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Saw Le Tissier in town today and he was pushing a pram with a little one in. Has his missus had a kid recently? That would explain why he's not been on Sky Sports.

 

Maybe but I guess he doesn't actually do a 40 hour week so hardly a prime candidate for paternal leave. Nice excuse and opportunity to leave the house for 1 day a week as no doubt research can be done from home.

 

Did he mention on his introduction as to why he had been absent or was it just coincidence the CPS' decision coincided with the birth of his daughter?

 

I have been away for a few days so missed the programme and more guttingly our 4-1 win so would be nice to know if anything was mentioned. Given the circumstances I think MLT coming back onto our screens he at least owes the fans an explanation. Fern Britten admitted she had a gastric band fitted live on air a deceit far worse than MLT's IMO so at least a comment on the real truth behind the betting scam should be given back on the radio shows he originally was on to plug the book.

 

IMO he seems to be trying to draw a line in the sand without any commitment on his part to make it permanent and as a result the questions will surely remain, won't they? Sad indictment on his character for which he appears to show little contrition IMO. Surely as Saints fans and fans of MLT who purchased his book in good faith and supported him throughout his career we deserve an explanation and an apology in any event if the story was in fact true or fabricated.

 

Did we get that explanation and apology on Saturday and I perhaps missed it?

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Yes, he made a fulsome apology and even addressed it to you, Nineteen, as he acknowledged that you had been entirely correct in calling for the apology on behalf of all those fans who had bought his book. He admitted that he had been remiss in not putting matters straight earlier and that it was because his conscience was troubling him to the extent that he could not sleep at night, that he had decided to make a clean breast of things.

 

It really is a pity that you had missed it all. ;)

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Yes, he made a fulsome apology and even addressed it to you, Nineteen, as he acknowledged that you had been entirely correct in calling for the apology on behalf of all those fans who had bought his book. He admitted that he had been remiss in not putting matters straight earlier and that it was because his conscience was troubling him to the extent that he could not sleep at night, that he had decided to make a clean breast of things.

 

It really is a pity that you had missed it all. ;)

 

I know - the bit where he broke down in tears was heart rending.

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Saw Le Tissier in town today and he was pushing a pram with a little one in. Has his missus had a kid recently? That would explain why he's not been on Sky Sports.

 

Yeah my Dad walked round a corner in West Quay and nearly clattered a pushchair, just jumping out the way in time, and he looked up to say sorry and it was Le Tiss. Would probably explain it yeah.

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I've never liked Fern Brittain...

 

Certainly not now. Lose the plumpy bits and gain lots of skin. Still, another example of a person in the public eye who lost a lot of credibility by telling lies and waiting until after the Press got hold of it. Still at least she had the 'balls' to explain herself and I'm surprised Sky has allowed MLT to creep back in without comment.

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Certainly not now. Lose the plumpy bits and gain lots of skin. Still, another example of a person in the public eye who lost a lot of credibility by telling lies and waiting until after the Press got hold of it. Still at least she had the 'balls' to explain herself and I'm surprised Sky has allowed MLT to creep back in without comment.

 

Why dont you do us all a favour and in the nicest sense of the words GO AWAY! Matty is probably the best saints player ever and I dont see what youre hoping to achieve by slagging him off all the time. He made a silly mistake I agree, but he has also saved this club single handidly with pure genius. I prefer to think about seeing the best most loyal footballer I have ever seen than one stupid mistake and one muppet on here going on about it all the time.

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and I dont see what youre hoping to achieve by slagging him off all the time.

 

 

You do Roger, just take a look at this thread and you see why we have moved from McMenemy to Le Tiss, attention seeking and stirring, and fair play to the man it works a treat.

You want a reaction, you pick a subject close to Saints fans hearts, throw a few comments in and away you go, job done

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Certainly not now. Lose the plumpy bits and gain lots of skin. Still, another example of a person in the public eye who lost a lot of credibility by telling lies and waiting until after the Press got hold of it. Still at least she had the 'balls' to explain herself and I'm surprised Sky has allowed MLT to creep back in without comment.

