World cup bid

[Joesaint]

With what was said at the forum tonight, what does anyone think the chances of the council stepping in late (if pompy dont get a new ground or even plans) and would there be anything us loyal fans can do to try and get it, would be so so good and I'd feel soooo proud.

 

PS I know its a long shot but if NC is trying, good on the man.

 

PPS COYR

[Whitey Grandad]

With what was said at the forum tonight, what does anyone think the chances of the council stepping in late (if pompy dont get a new ground or even plans) and would there be anything us loyal fans can do to try and get it, would be so so good and I'd feel soooo proud.

 

PS I know its a long shot but if NC is trying, good on the man.

 

PPS COYR

Wouldn't the ground need expanding first? 42,000 or something?

[Saint_clark]

Wouldn't the ground need expanding first? 42,000 or something?

 

Yes, but if we WERE named as one of the grounds to be used we would be given a grant from the government towards it.

Grant, not a loan.

[Matthew Le God]

Wouldn't the ground need expanding first? 42,000 or something?

 

40,000 and wouldn't have to pay for the whole cost either as would get a grant.

[Ewell]

The way I understood it was it is Pompey's to lose and ours to gain if they fail to get planning permission and build a new ground.

 

We have missed the boat and considering what was going on last season then that is understandable. We had bigger priorities back then.

 

If Pompey fail then we will step in I don't think Cortese left us any doubt about that. At the moment though the ball is in unfortunately in their court!

[St. Jason]

Wouldn't the ground need expanding first? 42,000 or something?

 

Don't see why it'd need to be increased mate, we've held qualifiers here and I'm sure the sh1te down the road we're only looking to build a 35-37k stadium???

[Saint_clark]

I'm sure Pompey have already scrapped plans for a new stadium and just announced plans to rotate the stadium, expanding the two side stands.

[Matthew Le God]

The way I understood it was it is Pompey's to lose and ours to gain if they fail to get planning permission and build a new ground.

 

We have missed the boat and considering what was going on last season then that is understandable. We had bigger priorities back then.

 

If Pompey fail then we will step in I don't think Cortese left us any doubt about that. At the moment though the ball is in unfortunately in their court!

 

Bristol and Plymouth have also bid so Pompey not the only "South" bid. Unless they are the South West bid and Portsmouth/Southampton the South East non London bid.

[Saint_clark]

Bristol and Plymouth have also bid so Pompey not the only "South" bid.

 

Aren't they classed as South West?

I'm sure it is, the FA wanted to spread the games as far as possible.

EDIT: should have waited a minute or so

[Saint_Jonny]

I'd imagine the FA would sooner help us add 8000 odd seats than give pompey a whacking great percentage to build a whole new ground. Wasnt it like £30m to up SMS to 55k? 42k odd would be fine for the w/c pool games so building on just the kingsland, what... 15 / 20 mil£ at the most?

 

Yes I know this is all merely fantasy but the way its going down the road you never know.

[Whitey Grandad]

Don't see why it'd need to be increased mate, we've held qualifiers here and I'm sure the sh1te down the road we're only looking to build a 35-37k stadium???

It's something to do with FIFA regualtions, and sh!t. 40,000 for the groups and 60,000 for the semi-finals.

[This Charming Man]

Don't see why it'd need to be increased mate, we've held qualifiers here and I'm sure the sh1te down the road we're only looking to build a 35-37k stadium???

 

Stadiums have to be a certain capacity to be used in the world cup. I think 42,000 is the minimum.

[St. Jason]

It's something to do with FIFA regualtions, and sh!t. 40,000 for the groups and 60,000 for the semi-finals.

 

I see, but we'd get a grant by the sounds of it, win win situation!!!

[Saint_Jonny]

Stadiums have to be a certain capacity to be used in the world cup. I think 42,000 is the minimum.

 

the mighty wiki says 40k

[Matthew Le God]

Stadiums have to be a certain capacity to be used in the world cup. I think 42,000 is the minimum.

 

Nope its 40,000

[Joesaint]

I'm sure Pompey have already scrapped plans for a new stadium and just announced plans to rotate the stadium, expanding the two side stands.

