Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 I never thought he was a god Well I couldn't see any deliberately attempt to kick it out so I agree.
brmbrm Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 This thread summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. Moan, bloody moan. Whinge, bloody whinge. If it isn't one thing its another. If it ain't that, its something else. Nothing is perfect hence everything is crap.Starts with some t w@* who HASN'T EVEN ESEEN THE GAME(!!!!!) slaggin off a player who has been on the pitch for 20 minutes. Jeez... this club deserves everything it gets and more. Bring bakc Lowe - we desrve him.
Thedelldays Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 This thread summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. Moan, bloody moan. Whinge, bloody whinge. If it isn't one thing its another. If it ain't that, its something else. Nothing is perfect hence everything is crap.Starts with some t w@* who HASN'T EVEN ESEEN THE GAME(!!!!!) slaggin off a player who has been on the pitch for 20 minutes. Jeez... this club deserves everything it gets and more. Bring bakc Lowe - we desrve him. shut up you prat...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 Saga just seemed so poor for me today, i have missed the past couple of games, he put in a little industry but seemed when it really mattered (Lamberts flick ons and couple of through balls) he was flat footed. The game just passed by him unfortunately, the defence looked for him when ricky was not available but he just has not the pace to make an impact. IMO, Saga is a great box player, but offers little when the chances are not being made, and so i don't think he fits into our tactics. Lallana, on the other hand, has his critics, i can understand that. But the boy is such an enigma, he is not really a striker, not a midfielder and not a winger. But has such a fantastic touch and offers a touch of magic ! But where do you play him ?? The way i see football is that it is all about balance, and so, magical or not, if it is not balanced, he would not play in my system, such as the square pegs for square holes analogy. I'd like to think i have a decent understanding of the game, perhaps i do, perhaps i do not, but that is opinion. Mills balanced the game out for us, Lallana did look better on the right, at least more comfortable, the problem at left mid was that you could see him drifting in field, causing problems defensively and also conjesting the midfield. I think he could do well playing off of Ricky, but you would have to stamp out his tendancy of coming in field to get the ball, which is when you need to ask yourself, for the good of the team should you sacrifice him ?? IMO, i would play him RM and mills LM, with Papa and lambert upfront, but then football is a game of opinions and favourites. The main thing is we won !! But then, how many bad games will we win this season ?? SS excellent analysis and wouldn't disagree with anything you have said. Saganowski was chasing shadows but at least he tried more than he usualy does but it's a substitue role for him if that as far as I am concerned. If Papa doesn't work out I think i would rather have Patterson up front than Saga. As for Lallana then RM is the only place we can play him but right or left I don't think he has any understanding with the relevant full backs and the last thing we need this season are enigmas in the team. We need a midfield as drilled as our back 4 and he doesn't fit the remit their so we are left with him to play up front and Papa and Lambert you would hope will be our first choice pairing. Mills on teh left and if McLaggon is ready then he should be on the right but Lallan lacks teh discipline to play in central midfield unless we go the diamond route and he plays an attacking role but is he teh type of playing you change the formation of teh team for? Not IMO but like you say football is about opinions and Lallana for me at the moment is not one of my favourites.
John B Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 (edited) This thread summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. Moan, bloody moan. Whinge, bloody whinge. If it isn't one thing its another. If it ain't that, its something else. Nothing is perfect hence everything is crap.Starts with some t w@* who HASN'T EVEN ESEEN THE GAME(!!!!!) slaggin off a player who has been on the pitch for 20 minutes. Jeez... this club deserves everything it gets and more. Bring bakc Lowe - we desrve him. I think you maybe over reacting slightly. Not all posters are continually slagging off players but are putting forward their ideas of why things are not going right on the field. That is the point of a forum I would have thought one would have thought with the squad we have that the team would be doing better on the pitch. Although perhaps Delldays Post above is more to the point Edited 20 September, 2009 by John B
Thedelldays Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 I think you maybe over reacting slightly. Not all posters are not continually slagging off players but are putting forward their ideas of why things are not going right on the field. That is the point of a forum I would have thought one would have thought with the squad we have that the team would be doing better on the pitch. dont, he will be saying everyone wants pardew out next
tonibell Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 Keeps getting caught offside etc. Was not at the game today sadly; but is he all that he's cracked up to be? I fecking hope so. What a meaning less pointless thread. Like you say " was not at the game today" What has he been cracked up to be
hypochondriac Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 What a meaning less pointless thread. Like you say " was not at the game today" What has he been cracked up to be Even if he was at the game it was a stupid thing to say. I really hope he will be great for us. Lets wait and see.
