Soccer Saturday build up thread

[hypochondriac]

I was disappointed when I found out about this but now I really really REALLY don't care. It's not important, move on.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I was disappointed when I found out about this but now I really really REALLY don't care. It's not important, move on.

 

Hypo I was disappointed as well and a disappointment exacerbated now that MLT has come back into the public eye without IMO considering it necessary to comment on the controversy. As a Saints' hero does he not owe us an explanation at least?

 

You say you really don't care and in the scheme of things I agree that it is nothing compared to the secure future of the club but we have a playing legend who seems to have forgotten that past reputations need to be nurtured and renewed and not simply traded until exhaustion.

 

When we really don't care the reputation is exhausted IMO and all for the sake of an explanation with regard to the affair and the real truth in light of subsequent reports in the media. Is that a difficult thing to do to maintain the respect and reputation you have deserveredly earned? It seems that way to me in this instance but it depends I suppose who if anybody is advising you and what you hope to gain or try and hang on to. IMO MLT has let us down twice since the end of last season and failed to explain his actions to those who should matter most beyond his immediate family. Should we expect more or simply turn the other cheek? I can forget but forgive requires something more from MLT IMO other than proverbially closing the closet door and keeping his own counsel.

[The Majestic Channon]

Hypo I was disappointed as well and a disappointment exacerbated now that MLT has come back into the public eye without IMO considering it necessary to comment on the controversy. As a Saints' hero does he not owe us an explanation at least?

 

You say you really don't care and in the scheme of things I agree that it is nothing compared to the secure future of the club but we have a playing legend who seems to have forgotten that past reputations need to be nurtured and renewed and not simply traded until exhaustion.

 

When we really don't care the reputation is exhausted IMO and all for the sake of an explanation with regard to the affair and the real truth in light of subsequent reports in the media. Is that a difficult thing to do to maintain the respect and reputation you have deserveredly earned? It seems that way to me in this instance but it depends I suppose who if anybody is advising you and what you hope to gain or try and hang on to. IMO MLT has let us down twice since the end of last season and failed to explain his actions to those who should matter most beyond his immediate family. Should we expect more or simply turn the other cheek? I can forget but forgive requires something more from MLT IMO other than proverbially closing the closet door and keeping his own counsel.

 

 

Says a supporter of a man who caused 2 relegations with disastrous managerial appointments then went on to pass the buck and clear himself on any blame whatsover on national tv.

Should we expect more or simply turn the other cheek? who do you think REALLY let down the sane majority of saints fans? the man who kept us up during the 90's with breathtaking goals or the man who almost put our club out of existence ?

As much as you will deny it you are just bitter because Le tiss and lawrie critizised Lowe, plain and simple.

[Gemmel]

Hypo I was disappointed as well and a disappointment exacerbated now that MLT has come back into the public eye without IMO considering it necessary to comment on the controversy. As a Saints' hero does he not owe us an explanation at least?

 

You say you really don't care and in the scheme of things I agree that it is nothing compared to the secure future of the club but we have a playing legend who seems to have forgotten that past reputations need to be nurtured and renewed and not simply traded until exhaustion.

 

When we really don't care the reputation is exhausted IMO and all for the sake of an explanation with regard to the affair and the real truth in light of subsequent reports in the media. Is that a difficult thing to do to maintain the respect and reputation you have deserveredly earned? It seems that way to me in this instance but it depends I suppose who if anybody is advising you and what you hope to gain or try and hang on to. IMO MLT has let us down twice since the end of last season and failed to explain his actions to those who should matter most beyond his immediate family. Should we expect more or simply turn the other cheek? I can forget but forgive requires something more from MLT IMO other than proverbially closing the closet door and keeping his own counsel.

 

Will you come out and explain why your previous user names were unable to abide by the forum rules and thus got banned? No.... you have had plenty of opportunities to do so, but you have chosen not to, yet you demand MLT Saints hero does so....get a life.

 

The problem is you were slating him and the book before this all came out and the way it comes across is that this has just given you a platform to spout your bile.

 

The irony is that your first set of digs (After Pinnacle) were about the fact that the book would not be worth buying because you wouldn't learn anything about the man and it wouldn't contain any new revelations.

 

When you are talking football, you actually make some real sense. So stop winding up Saints fans on the pretense of caring or claiming some moral high ground, ditch the politics and get on with supporting the club.

