John B Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Thanks for the somewhat tedious lecture. I will pass it on to the driver. I was just a passenger - a fact that you seem to like to overlook. FWIW I personally don't feel comfortable with driving over 100mph myself. When someone else is driving, there are some that I feel perfectly safe with at high speed, and others I feel terrified with at relatively low speed - regardless of the speed limit. The police are taught to drive safely at very high speed. Safety is about the skill of the driver, not the speed limit of the road. You don't know the credentials of the driver in this case do you? 100 mph is against the law and potenially dangerous. Prats like you who condone that sort of irresposible behavior and brag about should be banned from driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 We went past your 3 (2 yellow and a white) coaches, just outside Carlisle about 14.10. What time did you lot get back to Soton? About midnight! I then had to drive back to Farnham,so was home at about 1250! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2009 About midnight! I then had to drive back to Farnham,so was home at about 1250! You lot deserve a medal! I thought it was a long haul from South Staffordshire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 100 mph is against the law and potenially dangerous. Prats like you who condone that sort of irresposible behavior and brag about should be banned from driving And you should learn to read, or take a course in English comprehension. It must be comforting to sit on your high horse spouting vitriol. I am sure you have never broken a 30mph speed limit have you? - an offense more likely to cause serious/fatal injuries than travelling at high speed on a motorway. The Germans aren't completely stupid. Do you comprehend the word "Sanctimonious"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I know people who have been hospitalised by old people who don't pay attention when driving. Speed doesn't kill. Incompetent drivers kill. Speed kills when used at the wrong time in the wrong place ,or in the wrong conditions. Obviously driver skill comes into this equation. I am a retired police driver,so have been trained in advanced driving,so I think I can comment. It is very rarely a good idea to drive at these sort of speeds on a busy motorway,as other traffic is unaware of the speed of approaching cars from behind. Only if you have been trained to do so safely,then you are relatively safe to do so. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Speed kills when used at the wrong time in the wrong place ,or in the wrong conditions. Obviously driver skill comes into this equation. I am a retired police driver,so have been trained in advanced driving,so I think I can comment. It is very rarely a good idea to drive at these sort of speeds on a busy motorway,as other traffic is unaware of the speed of approaching cars from behind. Only if you have been trained to do so safely,then you are relatively safe to do so. IMOAgreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bath Saint Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I know people who have been hospitalised by old people who don't pay attention when driving. Speed doesn't kill. Incompetent drivers kill. I fought in the war for you, sonny jim. This is what the country is coming to, with people like William tearing up the road causing accidents by driving at ludicrous speeds. And no one has any respect for the elders any more. I'll have you know my great grandson is totally different from you. He is a nice lad who looks after us older folk. He doesn't cause accidents. And now some young tearaway like you, driving too fast, has put the poor kid into hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 (edited) I'll have you know my great grandson is totally different from you. He is a nice lad who looks after us older folk. He doesn't cause accidents. And now some young tearaway like you, driving too fast, has put the poor kid into hospital.That is very sad to hear that news about your great grandson, and it is understandable that you should feel bitter about the circumstances. However, you ought to be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush. Breaking the speed limit is unlawful, but even the safest most law abiding driver does sometimes (if unwittingly) break the speed limit on our roads. It is possible that your great grandson suffered at the hands of someone that was driving with undue care and attention (or downright recklessly) as well as being over the speed limit. St Will doesn't know you, or how old you are, or the fact that you fought in the war. You cannot really accuse him of lacking respect for his elders, or not being "a nice lad" based on some posting on an internet forum speculating about whether or not it is possible to drive safely at high speeds - can you? EDIT: I though about deleting this and pretending that I was not a gullible prat, but what the heck :-) Edited 27 September, 2009 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I fought in the war for you, sonny jim. This is what the country is coming to, with people like William tearing up the road causing accidents by driving at ludicrous speeds. And no one has any respect for the elders any more. I'll have you know my great grandson is totally different from you. He is a nice lad who looks after us older folk. He doesn't cause accidents. And now some young tearaway like you, driving too fast, has put the poor kid into hospital. Nice attempted wind up. I'm sure Wiltshire, Atticus and the other gimps are all giggling on MSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I don't believe St Will drives at these speeds at all, it's just bravado. It's very difficult to take anything he says seriously after all the Tiger Woods nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Nice