CanadaSaint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Adam Leitch of the Echo was the co commentator and said we were better in the first half but no pace and became narrow with no pace in the second half. We needed to score when we were well on top in the first half, and then kick on and get a second. When we didn't score we seemed to revert to the narrow crap. After half time it sounded like we weren't staying wide into the final third, but banging 'crosses' in from deep - straight down the keeper's throat. Lots of 'crosses', very few chances. I haven't given up on the idea of coming over in November to see for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I said before last week's game, home wins and away draws for the rest of the season would give us more than enough for play offs! two games later - on target! and most of last few season we would not even have needed that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Oh dear, a few people upset by me questionning Pardew. My point is, there are teams in more of a mess then us, far less resources, far worse players.... yet they are winning games. 1 win all season is poor, fact. we are still as far adrift of safety as we were in August, fact. This is all very reminiscent of rent a quote pardew when he was at Charlton. I would love the guy to succeed, but it just isnt at the moment. He talks a damn good game, but any other manager with that squad and 1 win all season would be in fear of his job. This next week will tell us alot, if our home form begins to produce wins then we have progress, if not, well, the daggers will fly. Probably the best post summing up our situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I said before last week's game, home wins and away draws for the rest of the season would give us more than enough for play offs! two games later - on target! and most of last few season we would not even have needed that! I think you maybe clutching at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Probably the best post summing up our situation You mean the post that most resembles your own opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I think you maybe clutching at straws. can't see play offs myself but shows how ridiculous those writing off the season already are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'm pleased with a draw, Manchester United style in the 96th minute. Alex Ferguson is regarded as a good manager, even though he gets lucky sometimes. You make your own luck, as they say. The match statistics (16 corners to their 8, 14 shots to their 9) suggest that we deserved the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 A positive result I think. The way it was secured should be a boost for team morale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I'm pleased with a draw, Manchester United style in the 96th minute. Alex Ferguson is regarded as a good manager, even though he gets lucky sometimes. You make your own luck, as they say. The match statistics (16 corners to their 8, 14 shots to their 9) suggest that we deserved the draw. alex ferguson is regarded as a good manager because he has won everything in the club game....EVERYTHING... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 can't see play offs myself but shows how ridiculous those writing off the season already are! if you cant see the playoffs, are you not also writing off the season..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I think they are possible but not the most likely outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 if you cant see the playoffs, are you not also writing off the season..? The Paint Trophy perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 alex ferguson is regarded as a good manager because he has won everything in the club game....EVERYTHING... He's never won the League 1 or Championship titles. I'm not convinced that he would cope at this level. He's used to being able to buy the most expensive players in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 still only 2 defeats turn a few of the draws into wins and the momentum will build agree with some of the comments about Lalana we need pace away from home to hit teams on the break quickly, our build ups are slow and enable defenders to regain ground as we go sideways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 He's never won the League 1 or Championship titles. I'm not convinced that he would cope at this level. He's used to being able to buy the most expensive players in the world. Such as Wes Brown Scholes Neville and Giggs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Such as Wes Brown Scholes and Giggs ? beckham, neville, robson. pallister, bruce, mclaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 beckham, neville, robson. pallister, bruce, mclaire O'Shea Evans the other Neville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 We needed to score when we were well on top in the first half, and then kick on and get a second. When we didn't score we seemed to revert to the narrow crap. After half time it sounded like we weren't staying wide into the final third, but banging 'crosses' in from deep - straight down the keeper's throat. Lots of 'crosses', very few chances. I haven't given up on the idea of coming over in November to see for myself. That's the sum of it. The lack of width is killing us. If Holmes is fit he could help us on the left. Apparently they were setting up plays this week with wingers and fullbacks overlapping and his crossing was spot on. I'd take a punt on Waigo wide right and the two centre forwards up front. Until they solve that problem they are going nowhere. Let me know if you are and we will try and meet up. JH and AW are always around also a few of us on here meet up once a month Weston, FF, Teddy Nutkins, Corsacar Saint, Exit2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Such as Wes Brown Scholes Neville and Giggs ? Such as Evra, Anderson, Ronaldo, Berbatov etc. Manchester United is the richest club in the world. That gives them an advantage over the poorer clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Such as Evra, Anderson, Ronaldo, Berbatov etc. Manchester United is the richest club in the world. That gives them an advantage over the poorer clubs. indeed..and we are the