Remain or Resign ?

[Saint in Paradise]

Although of course this matter doesn't affect me in NZ I wonder what you all think ?

 

"The former housekeeper to Attorney General Baroness Scotland has claimed the peer never

asked to see her passport before giving her a job."

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8276954.stm

 

:smt070

[Gingeletiss]

She should go..............others have been punished for self same offence, and she must be seen to be correct in all she does. In this case she wasn't..........and it's the same old MP mantra....'I made an honest mistake'....Bullsh1t.

 

Sack her.

[Hatch]

She has to go. No question.

[Johnny Bognor]

It's not good when the law maker becomes the law breaker....she has to go for that alone. Business owners who don't follow the rules will get punished, so why shouldn't the politicians.

 

If she didn't look at the passport, as it is now claimed, it is not an honest mistake and she is clearly negligent. What's more she is lying about it.

 

This was not the best peice of legislation in the first place, because the govt are expecting Britains business owners to clear up their immigration mess. If the illegals were not here in the first place, there would be no need to check their documents.

 

Instead of concentrating on getting Britain out of recession, we have to concentrate on checking the documents of people who shouldn't be here.

 

Yep, she should be fired with a capital F

[bridge too far]

It's not good when the law maker becomes the law breaker....she has to go for that alone. Business owners who don't follow the rules will get punished, so why shouldn't the politicians.

 

If she didn't look at the passport, as it is now claimed, it is not an honest mistake and she is clearly negligent. What's more she is lying about it.

 

This was not the best peice of legislation in the first place, because the govt are expecting Britains business owners to clear up their immigration mess. If the illegals were not here in the first place, there would be no need to check their documents.

 

Instead of concentrating on getting Britain out of recession, we have to concentrate on checking the documents of people who shouldn't be here.

 

Yep, she should be fired with a capital F

 

Two out of four documents are supposed to be seen. She saw two out of four.

 

I'm not defending her here. A parallel example would be to fire a Chief Constable for speeding IMO. Both are civil offences and people don't usually lose their jobs for civil offences.

[Johnny Bognor]

Two out of four documents are supposed to be seen. She saw two out of four.

 

I'm not defending her here. A parallel example would be to fire a Chief Constable for speeding IMO. Both are civil offences and people don't usually lose their jobs for civil offences.

 

 

But she stated that she saw the passport and it is now claimed she didn't see it. If she is lying, then she has to go.

[bridge too far]

But she stated that she saw the passport and it is now claimed she didn't see it. If she is lying, then she has to go.

 

By the woman who has lost her job and who is now being paid a tidy sum by the Daily Mail.

 

She can say that with impunity, knowing now that Baroness Scotland (or, more probably, her PA) didn't copy any documents.

 

I'm pleased, however, that the rabid right wing hasn't had a pop at the victim in all this.

[Johnny Bognor]

By the woman who has lost her job and who is now being paid a tidy sum by the Daily Mail.

 

She can say that with impunity, knowing now that Baroness Scotland (or, more probably, her PA) didn't copy any documents.

 

I'm pleased, however, that the rabid right wing hasn't had a pop at the victim in all this.

 

She made that law so for her to 'claim' that it was an error is complete bull. She knew what she was required to do - if she didn't know, then she should be fired as another one in a line of incompetent ministers. If she did know and chose to ignore what was required, then she should be fired either way.

 

Had a tory made a law then broke that subsequent law you would be calling for his/her head. But it's OK when a leftie lies, cheats or breaks the rules.

 

...and as I have said, if Labour hadn't completely failed with their immigration policy (or complete lack of it) there wouldn't be any need for such a law (and perhaps the BNP would still be a back street party).

 

GO Labour! (by that I mean go away and don't come back)

[View From The Top]

She should have resigned, it was the correct thing to do.

 

With the election about 8 months away it's going to be interesting to see how citizen Dave and the other toffs stand up to increased scrutiny about their empathy with the ordinary working man.

 

The only politican worth listening to is Vince Cable so my vote will go to his party, unless Labour taken a large turn left.

