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the edl are just another bunch of sad numpties as far as i am concerned.

 

And I agree with that, the real point being as I suggested at the outset of this thread is that there are laws in place which are supposed to deter incitement to violence etc but this pathetic Government we have is clueless in just about every respect.

After reading 400+ posts on here I'm not in any doubt that the EDL is just another group designed to provoke more violence and to be honest the amount of comments on this thread which are racist, abusive or in some cases both is staggering. Frankly I'm amazed it's still going.

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And I agree with that, the real point being as I suggested at the outset of this thread is that there are laws in place which are supposed to deter incitement to violence etc but this pathetic Government we have is clueless in just about every respect.

After reading 400+ posts on here I'm not in any doubt that the EDL is just another group designed to provoke more violence and to be honest the amount of comments on this thread which are racist, abusive or in some cases both is staggering. Frankly I'm amazed it's still going.

where are these racist comments...why do people throw that word around so much..?

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And I agree with that, the real point being as I suggested at the outset of this thread is that there are laws in place which are supposed to deter incitement to violence etc but this pathetic Government we have is clueless in just about every respect.

After reading 400+ posts on here I'm not in any doubt that the EDL is just another group designed to provoke more violence and to be honest the amount of comments on this thread which are racist, abusive or in some cases both is staggering. Frankly I'm amazed it's still going.

 

Where are all the racist comments?

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And I agree with that, the real point being as I suggested at the outset of this thread is that there are laws in place which are supposed to deter incitement to violence etc but this pathetic Government we have is clueless in just about every respect.

After reading 400+ posts on here I'm not in any doubt that the EDL is just another group designed to provoke more violence and to be honest the amount of comments on this thread which are racist, abusive or in some cases both is staggering. Frankly I'm amazed it's still going.

i agree and the sad old bigots do not even recognise it .
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Unfortunately it's clear certain people wouldn't recognise when something was racist if it smacked them in the face. I did expect a response from a few and if you think there is nothing racist about some of the comments on here then more fool you. I'm certainly not going to drag out this nonsense still further by pointing out the obvious.

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Unfortunately it's clear certain people wouldn't recognise when something was racist if it smacked them in the face. I did expect a response from a few and if you think there is nothing racist about some of the comments on here then more fool you. I'm certainly not going to drag out this nonsense still further by pointing out the obvious.

 

 

you cant quote the (whole) posts where YOU think racism exists...

 

just like to throw that word around to make yourself feel better

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TDD, even allowing for your intentions being good, you are talking a bit of drivel here and there.

This.. "..you dont seem bothered about extremist nutters that would rather you were dead.. " is a doozy.

 

HMM...maybe

 

not a suprise to me its their agenda and you can see posters on here with their own pet hates.

i am more worried about the work shy and layabouts and spongers who have been on the dole for year and houseing benefits and who we keep paying for,then these micky mouse toytown soldiers.

 

then again..?

 

what than Muslim extremists that would rather YOU were dead..?

 

odd

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but he doesnt..

 

I wonder if the lad that used to post on here that was blown up (by said nutters) on 7/7 had a similar attitude....others on here changed after that day

 

Given that I'm far more likely to get run over or die of food poisoning than ever be at risk from a terrorist attack I worry about more important things "I've got a yogurt in my fridge that goes off today".

 

The EDL would save a lot more life if they promoted the safe storage of raw meats.

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Given that I'm far more likely to get run over or die of food poisoning than ever be at risk from a terrorist attack I worry about more important things "I've got a yogurt in my fridge that goes off today".

 

The EDL would save a lot more life if they promoted the safe storage of raw meats.

indeed..as with many protests...are they all pointless or should we not bother...?

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No, the OP is all about some sort of pseudo-Nazism as far as the evidence shows.

probably right....but whole take on it was that people are FAR too dismissive of these groups...

 

as I said before, only a few years ago, we were told that the BNP will never get more than a few council seats in certain parts of the country...now they have seats on the european parliamant (and I think) have more than the 3rd major party in the UK...!

 

now we have the EDL popping up..and when this faze runs out it will be another then another...UNTIL people look at why...too easy to dismiss it/them as a bunch of racist thugs...that is what they have been doing to the BNP and now they sit in an international parliament and will soon be on Question Time as they HAVE to be treated as a ligitimate political party...when this could have been avoided..

 

I dont want racism in this country..but I wont dismiss out of hand groups liek EDL..I tend to try and have a look at what they are tryingt to say and why....not doing so (imo) is just slowly giving more power to them and probably the BNP

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probably right....but whole take on it was that people are FAR too dismissive of these groups...

