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Still plenty of tickets for their next 5 games... infact prices have been slashed for the next 5 games, tickets available for £20 ( cheaper than ours! ) and kids for £5! which included Tottenham Hotspur... all games are now on general sale ( despite them having a mahooooosive support )

 

Only 16,000 sold for their game against Everton on the weekend.

 

Meanwhile, Southampton are currently averaging more per game than our sooper dooper neighbours.

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Well as our stadium holds 32.5k and theirs only 19.5k it should really shouldnt it?

 

Not necessarily, if we were getting an average of say 19k & they were getting full houses every game then theirs would be higher than ours. At the moment they can't even fill a 19.5k capacity stadium, what hope they'd have in a 32k i don't know!

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The few blue will get fewer by the week as their fickle fans, many of whom popped up after their promotion to the Premiership or their lucky FA cup win decide they don't enjoy watching their team lose, and rather than supporting a club through thick and thin like many Southampton fans, they decide to go and support Man Utd or something. Probable fact.

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Well as our stadium holds 32.5k and theirs only 19.5k it should really shouldnt it?

 

fartton's capacity is actually just under 21,000, so far this season they've averaged about 15,000 'home' fans, so doesn'y really matter whether you've got 4,000 or 10,000 empty seats it aint stopping more going. Most would expect a Premier League clubs to get far higher attendances then League One clubs (particularly those cut adrift at the bottom).

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fartton's capacity is actually just under 21,000, so far this season they've averaged about 15,000 'home' fans, so doesn'y really matter whether you've got 4,000 or 10,000 empty seats it aint stopping more going. Most would expect a Premier League clubs to get far higher attendances then League One clubs (particularly those cut adrift at the bottom).

 

Yes but there are other factors.....ticket prices for the Prem and if you look at the Skates ST prices compared to ours you can see why ...although I agree as mentioned above the JCL's have started to drift.

I worked in North Harbour IBM for a few years and the change was amazing when they started to do well.

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/frattonlatest/Taylor-Falling-Fratton-attendances-a.5634138.jp

 

And Taylor, right, who racked up 29 goals in 203 Pompey games during his five-and-a-half years on the south coast, is worried the legendary Fratton faithful are losing interest.

 

:D

 

Now for some reality:

 

Average attendances

1989-90: 5,325

1990-91: 9,681

1991-92: 8,789

1992-93: 9,706

1993-94: 7,692

1994-95: 8,629

1995-96: 9,503

1996-97: 8,723

1997-98: 11,149

1998-99: 11,956

1999-00: 13,906

2000-01: 13,707

2001-02: 15,121

2002-03: 18,934

2003-04: 20,108

2004-05: 20,072

2005-06: 19,840

2006-07: 19,862

2007-08: 20,438

2008-09: 19,829

 

Woooooo what a massive club.

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StuRomseySaint

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Yes but there are other factors.....ticket prices for the Prem and if you look at the Skates ST prices compared to ours you can see why ...although I agree as mentioned above the JCL's have started to drift.

I worked in North Harbour IBM for a few years and the change was amazing when they started to do well.

 

But for their next 6 games are priced similar to ours.

 

Tickets available behind the goal compare like this...

 

Adult Skate - £20

Adult Saint - £22

 

U16 Skate - £5

U16 Saint - £10 ( Under 12's £5 )

 

Now we have an even playing field with regards to price... even though we are 2 leagues below them.

 

Let's see if they sell out at them prices, if they don't then it is case closed.

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Well as our stadium holds 32.5k and theirs only 19.5k it should really shouldnt it?

 

not really.

 

19.5 is an excellent average for a league one side - so if we better that we have done well - and shown we are well supported.

 

19.5 is a poor crowd for a premiership, if a club falls short of that capacity they are poorly supported.

 

Capacity is only relevant when the ground is full.

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couple of their posters posted in the lounge that they were better supported.

 

better supported than Eastleigh maybe!

 

funnily enough not seen them since all average attendances, and us getting more in league 1 than they do in prem have shown them to be a very poorly supported club.

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/frattonlatest/Taylor-Falling-Fratton-attendances-a.5634138.jp

 

And Taylor, right, who racked up 29 goals in 203 Pompey games during his five-and-a-half years on the south coast, is worried the legendary Fratton faithful are losing interest.

 

:D

 

Now for some reality:

 

Average attendances

1989-90: 5,325

1990-91: 9,681

1991-92: 8,789

1992-93: 9,706

1993-94: 7,692

1994-95: 8,629

1995-96: 9,503

1996-97: 8,723

1997-98: 11,149

1998-99: 11,956

1999-00: 13,906

2000-01: 13,707

2001-02: 15,121

2002-03: 18,934

2003-04: 20,108

2004-05: 20,072

2005-06: 19,840

2006-07: 19,862

2007-08: 20,438

2008-09: 19,829

 

Woooooo what a massive club.