 

19C, did he not explain what has happened in the serialisation of the book? He explained he knew it was wrong, and he shouldn't have done it, so what else need he apologise for? If he was held out of SSN, then that was a programme decision, so any sort of awkward situation wouldn't appear, surely.

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You do Roger, just take a look at this thread and you see why we have moved from McMenemy to Le Tiss, attention seeking and stirring, and fair play to the man it works a treat.

You want a reaction, you pick a subject close to Saints fans hearts, throw a few comments in and away you go, job done

 

Indeed, which has often made me think 19 C is a Pompey plant or a bitter friend of Lowe... or both! :)

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19C, did he not explain what has happened in the serialisation of the book? He explained he knew it was wrong, and he shouldn't have done it, so what else need he apologise for? If he was held out of SSN, then that was a programme decision, so any sort of awkward situation wouldn't appear, surely.

 

DPS a sensible reponse to my reasonable question. I agree he did explain it in the book but now upon investigation it seems he could not have committed the alleged betting scam in the game he mentions as it was not live on TV. However, the police did go to the CPS which suggests IMO something was amiss.

 

All I want to know was the story made up to boost sales or did it actually happen and maybe the game was changed to protect those involved, otherwise why did the Police not simply write it off as a work of fiction?

 

Either way to those who bought the book and those who didn't I think we deserve an explantion and doesn't Sky's decision to seemingly ignore it actually increase the awkardness long term as oppose to simply making a statement and moving on.

 

MLT explained he shouldn't have done it but what exactly in hindsight has he done? Why can't he tell us or are the booksellers going to move his book to the fiction section?

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DPS a sensible reponse to my reasonable question. I agree he did explain it in the book but now upon investigation it seems he could not have committed the alleged betting scam in the game he mentions as it was not live on TV. However, the police did go to the CPS which suggests IMO something was amiss.

 

All I want to know was the story made up to boost sales or did it actually happen and maybe the game was changed to protect those involved, otherwise why did the Police not simply write it off as a work of fiction?

 

Either way to those who bought the book and those who didn't I think we deserve an explantion and doesn't Sky's decision to seemingly ignore it actually increase the awkardness long term as oppose to simply making a statement and moving on.

 

MLT explained he shouldn't have done it but what exactly in hindsight has he done? Why can't he tell us or are the booksellers going to move his book to the fiction section?

 

Because we dont care as we are fans of Southampton FC?

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Why dont you do us all a favour and in the nicest sense of the words GO AWAY! Matty is probably the best saints player ever and I dont see what youre hoping to achieve by slagging him off all the time. He made a silly mistake I agree, but he has also saved this club single handidly with pure genius. I prefer to think about seeing the best most loyal footballer I have ever seen than one stupid mistake and one muppet on here going on about it all the time.

 

There is a difference between slagging someone off and trying to establish if they are the person you thought they were. Sporting greatness is one thing but personal integrity is everything and whilst we all make mistakes we should also be accountable for them and so all I would like is for MLT to give us an explanation as to how the events of this story have unravelled since the book was published and what actually is the truth.

 

Hard to comprehend?

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There is a difference between slagging someone off and trying to establish if they are the person you thought they were. Sporting greatness is one thing but personal integrity is everything and whilst we all make mistakes we should also be accountable for them and so all I would like is for MLT to give us an explanation as to how the events of this story have unravelled since the book was published and what actually is the truth.

 

Hard to comprehend?

 

Hard to be bothered about it when you're talking about a Southampton great.

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There is a difference between slagging someone off and trying to establish if they are the person you thought they were. Sporting greatness is one thing but personal integrity is everything and whilst we all make mistakes we should also be accountable for them and so all I would like is for MLT to give us an explanation as to how the events of this story have unravelled since the book was published and what actually is the truth.

 

Hard to comprehend?

 

I think you are probably the only one who cares about it so much that you want this and I doubt he would come out and do a press conference just for you.

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With respect it should make you care more and I don't appreciate being taken for granted by one of my sporting heros. All I want is the truth maybe you can't handle it Robbie.