 

If things keep on going against pompy ie. like now, and they do go down, do you think the non doc would be able to find investment to build somthing, just think how much money he would need as well as having a team to play in the championship, this I feel is big big money and def not a short term investment wich is really what they need.

 

I'm just saying it would be very helpfull if we were ready, and i'm sure SFC will be its just up to the city council so if they can have a statement to say to us, the tax payers that they will be, just incase.

 

COYR

[aintforever]

The way pompey are going they will be lucky to have a club let alone a new ground. Plus if they go down, with their poor support there will simply not be demand for a new ground.

 

A 40K stadium would be a complete white elephant in Plymouth or Bristol, Southampton is the logical venue - best location, most cost effective stadia and best transport links.

[docker-p]

It's with the City Council now.

So lets put a bit of pressure on those tossers.

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/thecouncil/thecouncil/organisation/city-councillors/list.asp

[Saint_clark]

It's with the City Council now.

So lets put a bit of pressure on those tossers.

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/thecouncil/thecouncil/organisation/city-councillors/list.asp

 

Good way to get them on board

[jawillwill]

We should expand it to 100,000 and give Wembely a run for it's money to get the final.

[Genk]

Can't see pompey expanding or building a new stadium once they get relegated and their new owner gives up because he realises he's wasted money.

 

So we would need 7,500 more seats. This could be achieved by just expanding the Kingland couldn't it? Itchen cannot be expanded am I right in believing?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

***** waiting for Pompey to sort themselves out ..... which will never happen. Pester the idiots at the council to get their collective fingers out and start dogging the FA about what a super stadium we already have..... I'm fed up of this city being done over by our neighbours LETS START THE FIGHT BACK!!!

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Can't see pompey expanding or building a new stadium once they get relegated and their new owner gives up because he realises he's wasted money.

 

So we would need 7,500 more seats. This could be achieved by just expanding the Kingland couldn't it? Itchen cannot be expanded am I right in believing?

 

.... We could also sort out the rail connection as well enhancing the credentials of our bid.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

It's with the City Council now.

So lets put a bit of pressure on those tossers.

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/thecouncil/thecouncil/organisation/city-councillors/list.asp

 

Who do we start pestering then docker - Is it still royston smith???

[John B]

I would prefer the club to invest in players to get us back into the Premiership than increasing the capacity of the Stadium.

 

 

Of course if we did get back to the Premiership that is a different story

[AussieDog]

Although long term (as in when we get to the Premiership!) it would be great to have a 40,000+ seater stadium, it would give us a soul-less atmosphere with only 20,000 or less in attendance. I have the misfortune of going to see Brisbane Roar play to 10,000 in a 52,000 stadium and it is sh!te. Not trying to sound pesimistic but is it worth gambling on it now? I'd settle for "putting up" with full houses of 32,000 every premiership game rather than risk a half empty stadium if we don't get there. If we get established again, then I don't think funding would be a particular problem anyway.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Although long term (as in when we get to the Premiership!) it would be great to have a 40,000+ seater stadium, it would give us a soul-less atmosphere with only 20,000 or less in attendance. I have the misfortune of going to see Brisbane Roar play to 10,000 in a 52,000 stadium and it is sh!te. Not trying to sound pesimistic but is it worth gambling on it now? I'd settle for "putting up" with full houses of 32,000 every premiership game rather than risk a half empty stadium if we don't get there. If we get established again, then I don't think funding would be a particular problem anyway.

 

The World Cup isn't until 2018..... the build will not need to start until about 2014 (maybe later) so WE WILL BE BACK IN THE PREMIER BY THEN!!!! As the man from guinness says... BELIEVE!

[John B]

The World Cup isn't until 2018..... the build will not need to start until about 2014 (maybe later) so WE WILL BE BACK IN THE PREMIER BY THEN!!!! As the man from guinness says... BELIEVE!

 

Yes but Guinness do have a decent product which has been around for 250 years

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Yes but Guinness do have a decent product which has been around for 250 years

 

24th September 2009...... Have a pint with Arthur!(and me as its my Birthday!!) Wondered why I like the black stuff so much!)

 

... By the Way The World Cup is a pretty massive product!!!