richest club in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Such as Evra, Anderson, Ronaldo, Berbatov etc. Manchester United is the richest club in the world. That gives them an advantage over the poorer clubs. Dont disagree but Sir Alex could sort our club no problem especially as we are a wealthy club in League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Dont disagree but Sir Alex could sort our club no problem especially as we are a wealthy club in League 1 took him a few seasons to sort out united Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Dont disagree but Sir Alex could sort our club no problem especially as we are a wealthy club in League 1 Thirty seconds in after the hair dryer treatment we would be playing like champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Oh dear, a few people upset by me questionning Pardew. My poitn is, there are team sin more aof a mess then us, far less resources, far worse players.... yet they are winning games. 1 win all season is poor, fact. we are still as far adrift of safety as we were in August, fact. This is all very reminiscent of rent a quote pardew when he was at Charlton. I would love the guy to succeed, but it just isnt at the moment. He talks a damn good game, but any other manager with that squad and 1 win all season would be in fear of his job. This next week will tell us alot, if our home form begins to produce wins then we have progress, if not, well, the daggers will fly. From the sound of things we created a lot of chances but squandered them. That suggests that the manager has done his job but he cannot play the game for the players. He didn't miss gilt-edged chances. Perhaps we do need SCW's sports psychologists to help players learn composure in front of goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Very lucky result today, but luck is part of the game, and Pardew's determination to get Jaidi into the team has definitely paid off. Relief at the late equaliser shoudn't mask the fact that the team is still not performing well, and regardless of what Pardew says for public consumption, he will know that as well as anyone. People have said its not the squad, but that AP can't get them to play for him. Given that we now have a strong coaching team, the way the side plays is not just down to the manager, and its a certainty that the coaching staff will be working to find out what the weaknesses are. AP has also indicated that there could be more loans in, if he can arrange any more loans out. Seems enough this week to stay positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Tough place to go away from home. I would have taken a point before the match to be honest. Roll on Tuesday. Got to step up to beat a decent Bristol Rovers team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 (edited) I admire your endurance in putting forward the same point each week - I fully agree . I thought you had changed your user name as another poster put forward the same thing earlier. Dont think Pardew is my type of Manager a bit too defensive like Sven It might seem like that but the problem of lack of width and pace is there week in week out and looks no nearer to being resolved. I'm thinking maybe the time has come to complete the replacement with new players those positions not yet replaced. Edited 26 September, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Just back from the game............ Mixed feelings - thought we were the better side and deserved a point, but same old frustrations. Last 3rd we are poor and lack pace and creativity. The possesion we had (1st half particularly) should have won easily but failed to create any proper openings. Cant remember there keeper (or ours for that) needing to make any saves and that is a worry. Crosses were really poor - had 12+ corners yet didnt get any of them near Lambert....needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 I`ll say it again, I wasnt best happy when AP was appointed "underwhelmed" ( and boy did I get stick) but I said I would wait and see and you know what... I think he is moving the club in the right direction... I think as I reckon AP does, that it is going to be a slow process. Keep the faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It really amazes me how people can twist a result to suit their agenda. Our problem today was we did not take any of our chances until the end. Speaking to my mate who went he said their keeper was probably man of the match. I would of liked us to have won this game and speaking to him we had the chances to do that. We just needed that bit of luck that did not come until the last kick of the game. We should of had more about us to put them to the sword but sometimes football is not like that. You have to look at both sides of the coin. You can look for negatives if you choose to but you cannot ignore the positives. We have gone 6 games unbeaten and let only 4 in. We have scored 6 in that time which is not good enough but the chances are coming we just need to be more lethal with them. As me and others have said before the season started you cannot expect this club to get promoted this season. It is a building process and regardless of your negative outlook we are moving forwards in every area but the results, which will come. I honestly do believe we will stuff somebody soon. There will be a game when all the chances we get will be taken and we could then win by 4 or 5. Bristol will be a hard game for us but it will be the test we need. If you look at our last 3 games we have got 5 from 9. With two of those being away. If you look at the month of September we are the 9th form team only 1point from 4th. Which again shows progress. So as i said you can spin it whichever way you want but what matters is results and while they are not wins they are also not losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It really amazes me how people can twist a result to suit their agenda. Our problem today was we did not take any of our chances until the end. Speaking to my mate who went he said their keeper was probably man of the match. I would of liked us to have won this game and speaking to him we had the chances to do that. We just needed that bit of luck that did not come until the last kick of the game. We should of had more about us to put them to