attempted wind up. I'm sure Wiltshire, Atticus and the other gimps are all giggling on MSN......and I took the bait - it hook, line and sinker Better get off the PC and do something useful with my Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Still go the problem of lack of pace going forward and a general cutting edge in the last third, we're struggled to create decent chances against two fairly poor sides in the last two weeks. Still another game unbeaten and another point picked up on our travels. Decent support and a good day out, thank **** I didn't leave early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 It's worth remembering when tempted to drive really fast the only thing between you and your maker is rubber and air. A blow out of a front tyre is instant carnage. If you aren't the only one to drive the car you don't know how many times it's hit the kerb. Just a thought. As somebody who spent nine years taking off on 186 ton aircraft with an decision speed up round 200mph and the end of the runway coming up fast, knowing everything hinged on rubber and nitrogen concentrated the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 It's the first time i've ever done it. Never again! I hed resigned myself to the loss, I couldn't see us scoring. About time we showed this trait for late goals! An extremely good sign! My one and only time was at home to Pompey when I knew they were going to close Brittania Road, police still wouldn't let me up there anyway, then huddled around mates radio as Crouch put the pen away. Never again, never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 (edited) They manage in Germany with no speed limits on the Autobahns. Not exactly true, though, is it ? http://driving.drive-alive.co.uk/driving-in-germany.htm "Although the autobahns in Germany are not subject to an overall speed limit (the blue speed limit signs, usually showing 130, are suggested maximum speeds), many stretches of autobahn are covered by signed speed limits, which are mostly closely observed by the Germans." And remember, that 130 is KmPH, so 80 MPH, and even where the limit is only 'advisory', if you exceed it and are involved in an accident, you are always taken as being at least partly to blame. Also, the death rate per million motorway miles is twice as high in Germany as the UK. Edited 27 September, 2009 by badgerx16 Added speed conversion and other snippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 It's worth remembering when tempted to drive really fast the only thing between you and your maker is rubber and air. A blow out of a front tyre is instant carnage. If you aren't the only one to drive the car you don't know how many times it's hit the kerb. Just a thought. As somebody who spent nine years taking off on 186 ton aircraft with an decision speed up round 200mph and the end of the runway coming up fast, knowing everything hinged on rubber and nitrogen concentrated the mind.Strange you should say that, because I did keep thinking "I hope the tyres are in good nick".....then again, a front tyre blow out isn't going to be fun at 70mph either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Driving through Tyldesley this morning I was approaching a set of traffic lights which went to green just as I was expecting to slow down for them, so on I went. They must have been on green for about 5 or 6 seconds by the time I reached them, at which point a merc came across my bow from the junction on the left, - must have been a good 10 seconds after his lights went red, and I didn't see him until he entered the 'box'. If I had been 1 second further up the road, 1 mph faster, or hadn't just 'blipped' my brakes as I approached the junction, he would have hit me right in the front passenger side and parked in my wife's seat. The faster you drive, the greater your thinking and stopping distances, and you can never expect to anticipate all the bl00dy stupid things the other drivers might do, ( let alone them not realising exactly how quickly the object in their mirror is closing with them ). It doesn't matter how good you or your car are, speed is dangerous because you are NEVER in complete control of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 It is perfectly safe to drive at 100 in the right conditions as long as you are paying attention. It s done in Germany an Police often do it over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 This thread appears to have gone somewhat off-topic?! I was looking forward to reading the 75+ posts that had been added since I last logged-on, so was somewhat disappointed to find it's turned into a thread about driving at speed; as someone who deals with motor injury claims for a living this is the last thing I want to read about on one of my days off...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 This thread appears to have gone somewhat off-topic?! I was looking forward to reading the 75+ posts that had been added since I last logged-on, so was somewhat disappointed to find it's turned into a thread about driving at speed; as someone who deals with motor injury claims for a living this is the last thing I want to read about on one of my days off...... Actually it is the "just got back from the game thread" so that can include a multitude of topics that have nowt to do with the match....you should have swapped to the "post game reaction" thread and quit while you were ahead ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints triumph Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I am a lot safer going 100 then those who crawl along. I'm concentrating on the road, whereas those crawling along at the speed limit are chatting away, not always looking at the road, playing with their radio, generally daydreaming. I do at least 20,000 motorway miles a year, and the old people dawdling are much more dangerous than those who drive too fast. Oh, and I'm not a boy racer, I don't get right up behind other cars, I don't undertake or flash people out the way. But when the outside lane is clear, I bomb on. My sentiments as well., and I live in Wiltshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I've never driven 110, and also I've never driven 100 when the roads have been busy. Like I said, I'm safer driving 100 than some people who drive 70 and don't pay attention. Tell that to the parents of the child you'll knock down. Anyway, let me paint a scenario for you. It's nighttime, you're on the motorway, the road is empty. You are the only car on the road and you think "Right, let's see what this baby can do, just for kicks". Your speed increases to 80mph, you feel confident. 