[Kingsland Codger]

But in order to expand the stadium and maybe improve the rail connection some super-cranes and other types of huge construction equipment would be required.

 

Where the heck could we get hold of some of those?

[John B]

24th September 2009...... Have a pint with Arthur!(and me as its my Birthday!!) Wondered why I like the black stuff so much!)

 

... By the Way The World Cup is a pretty massive product!!!

 

Yes but SFC at the moment is not unfortuntely

[Katalinic]

Yes but SFC at the moment is not unfortuntely

 

I have a feeling that you are decidedly a "Guinness glass half empty" kind of chap.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I have a feeling that you are decidedly a "Guinness glass half empty" kind of chap.

 

The worst kind of Guinness Glass!!!:smt031

[Danny]

The worst kind of Guinness Glass!!!:smt031

 

Empty is worse than half empty.

[Matthew Le God]

I would prefer the club to invest in players to get us back into the Premiership than increasing the capacity of the Stadium.

 

Alot of the cost wouldn't be paid by the club.

 

Also those saying we don't need a 40,000 ground in League One or the Championship need to remember that construction wouldn't need to take place until much closer to 2018 when hopefully we will be team wise in a much better position.

[krissyboy31]

Alot of the cost wouldn't be paid by the club.

 

Also those saying we don't need a 40,000 ground in League One or the Championship need to remember that construction wouldn't need to take place until much closer to 2018 when hopefully we will be team wise in a much better position.

 

Plus it would be a massive revenue earner for the club and for the city.

[aintforever]

Yes but SFC at the moment is not unfortuntely

 

Good things come to those who wait!

 

Also if hosting the World cup means some fort of funding from the FA it might not even be a gamble.

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

the only reason why the skates have bid for the world cup is because they need the grant from the government to help finance the "new" stadium. so expanding st marys would be a lot cheaper than grant towards a new stadium. as i understand it the propossed stadium on hornsea island is a no go because of the ecological environment leaving them with only revamping fratton park as there only real option however i think that is a max capacity of no more than 38k so i dont think there bid has any real substance IMO.

[Saints foreva]

I would only be happy for St Marys to host a World Cup match if we were in the Premiership.

 

Extending the stadium to 40k whilst not in the top league isn't exactly a great idea to just host a game like Ghana and South Africa.

 

Think about the club - If we look like we will be a Premiership club by then, go for it. If not, forget about it.

[krissyboy31]

the only reason why the skates have bid for the world cup is because they need the grant from the government to help finance the "new" stadium. so expanding st marys would be a lot cheaper than grant towards a new stadium. as i understand it the propossed stadium on hornsea island is a no go because of the ecological environment leaving them with only revamping fratton park as there only real option however i think that is a max capacity of no more than 38k so i dont think there bid has any real substance IMO.

 

It is a city bid and not a FC bid. The Skates are of course all for it because it will allow them to get Sports Council funding to help build the stadium but for the last 10/15 years their council has been much more ambitious than ours and actually build attractions to entice visitors instead of blocks of flats.

[Matthew Le God]

I would only be happy for St Marys to host a World Cup match if we were in the Premiership.

 

Extending the stadium to 40k whilst not in the top league isn't exactly a great idea to just host a game like Ghana and South Africa.

 

Think about the club - If we look like we will be a Premiership club by then, go for it. If not, forget about it.

 

I think you are missing a few key points.

 

1) The bid would have to be sorted out within a matter of months so you can't "wait and see" if we are in the Premiership. However Mr Liebherr has given a good indication that he has the vision and resources available to do so within 8 and a half years.

 

2) Any stadium expansion wouldn't need to start for quite a few years. The World Cup is 8 and a half years away. So we are unlikely to be in League One or even the Championship with a 40k plus stadium hopefully in that time.

 

3) A large part of the cost of expanding the ground wouldn't be from the club.

 

4) Mr Liebherr has shown through words and subsequent actions so far that he intends to progress this club back to the Premiership. We should in theory be there before 2018.

[Gordon Mockles]

It's with the City Council now.