the sword but sometimes football is not like that. You have to look at both sides of the coin. You can look for negatives if you choose to but you cannot ignore the positives. We have gone 6 games unbeaten and let only 4 in. We have scored 6 in that time which is not good enough but the chances are coming we just need to be more lethal with them. As me and others have said before the season started you cannot expect this club to get promoted this season. It is a building process and regardless of your negative outlook we are moving forwards in every area but the results, which will come. I honestly do believe we will stuff somebody soon. There will be a game when all the chances we get will be taken and we could then win by 4 or 5. Bristol will be a hard game for us but it will be the test we need. If you look at our last 3 games we have got 5 from 9. With two of those being away. If you look at the month of September we are the 9th form team only 1point from 4th. Which again shows progress. So as i said you can spin it whichever way you want but what matters is results and while they are not wins they are also not losses. there is no agenda...some of us pretty muched hoped for more than this from the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Also 16 corners according to BBC Sport. That's quite a few is it not?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 we obviously are not doing something right are we.....or are we still rebuilding and lucky to have a team to support at all with no pre-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 we obviously are not doing something right are we.....or are we still rebuilding and lucky to have a team to support at all with no pre-season? Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Also 16 corners according to BBC Sport. That's quite a few is it not?! Corners were really really poor today - we have some tall players in our side now yet every corner was cleared by the man on near post or collected easily by keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 we obviously are not doing something right are we.....or are we still rebuilding and lucky to have a team to support at all with no pre-season? Exactly. I don't spout out the "lucky to have a team at all" line because it's stupid, yes we ARE lucky but that has no bearing on how we do AFTER we are saved. However, we are still rebuilding due to a short amount of pre-season with Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 there is no agenda...some of us pretty muched hoped for more than this from the team Yes but you can't have it both ways. For example again just using the last 3 games. We played 2 away and got 5 points from 9. That is not amazing, not setting the world on fire. But if we use that as our points ratio and apply it to the table last year it would see us finish 6th and take a playoff spot. If we did that would people be as unhappy as they sound now? Doubtful. If and that is a big IF, we beat Bristol and Gillingham which are both home games that would of given us 11 points from the 15 on offer. That is obviously champions form. That is how quick it can turn. Which is why i think a lot of people are overeacting, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Tough place to go away from home. I would have taken a point before the match to be honest. Roll on Tuesday. Got to step up to beat a decent Bristol Rovers team. Yep, and it makes a pleasant change to see us steal a point in the dying minutes rather than the other way round. A point gained, the way I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Corners were really really poor today - we have some tall players in our side now yet every corner was cleared by the man on near post or collected easily by keeper. Sounds familiar! Shame really, especially when you get 16 corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It really amazes me how people can twist a result to suit their agenda. Our problem today was we did not take any of our chances until the end. Speaking to my mate who went he said their keeper was probably man of the match. I would of liked us to have won this game and speaking to him we had the chances to do that. We just needed that bit of luck that did not come until the last kick of the game. We should of had more about us to put them to the sword but sometimes football is not like that. You have to look at both sides of the coin. You can look for negatives if you choose to but you cannot ignore the positives. We have gone 6 games unbeaten and let only 4 in. We have scored 6 in that time which is not good enough but the chances are coming we just need to be more lethal with them. As me and others have said before the season started you cannot expect this club to get promoted this season. It is a building process and regardless of your negative outlook we are moving forwards in every area but the results, which will come. I honestly do believe we will stuff somebody soon. There will be a game when all the chances we get will be taken and we could then win by 4 or 5. Bristol will be a hard game for us but it will be the test we need. If you look at our last 3 games we have got 5 from 9. With two of those being away. If you look at the month of September we are the 9th form team only 1point from 4th. Which again shows progress. So as i said you can spin it whichever way you want but what matters is results and while they are not wins they are also not losses. It's not some 'agenda' it's mathematics . Those maths are very simple and quite unavoidable - our current one point per game average will lead to yet another relegation this season , with the 10 point penalty or without . We are failing again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Corners were really really poor today - we have some tall players in our side now yet every corner was cleared by the man on near post or collected easily by keeper. GS, did Lallana take them or did Mills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It's not some 'agenda' it's mathematics . Those maths are very simple and quite unavoidable - our current one point per game average will lead to yet another relegation this season , with the 10 point penalty or without . We are failing again . As i said above that is if you look at the results from the 1st day to today. If