90mph, a bit more of a rush but you're in control. "Come on Will, let's do this" - 100mph. The blood is pumping and the thrill of the ride is exilarating. And then......a sneeze? a fly lands on your nose? a hiccup? a fart takes you by surprise? a deer in the road? a horse? a cow? a pigeon hits the windscreen? a hoodlum throws a rock off a bridge? Can you react in time? NO is the answer. You, your passengers and anyone else on the road.....gone. Thanks for the somewhat tedious lecture. I will pass it on to the driver. I was just a passenger - a fact that you seem to like to overlook. FWIW I personally don't feel comfortable with driving over 100mph myself. When someone else is driving, there are some that I feel perfectly safe with at high speed, and others I feel terrified with at relatively low speed - regardless of the speed limit. The police are taught to drive safely at very high speed. Safety is about the skill of the driver, not the speed limit of the road. You don't know the credentials of the driver in this case do you? No, I don't and please accept my apologies if you were in a police car with lights and siren on attending police business. I somehow doubt you were and regardless of the "credentials" of the driver he was breaking the law and you are supporting that. If you are suggesting the driver was a police officers then I am disappointed and fearful for the road safety of this country. Luckily you have pointed out on the photo's thread that the back of his head is one of the pictures. Hopefully someone will recognise that head and report him to either the police or road safety campaigners. Driving through Tyldesley this morning I was approaching a set of traffic lights which went to green just as I was expecting to slow down for them, so on I went. They must have been on green for about 5 or 6 seconds by the time I reached them, at which point a merc came across my bow from the junction on the left, - must have been a good 10 seconds after his lights went red, and I didn't see him until he entered the 'box'. If I had been 1 second further up the road, 1 mph faster, or hadn't just 'blipped' my brakes as I approached the junction, he would have hit me right in the front passenger side and parked in my wife's seat. The faster you drive, the greater your thinking and stopping distances, and you can never expect to anticipate all the bl00dy stupid things the other drivers might do, ( let alone them not realising exactly how quickly the object in their mirror is closing with them ). It doesn't matter how good you or your car are, speed is dangerous because you are NEVER in complete control of the situation. Well said. I wouldn't be surprised if the driver turns out to be St Will or kpturner. It is perfectly safe to drive at 100 in the right conditions as long as you are paying attention. It s done in Germany an Police often do it over here. Even if it were perfectly safe (which it isn't) it does't stop it being ILLEGAL. Why are half the people on here carrying on as if the law doesn't matter? I bet you lot would be the first to be up in arms if your wives or children were murdered, but what if the murderer was going about not recognising the laws for murder.....does mean it's not a crime? My sentiments as well., and I live in Wiltshire I hope to God you don't run me or my family down. For your sake and mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 (edited) Well said. I wouldn't be surprised if the driver turns out to be St Will or kpturner. . Why would it be me? I have already stated that I don't like driving at speed myself - or are you conveniently overlooking that post? By the way, perhaps you would like to let us know if you have ever had an SP30 on your licence, or if you have ever broken a 30mph speed limit and gotten away with it? I suspect that if you have a driving licence then the answer to that will almost definitely be "Yes" - in which case you are hoisted by your own petard. Edited 27 September, 2009 by kpturner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 My brother works for a company that sets up the latest average speed cameras (SPECS), he can sometimes be seen on the gantrys over the M25 when they are being calibrated. There is a website that they use to check they are working. they drive past at speeds just above the trigger speed, which is just over the legal limit +10%. Although they are technically breaking the law, they stay within the 'discretional' range of 10 - 20% over, whereby the system does not automarically issue proceedings against the vehicles registered keeper. As the site has to be accesible to them using their laptops, miles from traditional ISP points the site is 'open' and is regularly 'hacked' by speedfreaks with this knowledge to try to outwit the DVLA. They also offer advice on hiow to get out of payiong fines on technicalities. They are regularly shut down and you never heard this from me okay, but the last working one that he rold me about was here: http://speedcameracheck.co.uk/ I must add that I do not condone speeding nor do I agree with people using technicalities to get out of paying when they