Edited 9 October, 2009 by Gemmel

[RonManager]

I think I will prefer to wait until MLT takes dessert.

 

In the meantime my learned friend I thought you might enjoy some late evening poetry.

 

Humility is only doubt

And does the sun and moon blot out

Rooting over the thorns and stems

The buried soul and all its gems

This life's dim wondows of the soul

Distorts the heavens from pole to pole

And leads you to believe a lie

When you see with and not through the eye.

 

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky;

I left my shoes and socks there - I wonder if they're dry?

 

S Milligan RIP (I told you i wasn't feeling well)

Edited 9 October, 2009 by RonManager
After John Masefield

[Nineteen Canteen]

I must go down to the sea again, to the lonely sea and the sky;

I left my shoes and socks there - I wonder if they're dry?

 

S Milligan RIP (I told you i wasn't feeling well)

 

I thought I saw Jesus

on a tram.

I said 'Are you Jesus?'

He said 'Yes I am'.

 

Another piece of whimsy from T.A M.

[trousers]

Look. For what it's worth NC asks valid questions about the 'MLT epidode'. Matt is one of my childhood heros and that will never change. But I 'm not blinkered enough to rule out questioning the great man. I'm 75% through Reading his book and it makes me proud and cringe in equal measures.

 

Sometimes on threads like this it's difficult to distinguish one side of obsession from t'other. IMHO of course

[Nineteen Canteen]

Look. For what it's worth NC asks valid questions about the 'MLT epidode'. Matt is one of my childhood heros and that will never change. But I 'm not blinkered enough to rule out questioning the great man. I'm 75% through Reading his book and it makes me proud and cringe in equal measures.

 

Sometimes on threads like this it's difficult to distinguish one side of obsession from t'other. IMHO of course

 

Nothing changes

Nothing does

It ends up like

It always was

It always will

Because, because

 

Blame RonManger he made me dig out my Hidden Treasures collection from one Terence Alan Milligan.

[Bearsy]

MLT came clean in his book imo.

 

He can hardly come out and admit he changed some details to avoid prosecution, because then he'd have to face prosecution!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Will you come out and explain why your previous user names were unable to abide by the forum rules and thus got banned? No.... you have had plenty of opportunities to do so, but you have chosen not to, yet you demand MLT Saints hero does so....get a life.

 

The problem is you were slating him and the book before this all came out and the way it comes across is that this has just given you a platform to spout your bile.

 

The irony is that your first set of digs (After Pinnacle) were about the fact that the book would not be worth buying because you wouldn't learn anything about the man and it wouldn't contain any new revelations.

 

When you are talking football, you actually make some real sense. So stop winding up Saints fans on the pretense of caring or claiming some moral high ground, ditch the politics and get on with supporting the club.

 

Gemmel as far as I am aware I am nobody's sporting hero have not written my life story or appear regularly on national TV to opine on football and those involved with it.

 

My politics don't stop me supporting the club unlike some other less than glorious fans last season but neither is my support blind and when reasonable questions need to be asked I will ask them, bile doesn't come into it and that is just a malicious suggestion put about by those who feel uncomfotable about me challenging a hero they believe(d) is/was above such questions. We both know he is not.

[Nineteen Canteen]

MLT came clean in his book imo.

 

He can hardly come out and admit he changed some details to avoid prosecution, because then he'd have to face prosecution!

 

In that case why mention it at all as by his own admission he left a lot of other 'private' stuff out that may have helped us understand better why he chose to stay at Southampton.

[beatlesaint]

The above 2 posts by 19C sum this guy up perfectly for me.

 

Whilst a football match was going on which we were all following on the thread, or BBC text, or Solent etc this clown was posting away on this thread probably spouting more bile aimed towards whoever hefeels like at any particular time.

 

As its blocked by me I cannot read what he is saying, nor do i care.....but FFS get a life man and move on......hey do you know we won a game of football tonight ?

[Nineteen Canteen]

The above 2 posts by 19C sum this guy up perfectly for me.

 

Whilst a football match was going on which we were all following on the thread, or BBC text, or Solent etc this clown was posting away on this thread probably spouting more bile aimed towards whoever hefeels like at any particular time.

 

As its blocked by me I cannot read what he is saying, nor do i care.....but FFS get a life man and move on......hey do you know we won a game of football tonight ?

