drinks, then perhaps you really are in the wrong job.

[South Londoner]

Having worked in the Education Personnel Department of a local authority in South London, I am amazed that teachers tolerate the amount of cr*p, in terms of the mountains of regulations, instructions, guidelines etc, that this government seems hell bent on producing. They really do want to dictate what should happen for every minute of every school day.

 

We were responsible for providing weekly bulletins of these updates for the 90 odd schools in the Borough and frequently these would run to over a 100 pages and as I said, that was weekly.

[Rattlehead]

Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends.

 

In that case, it sounds like you haven't got time to be boozing anyway. So what's the problem?

 

I tell you what Rattlehead, you spend a year in teaching and see what you think then.

 

No thanks, there's a school of thought that those who "can" "do" and those who "can't" "teach", plus I like boozing too much. That's why I chose a different career path.

[Weston Super Saint]

Well said VFTT. It really gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, you're SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

 

So, why the hell are you moaning?

 

All this time spent at work surely can't leave much left for breaking the law and being drunk in a public place anyway :smt102

[dune]

Teachers are losers in life. If they were as smart as they think they are they'd have used their qualifications to get a proper job. It's ironic that such underachievers are the people teaching future generations.

[View From The Top]

Teachers are losers in life. If they were as smart as they think they are they'd have used their qualifications to get a proper job. It's ironic that such underachievers are the people teaching future generations.

 

Gutted that I earn shi t loads and have mucho holiday per year.

 

Enough holiday that I get to run my own successful business which brings in even more dosh.

 

And I do it by not teaching kids.

 

Really thick me.

 

Still, I could have followed your career path in fast food.

[CB Fry]

Teachers moaning like the world owes them a living?

 

Hysterically overreacting to what would be perfectly normal requirement for any employee in any job, public or private sector anywhere in the country?

 

Griping and groaning despite being well paid, well holiday-ed and pensioned up to the eyeballs to a degree that most private sector workers could only dream of?

 

Convinced that they are the only people who have ever done a hard days work?

 

Shut up crying into your copy of the Guardian and get into the real world because you're all whining like sl ag s at the moment but you wait until Cameron and the boys in blue start work next summer.

 

You won't have it this good again, because they'll be stopping the union fuelled gravy train the public sector have been on since 97. Get ready to really have something to grizzle about.

[Manuel]

Let's not bring The Guardian into this.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Children don't stop being children at weekends or during school holidays. They look up to you and you need to set an example at all times.

Furthermore, I don't think it should apply to anybody other than teachers. You get more holidays than anyone else and knock off at 3.30pm every day of the few you work, surely it's not too much to ask to stay sober all the time.

 

A rather quaint, hackneyed and totally out of date conception of how teachers work.

 

Could you tell me how all the work, homework tasks etc for the syllabus are put together? They don't just come prepackaged for 'good old lazy bones teachers' to distribute you know!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Well said VFTT. It really gets on my nerves when people say this about teaching. Hardly any teachers go home at 3.30, there is too much planning/too many meetings/too many resources that need creating for that. Then we get home at 7pm, we have to mark books/coursework/homework.

 

The few days we work?? Give it a rest, we work Monday-Friday and we're ALWAYS doing work at the weekends. Also, please remember, teachers have not demanded this holiday, it is done for the benefit of the pupils, not us.

 

Plus, you're SERIOUSLY deluded if you think ALL children look up to teachers as role models. Perhaps some do, but the majority see people like Katie Price and Peter Andre as role models. Regardless, even if the GTCE pass this stupid resolution, how are they to enforce it?

 

I tell you what Rattlehead, you spend a year in teaching and see what you think then. I have no problem with the work load I have or the hours I work as that is what I have signed up to doing and what I have wanted to do since I was a nipper. I hate to be stereotypical moaning teacher, but what I cannot stand is people who have NO IDEA spouting off their Daily Mail and Daily Express agenda clap-trap with no knowledge of the facts. All I ask for is some recognition of the work I put in, which I think is a reasonable request such as it is in any other job, and if the recognition for my hard work is being told by MY governing body that I can't get p!ssed at a Saints game (when they should be lobbying on more important matters) anymore than I am in the wrong job.

 

Can you let me know what school you teach at? It's only so i can send my kids elsewhere so the poor nippers don't end up getting taught by neurotic, fragile, insipid teachers with chips on their shoulders that extend all the way down to the elbow patches on their dogtooth jackets. FFS, grow a pair. If you really consider leaving a profession because of some bizarre self generated notion you will be struck off for having a few drinks, then perhaps you really are in the wrong job.

 

I'd be more worried for your kids with a neurotic, fragile, insipid parent who obviously can't see this as the thin end of the wedge in an effort to control all workers eventually!

 

They introduced licensing hours in the first world war to control the antics of the drinking populace, a fair reason, but they were only relaxed a few years ago! If this comes to pass I wonder how long before it's being enforced and introduced to other occupations. Aren't the vast majority of us sensible anyway with drink?

 

What subject will be next?

 

How about you grow a pair and think about the gradual erosion of civil liberties which may, at some stage, affect you?

[CB Fry]

I'd be more worried for your kids with a neurotic, fragile, insipid parent who obviously can't see this as the thin end of the wedge in an effort to control all workers eventually!

 

They introduced licensing hours in the first world war to control the antics of the drinking populace, a fair reason, but they were only relaxed a few years ago! If this comes to pass I wonder how long before it's being enforced and introduced to other occupations. Aren't the vast majority of us sensible anyway with drink?

 

What subject will be next?

 

How about you grow a pair and think about the gradual erosion of civil liberties which may, at some stage, affect you?

 

 

What a load of old guff. You can get hammered more easily in the UK in 2009 than at any other point in history. Have you been in an Asda or any high street in Britain recently?

 

"Thin end of the wedge" type rants are delivered by people with no perspective whatsoever.

 

"Control all workers". Right you are, Wolfie.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

What a load of old guff. You can get hammered more easily in the UK in 2009 than at any other point in history. Have you been in an Asda or any high street in Britain recently?

 

"Thin end of the wedge" type rants are delivered by people with no perspective whatsoever.

 

"Control all workers". Right you are, Wolfie.

 

Ok Thatcher.