Pardew shutting the dickheads up...

[Wes Tender]

Sorry but all I want is a football team playing decent football not a lot of PR

 

Hopefully that will happen soon but it is results on the field which matter to me at the moment that is not really happening.

 

We have been promised a lot in recent years only to be brought back to reality by a non winning team.

 

Pardew did not seem to be confident that the team was going to gel which was slightly concerning

 

Don't you think that we all want that?

 

Where was all the PR you talk about? As far as I could determine, it was just what one would expect a fans forum to be. Fans asked questions and the relevant person responsible answered them. Yes we have been promised a lot in recent years. But everybody with any intelligence realised that because the previous board didn't own a pot to p*ss in, we were unlikely to have those promises delivered. Plans have been laid down by the new owner, but rash promises have not been made. Instead, progress is going to be staged at a reasonable level commensurate with the league we are in and staged gradually to match our rising league status.

 

I didn't detect much from you in the way of criticism of the last regime when results didn't come.

 

You don't live in Hedge End by any chance, John?

[Paul Chuckle]

I had to cringe at the amount of people starting off with....

 

Joe Bloggs, Chairman of Saints Trust and committee member of Sisa, season ticket holder 35 years, go to evey away game, travel from Glafow etc etc. Give it a bloody break. It's just seemed to me like constant '1 upmanship' from our fans all night!

 

I liked Pardews comment on Lallana 'what are you going to do if you move to a Prem team? Go on loan to a lower league team? You have a chance to win a league title here'

[Crab Lungs]

I had to cringe at the amount of people starting off with....

 

Joe Bloggs, Chairman of Saints Trust and committee member of Sisa, season ticket holder 35 years, go to evey away game, travel from Glafow etc etc. Give it a bloody break. It's just seemed to me like constant '1 upmanship' from our fans all night!

 

I liked Pardews comment on Lallana 'what are you going to do if you move to a Prem team? Go on loan to a lower league team? You have a chance to win a league title here'

 

 

Spot on. Loved the way Pardew TOLD the fans to... if it would have been in more difficult times, no doubt he'd have got an earful from the frothing group of cackers!

 

Why do we get such dribblers at these forums? The questions were dire, though the panel on NC, AP and KD were an excellent mix of personalities. AP and NC were refreshingly articulate and intelligent and KD a bit of a cheeky chappy.

[RedAndWhite91]

Jolly Good but results is what matters and until they appear I will not be happy thats all.

 

It is not much to ask surely for a few wins

 

I may need to be more patient only time will tell

 

Good idea.

[up and away]

Just back from the Forum. Been to a few of these over the years and that was definitely one of the better ones!

 

AP was very articulate, took the time to back up his views with real life examples, etc. You couldn't fail to be impressed by him and I suspect all of us there would have happily carried on listening to him for another hour!

 

And yes it was Perry McMillan at the back of the room who went OTT and tried to be controversial as always!!

 

All very true, I am wondering if you could find a more intelligent and articulate speaker in football. I like what I heard from Pardew, really impressive.

 

But one thing that has subsequently triggered, I don't believe this style will be very effective with your average footballer. As seen with the muppets, grabbing them by the throat and suspending them a few inches will have far more effect in getting your point across. We don't play hoofball, but we do employ it more than required and you can see from Pardews reactions, that is not what he wants. Even Poortvliet managed that bit, so I have been surprised Pardew has not driven this home as yet.

 

Not a big issue, just going to take him a little longer but it would explain some of the issues he had at West Ham with the likes of Ferdinand and Reo Coker.

[hypochondriac]

The title of the thread gives entirely the wrong impression. It suggests some sort of antagonism between a faction of fans hell bent on making waves and Pardew silencing them with his ripostes.

 

The reality was that during the entire proceedings, for the most part sensible questions were asked and when they were directed at Pardew, he answered them calmly and with dignity.

 

The guy at the front supposedly making constant interruptions couldn't be heard overmuch on the radio and it just sounded like the normal banter at these meetings.

 

Except that you didn't have to sit right near him. It was embarrassing and distracting. What gives him the right to shout out? Why should his voice be heard over everyone elses?

 

I have to laugh at Nineteen accusing the bloke from Leicester of taking 5 minutes going around the houses before making his point. It was good that he told us he came from Leicester, otherwise I would have thought it was Nineteen himself.

 

Altogether, this was the most serene and uncontroversial forum that I have ever heard. I didn't even consider it worth attending, as I knew it would be an anti-climax compared to one where Lowe was Chairman. I wonder whether John of Hedge End attended?

 

IMO this was the best fans forum yet and I've been to most of them.

For me, the best thing that I heard all through the meeting, was Cortese saying that although Markus Leibherr owned the club, he had come to realise that he and Cortese were just the custodians rather than the owners. That was indeed a refreshing change from the mentality of the previous lot.

 

Yep that was my best bit as well.