 

Nineteen Canteen in typing and listening to his radio at the same time shock. Need to check I still have a pair of testicles all this multi-tasking I may have turned into a lady but don't have the shrill voice of some.

 

(Hello Beatle, i knew you'd take of your 'block')

[crouchi]

Matt Le Tiss, football genius, but I doubt he's that bright otherwise, just joined the wrong group - what does it matter, you don't really have to love everything about your heroes do you?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Matt Le Tiss, football genius, but I doubt he's that bright otherwise, just joined the wrong group - what does it matter, you don't really have to love everything about your heroes do you?

 

No you don't but there are a few non-negotiables and IMO integrity is one of them. They all make mistakes and it's how they deal with them that defines how integrity is maintained.

 

MLT admitted his part in a betting scam in his book with comments that he had never run so hard in a game whilst the ball remained in play and that he did it once and would never do it again. All fair enough although the 'never run so hard' comment was a bit difficult to take when you consider how close we came to relegation on occassion and maximum effort was required from everyone despite their personal talents. Giving away possession to a throw in was the most important thing that caused him to run his hardest in a game?

 

However, subsequent reports in the media, involvement of the police and statement from the CPS, plus the information that the game MLT spoke about was not televised live and therefore, a bet of that nature could not have been placed and we are left wondering what to believe, or at least me and maybe Trousers, who secretly can't resist this stuff. ( ) All of a sudden, reasonable questions are raised on what first appeared to be a simple admission and acknowledgement that he realised he was lucky to get away with it and never to get involved again.

 

Has MLT been honest with his fans and the wider community who bought his book? Does it matter? Probably not if he chose the Lowe approach to question avoidance and slipped under the radar and keeping his silence but MLT has bold as brass turned back up on our screens and no Fernesque statement, nothing to put the record straight.

 

You have to admire the thickness of his skin IMO, if nothing else, considering the response from the CPS and the fact the game was not televised live.

[Wes Tender]

No irony at all then, Nineteen, you talking about integrity, what with your multiple user names on here and all.

 

Just a simple question; does this transgression say more about MLT, or does this relentless dog with a bone campaign of yours say more about you?

[Nineteen Canteen]

No irony at all then, Nineteen, you talking about integrity, what with your multiple user names on here and all.

 

Just a simple question; does this transgression say more about MLT, or does this relentless dog with a bone campaign of yours say more about you?

 

Transgression? You use a word Wes that taken literally packs a hell of a punch with regards to it's meaning. So in answer to your question it says more about MLT than any dog with bone who will no doubt gnaw away until the point his interest wanes and how is that going to happen? Eventually get fed up waiting for some meat on the bones and dissatisfaction turns to contempt?

 

As regards to my integrity in the real world then I believe I can hold my head high but on a faceless internet forum where 95% of user's identities are masked by pseudonyms I think my integrity is at least on a par with everyone else and stand by my opinions without fear or favour. My thoughts Wes, popular or otherwise and I post accordingly and not for plaudits or attention. I think my integrity is secure and if you think I have multiple ids then I am sure you will recognise I am hardly alone.

[Wes Tender]

Well the bone has no meat on it anymore and even if you're not tired at gnawing on it, Nineteen, I am. For that reason, I'm out.

[70's Mike]

No you don't but there are a few non-negotiables and IMO integrity is one of them. They all make mistakes and it's how they deal with them that defines how integrity is maintained.

 

MLT admitted his part in a betting scam in his book with comments that he had never run so hard in a game whilst the ball remained in play and that he did it once and would never do it again. All fair enough although the 'never run so hard' comment was a bit difficult to take when you consider how close we came to relegation on occassion and maximum effort was required from everyone despite their personal talents. Giving away possession to a throw in was the most important thing that caused him to run his hardest in a game?

 

However, subsequent reports in the media, involvement of the police and statement from the CPS, plus the information that the game MLT spoke about was not televised live and therefore, a bet of that nature could not have been placed and we are left wondering what to believe, or at least me and maybe Trousers, who secretly can't resist this stuff. ( ) All of a sudden, reasonable questions are raised on what first appeared to be a simple admission and acknowledgement that he realised he was lucky to get away with it and never to get involved again.

 

Has MLT been honest with his fans and the wider community who bought his book? Does it matter? Probably not if he chose the Lowe approach to question avoidance and slipped under the radar and keeping his silence but MLT has bold as brass turned back up on our screens and no Fernesque statement, nothing to put the record straight.