Gemmel Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 Saganowski was chasing shadows but at least he tried more than he usualy does bu. Total horse s h it e .....never seen such a lazy display in all my life
Northant Saint Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 Attention seeking title from an attention seeking poster.
Micky Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 Well I couldn't see any deliberately attempt to kick it out so I agree. Occasionally a dog will drop a bone, you know...!
SFC Forever Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 I may get laughed at and abused but, we let players go out on loan occasionally don't we. Therefore I would suggest we could let James, Lallana and Lancashire go out. James has not been very good so far this season and might benefit. Lallana needs to play with a team that can teach him how to utilise his talent. Lancashire also needs the match experience if he is going to make it. Saga I would let go because he doesn't fit comfortably in our set-up. He did do more running yesterday but a lot of it was just a waste of time and effort. At least he lked more interested than usual.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 I may get laughed at and abused but, we let players go out on loan occasionally don't we. Therefore I would suggest we could let James, Lallana and Lancashire go out. James has not been very good so far this season and might benefit. Lallana needs to play with a team that can teach him how to utilise his talent. Lancashire also needs the match experience if he is going to make it. Saga I would let go because he doesn't fit comfortably in our set-up. He did do more running yesterday but a lot of it was just a waste of time and effort. At least he lked more interested than usual. Very reasonable and no cause for laughter and abuse from me. I also agree with your view of Saganowski's performance yesterday which makes me wonder if Gemmel was at the game. He gave me the impression he was at least trying for a change but things did not come for him and it looked like a hopless cause chasing hopeless causes and his lack of pace is really telling.
Genk Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 I love how so many football fans base whether an attacking player has had a good game based on goals. I am adamant that you cannot totally understand how the game is played unless you have played the game yourself at an 11-aside decent level. I know thats quite a controversial post, but thats how I feel, not trying to set this thread off in another direction. Especially when you hear people moaning about tactics on the terraces.
St.Thomas7 Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Just having a look at this and going back to the initial post, I was there, I was sat in Block 10 Itchen so was at the end Waigo was attacking in line with the edge of the box. Waigo did only get 20mins which actually co-incided with the referee losing it a bit and going card happy for the fun of it, Papa in fact picked up a very harsh booking for closing a Yeovil defender down and winning the ball, which in itself says someting. He was closing down. He ran and ran and ran, apparently something we're crying out for according to many on here. He was caught offside 4 times with 3 looking and harsh and I'm willing to say 2 of which weren't offside at all. He got a couple of shots in and actually troubled their goalie who to be fair hadn't had alot to do (except pick Lamberts pens out of the net) prior to Waigo's arrival. He looks good and thats from the short amount of time he's been given. IMO and from what little i can gather from this brief outing he will get better as he adapts to 3rd tier football. I hope that's a little more useful than someone saying he's not that great when they haven't even seen him play. I can only assume that judgement was based on the fact he wasn't featured on The football league show highlights?
trousers Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 This thread summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. Moan, bloody moan. Whinge, bloody whinge. If it isn't one thing its another. If it ain't that, its something else. Nothing is perfect hence everything is crap.Starts with some t w@* who HASN'T EVEN ESEEN THE GAME(!!!!!) slaggin off a player who has been on the pitch for 20 minutes. Jeez... this club deserves everything it gets and more. Bring bakc Lowe - we desrve him. But what's worse? People moaning or people moaning about people moaning? Good moaning all :-)
trousers Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 We got the ball far enough forward in the last 20 minutes for one of our players to be offside 3 times? Sounds like a blooming triumph to me!
Draino76 Posted 21 September, 2009 Author Posted 21 September, 2009 This thread summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. Moan, bloody moan. Whinge, bloody whinge. If it isn't one thing its another. If it ain't that, its something else. Nothing is perfect hence everything is crap.Starts with some t w@* who HASN'T EVEN ESEEN THE GAME(!!!!!) slaggin off a player who has been on the pitch for 20 minutes. Jeez... this club deserves everything it gets and more. Bring bakc Lowe - we desrve him. Your post summarises what is totally sh!t about this forum. HTH.