 

as I said before, only a few years ago, we were told that the BNP will never get more than a few council seats in certain parts of the country...now they have seats on the european parliamant (and I think) have more than the 3rd major party in the UK...!

 

Oh behave, you do know the only reason BNP got it was because of a unusually low turn out, and before you say this boosted the BNP, they in fact got LESS votes than the previous bi-election.

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No, the OP is all about some sort of pseudo-Nazism as far as the evidence shows.

 

Could you show me said Nazism on any of my posts?Ive explained my position,and wont repeat it too a lot of idiots who read something totally different to the words put in front of them!We are Non-racist,and have mixed race members amongst us!FACT!Probably wont suit certain people still riding their rather high horses though.Dont mind debating,but debate what you have been told,not what you think you been told!

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Still haven't answered what you consider is acceptable as a level of immigration. How do you think Winchester would do with 5,000 immigrants of any kind? 10,000?

 

I not going to pretend to know what would happen, it could go either way, it could benefit the city in a lot of ways or it could be a flash-point to race-related aggression, but winchester hasn't got much of an alienated working-class, which is what groups like the EDL rely on.

 

There's just been a very serious thing on radio 4 about the EDL, and yes, radio 4 is all very middle-class and politically fairly left-wing. it was the bbc though trying to look at the group as objectively as possible and it went to lengths to air the grievances of the white working-class communities in Luton and Leeds, and it admitted that from certain angles it can look like they are getting a raw deal. but when they spoke to EDL supporters the line of 'we're against radicals' has already been over-taken by a general anti-muslim agenda, these people blame literally everything that this is wrong with their lives on the muslim population, everything.

 

and the line 'we attract violent elements' was aired again and again, but as the reporter looked into the EDL, all he found was a disparate collection of far-right elements, hiding underneath the EDL banner. it has no way or regulating its members, any random inter-net forum weirdo (:cool:) is just invited along. it has no political centre, its never accepted any invitations to discuss their grievances with the council or the police or other groups. they plan protests with the police, promise to stay in the allotted areas but then all gather in the pubs at the centre of muslim communities, waiting to draw an aggressive reaction out of the locals, which of course happens. one day, one of these fascist thugs is going to get what's coming to him and get lynched by the locals, and then what, a martyr to an army of morons? god help us.

 

and the bbc spoke to the police who are seriously worried that the EDL is going to start a terrorist campaign, far-right forums are full talk of war, and how to build home-made explosives, its supporters ared linked to far-right terrorist organisations around the world.

 

and here's the ironic part, the image of the EDL given by this programme is one of a collection of extremist and violent groups who have been given a sense of unity by a provocative name and the extreme reactions its drawing from just about anyone with a pulse. remind you of another terrorist organisation?

 

its like ra-ee-ain etc

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And I agree with that, the real point being as I suggested at the outset of this thread is that there are laws in place which are supposed to deter incitement to violence etc but this pathetic Government we have is clueless in just about every respect.

After reading 400+ posts on here I'm not in any doubt that the EDL is just another group designed to provoke more violence and to be honest the amount of comments on this thread which are racist, abusive or in some cases both is staggering. Frankly I'm amazed it's still going.

 

Would you care to point out a single racist post on this thread.

 

Misinformed maybe, but I don't see racisim.

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Could you show me said Nazism on any of my posts?Ive explained my position,and wont repeat it too a lot of idiots who read something totally different to the words put in front of them!We are Non-racist,and have mixed race members amongst us!FACT!Probably wont suit certain people still riding their rather high horses though.Dont mind debating,but debate what you have been told,not what you think you been told!

 

So if that really is the case Bigtoe, please could you tell us what measures the leaders/organisers of the EDL are taking to root out and remove the violent, racist members who have joined up and taken part in your demonstrations?

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Already answered that point TBH ( post 408 )

 

That's a bit arrogant imo, Kadeem is a nutbag and his post should be taken for how it was intended, however, you have made an allegation of racism and I respectfully ask you highlight those posts/posters(genuine ones) who are guilty, I for one would not want to miss something that should be smacking me in the face.

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Unfortunately it's clear certain people wouldn't recognise when something was racist if it smacked them in the face. I did expect a response from a few and if you think there is nothing racist about some of the comments on here then more fool you. I'm certainly not going to drag out this nonsense still further by pointing out the obvious.

yep they are a bit slow and they are still in denial but we can all see them for what they are..

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I not going to pretend to know what would happen, it could go either way, it could benefit the city in a lot of ways or it could be a flash-point to race-related aggression, but winchester hasn't got much of an alienated working-class, which is what groups like the EDL rely on.