So lets put a bit of pressure on those tossers.

http://www.southampton.gov.uk/thecouncil/thecouncil/organisation/city-councillors/list.asp

 

I like your style and equally loathe those inept t*ssers! How to hold back a and ruin a potentially thriving town, in 15 easy years!

 

They probably oversaw this opportunity. They're probably too busy town planning self-sewn problems. Working out ingenious methods on how to slow down traffic with additional traffic lights on round abouts (????) or conducting the next brain storm of ideas to rival Spinaker Tower like firing subwoofers from the Civic Centre Tower or building a blockade of flats to gain more council tax yet blockade visitors from interlinking the water front/maritime history with the central shopping areas. You couldn't hire a more inept council so don't hold your breath!

 

I hate to admit it, since I'm ranting, but look at Gunwaharf. A good job well done. Put our council in charge and it'd probably be as exciting as our Ocean Village (i.e. All the cosmopolitan/thriving bars and restaurants shut down, flats built prevent further planning - bar the Millenium Hotel which hasn't happened - and amenities strewn around randomly and inconveniently far! LOL)

[krissyboy31]

I like your style and equally loathe those inept t*ssers! How to hold back a and ruin a potentially thriving town, in 15 easy years!

 

They probably oversaw this opportunity. They're probably too busy town planning self-sewn problems. Working out ingenious methods on how to slow down traffic with additional traffic lights on round abouts (????) or conducting the next brain storm of ideas to rival Spinaker Tower like firing subwoofers from the Civic Centre Tower or building a blockade of flats to gain more council tax yet blockade visitors from interlinking the water front/maritime history with the central shopping areas. You couldn't hire a more inept council so don't hold your breath!

 

I hate to admit it, since I'm ranting, but look at Gunwaharf. A good job well done. Put our council in charge and it'd probably be as exciting as our Ocean Village (i.e. All the cosmopolitan/thriving bars and restaurants shut down, flats built prevent further planning - bar the Millenium Hotel which hasn't happened - and amenities strewn around randomly and inconveniently far! LOL)

 

Sadly, you are correct.

[alehouseboys]

So we would need 7,500 more seats. This could be achieved by just expanding the Kingland couldn't it? Itchen cannot be expanded am I right in believing?

 

I believe all four stands can be expanded but the Itchen is the most problematic and expensive. It would look weird if we had 3 towering structures dwarfing the 'main' stand.

 

There would certainly be an opportunity to make SMS unique from other similar stadia but if they do I really hope, for the sake of the atmosphere, they keep the ends (Kops) single tier, just enlarged in some way.

 

I'd like to see something similar to the Leipzig stadium.

 

 

[Toadhall Saint]

I believe all four stands can be expanded but the Itchen is the most problematic and expensive. It would look weird if we had 3 towering structures dwarfing the 'main' stand.

 

There would certainly be an opportunity to make SMS unique from other similar stadia but if they do I really hope, for the sake of the atmosphere, they keep the ends (Kops) single tier, just enlarged in some way.

 

I'd like to see something similar to the Leipzig stadium.

 

 

 

Lovely ground - went there in the World Cup. Only problem is the pitch is below ground level (if you know what I mean) - to adopt that at SMS would mean we were below the level of the Itchen (river) in effect we would need to dig down about 20 - 30 feet and deal with any water "problems" not unsurmountable but I would imagine very costly.

[OldNick]

Sorry to p### on your bonfire but the council will not even consider it as there are no traffic lights in the stadium.Unless they can put up at least 10 sets of state of the art traffic lights and put in cycle lanes we have not a hope

[krissyboy31]

Sorry to p### on your bonfire but the council will not even consider it as there are no traffic lights in the stadium.Unless they can put up at least 10 sets of state of the art traffic lights and put in cycle lanes we have not a hope

 

But they will spend £2m on a feasibility study before coming to that conclusion.

[solentstars]

But they will spend £2m on a feasibility study before coming to that conclusion.

 

and 85.000 for a spin docter.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

and 85.000 for a spin docter.

 

And at least £100,000 for a spelling guru...

[OldNick]

But they will spend £2m on a feasibility study before coming to that conclusion.

and of course employ 30 people to advise them on climate change in the Northam concourse