saintbenny Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Just having a look at this and going back to the initial post, I was there, I was sat in Block 10 Itchen so was at the end Waigo was attacking in line with the edge of the box. Waigo did only get 20mins which actually co-incided with the referee losing it a bit and going card happy for the fun of it, Papa in fact picked up a very harsh booking for closing a Yeovil defender down and winning the ball, which in itself says someting. He was closing down. He ran and ran and ran, apparently something we're crying out for according to many on here. He was caught offside 4 times with 3 looking and harsh and I'm willing to say 2 of which weren't offside at all. He got a couple of shots in and actually troubled their goalie who to be fair hadn't had alot to do (except pick Lamberts pens out of the net) prior to Waigo's arrival. He looks good and thats from the short amount of time he's been given. IMO and from what little i can gather from this brief outing he will get better as he adapts to 3rd tier football. I hope that's a little more useful than someone saying he's not that great when they haven't even seen him play. I can only assume that judgement was based on the fact he wasn't featured on The football league show highlights? Totally agree. When Mills and Waigo came on we looked a different side. For me Mills has to start. He looked bright and full of running, he also delivered two of the best corners I have seen saints deliver in a long time. The only downside of the day for me was that I arrived too late to get tickets for the Northem (came from Liverpool) so ended up in the Kingsland...good view but no atmosphere!!
GenevaSaint Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Totally agree. When Mills and Waigo came on we looked a different side. For me Mills has to start. He looked bright and full of running, he also delivered two of the best corners I have seen saints deliver in a long time. The only downside of the day for me was that I arrived too late to get tickets for the Northem (came from Liverpool) so ended up in the Kingsland...good view but no atmosphere!! Get in block 35, best atmosphere in the ground apart from Northam and you can actually sit down to watch the game.
Gemmel Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Very reasonable and no cause for laughter and abuse from me. I also agree with your view of Saganowski's performance yesterday which makes me wonder if Gemmel was at the game. He gave me the impression he was at least trying for a change but things did not come for him and it looked like a hopless cause chasing hopeless causes and his lack of pace is really telling. I'm a fan of Saga, but his performance on Saturday was well short of what he can deliver. Didn't seem to anticipate Lamberts flick on's and was blowing out of his arse mid way through the first half. I expected him to be subbed at half time. I must have missed the chasing down of lost causes, because for my money it was a lazy and unacceptable performance from a player who looked like he didn't want to be out there.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 I'm a fan of Saga, but his performance on Saturday was well short of what he can deliver. Didn't seem to anticipate Lamberts flick on's and was blowing out of his arse mid way through the first half. I expected him to be subbed at half time. I must have missed the chasing down of lost causes, because for my money it was a lazy and unacceptable performance from a player who looked like he didn't want to be out there. In general I agree with your view on Saganowski and your assessment can easily be applied to all the games he has played in this season and most of last. In fact most since his 10 goal haul in his first season with us on loan since when he has barely flattered to deceive. It's Rudi Skacel mark II. However, to be fair there was more signs of industry from him on Saturday and I think he actually gave the impression (for a change) he wanted to be out there but like you say if he is still blowing out through his arse and is either past it or doesn't consider us or his career important enough to work harder in training. Seems to me we have a player who believes he is an International but unable to perform in the 3rd tier of English Football. Trouble is how do we get rid of him and off the books as I am sure we could get two quality players in on his wages.
OldNick Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 he had pace that frightened the oppostion, he had enthusiasm and he showed he had some trickery.Yes he got caught offside, but this is L1 and so we dont need Ronaldo, he may well be another threat to add to the side and perhaps will help free up some space for lambert who is getting little help from his other strike partner.
OldNick Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 I'm a fan of Saga, but his performance on Saturday was well short of what he can deliver. Didn't seem to anticipate Lamberts flick on's and was blowing out of his arse mid way through the first half. I expected him to be subbed at half time. I must have missed the chasing down of lost causes, because for my money it was a lazy and unacceptable performance from a player who looked like he didn't want to be out there. im not a fan of Saga and you have got it right there.I will admit he did chase the odd lost cause but it was interesting how AP gve a criticism of how Lambert was not supported. I do hope we have notmissed the boat in ridding ourselves of him and we can get someone in
Saint 76er Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Yes, we need Papa playing up front alongside Rickie and yes we need two wingers to provide width and crosses. Mills looks good on the left, but do we have a right winger? Well yes, maybe, as I seem to recall that when he arrived here Lee Holmes stated in an interview that he was a natural right footer but had somehow ended up on the left wing! So, Mills left and Holmes on the right sounds pretty good to me. Should get some decent service to the front men happening then...
hypochondriac Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Yes, we need Papa playing up front alongside Rickie and yes we need two wingers to provide width and crosses. Mills looks good on the left, but do we have a right winger? Well yes, maybe, as I seem to recall that when he arrived here Lee Holmes stated in an interview that he was a natural right footer but had somehow ended up on the left wing! So, Mills left and Holmes on the right sounds pretty good to me. Should get some decent service to the front men happening then... Problem is AP isn't going to drop Lallana.