 

You have to admire the thickness of his skin IMO, if nothing else, considering the response from the CPS and the fact the game was not televised live.

 

 

 

Lowe keep quiet and slip under the radar

Now i know you are on a wind up

[Nineteen Canteen]

Well the bone has no meat on it anymore and even if you're not tired at gnawing on it, Nineteen, I am. For that reason, I'm out.

 

That's your prerogative Wes and I respect that but personally I remain convinced it is wrong that he has maintained his slience since he was quick to sell his story in the first place and has proverbially taken le tiss (sic) out of those who bought the book and the rest of his fan base. All this of course coming off the the back of the shambles that was Pinnacle and the damaging knock on effect that has had to our season, from which we are now showing signs of recovery, thank goodness for that at least.

 

IMO MLT has not covered himself in glory in either situation and has not exactly provided a decent explanation for his actions. Hero on the pitch - of course. In his retirement from playing? Far from it IMO and is making a good job of disappointing his adoring fans to the point of alienation. Would you welcome back MLT to any sort of role at SMS? I wouldn't because in the absence of answers I am left questioing what really motivates him. Certainly as things stand if we have a repeat appearance like that at the Millwall game I'll be the one refusing to acknowledge his presence because genuine greatness extends far beyond what he or anyone else achieves in football which lets face it wasn't exactly at the summit of what he had the potential to achieve. Perhaps he should have got involved in betting scams more often to up his contribution?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Lowe keep quiet and slip under the radar

Now i know you are on a wind up

 

Mike, sadly no wind up on my part and Lowe needs to give answers as much as MLT needs to provide them IMO otherwise it remains an open wound left to fester instead of being a clean line in the sand. There our others as well who could be asked a few questions namely Crouch and McMemeny and the latter especially about why he feels the need to stop watching Saints because the regime that saved us wants to charge everybody.

 

I hope that Fitzhugh Fella writes or collaborates with another author one day to write a book on the saga from Cup Final to League 1 in 6 sorry years and perhaps then we can have a book that we can all enjoy for the education if nothing else, minus the 40 pages of contributions from sycophants that served what purpose exactly?

 

The reason I say FF should colloborate with someone on this book because he did say it would be difficult for him to write with any balance but working with others and done well I think it would be a story worth telling far beyond the reaches of SFC. Lets face it the story has it all and more with characters from all walks of life and the ensuing power crazed battles, overpaid journeymen players and fallen angels the recent history of the Saints is a story worthy of investigation fully and telling in its balanced entireity.

 

So, no wind up by me just a small search for the truth.

[Gemmel]

Mike, sadly no wind up on my part and Lowe needs to give answers as much as MLT needs to provide them IMO otherwise it remains an open wound left to fester instead of being a clean line in the sand. There our others as well who could be asked a few questions namely Crouch and McMemeny and the latter especially about why he feels the need to stop watching Saints because the regime that saved us wants to charge everybody.

 

I hope that Fitzhugh Fella writes or collaborates with another author one day to write a book on the saga from Cup Final to League 1 in 6 sorry years and perhaps then we can have a book that we can all enjoy for the education if nothing else, minus the 40 pages of contributions from sycophants that served what purpose exactly?

 

The reason I say FF should colloborate with someone on this book because he did say it would be difficult for him to write with any balance but working with others and done well I think it would be a story worth telling far beyond the reaches of SFC. Lets face it the story has it all and more with characters from all walks of life and the ensuing power crazed battles, overpaid journeymen players and fallen angels the recent history of the Saints is a story worthy of investigation fully and telling in its balanced entireity.

 

So, no wind up by me just a small search for the truth.

 

Yet again a half decent post laced with the "loaded dice"

[70's Mike]

Yet again a half decent post laced with the "loaded dice"

 

Do not bother he always speaks half decent and then slips back into his real agenda

[dubai_phil]

Mike, sadly no wind up on my part and Lowe needs to give answers as much as MLT needs to provide them IMO otherwise it remains an open wound left to fester instead of being a clean line in the sand. There our others as well who could be asked a few questions namely Crouch and McMemeny and the latter especially about why he feels the need to stop watching Saints because the regime that saved us wants to charge everybody.

 

I hope that Fitzhugh Fella writes or collaborates with another author one day to write a book on the saga from Cup Final to League 1 in 6 sorry years and perhaps then we can have a book that we can all enjoy for the education if nothing else, minus the 40 pages of contributions from sycophants that served what purpose exactly?

