Saints Forum on Solent - Tonight

[revolution saint]

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Just out of interest, do we still need to have the Saints Trust and SISA?

 

I like Perry, he helped out the young lad sorting out the protests last year, but tonight I felt wasn't the night to talk us up as a big club.

 

I could hear someone say to him, 'but we are in League 1', which was right. We have no divine right to be in the Prem - yes, that is where we SHOULD be, but we aren't.

 

At least now, after all the bull we've been through, we have custodians of the club who are planning on doing the RIGHT THING.

 

That is something I will be eternally grateful for, and Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow and Pardew should be allowed to get on with it.

 

We've got a second chance we never thought possible. Let's enjoy the ride for once.[/QUOTE]

 

Until Pardew plays Lallana? Or does support only extend to the decisions you agree with?

[Channon's Sideburns]

  revolution saint said:

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Just out of interest, do we still need to have the Saints Trust and SISA?

 

I like Perry, he helped out the young lad sorting out the protests last year, but tonight I felt wasn't the night to talk us up as a big club.

 

I could hear someone say to him, 'but we are in League 1', which was right. We have no divine right to be in the Prem - yes, that is where we SHOULD be, but we aren't.

 

At least now, after all the bull we've been through, we have custodians of the club who are planning on doing the RIGHT THING.

 

That is something I will be eternally grateful for, and Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow and Pardew should be allowed to get on with it.

 

We've got a second chance we never thought possible. Let's enjoy the ride for once.[/QUOTE]

 

Until Pardew plays Lallana? Or does support only extend to the decisions you agree with?

 

Why bring up Lallana? I've made my feelings known about him being a regular.

 

So you never criticise anyone then? I bet you loved Jermaine Wright...or Paul Telfer...

[jam]

Interesting to note that KD mentioned Keith Granger, when talking about saving penalties.

 

Just heard Pardew talking about how big a loss the departures of McGoldrick and Surman was.

 

Really enjoyed the way Pardew talked about Lallana and winning stuff. I've never been a fan of Pardew but he can certainly talk a good line. I hope he can follow it up.

 

Cortese has basically said that they had the banker's draft (or whatever) signed and ready on the Friday when they heard from the administrator that another consortium was in.

 

Some quotes from Cortese, apologies if already posted:

 

"To me it seemed that they didn't want us. We were probably the only consortium that had the money for the down payment"

 

"...and finally when they realised they had no other choice [the administrators] let us in"

 

"I come from banking, I know what means credit crunch"

 

"[southampton] is probably one of the few... English clubs that is currently debt free".

 

According to Cortese, a director of football has got the same priority as the beer price right now. It's something they consider as they are rebuilding the club but it hasn't has any thought into or any conversation about.

 

Pardew commented that DoFs happen over here (e.g. David Pleat), wouldn't be a bad thing at SFC "somewhere down the road". He said he'd never worked with one so far but would be prepared to work with one.

[Delmary]

  skintsaint said:

wasnt SMS designed to go upto 48k?

54K

[hypochondriac]

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Just out of interest, do we still need to have the Saints Trust and SISA?

 

I like Perry, he helped out the young lad sorting out the protests last year, but tonight I felt wasn't the night to talk us up as a big club.

 

I could hear someone say to him, 'but we are in League 1', which was right. We have no divine right to be in the Prem - yes, that is where we SHOULD be, but we aren't.

 

At least now, after all the bull we've been through, we have custodians of the club who are planning on doing the RIGHT THING.

 

That is something I will be eternally grateful for, and Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow and Pardew should be allowed to get on with it.

 

We've got a second chance we never thought possible. Let's enjoy the ride for once.

I was unsure as to what his point was. Everyone knows we are a big club and that our natural level is above where we are. What was he trying to say? I was embarrassed when he was talking like he spoke for all of us.

[trousers]

So, no one asked the obvious question?

 

i.e. "Nicola, why did Markus chose to buy SFC when there were/are plenty of other opportunities out there? How did Markus come to hear that a lower league English club was for sale in the circles he keeps?"

 

Or perhaps I'm the only one who's curious as to how a (relatively) obscure Swiss businessman with no previous interest in football becomes interested in buying a (relatively) obscure English football club?

[hypochondriac]

  trousers said:

So, no one asked the obvious question?