[bridge too far]

She should have resigned, it was the correct thing to do.

 

With the election about 8 months away it's going to be interesting to see how citizen Dave and the other toffs stand up to increased scrutiny about their empathy with the ordinary working man.

 

The only politican worth listening to is Vince Cable so my vote will go to his party, unless Labour taken a large turn left.

 

They''ve been remarkably quiet about this case though. Interesting......

[John B]

Vince Cable may be OK compared with that guy Osbourne but who are the rest?

Edited 27 September, 2009 by John B

[bridge too far]

Vince Cable may be OK but who are the rest?

 

I agree about Vince Cable - I think he's excellent.

 

However, his party has no real direction and can't agree on basic policy issues e.g. tuition fees, higher council taxes on very expensive property.

 

In the past, they always sat on the fence and climbed on bandwagons. I don't think they've changed that much.

[Deano6]

Really? For real? Is this what passes for news these days? Get a grip people!

[Johnny Bognor]

unless Labour taken a large turn left.

 

THey may well do this after the election. Political parties tend to go back to their heartlands after defeat. The Tories did that after they got booted out and it made them unelectable for years.

 

If Labour go to the left, it will make them unelectable for years.

[bridge too far]

THey may well do this after the election. Political parties tend to go back to their heartlands after defeat. The Tories did that after they got booted out and it made them unelectable for years.

 

If Labour go to the left, it will make them unelectable for years.

 

:confused:

 

But JB - you're always saying that 'Nu Labour' are socialist and people who support them are 'loony lefties'.

 

Are you now saying that the Labour Party isn't 'left' after all?

[View From The Top]

THey may well do this after the election. Political parties tend to go back to their heartlands after defeat. The Tories did that after they got booted out and it made them unelectable for years.

 

If Labour go to the left, it will make them unelectable for years.

 

As a Tory-Lite party they've made themselves unelectable.

 

I'd settle for centre left at the moment!

 

The current government have clearly run out of ideas after a long run, but unlike 97 the shadow front bench look anything but a government in waiting and that's a real worry.

[Johnny Bognor]

:confused:

 

But JB - you're always saying that 'Nu Labour' are socialist and people who support them are 'loony lefties'.

 

Are you now saying that the Labour Party isn't 'left' after all?

 

They were a socialist party once upon a time, but socialism died when the wall came down. In 1997, the lefties and 'cool brittania' middle classes put them in power. Ironically Blair was one of the best tory prime ministers for years. Yet, despite this, the lefties kept him and continue to keep 'their' party in power. Most bizarre if you ask me. I suppose people and their principles are soon parted.

 

Having said this, there are still many lefties within the labour party (without the baggage of their principles) and so Labour still are the party of the socialist, even if their policies aren't really socialist - they are more liberal lefties who couldn't run a **** up in a brewery.

[badgerx16]

Never yet met a politician I could trust, and I work for them.

[bridge too far]

They were a socialist party once upon a time, but socialism died when the wall came down. In 1997, the lefties and 'cool brittania' middle classes put them in power. Ironically Blair was one of the best tory prime ministers for years. Yet, despite this, the lefties kept him and continue to keep 'their' party in power. Most bizarre if you ask me. I suppose people and their principles are soon parted.

 

Having said this, there are still many lefties within the labour party (without the baggage of their principles) and so Labour still are the party of the socialist, even if their policies aren't really socialist - they are more liberal lefties who couldn't run a **** up in a brewery.

 

It's called pragmatism. The alternative is just too awful to contemplate.

[View From The Top]

They were a socialist party once upon a time, but socialism died when the wall came down. In 1997, the lefties and 'cool brittania' middle classes put them in power. Ironically Blair was one of the best tory prime ministers for years. Yet, despite this, the lefties kept him and continue to keep 'their' party in power. Most bizarre if you ask me. I suppose people and their principles are soon parted.

 

Having said this, there are still many lefties within the labour party (without the baggage of their principles) and so Labour still are the party of the socialist, even if their policies aren't really socialist - they are more liberal lefties who couldn't run a **** up in a brewery.