 

 

At the risk of being a nerd, is that average crowd for 1992/93 correct?

 

I remember being a student at Southampton Uni at the time and went to 3 or 4 games at Fratton in the away end to support the opposition, and vaguely recall it being the season that Corporal Guy got about 50 goals and they did get a few 20,000 plus crowds as they pushed for automatic promotion to the Prem but comically farked it up after getting a thrashing at Roker Park at the end of the season.

 

Would have expected their average that season to be nearer 15,000; if I'm wrong then fair do's and apologies.

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At the risk of being a nerd, is that average crowd for 1992/93 correct?

 

I remember being a student at Southampton Uni at the time and went to 3 or 4 games at Fratton in the away end to support the opposition, and vaguely recall it being the season that Corporal Guy got about 50 goals and they did get a few 20,000 plus crowds as they pushed for automatic promotion to the Prem but comically farked it up after getting a thrashing at Roker Park at the end of the season.

 

Would have expected their average that season to be nearer 15,000; if I'm wrong then fair do's and apologies.

 

I too thought these figures looked a bit low, so (and I admit I am a nerd) I checked them out on European Football Statistics.co.uk and it looks like Pat from Poole got them wrong

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I hope everyone reminds them that this Saturday is the 9th anniversary (26th Sept 2000) of a certain First Team fixture (league cup) against Blackburn (dunn,duff etc) , where the attendance figure at FP that night was 2,731.

 

It is always nice to be reminded of of important dates in a clubs history.

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Brilliant, the Blue Few must been ****ting it evertime this chancer opens his gob. If he doesn't invest in the team and keep them up, he'll be eroding the infrastructure!

 

Building foundations?! Does he hope to take them down to Non-League and then build from there?!

 

They are in a world of sh!t, and I will watching each step with pleasure after all the stick we've had for our demise...

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Still plenty of tickets for their next 5 games... infact prices have been slashed for the next 5 games, tickets available for £20 ( cheaper than ours! ) and kids for £5! which included Tottenham Hotspur... all games are now on general sale ( despite them having a mahooooosive support )

 

Only 16,000 sold for their game against Everton on the weekend.

 

Meanwhile, Southampton are currently averaging more per game than our sooper dooper neighbours.

 

I know this has become a bit of an obsession with you Stuey but at least get your facts right and stop twisting the truth. The Everton game at the weekend isn't included in the cut price ticket offer. The games that offer cover are Wigan, Burnley, Birmingham, Sunderland, Stoke, Hull, Blackburn and Wolves. So the Everton and Tottenham games aren't included. Not only that, the £20 offer you mention only applies to the home section of the Milton (away) end and nowhere else in the ground.

 

The few blue will get fewer by the week as their fickle fans, many of whom popped up after their promotion to the Premiership or their lucky FA cup win decide they don't enjoy watching their team lose, and rather than supporting a club through thick and thin like many Southampton fans, they decide to go and support Man Utd or something. Probable fact.

 

That lucky FA Cup win that included an away victory at Old Trafford you mean? Give it up. We got the luck of the draw playing a lot of Championship teams in our cup run just like you did last time you reached the final but no-one can say it was plane sailing when we had to play man U away.

 

The 15k we had supporting through thick and thin last season?

 

Glad someone has a sense of perspective on here. Our crowds are down this year because fahim has sold all our best players and replaced them with poor quality alternatives and we've been asked to pay top whack to watch them. How strange that people should vote with their feet. You had a bad year last season and your crowds dipped. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

 

Now for some reality:

 

Average attendances

1989-90: 5,325

1990-91: 9,681

1991-92: 8,789

1992-93: 9,706

1993-94: 7,692

1994-95: 8,629

1995-96: 9,503

1996-97: 8,723

1997-98: 11,149

1998-99: 11,956

1999-00: 13,906

2000-01: 13,707

2001-02: 15,121

2002-03: 18,934

2003-04: 20,108

2004-05: 20,072

2005-06: 19,840

2006-07: 19,862

2007-08: 20,438

2008-09: 19,829

 

Woooooo what a massive club.

 

As some have already pointed out, some of these figures aren't correct. Not only that but the last few seasons stats (which are roughly correct according to the Euro Stats database - link attached) prove that, despite many on here claiming that we always thousands of empty seats every home game (and Crabby posting that attendances have dropped dramatically in the last couple of seasons) show that we average 96-97% sell out every home game across the season. So where are these thousands of empty seats you constantly tell me you saw at every home game last season? Or the season before?