 

i.e. "Nicola, why did Markus chose to buy SFC when there were/are plenty of other opportunities out there? How did Markus come to hear that a lower league English club was for sale in the circles he keeps?"

 

It was Cortese who heard about it and then told him.

[Gordon Mockles]

  Delmary said:

54K

 

And I still have the engineering drawings somewhere from when we did the design! (didn't see any extension plans though)

 

Hasn't Solent got a listen again function like all BBC radio?

[revolution saint]

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  revolution saint said:

 

Why bring up Lallana? I've made my feelings known about him being a regular.

 

So you never criticise anyone then? I bet you loved Jermaine Wright...or Paul Telfer...

 

I thought it ironic that you spend most of your time slagging off players and then tell everyone to shut up and enjoy the ride. Did you not understand the contradiction in your post and your posting history?

[trousers]

  hypochondriac said:

It was Cortese who heard about it and then told him.

 

Ah, ok....yep, just read up on it on FF's thread.....keep up Trousers!

[swannymere]

  trousers said:

So, no one asked the obvious question?

 

i.e. "Nicola, why did Markus chose to buy SFC when there were/are plenty of other opportunities out there? How did Markus come to hear that a lower league English club was for sale in the circles he keeps?"

 

Or perhaps I'm the only one who's curious as to how a (relatively) obscure Swiss businessman with no previous interest in football becomes interested in buying a (relatively) obscure English football club?

 

I'm fairly sure it's because of the business his or his family's companies were doing with the docks.

[hypochondriac]

  swannymere said:

I'm fairly sure it's because of the business his or his family's companies were doing with the docks.

 

Nope. Cortese said this evening that he heard about it and bought it to ML's attention and he was sold immediately.

[trousers]

  hypochondriac said:

Nope. Cortese said this evening that he heard about it and bought it to ML's attention and he was sold immediately.

 

Although, I guess, once the connection/introduction was made by Cortese, the fact that the docks play a large part in the City's infrastructure may have ultimately swayed or influenced Liebherr's decision?

[hypochondriac]

  trousers said:

Although, I guess, once the connection was made by Cortese, the fact that the docks play a large part in the City's infrastructure may have ultimately swayed or influenced Liebherr's decision?

 

May well have. I can see the attraction though. The potential is great and was the biggest bargain for any football club at the price.

[trousers]

  hypochondriac said:

May well have. I can see the attraction though. The potential is great and was the biggest bargain for any football club at the price.

 

Very true....although, in which case, I'm surpised we didn't have billionaires queuing down the street to snap us up if we were such an attractive proposition....?

[hypochondriac]

  trousers said:

Very true....although, in which case, I'm surpised we didn't have billionaires queuing down the street to snap us up if we were such an attractive proposition....?

 

It would only appeal to certain people. I think with the economy how it is at the moment it would put people off and many people don't like investing in football. Many people don't mind paying extra for the premiership title. I think ML can see how much more rewarding it is to build up a big club which has fallen on hard times. For the price I think we were unique in this way.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Thanks to those that went for reporting back.

 

Sounds like a bit of shame that there were so many time thieves asking the questions!

[dannysfc]

I Missed It Tonight And Was Thinking Of Going To It And I'm Liking Some Of The Comments Made On The Forum HTH !

Also Where Can I Listen To It Again Please Btw But Dw If Not ?!

Thanks!

Come On Saints !

[hypochondriac]

  dannysfc said:

I Missed It Tonight And Was Thinking Of Going To It And I'm Liking Some Of The Comments Made On The Forum HTH !

Also Where Can I Listen To It Again Please Btw But Dw If Not ?!

Thanks!

Come On Saints !

 

how is ben?

[Leslie Charteris]

I'm glad to hear that Cortese and co are "custardising" the club and that the fans are the real owners. Keep on dishing up the custard guys!

[Genk]

Sorry if I have missed it, but did anyone go along to the open training session?Any good? Observations?

[hamster]

  Genk said:

Sorry if I have missed it, but did anyone go along to the open training session?Any good? Observations?

 

Was a bit slow getting started, but imo the best bit was the 7 a side short games, the players seemed to up the tempo qite a lot. probably the competitive nature coming out. I was watching Bart quite closely and he is a very very good shot stopper.