 

There's just been a very serious thing on radio 4 about the EDL, and yes, radio 4 is all very middle-class and politically fairly left-wing. it was the bbc though trying to look at the group as objectively as possible and it went to lengths to air the grievances of the white working-class communities in Luton and Leeds, and it admitted that from certain angles it can look like they are getting a raw deal. but when they spoke to EDL supporters the line of 'we're against radicals' has already been over-taken by a general anti-muslim agenda, these people blame literally everything that this is wrong with their lives on the muslim population, everything.

 

and the line 'we attract violent elements' was aired again and again, but as the reporter looked into the EDL, all he found was a disparate collection of far-right elements, hiding underneath the EDL banner. it has no way or regulating its members, any random inter-net forum weirdo (:cool:) is just invited along. it has no political centre, its never accepted any invitations to discuss their grievances with the council or the police or other groups. they plan protests with the police, promise to stay in the allotted areas but then all gather in the pubs at the centre of muslim communities, waiting to draw an aggressive reaction out of the locals, which of course happens. one day, one of these fascist thugs is going to get what's coming to him and get lynched by the locals, and then what, a martyr to an army of morons? god help us.

 

and the bbc spoke to the police who are seriously worried that the EDL is going to start a terrorist campaign, far-right forums are full talk of war, and how to build home-made explosives, its supporters ared linked to far-right terrorist organisations around the world.

 

and here's the ironic part, the image of the EDL given by this programme is one of a collection of extremist and violent groups who have been given a sense of unity by a provocative name and the extreme reactions its drawing from just about anyone with a pulse. remind you of another terrorist organisation?

 

its like ra-ee-ain etc

like the outher nazi,s they will say its not true.

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Given that I'm far more likely to get run over or die of food poisoning than ever be at risk from a terrorist attack I worry about more important things "I've got a yogurt in my fridge that goes off today".

 

The EDL would save a lot more life if they promoted the safe storage of raw meats.

 

good post but i bet delldays see,s reds under the beds:D

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I not going to pretend to know what would happen, it could go either way, it could benefit the city in a lot of ways or it could be a flash-point to race-related aggression, but winchester hasn't got much of an alienated working-class, which is what groups like the EDL rely on.

 

There's just been a very serious thing on radio 4 about the EDL, and yes, radio 4 is all very middle-class and politically fairly left-wing. it was the bbc though trying to look at the group as objectively as possible and it went to lengths to air the grievances of the white working-class communities in Luton and Leeds, and it admitted that from certain angles it can look like they are getting a raw deal. but when they spoke to EDL supporters the line of 'we're against radicals' has already been over-taken by a general anti-muslim agenda, these people blame literally everything that this is wrong with their lives on the muslim population, everything.

 

and the line 'we attract violent elements' was aired again and again, but as the reporter looked into the EDL, all he found was a disparate collection of far-right elements, hiding underneath the EDL banner. it has no way or regulating its members, any random inter-net forum weirdo (:cool:) is just invited along. it has no political centre, its never accepted any invitations to discuss their grievances with the council or the police or other groups. they plan protests with the police, promise to stay in the allotted areas but then all gather in the pubs at the centre of muslim communities, waiting to draw an aggressive reaction out of the locals, which of course happens. one day, one of these fascist thugs is going to get what's coming to him and get lynched by the locals, and then what, a martyr to an army of morons? god help us.

 

and the bbc spoke to the police who are seriously worried that the EDL is going to start a terrorist campaign, far-right forums are full talk of war, and how to build home-made explosives, its supporters ared linked to far-right terrorist organisations around the world.

 

and here's the ironic part, the image of the EDL given by this programme is one of a collection of extremist and violent groups who have been given a sense of unity by a provocative name and the extreme reactions its drawing from just about anyone with a pulse. remind you of another terrorist organisation?

 

its like ra-ee-ain etc

 

At least you've partly hit on the fact that you don't know what the impact of large scale immigration into Winchester would be - surprising coming from someone that is "pro-immigration", I thought you would be praising how brilliant it would be. At the end of the day, you live in Winchester, a comfortable, white, middle-class cathedral city and you enjoy belittling those less fortunate than yourself who find themselves living in Luton, Bradford or East London and have found their communities swamped over the last 30 years by immigrants who show little effort at intergration. I wouldn't be surprised if the limit to your interaction with immigrants is being able to get a builder on the cheap or using a late-night petrol station or mini-cab, all nice, positive contributions to your comfortable middle-class life? As opposed to being the only English family living in your street? Or your kids attending classes where a significant number of other pupils cannot speak English? Or your local shop being turned into an Islamic bookshop?