 

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm

 

But for their next 6 games are priced similar to ours.

 

Tickets available behind the goal compare like this...

 

Adult Skate - £20

Adult Saint - £22

 

U16 Skate - £5

U16 Saint - £10 ( Under 12's £5 )

 

Now we have an even playing field with regards to price... even though we are 2 leagues below them.

 

Let's see if they sell out at them prices, if they don't then it is case closed.

 

Once again Stuey, get your facts right. As I've already pointed out, the £20 offer only applies to the home section of the Milton End and the £5 kids ticket only applies to that section if the kid is accompanied.

 

For the Fratton (home) end, Adult tickets are £38 (73% more expensive than your comparable tickets) and kids are £20 (100% more expensive than yours.) Those prices also apply for the eight games I mentioned above apart from the upper North stand where for those 8 games Adults are £30 and kids £15.

 

Nice attempt to twist the facts though Stuey but I wonder how many you'd get through the gates paying £38 a time to watch Bolton, Hull, Wigan etc.

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Glad someone has a sense of perspective on here. Our crowds are down this year because fahim has sold all our best players and replaced them with poor quality alternatives and we've been asked to pay top whack to watch them. How strange that people should vote with their feet. You had a bad year last season and your crowds dipped. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

 

For the Fratton (home) end, Adult tickets are £38 (73% more expensive than your comparable tickets) and kids are £20 (100% more expensive than yours.) Those prices also apply for the eight games I mentioned above apart from the upper North stand where for those 8 games Adults are £30 and kids £15.

 

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PL ,top flight football, you are sleeping giants and should easily sell the tickets.

It is no use pointing to costs of tickets as when we were in the PL our tickets were highly inflated compared to lower league clubs.

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This attendance argument is ridiculous.

 

Firstly, let me 100% assure you in no uncertain terms that there is no way the 1989/90 figure is correct. I was a season ticket holder back then and I can guarantee you that figure is wrong. I have only ever been at FP once when the gate was sub 6k.

 

The all time average for both clubs is virtually identical (Pompey’s is slightly higher). This is a fact. Both clubs thru the years have been equally as well (or as bad) supported.

 

Of course, there have been varying circumstances that have led to either club having lower or higher attendance. At the moment Pompeys era could be compared to Saints when Branfoot and co were in. Currently Saints support looks better. Agreed. A new stadium does do that. Even Reading who could barely attract 3k to Elm park get 18k in the lower reaches of the championship.

 

Pompey benefited from a run at the top of the game when attendances were generally higher. Saints had a longer sustained run in the Prem when Pompey were in the lower reaches. There has been times when Pompey have been less supported and times when Saints have been less supported.

 

I would say that Saints attendances have been more steady. 40 odd years in the top flight then followed by a new stadium is bound to have that affect. The new stadium has negated the loss of top flight status. Pompey’s has been more up and down. However the fact is both clubs have virtually the same all time average.

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I see on the Skates OS that they still have 3000 tickets available for the Everton game.

 

I was also surprised to see that they are still showing last years table on their home page for some reason. This is a bit of revisionism that Stalin would have blushed at!

 

I think our previous regimes missed a trick here. Perhaps attendances would have been better if we had the 83/84 season final table on our web-site.

 

Hope trading standards don't find out, as a fine for false advertising might send Pompey under.

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This attendance argument is ridiculous.

 

Firstly, let me 100% assure you in no uncertain terms that there is no way the 1989/90 figure is correct. I was a season ticket holder back then and I can guarantee you that figure is wrong. I have only ever been at FP once when the gate was sub 6k.

 

The all time average for both clubs is virtually identical (Pompey’s is slightly higher). This is a fact. Both clubs thru the years have been equally as well (or as bad) supported.

 

Of course, there have been varying circumstances that have led to either club having lower or higher attendance. At the moment Pompeys era could be compared to Saints when Branfoot and co were in. Currently Saints support looks better. Agreed. A new stadium does do that. Even Reading who could barely attract 3k to Elm park get 18k in the lower reaches of the championship.

 

Pompey benefited from a run at the top of the game when attendances were generally higher. Saints had a longer sustained run in the Prem when Pompey were in the lower reaches. There has been times when Pompey have been less supported and times when Saints have been less supported.

 

I would say that Saints attendances have been more steady. 40 odd years in the top flight then followed by a new stadium is bound to have that affect. The new stadium has negated the loss of top flight status. Pompey’s has been more up and down. However the fact is both clubs have virtually the same all time average.