 

All I want is to support my club, now that we have it back after Lowe was humiliatingly removed and his plc destroyed forever.

 

Heroes are heroes. MLT will always be one, out of interest when were you thinking of starting the 'Ted Bates was a Adolf Hitler's illegitimate son' thread?

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I think you are probably the only one who cares about it so much that you want this and I doubt he would come out and do a press conference just for you.

 

Ask yourself why he is the only 'fan' who cares about this and continually slags of people like Lawrie Mac et al.

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All I want is to support my club, now that we have it back after Lowe was humiliatingly removed and his plc destroyed forever.

 

Heroes are heroes. MLT will always be one, out of interest when were you thinking of starting the 'Ted Bates was a Adolf Hitler's illegitimate son' thread?

 

Hes obsessed with slagging anyone who opposed the train wreck of a former failed chairman lowe!!

 

I hoped all the loweites would have vanished like our championship status under the dutch duo..sadly sundunce/flashman or whatever mr bipolar calls himself is still here.

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Hes obsessed with slagging anyone who opposed the train wreck of a former failed chairman lowe!!

 

I hoped all the loweites would have vanished like our championship status under the dutch duo..sadly sundunce/flashman or whatever mr bipolar calls himself is still here.

 

The pain of humiliation and denial of the past is hard to take for some eejits though Freemantle. Still, at least 99% of us know that the pathetic junk they post is irrelevant and driven by denial of the facts.

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With respect it should make you care more and I don't appreciate being taken for granted by one of my sporting heros. All I want is the truth maybe you can't handle it Robbie.

 

he told the truth in his book and you could not handle it.

must be great to be perfect

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Even when you have 19C on your ignore list - the only poster I have ever done it to - he still keeps turning up when people quote him !!

 

To question MLT's personal integrity is ludicrous. Question the integrity of some unsrupulus individuals who have waltzed into this club and raped it of its dignity, pride and passion by all means.....I'm sure we can all think of one......but to question one whose loyalty has been exempt and beyond reproach is pathetic.

 

Of course 95% of posters on this forum will guess the person I have in mind in the above paragraph......yet 19C will never speak a word against him.....i wonder why ?

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Even when you have 19C on your ignore list - the only poster I have ever done it to - he still keeps turning up when people quote him !!

 

To question MLT's personal integrity is ludicrous. Question the integrity of some unsrupulus individuals who have waltzed into this club and raped it of its dignity, pride and passion by all means.....I'm sure we can all think of one......but to question one whose loyalty has been exempt and beyond reproach is pathetic.

 

Of course 95% of posters on this forum will guess the person I have in mind in the above paragraph......yet 19C will never speak a word against him.....i wonder why ?

 

The question remains unanswered but had Lowe or perhaps even Burley in the latter stages of his role had been involved in some highly questionable event then they would have been rightly castigated. MLT's past reputation does not give him immunity from being challenged over his actions or the arrogance to not afford us an explanation to the obvious questions this has raised. Press conferences are not required just a round of media interviews that he used to plug the book in the first place.

 

IMO not a great year professionaly at least for MLT or Lowe and both have questions to answer and both have avoided the questions but only one has the arrogance to keep their head above the parapet without any comment, following a 3 week absence. Arrogant, as it seems to me his sole defence seems to rest allegedly that the CPS decided not to go ahead because it was not a good use of a presumably already stretched police force and therefore not in the public interests. IMO that is not the same as not having a case to answer and yet we are led to believe the bet could not have taken place on the game in question as it was not televised live. Based on what we know does this stack up? It doesn't IMO and had it been someone less liked than MLT I am guessing the dogs would be barking for all they're which IMO smacks of an imbalance in reasoning and a case of misguided closure of ranks.

 

So we have many questions of MLT as well as Lowe in a less than glorious year and perhaps the latter may publish a book one day to tell his story. What we can't do is suspend our right to challenge and past heros cannot simply trade off their glory days without forging new and respected careers as past reputations can tarnish quicker than silver plate if not nurtured.