[Nineteen Canteen]

That was the idiot at the front who kept shouting out.

 

By the length of his question he certainly liked the sound of his own voice so it doesn't surprise me. What did surprise as already mentioned was the quality of the questions that were of a level you could easily guess how the panel were going to respond.

 

All I came away with was a reinforcement that we have a board and a manager of excellent pedigree and quality and that Liebherr sees this as an investment opportunity and is clearly not going to throw money at a club that thanks to his initial investement is debt free.

 

Cortese's account of the timeline of their involvement should make the Administrators and Pinnacle hang their head in same but we already knew that. Interesting to hear Pardew's take on his captain but I sense there is still some kind of adjustment period going on as Kelvin sounded authoriative rather than relaxed in his role (reading between the lines) which is a good thing and I would prefer a professional team atmosphere as oppose to a relaxed and too genial one.

 

The questions to Pardew about challenging for the play offs this season or would he be happy with a DoF were a waste of airtime and did those who ask seriously expect him to say no? As it was his responses were absolutely out of the top draw and if anyone left the room or turned off the radio thinking anything other than that our club is being run by an excellent team who are building for success as oppose to buying it then they wasted their time tuning in or attending.

 

My biggest fear in all this is that the whole plan can be undermined by a fickle and vocal minority in our fan base who expect us to to be the next Chelsea or Man City or stump up more modest amounts to gamble on a play off place. Hopefully, the impatient minority and quick to protest will learn from our past mistakes and that any rebuilding process requires patience and a warchest and that is where those strong attendances will come in provided they are not influenced by the hot headed minority. Asking for 30p off a pint of Guinness is ridiculous because if money is that tight your priorities are wrong in the first place.

 

I hope the club take on board the question about provision of disabled transport to away games and provide one coach with facilities for the disabled. However, despite the question being vaild I have to question if this was the right forum to raise it in and surely a call or email to the club would have sorted this out instead of what appeared to me an attempt to embarrass the club and it's new owners over a poor oversight.

 

Perhaps the questioner would have been better off asking if the club would benefit from organising a fan's focus group to meet on a 6 monthly basis and put forward issues or suggestions to help the new board settle in and focus on the big picture whilst the group could help them focus on the little things that are easily overlooked.

 

The question I asked but never got aired was will the club recognise or acknowledge the non elected supporters associations such as SISA or the now defunct (given it's original remit) The Saints Trust and is it time for fans association to be run with strong links to the club but independent in its formation and agenda but with input for discussion a two way process. I am sure they can provide a small office at SMS to run such an association and it would be very beneficial to all to have one unified and more professionally managed association with no dis-respect to the Saints Trust who have come closest IMO to fulfilling that brief in the past. This is not a request for a fan on the board and other such nonsense in fact it links in now with my thoughts more as having a voluntary focus group for issues such as the disabled facilities on away coaches.

[RedAndWhite91]

Sorry but all I want is a football team playing decent football not a lot of PR

 

Hopefully that will happen soon but it is results on the field which matter to me at the moment that is not really happening.

 

We have been promised a lot in recent years only to be brought back to reality by a non winning team.

 

Pardew did not seem to be confident that the team was going to gel which was slightly concerning

 

We are unbeaten at home, only lost 2 all season, in our last game we got our first win under the belt and with every game you can see improvements. Did you expect us to win every game and get promoted this season? You must have some idea about rebuilding and it seems to be that rebuilding process is still ongoing. We were never promised the Champions League, the only thing we have been promised this season is that we have a football club to support, and I am grateful that, and I am prepared to wait.

[Paul Chuckle]

Spot on. Loved the way Pardew TOLD the fans to... if it would have been in more difficult times, no doubt he'd have got an earful from the frothing group of cackers!

 

Why do we get such dribblers at these forums? The questions were dire, though the panel on NC, AP and KD were an excellent mix of personalities. AP and NC were refreshingly articulate and intelligent and KD a bit of a cheeky chappy.

 

Asking about the price of beer was bloody ridiculous. What a thing to ask at a forum where you have a chance to question those that matter at SFC! Some of our fans are an embarrassment to say the least. The guy from Leicester 'me an my sons are desperate for promotion' 'we go to every game' blah blah blah. Constant I'm a better fan than you.

 

And can someone tell me what The Saints Trust does now or even dId before lol?

 

Pardew did say Davis was a brilliant captain 'best he's had' but wanted to put tge arm band on somebody on the pitch but that Davis would still be captain!

[saintjay77]

After listening to that I just have one question.

 

Is it Kalvin or Kelvin?

 

Heard allot of what I wanted to hear and now just hope that whats on the pitch can slowly but surly follow on with what it seems we all from the top to the bottom of our club want.

 

Very positive and looking forward to some good times.

[Nineteen Canteen]

The title of the thread gives entirely the wrong impression. It suggests some sort of antagonism between a faction of fans hell bent on making waves and Pardew silencing them with his ripostes.