Good post imo, I suspect I will get slated for that.

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Good post imo, I suspect I will get slated for that.

 

The case is not about period of time but league status.Pompey are a sleeping giant , remember, they are in the top flight and are having to give tickets away!! I understand why with finances etc but as they are such a big outfit surely it is not unfair to question why they can only get 15k to turn up.

I still have to have an answer from Ho about his s/t post.There he said that they would get more than last seasons 13.5k.

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Good post imo, I suspect I will get slated for that.

 

I think it may be to do with the skates, banging on for decades, about what fantatic support they have and how they'd pack out grounds, sleeping giants etc......

 

The proof of the pudding is that in a small ground they struggle to sell out and end up giving them away to kids.

 

Maybe that should just accept the stark reality that they are just a middle sized provincial club and that no one outside of Hampshire gives a fat rat's arse about them.

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This attendance argument is ridiculous.

 

Firstly, let me 100% assure you in no uncertain terms that there is no way the 1989/90 figure is correct. I was a season ticket holder back then and I can guarantee you that figure is wrong. I have only ever been at FP once when the gate was sub 6k.

 

The all time average for both clubs is virtually identical (Pompey’s is slightly higher). This is a fact. Both clubs thru the years have been equally as well (or as bad) supported.

 

Of course, there have been varying circumstances that have led to either club having lower or higher attendance. At the moment Pompeys era could be compared to Saints when Branfoot and co were in. Currently Saints support looks better. Agreed. A new stadium does do that. Even Reading who could barely attract 3k to Elm park get 18k in the lower reaches of the championship.

 

Pompey benefited from a run at the top of the game when attendances were generally higher. Saints had a longer sustained run in the Prem when Pompey were in the lower reaches. There has been times when Pompey have been less supported and times when Saints have been less supported.

 

I would say that Saints attendances have been more steady. 40 odd years in the top flight then followed by a new stadium is bound to have that affect. The new stadium has negated the loss of top flight status. Pompey’s has been more up and down. However the fact is both clubs have virtually the same all time average.

 

 

 

if there was an argument or debate about it, you would be correct in saying it is ridiculous.

 

Fortunately there is no debate to be had.

 

You have had poor average attendances for all of my lifetime (and I am not young!).

 

We have had about three home wins in the last 12 months, and am on minus points in the 3rd division and yet are beating your crowds in the premiership, despite you giving away 1,000s of tickets etc.

 

You are one of the poorest supported clubs in top two divisions.

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I think it may be to do with the skates, banging on for decades, about what fantatic support they have and how they'd pack out grounds, sleeping giants etc......

 

The proof of the pudding is that in a small ground they struggle to sell out and end up giving them away to kids.

 

Maybe that should just accept the stark reality that they are just a middle sized provincial club and that no one outside of Hampshire gives a fat rat's arse about them.

 

See that's just it...now most of the skates wouldn't know anything about this as they've only been around for 5 or 6 years, but on the build-up to their promotion back to the top-flight in '87 all we got was how "massive" they were (probably blame Dinenage for constantly feeding their delusion) and what was about to be unleashed onto the world!

 

That season, the momentous moment they'd all been waiting so long for (fartton held around 30,000 back then) they averaged around 17,000.

 

And during their 'golden era' (thanks to unusual circumstances) they boast of crowds of 40,000 and a record attendance of 51,000. The thing is their capacity at the time was 58,000 so they never filled the ground to capacity and this figure included thousands of locally based servicemen who were allowed in free-of-charge and no small number of Saints fans who travelled to fartton for the big games. There was no animosity back then - all their bitterness began to grow in the late 60s.

 

Don't thank me for the history lesson.

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See that's just it...now most of the skates wouldn't know anything about this as they've only been around for 5 or 6 years, but on the build-up to their promotion back to the top-flight in '87 all we got was how "massive" they were (probably blame Dinenage for constantly feeding their delusion) and what was about to be unleashed onto the world!

 

That season, the momentous moment they'd all been waiting so long for (fartton held around 30,000 back then) they averaged around 17,000.

 

And during their 'golden era' (thanks to unusual circumstances) they boast of crowds of 40,000 and a record attendance of 51,000. The thing is their capacity at the time was 58,000 so they never filled the ground to capacity and this figure included thousands of locally based servicemen who were allowed in free-of-charge and no small number of Saints fans who travelled to fartton for the big games. There was no animosity back then - all their bitterness began to grow in the late 60s.

 

Don't thank me for the history lesson.

 

Thanks for the history lesson - interesting stuff.

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