 

The reason I say FF should colloborate with someone on this book because he did say it would be difficult for him to write with any balance but working with others and done well I think it would be a story worth telling far beyond the reaches of SFC. Lets face it the story has it all and more with characters from all walks of life and the ensuing power crazed battles, overpaid journeymen players and fallen angels the recent history of the Saints is a story worthy of investigation fully and telling in its balanced entireity.

 

So, no wind up by me just a small search for the truth.

 

 

There is a fundamental problem with writing the history of the past 6 years.

 

History always tends to be written from the viewpoint of the winners. Tragically, all across the trail of destruction and cast of "thousands" involved in the "Epic" tale of our demise lies a trail of NDA's and previous history of legal actions, and of course, many protagonists still need to work and eat and cannot afford to breach those agreements.

 

Without access to pages of emails and documentary evidence, printing anecdotal evidence and hearsay relating to chance encounters in hotel lobbies or overheard phone calls becomes a minefield.

 

The only way FF could ever get the story into the press would be if there was a benefit for any of the protagonists.

 

So, would we want to see Lowe's side of the story and evidence proving he was the good guy? (lol), the minutes of the meetings between MW & LC & the Execs showing they all were imbued with common sense, even forensic evidence that GB was a militant muslim and followed the teachings with regard to consumption of certain substances?

 

MLT wrote his book to sell it, the controversy was needed in the modern era to gain the media attention to get the book on prominent display even in Duty Free Bookshops at Heathrow.

 

But as for the likelihood of his public admission of having been conned/taken for a ride or turned into somebody's PR b1tch, well, two problems there - how often does ANYONE apologise these days and how often does it make NEWS?

 

There is a way to get the answer you seek. MLT's quite a public character, especially with his charity events, pop along, and ask him. It will be off the record, it won't be publishable but maybe you'll get what you seek and understanding may well follow when the context becomes better understood.

 

Otherwise, you face a dliemna. You have the right to ask the question. Unfortunately, for many, they have either made a judgement or let it go as part of the "Strange set of Circumstances" that got us to where we are today. Do you pass down the road to darkness the cartoon character filling his pen with poison and frustration each morning as the story fades? or do you take the step to find the actual answer by understanding that it won't be public, it won't be publishable, it won't be provable? But it will tell you why, and it will tell you in your own way that you were right, but not in the "Told you so way". That, sometimes can be more despairing than the route of the poisoned pen!

 

(Which was a DP way of saying 19C - you made your point, it has registered but you ain't gonna get what you seek so give it a rest)

Edited 11 October, 2009 by dubai_phil

[Nineteen Canteen]

There is a fundamental problem with writing the history of the past 6 years.

 

History always tends to be written from the viewpoint of the winners. Tragically, all across the trail of destruction and cast of "thousands" involved in the "Epic" tale of our demise lies a trail of NDA's and previous history of legal actions, and of course, many protagonists still need to work and eat and cannot afford to breach those agreements.

 

Without access to pages of emails and documentary evidence, printing anecdotal evidence and hearsay relating to chance encounters in hotel lobbies or overheard phone calls becomes a minefield.

 

The only way FF could ever get the story into the press would be if there was a benefit for any of the protagonists.

 

So, would we want to see Lowe's side of the story and evidence proving he was the good guy? (lol), the minutes of the meetings between MW & LC & the Execs showing they all were imbued with common sense, even forensic evidence that GB was a militant muslim and followed the teachings with regard to consumption of certain substances?

 

MLT wrote his book to sell it, the controversy was needed in the modern era to gain the media attention to get the book on prominent display even in Duty Free Bookshops at Heathrow.

 

But as for the likelihood of his public admission of having been conned/taken for a ride or turned into somebody's PR b1tch, well, two problems there - how often does ANYONE apologise these days and how often does it make NEWS?

 

There is a way to get the answer you seek. MLT's quite a public character, especially with his charity events, pop along, and ask him. It will be off the record, it won't be publishable but maybe you'll get what you seek and understanding may well follow when the context becomes better understood.