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Pardew recognises that Waigo must be nurtured and blooded carefully into this team and this type of football. 20 mins is good for now it will probably be 30 at Brunton Park as long as we are not chasing the game. If we're 3-0 down don't expect to see him. As for him being offside, don't forget he is up against lumbering defences and third rate officials where his speed of thought, reaction and pace are way beyond what these clowns are used to. He'll always look offside to these plodders 'cos they'll only see his movement when he is 5 yards past the back four. If the liney isn't actually capable of looking in two places at once, i.e., when the ball is last kicked and where Waigo was standing at the time, then our man will have no chance as the clowns will err on the side of safety and flag anyway. Pardew has to wise him up to this and tell him how to get away with it, like run diagonally rather than straight and do something overt that attracts liney's attention in the build up.
aintforever Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Whoever started this thread is a penis.
Eastcowzer Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 i thought most of the offsides were the lino being crap. Yuo are quite right. The DH linesman jumped the gun at least twice, and flagged before the ball was kicked. apart from being the only person in St Mary's to see a hand to ball incident that eveyone, inc'the referee, thought was offside. Thank God the linesman wasn't on goal-line duty. (Another waste of time and money).
Winchester Red Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 I was at the game on Saturday and sit in the Itchen pretty much in line with most of the Papa offside decisions. Whilst I think alot of the stuff in this thread is hysterical there are some facts you can't ignore about the 10 offsides in the last 20 minutes. Half of them were down to Papa seeing an opportunity to get clear of the defencive line but he was just way to quick on the move for the midfielder coming into possession of the ball. I say 'coming into possession' of the ball because on at least 3 out of the 4 occasions he had broken the defensive line before the ball had reached the player who would need to have put him through. So maybe it's just timing and understanding - BUT THAT IS BEING VERY KIND! On at least 4 other occasions he was standing with his back to the oppositions goal, 5 to 10 years offside, and calling for a pass. He could clearly see the whole defence the wrong side of him by a very long way when he was calling for it. Our guys must have wondered what he was on! It could be as FF says and he just doesn't understand the rule. It could be that he really isn't very bright (Sorry - to any I offend by that comment), but I found those particular offsides very worrying. My son in his school side would have been screamed at by the teacher for that.
Tamesaint Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 In general I agree with your view on Saganowski and your assessment can easily be applied to all the games he has played in this season and most of last. In fact most since his 10 goal haul in his first season with us on loan since when he has barely flattered to deceive. It's Rudi Skacel mark II. However, to be fair there was more signs of industry from him on Saturday and I think he actually gave the impression (for a change) he wanted to be out there but like you say if he is still blowing out through his arse and is either past it or doesn't consider us or his career important enough to work harder in training. Seems to me we have a player who believes he is an International but unable to perform in the 3rd tier of English Football. Trouble is how do we get rid of him and off the books as I am sure we could get two quality players in on his wages. You know NC , you can talk a lot of sense when you drop the trolling lark!!
St. Jason Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 You know NC , you can talk a lot of sense when you drop the trolling lark!! Hate to say it but I'm actually considering taking NC of my ignore list after reading that post. Good shout NC!
The9 Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Keeps getting caught offside etc. Was not at the game today sadly; but is he all that he's cracked up to be? I fecking hope so. Linesman was wrong at least twice and his dummy when he got booked and the near post shot were plenty promising enough for his 20 minutes. He didn't actually give us an end product though, which was food for thought.
Saint 76er Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 Problem is AP isn't going to drop Lallana. Can't keep playing AL as a winger, it doesn't work and is wasting his talents. Adam is still learning and improving as a player, time to play him CM effectively in the 'hole' behind Rickie and Papa, with Hammo DM and the two wingers. Leaves us with a decent bench too with Morgan, James, Saga etc, but will AP drop all/any of these?
saintwarwick Posted 22 September, 2009 Posted 22 September, 2009 The best view of Waigo was from the Chapel end of the Kingsland. He definitely presented a threat with his speed and showed some clever touches. Saints were more on top after he came on. Taking a near post shot, when he might have been expected to cross, was a good move, and resulted in the keeper having to concede a corner. IMHO he looked more likely to score than any other player. Absolutely correct, one thing should be pointed out and that is he had a shot at goal within two minutes of coming on and that was our first shot at goal in open play.
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 September, 2009 Posted 22 September, 2009 Absolutely correct, one thing should be pointed out and that is he had a shot at goal within two minutes of coming on and that was our first shot at goal in open play. There was a header before that which hit the keeper. We were unlucky not to score.
saintwarwick Posted 22 September, 2009 Posted 22 September, 2009 There was a header before that which hit the keeper. We were unlucky not to score. I thought that was after and I don't know how that was kept out tbh.
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