 

All in all, I think it was a good PR exercise; lots of autographs for the youngsters and the vouchers for the Gills game, which I did not realise only apply to tickets in the Chapel, so mine is going begging if anyone is interested. Adult and a child for a tenner, anyone?

[hamster]

http://rs706.rapidshare.com/files/283168917/Saints_Fans_Forum.mp3

 

Kelvin Geoffrey Davis, 21:30 mins in. Top top bloke.

 

Took advice from Zola, after checking with Mrs Davis of course.

[Summers]

  skintsaint said:

wasnt SMS designed to go upto 48k?

That or 51k, i remember them telling me that originally at the visitor centre...

 

Pretty sure foundations can hold 51k

[Eastcowzer]

  the saint in winchester said:

That very name came to my mind too. Along with Ali Dia ... but I'm sure AP didn't know him.

 

Neither did Souness, but he does now. !

[EastleighSoulBoy]

  Thedelldays said:

apparently (according to the pompey fans-online) we are far from debt free.....

 

I dont know who to believe here..:smt031

 

Corp Ho is never wrong. Ever! Wait to see what he has to say.

[Saint Without a Halo]

  Lord Duckhunter said:

I would like to know about the scouting network and if it's being rebuilt. It's obvious that it was a shambles last year, witness Pulis, Forecast and Molyneux. Is Pards happy with it now, and if not,when will a proper one be in place?

 

You are so right! Our scouting and academy networks used to be the envy of many and I am sure they contributed greatly to our long spell in the top tier. It is the only sensible way to compete with the big spenders particulalry when you remember we picked up the likes of Shearer from right under Newcastles nose!

[the saint in winchester]

  Quote

Just out of interest, do we still need to have the Saints Trust and SISA?

 

I like Perry, he helped out the young lad sorting out the protests last year, but tonight I felt wasn't the night to talk us up as a big club.

 

I could hear someone say to him, 'but we are in League 1', which was right. We have no divine right to be in the Prem - yes, that is where we SHOULD be, but we aren't.

 

At least now, after all the bull we've been through, we have custodians of the club who are planning on doing the RIGHT THING.

 

That is something I will be eternally grateful for, and Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow and Pardew should be allowed to get on with it.

 

We've got a second chance we never thought possible. Let's enjoy the ride for once.

 

Channon's - you ask a question that was on my mind overnight. To me, SISA and The Saints Trust were around to give fan representation against an autocratic regime previously. To me, they are like trade unions against a forceful management.

Under the existing regime, let's all get on the same side, we don't need negative talk, and with such open and honest sessions like last night, I don't IMHO think we need fragmented fan representation. As NC said last night, "we are giving the club back to the fans."

[the saint in winchester]

  hypochondriac said:

I was unsure as to what his point was. Everyone knows we are a big club and that our natural level is above where we are. What was he trying to say? I was embarrassed when he was talking like he spoke for all of us.

 

What was frustrating was that he was invited to comment on a particular point and then completely ignored it.

If memory serves, the question was "does anyone here think that reaching the Prem within 5 years is NOT achievable?" Short silence then "gentleman at the back, you don't think it's achievable?" And this burk goes on for a full 5 minutes making a speech that was unrelated to getting back to the Prem within 5 years.

Someone sure likes the sound of his own voice.

[Sevvy]

Anybody have any pictures of what the stadium would look like if it was extended to it full capacity of 54k.

[Draino76]

  Leslie Charteris said:

I'm glad to hear that Cortese and co are "custardising" the club and that the fans are the real owners. Keep on dishing up the custard guys!

 

 

Covering SMS in custard?

 

[Channon's Sideburns]

  revolution saint said:

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I thought it ironic that you spend most of your time slagging off players and then tell everyone to shut up and enjoy the ride. Did you not understand the contradiction in your post and your posting history?

 

No, in your haste to bring up Lallana, I do not spend my time 'slagging off players' in general.

 

I'm actually very selective ;-) (that's an ironic smiley thingie by the way).

 

In case you've overlooked it, this forum is all about voicing your opinion. Yours happens to be different to mine when it concerns ONE PLAYER.

 

I can live with that, why can't you? Pardew likes him, doesn't mean he deserves his starting place though does it?

 

Every manager has his favourites (see my note about Wright and Telfer) - or did you miss the irony in that as well?