 

I've got no doubt that those running and organising the EDL are not the sharpest political minds this country has to offer and that eventualy the EDL will fade away. But the majority are not violent extremists, but just normal blokes who feel that there is a genuine, growing threat from islamic extremists. They're probably not going about it the right way and partly because of that and partly because of the extent of negative media coverage they are receiving it will put off a much greater number of more presentable supporters who believe in their message, but would not want their faces splashed across the Guardian with a "neo-nazi" comparison story or being chased and attacked by hundreds of muslim youths.

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The whole "Muslims = terrorists" mantra (implied or otherwise) by the EDL, plus the linking of wholly misinformed immigration levels to terrorism, which somehow happened halfway through this thread, are both examples of racial prejudism. The idea that the head would be cut from the problem by getting rid of non English/immigrants is very similar to the Nazi ideal of ridding Germany of the non Aryans. If you cannot see that both the words "Racist" and "Nazi" can be used to describe certain posts then you're the one who's pretty bad, tbh.

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The whole "Muslims = terrorists" mantra (implied or otherwise) by the EDL, plus the linking of wholly misinformed immigration levels to terrorism, which somehow happened halfway through this thread, are both examples of racial prejudism. The idea that the head would be cut from the problem by getting rid of non English/immigrants is very similar to the Nazi ideal of ridding Germany of the non Aryans. If you cannot see that both the words "Racist" and "Nazi" can be used to describe certain posts then you're the one who's pretty bad, tbh.

 

This thread was moved onto immigration by those "to the left". For what its worth, there are issues connected with mass immigration, non-intergration and the development of development of Islamic extremism.

 

Not once has anyone said that by getting rid of all immigrants the problem of Islamic extremism would be solved, you're the only one to say that.

 

Your method of shouting "nazi" or "racist" at those who's views differ to your own show a similar level of small-mindedness and prejudice as those you claim to oppose.

 

Still struggling to pick out any clearly racist posts out of the several hundred as well.........

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This thread was moved onto immigration by those "to the left". For what its worth, there are issues connected with mass immigration, non-intergration and the development of development of Islamic extremism.

 

Not once has anyone said that by getting rid of all immigrants the problem of Islamic extremism would be solved, you're the only one to say that.

 

Your method of shouting "nazi" or "racist" at those who's views differ to your own show a similar level of small-mindedness and prejudice as those you claim to oppose.

 

Still struggling to pick out any clearly racist posts out of the several hundred as well.........

I'm actually pretty open-minded, I've just read enough on the subject to know that aggression is not the way to defeat the perceived terror-threat and that immigration is far from being at "out of control" levels.

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Given that the started objectives of the EDL (according to the OP on this thread) is solely to target Muslim extremists, not Muslims, or any other racial minority in general, can they tell us how exactly they plan to do this? Are there a list of named individuals who are confirmed extremists? How will they ensure that non extremists are not in any way affected by their actions?

 

Also, is Southampton an area known for it's Muslim extremists? I have never heard of any significant issues emanating from Southampton i.e suicide attacks on the mass population, so unless I've missed them why is there a need for EDL in Southampton?

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Given that the started objectives of the EDL (according to the OP on this thread) is solely to target Muslim extremists, not Muslims, or any other racial minority in general, can they tell us how exactly they plan to do this? Are there a list of named individuals who are confirmed extremists? How will they ensure that non extremists are not in any way affected by their actions?

 

Also, is Southampton an area known for it's Muslim extremists? I have never heard of any significant issues emanating from Southampton i.e suicide attacks on the mass population, so unless I've missed them why is there a need for EDL in Southampton?

 

You are BLIND to the truth! You don't want to hear the facts! The EDL are NOT racist! You are more racist than the non racist EDL by suggesting that the EDL may not just target extremist Muslims. You would probably be HAPPY if someone did conduct a suicide mission to southampton. You would rather wait for the Muslims to be ruling us than take action now.

 

Is the sort of thing you can expect as a response to your sensible post.

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Given that the started objectives of the EDL (according to the OP on this thread) is solely to target Muslim extremists, not Muslims, or any other racial minority in general, can they tell us how exactly they plan to do this? Are there a list of named individuals who are confirmed extremists? How will they ensure that non extremists are not in any way affected by their actions?

 

Also, is Southampton an area known for it's Muslim extremists? I have never heard of any significant issues emanating from Southampton i.e suicide attacks on the mass population, so unless I've missed them why is there a need for EDL in Southampton?

i think they will start putting stars of david or numbers on their body so they can tell which muslim is the extremists and then goosestep to their next rally .
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