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The question remains unanswered but had Lowe or perhaps even Burley in the latter stages of his role had been involved in some highly questionable event then they would have been rightly castigated. MLT's past reputation does not give him immunity from being challenged over his actions or the arrogance to not afford us an explanation to the obvious questions this has raised. Press conferences are not required just a round of media interviews that he used to plug the book in the first place.

 

IMO not a great year professionaly at least for MLT or Lowe and both have questions to answer and both have avoided the questions but only one has the arrogance to keep their head above the parapet without any comment, following a 3 week absence. Arrogant, as it seems to me his sole defence seems to rest allegedly that the CPS decided not to go ahead because it was not a good use of a presumably already stretched police force and therefore not in the public interests. IMO that is not the same as not having a case to answer and yet we are led to believe the bet could not have taken place on the game in question as it was not televised live. Based on what we know does this stack up? It doesn't IMO and had it been someone less liked than MLT I am guessing the dogs would be barking for all they're which IMO smacks of an imbalance in reasoning and a case of misguided closure of ranks.

 

So we have many questions of MLT as well as Lowe in a less than glorious year and perhaps the latter may publish a book one day to tell his story. What we can't do is suspend our right to challenge and past heros cannot simply trade off their glory days without forging new and respected careers as past reputations can tarnish quicker than silver plate if not nurtured.

 

I ....no one else cares

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No one cares on this thread., agreed. I'm sure in the wider community I can't be the only one who has some unresolved questions over the whole, and somewhat, bizarre episode.

 

Then, good sir, you must walk the Parish and canvas opinion, after which you may submit your most learned findings to the Royal Society.

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No one cares on this thread., agreed. I'm sure in the wider community I can't be the only one who has some unresolved questions over the whole, and somewhat, bizarre episode.[/QUOTE]

 

True, Sundance Beast etc etc also care, but Saints fans don't.

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he told the truth in his book and you could not handle it.

must be great to be perfect

 

Mike is that not open to question now if the bet could not have allegedly been placed on the game in question? If he lied about the scam or the actual game could he have lied about anything else?

 

Before I handle it, I would like it verified in light of recent events. I'm sure you would be the same in any other aspect of your daily life so why let your judgement be clouded on this occassion. Does MLT's past reputation prevent him from pulling the wool over your eyes? We would like to think so but the reality may be different allegedly.

 

Is it not a bit like the credit crunch where we still believe we can trade off our impeccable credit records and firmly believe we can but find the friendlly reputable banks have changed the rules to suit their own mistakes/agenda? Do you accept their truth? IMO past reputations count for nothing if they are not maintained and people rightly or wrongly are judged by their actions in the here and now.

 

IMO MLT has made a misjudgement in not providing an explanation to his fans and the wilder football community, preferably via the same media processes he used to sell his book in the first place.

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So man who does something over 10 years ago should face public prosecution over what he said he did? Despite no one caring apart from a few Pompey fans who probably registered complaint.

 

You think he gets off lightly? Would there be any publicity if it was someone like David Howells? And should you not be more livid about Bruce Grobbelar and his time at Saints?

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Then, good sir, you must walk the Parish and canvas opinion, after which you may submit your most learned findings to the Royal Society.

 

I think I will prefer to wait until MLT takes dessert.

 

In the meantime my learned friend I thought you might enjoy some late evening poetry.

 

Humility is only doubt

And does the sun and moon blot out

Rooting over the thorns and stems

The buried soul and all its gems

This life's dim wondows of the soul

Distorts the heavens from pole to pole

And leads you to believe a lie

When you see with and not through the eye.

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So man who does something over 10 years ago should face public prosecution over what he said he did? Despite no one caring apart from a few Pompey fans who probably registered complaint.

 

You think he gets off lightly? Would there be any publicity if it was someone like David Howells? And should you not be more livid about Bruce Grobbelar and his time at Saints?

 

Or was it a few weeks ago when he published his book with a story that allegedly didn't seem to stand up to the closest scrutiny but his account still was put forward to the CPS? I'm not livid just disappointed because I'm not sure if MLT is being honest on either count - did he or didn't he? Having bought his book in good faith then it would be nice if he clarified the facts about what was written.

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