 

If you re-read the post (as you seem to take particular interest in mine for some reason) you will see that it was in response to an earlier one concerning Perry's speech at the Forum.

 

I was responding to this, because like many who were there or listened to it, cannot see now with our new regime who for once ARE interested in consulting the fans why we need 'Independent Supporters Associations'.

 

We didn't have them before Lowe, so why do we need them after he's gone? That's my question. That's one war which has been won.

 

BTW, in case you now feel I'm against SISA and the like in general - wrong. I was on both marches last season.

Edited 22 September, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns

[Toadhall Saint]

  trousers said:

So, no one asked the obvious question?

 

i.e. "Nicola, why did Markus chose to buy SFC when there were/are plenty of other opportunities out there? How did Markus come to hear that a lower league English club was for sale in the circles he keeps?"

 

Or perhaps I'm the only one who's curious as to how a (relatively) obscure Swiss businessman with no previous interest in football becomes interested in buying a (relatively) obscure English football club?

 

Write to NC at the club trousers - he may well answer you.

[dune]

I'd just like to say what utter retards the SISA people were at the meeting.

 

It was an hour long forum where valid questions were the order of the day and SISA retard no.1 came out with some stupid question about the pint of Guiness - i mean what a spasticated point to make which was met with groans, and SISA retard no.2 came out with a boring pointless speech (he was only interested in the sound of his own voice - not remotely interested in a response, in fact i don't think he even asked a question) that no body gave a **** about. These dimebars really are thick as **** and were the only negative part of a thoroughly enjoyable fans forum.

 

I thought Alan Pardew, Nicola Cortese and Kelvin Davies were fantastic and made the whole forum thoroughly enjoyable to listen to. Also i like the way Nicola promised to look into making provision for disabled fans to travel to away games. It's fantastic to have such good honest and decent people at our club.

 

And AP's explanation of why KD will always be our captain (even if the armband is handed to an outful player during games) was a thoroughly decent way to go.

 

Great people and it made me proud to support SFC.

[oggiee]

I love this football club, anyone else?

[krissyboy31]

  Leslie Charteris said:

I'm glad to hear that Cortese and co are "custardising" the club and that the fans are the real owners. Keep on dishing up the custard guys!

 

Rhubarb!!

[krissyboy31]

  Summers said:

That or 51k, i remember them telling me that originally at the visitor centre...

 

Pretty sure foundations can hold 51k

 

55k actually but that would be by placing a tier above all 4 stands. 48k with tiers on the Northam, Kingsland and Chapel. I don't think they'll ever do anything over the Itchen because it wouldn't be cost affective. Probably wouldn't extend all of the other 3 sides either. My guess would be an 'L shaped' shelf above the Northam and Kingsland taking the capacity up to approx 42/44k (if it happens at all that is).

[Danny]

  Sevvy said:

Anybody have any pictures of what the stadium would look like if it was extended to it full capacity of 54k.

 

I imagine it would look like a smaller version of Old Trafford.

 

[leithsaint]

Doesn't seem to be on the iplayer, the whole evening show is missing. Sent an email to bbc hampshire asking if it would be up but no reply. Anyone know if it will be up on the iplayer at some point? How about a transcript?

 

Don't ask for much, I know.

[eurosaint]

  Tamesaint said:

So exactly how far from Portsmouth do you live??[/QUOTE]

 

Fortunately there is a stretch of water between us !!!

[Saint_John]

  Genk said:

Sorry if I have missed it, but did anyone go along to the open training session?Any good? Observations?

Yes I went but left after about 70mins so I don't see the end.

 

The event was structured in 3 parts.

(1) All 20+ outfield players in 3 "teams" passing the ball in a "tight area" (guess at 25 yards by 15 yards) for 15 mins. Passing the ball between their "teammates" and running to occupy the space of the player they have just passed to. Typical "pass and move" type training without getting in the way of the other teams who are also in the same tight space.

 

(2a) Wally took the Defenders up the Northam End to practice 2 against 2 situations and positional play for defending crosses. IMO this went well and I was impressed with what Wally was getting them to do.

(2b) The Midfielder and Forwards stayed at the Chapel End and practiced buildup play for getting crosses in the box. There was mainly 2 movements, the m/f crossing the ball from 30 to 40 yards out and one of the forwards heads the ball sideways from the D or Pen spot for somebody to shoot. The 2nd play was for the m/f to play the ball in short to Saga or somebody with his back to the goal who would either turn and lay the ball out to the wing or play the ball back to the m/f to pass out to the wing.