have clearly been endangering lives. This is for information purposes only. Please do not use this info for illegal purposes. hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 My brother works for a company that sets up the latest average speed cameras (SPECS), he can sometimes be seen on the gantrys over the M25 when they are being calibrated. There is a website that they use to check they are working. they drive past at speeds just above the trigger speed, which is just over the legal limit +10%. Although they are technically breaking the law, they stay within the 'discretional' range of 10 - 20% over, whereby the system does not automarically issue proceedings against the vehicles registered keeper. As the site has to be accesible to them using their laptops, miles from traditional ISP points the site is 'open' and is regularly 'hacked' by speedfreaks with this knowledge to try to outwit the DVLA. They also offer advice on hiow to get out of payiong fines on technicalities. They are regularly shut down and you never heard this from me okay, but the last working one that he rold me about was here: http://speedcameracheck.co.uk/ I must add that I do not condone speeding nor do I agree with people using technicalities to get out of paying when they have clearly been endangering lives. This is for information purposes only. Please do not use this info for illegal purposes. hamster . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 . B, it is true hoest, my rother really does work on the camera calibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 My brother works for a company that sets up the latest average speed cameras (SPECS), he can sometimes be seen on the gantrys over the M25 when they are being calibrated. There is a website that they use to check they are working. they drive past at speeds just above the trigger speed, which is just over the legal limit +10%. Although they are technically breaking the law, they stay within the 'discretional' range of 10 - 20% over, whereby the system does not automarically issue proceedings against the vehicles registered keeper. As the site has to be accesible to them using their laptops, miles from traditional ISP points the site is 'open' and is regularly 'hacked' by speedfreaks with this knowledge to try to outwit the DVLA. They also offer advice on hiow to get out of payiong fines on technicalities. They are regularly shut down and you never heard this from me okay, but the last working one that he rold me about was here: http://speedcameracheck.co.uk/ I must add that I do not condone speeding nor do I agree with people using technicalities to get out of paying when they have clearly been endangering lives. This is for information purposes only. Please do not use this info for illegal purposes. hamsterThat's him - our driver yesterday. Bugger me - it works. That'll make Wiltshire Saints day :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 /\ I feel better for that, I hope he goes down for a very long tome kp. Sorry to sound harsh, take it from someone who has never broken any traffic laws. I am better than him and now who is laughing ay? Me that is who is laughing and I am laughing at your friend. lol. Next time you bury your head in your PSP remember that you are no better than those who walked past that Yowvil fan being beaten up. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 100 mph is against the law and potenially dangerous. Prats like you who condone that sort of irresposible behavior and brag about should be banned from driving I'm afraid you are wrong. I can drive - and have been driven in a Brabus - at 200mph in Germany. Why is it any more dangerous to drive at 100mph here than there?? It isn't. Today's cars, well mine, is well capable of driving well in excess of 100mph and indeed has been tested and designed to do so. It is equipped with ESP, ABS, and a multitude of safety features. At times of the day when conditions allow driving at 150mph is no more dangerous than at 30mph. Conversely, driving at 30mph past a school with a stationary school bus within the law would be the more dangerous than driving at 79mph on a motorway and yet totally legal. And that is the problem with this country. I cannot drive at 100mph on a clear well lit motorway at night, but a 17 yr old can enter a car and drive it at 70mph in the rain, or fog, never having once experienced those conditions nor having ever driven on a motorway. And yet I would be breaking the law and deemed more dangerous. Totally laughable. You epitomise the nanny state that is corrupting the true understanding of safety and responsibility in this country I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 My driving instructor gave me one piece of advice that is not in the highway code. The times I have been involved in accidents (and near misses), I can honestly say that if I had been remembering it at the time, they most likely would not have occured. He told me to asume that every other person on the road is an idiot. It works. I have found that quite often they make themselves known to you with lots of notice too, but occasionally you find them catching you out, like when it's foggy as pea soup and some idiot is driving in the fast lane of the M3 at 100mph, and won't let you past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 /\ I feel better for that, I hope he goes down for a very long tome kp. Sorry to sound harsh, take it from someone who has never broken any traffic laws. I am better than him and now who is laughing ay? Me that is who is laughing and I am laughing at your friend. lol. Next time you bury your head in your PSP remember that you are no better than those who walked past that Yowvil fan being beaten up. ;-) I am truly chastened breaker of laws. I deserve to be pilloried by the numerous car drivers who have never (ever, ever) committed a single road traffic offence. I hope I go down with my driver. May we rot forever in our miserable little cell. :smt010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 My driving instructor gave me one piece of advice that is not in the highway code. The times I have been involved in accidents (and near misses), I can honestly say that if I had been remembering it at the time, they most likely would not have occured. He told me to asume that every other person on the road is an idiot. It works. I have found that quite often they make themselves known to you with lots of notice too, but occasionally you find them catching you out, like when it's foggy as pea soup and some idiot is driving in the fast lane of the M3 at 100mph, and won't let you past.LMFAO Gotta remember that one for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I remember Paul Rideout! Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 whether i add to the debate I'm not sure but I drive about 2 hrs a day in the middle east t and from work and have to put up with qatari drivers coming up behind me and sitting behind me when I'm doing 120kh (local speed limit) and overtaking. they sit about 1m behind you (not joking, seen it when they overtake other people and I'm in the inside lane) and just flash their lights at you until you move over (sometimes I REALLLLLY wish I had a Bond oil slick car). Trust me british divers have nothing on them. That said having lost control of car with a blowout on the M6 doing 70mph about 6 yrs ago and luckily hitting a lorry rather than another car so my car collapsed with the impact instead of someone else's I totally agree with all of the anti-speed comments on here. I don't think people realise what their speed can do to other people. When it's late and people are tired it's very easy to miss a car doing 100 on your outside instead of 70 as they should be. Again that said and to hopefully get back on topic we may still get to + points before P*mpey!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I'm afraid you are wrong. I can drive - and have been driven in a Brabus - at 200mph in Germany. Why is it any more dangerous to drive at 100mph here than there?? It isn't. Today's cars, well mine, is well capable of driving well in excess of 100mph and indeed has been tested and designed to do so. It is equipped with ESP, ABS, and a multitude of safety features. At times of the day when conditions allow driving at 150mph is no more dangerous than at 30mph. Conversely, driving at 30mph past a school with a stationary school bus within the law would be the more dangerous than driving at 79mph on a motorway and yet totally legal. And that is the problem with this country. I cannot drive at 100mph on a clear well lit motorway at night, but a 17 yr old can enter a car and drive it at 70mph in the rain, or fog, never having once experienced those conditions nor having ever driven on a motorway. And yet I would be breaking the law and deemed more dangerous. Totally laughable. You epitomise the nanny state that is corrupting the true understanding of safety and responsibility in this country I'm afraid. I bet Felipe Massa felt completely in control at 300Km/h right up to the point a bit of Reubens Barichello's suspension hit his helmet. I once had a rear suspension arm fail, on a rear wheel drive car, at 20 mph; it pulled the prop shaft out of the gearbox and the car went from 20 to 0 instantly ! If I had been doing 30+ the car would have flipped over. You never know what is about to happen, and at 100+ you will NEVER react in time -- FACT !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I remember Paul Rideout! Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 another thing I forget to add is that 1/4 time you see the driver who's been sat on your arse for the last 30secs is there are western...you'd think we'd know better rather than being the fat arab on the phone you thought it was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I bet Felipe Massa felt completely in control at 300Km/h right up to the point a bit of Reubens Barichello's suspension hit his helmet. I once had a rear suspension arm fail, on a rear wheel drive car, at 20 mph; it pulled the prop shaft out of the gearbox and the car went from 20 to 0 instantly ! If I had been doing 30+ the car would have flipped over. You never know what is about to happen, and at 100+ you will NEVER react in time -- FACT !!!!!You wouldn't react very quickly at 70mph either if your prop shaft ripped itself out of the gearbox would you? - but you would be within the legal limit. It is a pointless argument to harp on about what can and cannot happen (regardless of speed) if you have a mechanical failure on a motorway. Fact is, you are going fast and something nasty will happen. So, whilst what you say is true, it is not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 You wouldn't react very quickly at 70mph either if your prop shaft ripped itself out of the gearbox would you? - but you would be within the legal limit. It is a pointless argument to harp on about what can and cannot happen (regardless of speed) if you have a mechanical failure on a motorway. Fact is, you are going fast and something nasty will happen. So, whilst what you say is true, it is not relevant. No it isn't, because whilst you may feel safe at 100+, cocooned in your recaro seat with all the gadgets Japanese or German technology can throw at you, the people obeying the limit , or even just nudging it from the wrong side, will not be in a position to identify and react to your projectile appropriately, as the net speed differential will be over 30 mph. As we are on a footbal forum let's put it this way: at 70mph the overall stopping distance is the length of a football pitch, at 100 mph it is is nearer to 2 pitches. At 100 mph, are you even aware of what is happening 2 football pitches away ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 I have only ever left a game early once.. that was against spurs in the cup where we were 2-0 up and lost 6-2.. I left at 5-2...hahah, Was not that the game that Ronnie Rosental came off the bench and decided to shoot from anywhere on the pitch ? Our keeper was really crap that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Just got back today myself. Well midnight last night. Drove up friday. Slept in the car in a car park. Watched the game in the Carlisle end. Almost started a riot when Rhadi scored and drove home the same evening. Good weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Oh and apart from Lallana we were utter turd. Support was awesome though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 Got to thank those that were at the game for the updates and opinions, great support. As for the driving debate - I'm staggered really. From the very first thread I had raised eyebrows - how easy is it to drive at an average speed of 85 mph over 4 hours - try it some time and see. As for those that regularly drive in excess of 100 mph on motorways - do so at your own peril. A wise man once said - you won't be killed by how fast you are going, it is how fast you stop that will knacker you. A bit like falling off of a cliff really - nobody actually died - until they stopped. I drive every month in Germany, and indeed many of their roads are unregulated - but thier driving habits are a lot different to ours, personally I think they are better drivers. They have much better lane discipline and thier rules of the road rarely mean that drivers are confused about who has right of way. I rarely see the 'road rage' sort of symptoms that you get almost on a 'day to day' basis in UK. However, I have also seen a guy go from 100ish mph to 0 in one second flat as he hit a stationary contractors vehicle that was advising that the fast lane was closed! Obviously I don't know whether he survived - but I'm guessing not. Personally, despite the stats posted here, I feel much safer driving on the continent and find that generally the boy racer element just does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 27 September, 2009 Share Posted 27 September, 2009 /\ If only we hadn't won the war, our roads would be that much safer. ;-) It is better to arrive 30 minutes late in this life, than 30 years early in the next imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 What does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 It means slow the **** down, we're all headed the same place, and it ain't a race. It's not the arriving it is the journey. nite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 Oh, ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 Carlisle is a good away day though, and the pie was the best I've had for aaaaages Totally agreed. Made a weekend of it. Good pubs (and especially the Rugby Club before the game), good food, friendly people and most excellent pies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 (edited) As we are on a footbal forum let's put it this way: at 70mph the overall stopping distance is the length of a football pitch, at 100 mph it is is nearer to 2 pitches. At 100 mph, are you even aware of what is happening 2 football pitches away ? I would hate to drive what you are driving then. The overall stopping distances in modern vehicles with ABS are nowhere near that. In a modern vehicle with ABS at 100 you would stop before you got out of the penalty area (to use your analogy) - this is a fairly standard test for anyone who has been on advanced driver training. The bigger issue is being able to react quickly enough by recognising proactively the potential issues ahead. The stopping distances in the Highway Code haven't been updated for many years and are antiquated at best. P.S. This debate may be better off moved to another forum as it clearly has nothing to do with post match analysis! Edited 28 September, 2009 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 I would hate to drive what you are driving then. The overall stopping distances in modern vehicles with ABS are nowhere near that. In a modern vehicle with ABS at 100 you would stop before you got out of the penalty area (to use your analogy) - this is a fairly standard test for anyone who has been on advanced driver training. The bigger issue is being able to react quickly enough by recognising proactively the potential issues ahead. The stopping distances in the Highway Code haven't been updated for many years and are antiquated at best. P.S. This debate may be better off moved to another forum as it clearly has nothing to do with post match analysis! But how many drivers HAVE been on the advanced course, and how many are ever paying 100% attention to what is happening on the road ? A major part of 'braking distance' is REACTION TIME, and at 100mph, the world is going past your windows very quickly, and you are catching up to the cars in front faster than they are anticipating. Fiddling with the in-car entertainment, shouting at the football commentary, disagreeing with the political speech on the radio, complaining about the 'numpty' in the car ahead that won't get out of your way, shouting at the kids / missus / dog in the back, all serve to lower your awareness of what is going on around you, and extend your reaction time. Do you drive with 100% attention ALL the time ? I will admit I don't. ( 99.9% perhaps ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 My sentiments as well., and I live in Wiltshire And there's me thinking you were called Fastlane because of an incident on the North Circular after the Everton semi Final ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 28 September, 2009 Share Posted 28 September, 2009 Shut up about this driving **** now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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