 

Otherwise, you face a dliemna. You have the right to ask the question. Unfortunately, for many, they have either made a judgement or let it go as part of the "Strange set of Circumstances" that got us to where we are today. Do you pass down the road to darkness the cartoon character filling his pen with poison and frustration each morning as the story fades? or do you take the step to find the actual answer by understanding that it won't be public, it won't be publishable, it won't be provable? But it will tell you why, and it will tell you in your own way that you were right, but not in the "Told you so way". That, sometimes can be more despairing than the route of the poisoned pen!

 

(Which was a DP way of saying 19C - you made your point, it has registered but you ain't gonna get what you seek so give it a rest)[/QUOTE]

 

Phil, I'll give a rest the day you stop littering your posts with details of how well travelled you are. I take my hat off to you that you managed to get the Heathrow Duty Free shop into your post, getting tedious.

 

Who said anything about the 'press'? Surely all FF and his co-collaboraters would need is a publisher and wouldn't they want to understand your contribution or is that the real issue? You were not a winner?

 

Apologies, but I find your tone a little sanctimonious and recently increasingly so in your other unconnected posts that I have read. Everyone has a right to their own opinion without being told to give it a rest by someone who fundamentally doesn't agree with them but beyond which has no more justification to make the request, especially as a winner in my very humble opinion.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Do not bother he always speaks half decent and then slips back into his real agenda

 

One day Mike you will provide me with an argument instead of your predictably glib and brief reponse. Ironically, it's fans like you who I feel I have most in common with and have no doubt would enjoy your company even if the feelings aren't mutual!

[Greenridge]

This thread is the perfect antedote for anyone suffering from somniphobia

 

[Nineteen Canteen]

This thread is the perfect antedote for anyone suffering from somniphobia

 

 

 

Certainly not the place by those paralysed by the fear of the unknown or xenophobes for that matter.

[Greenridge]

This thread is the perfect antedote for anyone suffering from somniphobia

 

 

 

Certainly not the place by those paralysed by the fear of the unknown or xenophobes for that matter.

 

How would you like the thread to conclude SunnyD? It's been running since 3rd week of September and here we are mid October and you still seem keen to keep it in the limelight. Seems the rights, wrongs, whys, whats and wherefores have been discussed ad nauseam. What else is there to discuss, genuinely?

Edited 12 October, 2009 by Greenridge

[trousers]

[70's Mike]

One day Mike you will provide me with an argument instead of your predictably glib and brief reponse. Ironically, it's fans like you who I feel I have most in common with and have no doubt would enjoy your company even if the feelings aren't mutual!

 

there is no argument you always have to bring up Crouch and Lawrie whenever your posts get long winded

[beatlesaint]

Just popped into this thread.......is this guy 19C STILL going on about this FFS ?

[Wes Tender]

Just popped into this thread.......is this guy 19C STILL going on about this FFS ?

 

Yes, it was a juicy little titbit, but it's been sucked drier than a corpse at a vampire's convention, hasn't it?

 

I suspect that the reason that it continues is that there is little else to talk about on here apart from football matters, which is after all the main reason for the existence of this forum and others like it. Things were much more exciting when the club was run by incompetent amateurs, but they have all gone and have been replaced by professionals with ability and financial clout. They have not put a foot wrong since they arrived.

 

Even appointing Pardew raised one or two eyebrows, but again, after a faltering start entirely excusable by most sensible posters considering the circumstances of our plight, he has steadied the ship, addressed our shortcomings and looks like he has stopped the rot and turned us around. He has replaced most of the team and again seems to have been spot on in the players he has selected and also the appointments of his backroom team look good too. Even players here from the previous regime who were worth a moan for lack of ability or effort, have begun to shine and look decent players.

 

So no real point in moaning much recently about the owners, the manager or the players. Even the skates seem to have become less of a joke now that the fake Sheik has sold out to somebody who might have two bob to rub together and Avram Grant is somebody hard to poke fun at since he proved a very good manager at Chelski. What else is there apart from the football match by match? Even then, it is inevitable that there will be differences of opinion, win or lose, but so what? Even if we have a gripe about one or two players, Pardew is likely to agree and replace them, or get them to improve.

 

It's becoming very much less controversial and therefore more boring on here.

[SaintRobbie]

Just popped into this thread.......is this guy 19C STILL going on about this FFS ?

 

I just can't understand why he is allowed to ontinue to post. Is it because he just comes back with YET ANOTHER user name and so the mods are bored banning him?

 

Can we just keep Saints fans on this forum?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Oi !!! nineteen you nutter;)

 

Matt`s back=D>