The winger was then expected to cross for the forwards to score. The crossing from both wings was SHOCKINGLY BAD imo. Very few were "clean crosses" into the danger area, most would not have got past the first defender at the near post.

 

(3) For the final 30 mins or so until I left at 5:40) the 3 teams played 7 a side games with Team A playing Team B and Team C acting a "wall in a 5-a side game" / extra attackers who could cross the ball into the area. It was played on a pitch about 30 x 25 yards and is difficult to explain in words but gives a high energy/high-tempo game with lots of pressing of players.

After 5 mins or so Team C would switch with team A, so that each group switched over.

In this game I believe the players are only allowed one touch if they are running with the ball or 2 if they are controlling it and shooting (I think, it was never explained to the crowd). Hence Player A would pass to Player C would act like the wall in a 5-a-side game.

 

In general I was impressed with the training, however there was no "set plays" from corners or long throws either as attackers or defenders. But if I think about it, that sort of training is probably best done behind close doors.

The one MAJOR problem that I saw (apart from the crap crosses) was in the 1st part. I could not believe the number of players that are ONE FOOTED mostly the young kids that have come through OUR Academy. In the days when I did this I remember being told to use BOTH FEET, control with left pass with the right etc. it takes HALF the time. I kept my eyes on 2 young players (who have come into the first team in the last couple of seasons) who were controlling the ball with their right, then looking down, then looking up; then passing the ball with their right again.

 

Adam L was probably the only player who was completely ok with both feet, a number of the older/imported players use of their weaker foot was ok, however I was SHOCKED at few who didn't seem to use their weak foot at all. (In my days it would have been 10 pressups on the spot for only using your strong foot all the time).

[Tamesaint]

  Saint_John said:

Yes I went but left after about 70mins so I don't see the end.

 

The event was structured in 3 parts.

(1) All 20+ outfield players in 3 "teams" passing the ball in a "tight area" (guess at 25 yards by 15 yards) for 15 mins. Passing the ball between their "teammates" and running to occupy the space of the player they have just passed to. Typical "pass and move" type training without getting in the way of the other teams who are also in the same tight space.

 

(2a) Wally took the Defenders up the Northam End to practice 2 against 2 situations and positional play for defending crosses. IMO this went well and I was impressed with what Wally was getting them to do.

(2b) The Midfielder and Forwards stayed at the Chapel End and practiced buildup play for getting crosses in the box. There was mainly 2 movements, the m/f crossing the ball from 30 to 40 yards out and one of the forwards heads the ball sideways from the D or Pen spot for somebody to shoot. The 2nd play was for the m/f to play the ball in short to Saga or somebody with his back to the goal who would either turn and lay the ball out to the wing or play the ball back to the m/f to pass out to the wing.

The winger was then expected to cross for the forwards to score. The crossing from both wings was SHOCKINGLY BAD imo. Very few were "clean crosses" into the danger area, most would not have got past the first defender at the near post.

 

(3) For the final 30 mins or so until I left at 5:40) the 3 teams played 7 a side games with Team A playing Team B and Team C acting a "wall in a 5-a side game" / extra attackers who could cross the ball into the area. It was played on a pitch about 30 x 25 yards and is difficult to explain in words but gives a high energy/high-tempo game with lots of pressing of players.

After 5 mins or so Team C would switch with team A, so that each group switched over.

In this game I believe the players are only allowed one touch if they are running with the ball or 2 if they are controlling it and shooting (I think, it was never explained to the crowd). Hence Player A would pass to Player C would act like the wall in a 5-a-side game.

 

In general I was impressed with the training, however there was no "set plays" from corners or long throws either as attackers or defenders. But if I think about it, that sort of training is probably best done behind close doors.

The one MAJOR problem that I saw (apart from the crap crosses) was in the 1st part. I could not believe the number of players that are ONE FOOTED mostly the young kids that have come through OUR Academy. In the days when I did this I remember being told to use BOTH FEET, control with left pass with the right etc. it takes HALF the time. I kept my eyes on 2 young players (who have come into the first team in the last couple of seasons) who were controlling the ball with their right, then looking down, then looking up; then passing the ball with their right again.