you look at say the period where we have had Jaidi etc i,e the last 3 games then we have taken 5 from 9, which if we did that for a whole season would of had us 6th last year. If we win on tues it would be 8 from 12, champions form. Some people make it sound like we are playing crap, leaking goals and getting stuffed when it is not the case. We are not scoring goals, that is our problem. Everything else is going right. I have no doubt eventually Lambert,Saga,Waigo and Lallana will start scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 It's not some 'agenda' it's mathematics . Those maths are very simple and quite unavoidable - our current one point per game average will lead to yet another relegation this season , with the 10 point penalty or without . We are failing again . cheer up mate, its not time to open a vein yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 how long does re-building take and how long does 'no pre-season' take before it is no longer a valid excuse? Serious questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 how long does re-building take and how long does 'no pre-season' take before it is no longer a valid excuse? Serious questions I think StM has called it spot on. The season has started now, there are no excuses. If you look at recent form we are better then we were. Imagine if it was the first few games of the season and we won against Yeovil and Bristol and then drew the two away games against Charlton and Carlisle. Sure you would be happy with that? I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Unless we wee playing Lallana as a striker, we were effectively playing Lambert as the sole striker, which for me lacks ambition. And when Waigo came on, was that as a striker, or as a wide man? From what I could gather from the commentary, their player Matty Robson was a real threat all afternoon and he is the sort of player we seem to be missing. He skinned James for pace several times and if we did indeed have 5 across midfield, then his pace got behind them time after time. It's a shame that Thomas was out, as the back four seemed much more solid with him at RB and James in midfield, although quite how Thomas would have handled Robson I don't know. Perhaps two up front would have meant that our extra goal threat would not have allowed them to be so adventurous. Was Mills injured? He seemed to be doing a great job on the LHS. OK, Holmes came on there, but not immediately, leaving me wondering why he was taken off. Seemingly, Pardew was considering replacing Jaidi with Perry, as Jaidi appeared to be tiring badly, lacking match fitness. Damned good thing he left him on! I hope that we're a bit more adventurous and play two up front on Tuesday and get some width and pace into our game too. If Lambert does not get the service and goes off the boil, team confidence could take a bad knock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelfas31 Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 GS, did Lallana take them or did Mills? Mills from the right, James from the left and then right when Mills went off. Pretty much all corners were poor. Hammond took one near the end from the right which was the best corner all day. Crosses were poor too; from too deep and seldom near Lambert. Width is poor, we are wasting Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 As i said above that is if you look at the results from the 1st day to today. If you look at say the period where we have had Jaidi etc i,e the last 3 games then we have taken 5 from 9, which if we did that for a whole season would of had us 6th last year. If we win on tues it would be 8 from 12, champions form. Some people make it sound like we are playing crap, leaking goals and getting stuffed when it is not the case. We are not scoring goals, that is our problem. Everything else is going right. I have no doubt eventually Lambert,Saga,Waigo and Lallana will start scoring. I expect the manager and players are thinking more or less the same thing right now - We're too good to go down . Just my opinion but I think that attitude is the worst possible reaction to our situation , the sooner that everyone at the club (and on here for that matter) realise the true depth of the trouble we're in then we just might just start to fight our way out of it . Right now I'm not convinced they even know they're in a battle . Complacency is the enemy of performance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 how long does re-building take and how long does 'no pre-season' take before it is no longer a valid excuse? Serious questions I still think Pardew will need a few more months (in reality) before he's totally happy with the side. And seeing as the transfer window doesn't open now until January - we can't sign anyone quick & pacey/wide on a permanent basis before then. Sure - we can loan players - but I don't think you ever quite get the same commitment from loanees as you do with those on a lenghty contract. I'm sure - like us - he realises we need some pace & width in the side - and quick! - if we're to get out of trouble. As for 'pre-season'; the season only started last month (still early days) & Pardew joined at the 11th hour. His ways & means, his ideas on how he wants the game played, his mark on the club - will take a little while longer yet. I don't think we're too far off being a good side in League 1. By the end of January - this team & how it performs will be 100% Pardews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 September, 2009 Share Posted 26 September, 2009 Just back from the game............ Mixed feelings - thought we were the better side and deserved a point, but same old frustrations. Last 3rd we are poor and lack pace and creativity. The possesion we had (1st half particularly) should have won easily but failed to create any proper openings. Cant remember there keeper (or ours for that) needing to make any saves and that is a worry. Crosses were really poor - had 12+ corners yet didnt get any of them near Lambert....needs work So we didn't create loads of chances just a bit of pressure and a few shots blocked and the usual poor corners. We allow the defences to compact and cope comfortably with our lack of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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