 

The reality was that during the entire proceedings, for the most part sensible questions were asked and when they were directed at Pardew, he answered them calmly and with dignity.

 

The guy at the front supposedly making constant interruptions couldn't be heard overmuch on the radio and it just sounded like the normal banter at these meetings.

 

I have to laugh at Nineteen accusing the bloke from Leicester of taking 5 minutes going around the houses before making his point. It was good that he told us he came from Leicester, otherwise I would have thought it was Nineteen himself.

 

Altogether, this was the most serene and uncontroversial forum that I have ever heard. I didn't even consider it worth attending, as I knew it would be an anti-climax compared to one where Lowe was Chairman. I wonder whether John of Hedge End attended?

 

For me, the best thing that I heard all through the meeting, was Cortese saying that although Markus Leibherr owned the club, he had come to realise that he and Cortese were just the custodians rather than the owners. That was indeed a refreshing change from the mentality of the previous lot.[/QUOTE]

 

I agree Wes but where is the money for future investment going to come from? They gave us back our club and now it is up to us to support it so hopefully you will desist in your past posturing of defending the boycotters and refusing to buy a season ticket during the next 5 years when there will no doubt be times for concern and unrest. Football fans are not reknowned for their patience at any club.

 

Corteste didn't exactly get a ringing endorsement when he said that he has no doubts we could return to the top flight and that '5 years is not unreasonable, is it?'. The silence was deafening - why? Because fans don't believe it's possible or that we should do it in 3. That's the real risk IMO fan apathy and impatience.

 

Unsolicited insults again Wes? A wise poster once said to me you immediately lose the argument when you ridicule others.....

[Give it to Ron]

I agree Wes but where is the money for future investment going to come from? They gave us back our club and now it is up to us to support it so hopefully you will desist in your past posturing of defending the boycotters and refusing to buy a season ticket during the next 5 years when there will no doubt be times for concern and unrest. Football fans are not reknowned for their patience at any club.

 

Corteste didn't exactly get a ringing endorsement when he said that he has no doubts we could return to the top flight and that '5 years is not unreasonable, is it?'. The silence was deafening - why? Because fans don't believe it's possible or that we should do it in 3. That's the real risk IMO fan apathy and impatience.

 

You obviously missed the bit where he asked everyone in the room if 5 years was unreasonable....everyone agreed apart from one..Perry queue his minor rant. Listen to the recording again.

You are way off line here.

[Hopkins]

The most cringeworthy thing about listening to that was the constant clapping after every question. Do it once. At the start and then get over it ffs.

[hypochondriac]

The most cringeworthy thing about listening to that was the constant clapping after every question. Do it once. At the start and then get over it ffs.

 

I think people wanted to show their appreciation. The atmosphere in the room was really good actually and made a refreshing change. The two idiots aside it was really good.

[Wes Tender]

I agree Wes but where is the money for future investment going to come from? They gave us back our club and now it is up to us to support it so hopefully you will desist in your past posturing of defending the boycotters and refusing to buy a season ticket during the next 5 years when there will no doubt be times for concern and unrest. Football fans are not reknowned for their patience at any club.

 

As far as I can see, money for investment will be forthcoming from ML as and when required. Some of the money put in will in return be offset by gate receipts and transfer income from players sold and he will top up the rest.Do you have any evidence to suggest that that will not be the case? You have my firm assurance that I for one will quite happily attend all home matches and buy two season tickets for the next five years, regardless of concerns or unrest. I am entirely content with the new people. It was ultimately the boycotts and unrest that got rid of the last lot, but I see no reason to be unhappy with ML.

 

Corteste didn't exactly get a ringing endorsement when he said that he has no doubts we could return to the top flight and that '5 years is not unreasonable, is it?'. The silence was deafening - why? Because fans don't believe it's possible or that we should do it in 3. That's the real risk IMO fan apathy and impatience.

 

It was a rhetorical question and therefore did not require an answer. What did you expect instead of silence? Everybody to stand up and give a ringing endorsement? Anybody who was unhappy with that scenario was effectively invited to question the timescale and only Perry Macmillan did so. The lack of applause for his views proved that he was in a minority of one.

 

Unsolicited insults again Wes? A wise poster once said to me you immediately lose the argument when you ridicule others.....

 

Where was the ridicule? I merely pointed out that it was ironic that you criticised the guy from Leicester for his lenghty and rather long-winded point when that was your speciality. I'll leave it to others to judge whether I had resorted to ridicule or whether it was an accurate observation.

 

But credit where it's due; your point about liaison between the fans and the board is an excellent one and it is indeed a shame that the question was not asked "on air" as I would have been interested to hear what their opinion on it was. I reckon that they would have been receptive to a dialogue between the fans and the management, as only good can come from constructive criticism.