 

Adam L was probably the only player who was completely ok with both feet, a number of the older/imported players use of their weaker foot was ok, however I was SHOCKED at few who didn't seem to use their weak foot at all. (In my days it would have been 10 pressups on the spot for only using your strong foot all the time).

 

Thank you. That was very interesting.

[Viking Warrior]

Dune

 

re the SISA Retards you mention. You should consider yourself lucky that

 

Citzen Chorley was lecturing the Panel. thennobody would have got a question in , not even the guy at the front judging by this thread and a n other,

[OldNick]

I feel quite uplifted after reading al ot of the posts on here.

[saintj]

  leithsaint said:

Doesn't seem to be on the iplayer, the whole evening show is missing. Sent an email to bbc hampshire asking if it would be up but no reply. Anyone know if it will be up on the iplayer at some point? How about a transcript?

 

Don't ask for much, I know.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8268510.stm

[krissyboy31]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8269299.stm

[glkdcdes]

listening to the forum, it was obviously pleasing to feel that the club and supporters are united again, as they certainly had not under the previous regime. i thought that nicola came over as a very honest ,unflappable and competent person.

I must say though although A.P was given rave reviews from every one their were a few of his comments that slightly grated. Mainly comments like mentioning Schneiderlins inconsistency, i know he qualified what he said in a positive way but not sure that was great. Also saying Davis would always be captain while he was at club, while alluding to having an outfield player wearing armband. Slightly dangerous to commit to some one allways being the captain, things can happen.

Also is it normal to have disciplinary matters [ie fines] being dealt with by player? AP also mentioned that Kelvin took these small things away from him. The way that came out would not have motivated me.

Also when AP said that we were searching for an identity and that would emerge. It didnt sound like he was deciding what the identity should be, surely one of the main parts of his job as the team leader is to decide what he wants our identity to bE.

 

Maybe i am reading far too much into his words or even misunderstang them, so just interested if anyone else shared my reservations.

[Give it to Ron]

A couple of things in response - he did say that KD was also the best captain he had seen at any club he has been at, so why not say what he did as why take it away from the best 'club' captain?

I got the impression he has spoken to KD and explained why he wants an 'on the pitch' captain so that will change as well due to injuries, suspensions and form.

Why does a manager have to control things like fines? Surely empowering the players or captain to do it gives them more of self-discipline? I believe it was also mentioned that AP gets involved if there are 2 or 3 occurences so he is aware of whats happening and IMO take action if required.

 

But to go forward you have to realise exactly what you have already? Last season we had enough cases of players joining that we didn't need and didn't recruit what was desperate for instead of like Forecast.

Until he understands whether we are a team of lightweights, kickers or ball players he cant take action and get an identity.

 

I think it was easier to be in the room as there was a lot to be gained from facial expressions, body language and aura coming from the top table that would address some of yourfears - they did mine.

[glkdcdes]

  Give it to Ron said:

A couple of things in response - he did say that KD was also the best captain he had seen at any club he has been at, so why not say what he did as why take it away from the best 'club' captain?

I got the impression he has spoken to KD and explained why he wants an 'on the pitch' captain so that will change as well due to injuries, suspensions and form.

Why does a manager have to control things like fines? Surely empowering the players or captain to do it gives them more of self-discipline? I believe it was also mentioned that AP gets involved if there are 2 or 3 occurences so he is aware of whats happening and IMO take action if required.

 

But to go forward you have to realise exactly what you have already? Last season we had enough cases of players joining that we didn't need and didn't recruit what was desperate for instead of like Forecast.

Until he understands whether we are a team of lightweights, kickers or ball players he cant take action and get an identity.

 

I think it was easier to be in the room as there was a lot to be gained from facial expressions, body language and aura coming from the top table that would address some of yourfears - they did mine.

 

Thanks for that, im sure your right.

[whoateallthepies]

  Quote

Just out of interest, do we still need to have the Saints Trust and SISA?

 

That is something I will be eternally grateful for, and Messrs Liebherr, Cortese, Oldknow and Pardew should be allowed to get on with it.

 

QUOTE]

 

Supporters should never stop holding the owners of the club to account, whether that is through official supporter groups or their own initiatives; and especially not while Oldknow remains in situ.