 

You're clearly a bright fella so my do you write as if you're a total ****?

Edited 27 September, 2009 by View From The Top

[hamster]

Never yet met a politician I could trust, and I work for them.

 

Corection badge, they all work for US, and they seem to forget that far too often imho.

[badgerx16]

Corection badge, they all work for US, and they seem to forget that far too often imho.

I suppose, as I am paid out of tax revenues, I may actually be partially self employed :cool:

[Johnny Bognor]

You're clearly a bright fella so my do you right as if you're a total ****?

 

Are you referring to my spelling and grammar?

If so, I tend to write whilst foaming at the mouth to score points over people on the Internet. I would never get away with this in the real world.

 

Or are you referring to the content?

I am for common sense politics on the whole, but can't resist jabbing the lefties with a metaphoric fork now and again. I guess I can be a little matter of fact and that probably makes me look a ****. I am more of an anti-leftie than someone of a right persuasion. Don't ask me why, just the way I'm made.

[View From The Top]

Or are you referring to the content?

I am for common sense politics on the whole, but can't resist jabbing the lefties with a metaphoric fork now and again. I guess I can be a little matter of fact and that probably makes me look a ****. I am more of an anti-leftie than someone of a right persuasion. Don't ask me why, just the way I'm made.

 

 

No, it's not matter of fact, it's childish and makes you look a tw*t.

 

Argue a standpoint by all means but purile, childlike jibes just make you look like a tool to rank alongside Wiltshire Stain amongst others.

[hamster]

Are you referring to my spelling and grammar?

If so, I tend to write whilst foaming at the mouth to score points over people on the Internet. I would never get away with this in the real world.

 

Or are you referring to the content?

I am for common sense politics on the whole, but can't resist jabbing the lefties with a metaphoric fork now and again. I guess I can be a little matter of fact and that probably makes me look a ****. I am more of an anti-leftie than someone of a right persuasion. Don't ask me why, just the way I'm made.

 

Ironically (?), in a conflict at the times when pitchforks were the weapon of choice, it would have been your employees with the pitchforks. You would have perhaps had a blumderbuss if you were anywhere near the fray Johnny.

 

:-)

 

And amongst those pitchfork weilding oiks, might well have been the great man himself Wat Tyler. You'd have liked him.

Edited 27 September, 2009 by hamster
forgot smiley

[Johnny Bognor]

No, it's not matter of fact, it's childish and makes you look a tw*t.

 

But amoungst the purile, childlike jibes I always do try to make a valid point.

 

For me, I couldn't give two monkies about the baroness as it happens. The issue for me which I alluded to earlier and no one seems to be able to answer, is why are employers having to sort out the mess created by a failure of govt, a failure of UK border controls and a failure of UK immigration?

 

What's more, not only do employers have to do their jobs for them and police immigration from the inside, they'll be penalised if they get it wrong. That can't be right, can it?

 

Why didn't they just fine the border control/immigration staff £5k for every illegal that slipped through the net? (or is that just being purile and childlike?)

[hamster]

I overheard a strange conversation the other week, in my local.

 

I overheard a chap recruiting a bloke for leaflet delivering. He was showing him a route map, telling him how it was 'easy money', and giving the odd ;-) , which I took to mean that deductions from wages may not necessarily apply.

 

I chatted about this with mrs h and we were in agreement (perhaps wrongly) that it is the way of the world, and nothing too sinister.

 

I was having my glass refreshed a while later when I heard the followong statement (by the way, this is 100% true, hamster's honour):

"Last year, I had 15 blokes on the job, 13 of 'em Poles, hard working and reliable"

"This year though, this year I ain't got none of 'em; there's a recession going on and you gotta look after your own ain't ya?"

 

 

I was in two minds whether to pull him up on the double negative, but mrs h said best not to get involved, althoguh the extra cash would come in handy.

 

I'd be interested to know which people think the wrongest of the two, black market Polish workers or black market English workers?

 

She starts next Wednesday btw (not really).