Echo raises fans Issue !

[eurosaint]

Top post.

 

By the way, best 'people moaning at moaners' thread in a long while. ;-)

 

Roll on the Saints Web Forum !

[Saint Fen]

This is the point though Delldays. On here does not f*cking matter. The results we've been getting do not reflect the improvements that have been made.

As for an earlier point Alpine made about Pardew getting his substitutions wrong V Charlton, I wholeheartedly disagree. We spent the last 5 minutes in Charltons half, most of it within 25 yards of their goal.

We finished up with a point against the league leaders with a 100% win record - i'd say he got it spot on.

 

I have to agree with the Subs against Charlton were ok. Thought we did alright most of the game, although pegged back a bit in the second half. Subs were good, Jaidi coming on as they were getting more and more crosses into the box, he took Mills of and brought Mellis on at the right time.

 

Pardrew is starting to get things right, especially after the mess up at Swindon really couldn't believe how he set us up and refused to change it! I think he just needs time, we're come good, sooner rather than later.

 

The start hasn't been the greatest and thats why people are starting to doubt him. Look at people like Parkinson who I would have bet on at the end of last season not being Charltons Manager, he's totally changed it round. Time is what Managers need to shape their own team.

[Legod Third Coming]

I think the big problem here is that those of us who are called 'happy clappers' (ie we are content to sit back and watch, do our bit with regards to supporting the team and prepared to allow the plans to unfold) have nothing to moan about.

 

Therefore, moaners give us an excellent outlet for our pent up frustration...

[sadoldgit]

This is what I absolutley detest about this site. Twisting facts to set an agenda.

 

I was dead against the appointment of Woodward, because of celebrity baggage issues and the suspicion the club was being used and that he was being groomed as some sort of successor to Redknapp simply because he agreed with Lowe.

 

I was NEVER against sports psychology per se, and I made that point clear on COUNTLESS occasions.

 

But that doesnt suit your window of opportunity to have a dig, does it ?

 

Hmmmm, so we are a club with no ambition (your recent quote) yet we hire the biggest name is sports psychology but you find other spurious reasons to slag off his appointment??? How do you know that he was being groomed as a successor to replace Redknapp simply because he agreed with Lowe? Maybe it was because he had something to offer (knowing a thing or two about sports psychology and winning). I am having a dig because you are inconsistant.

 

I doubt very much if you had complained if Wilde had brought him in. Quite the opposite I suspect.

[Saint Fan CaM]

As a generalisation this is true. It certainly cannot be argued that a stadium full of fans booing the players is going to have a positive affect on the teams' performance when compared to a stadium full of people cheering on the team.

 

But we are not discussing crowds at a match, are we? On the forums, in the newspapers, away from the stadium, we can surely judge and be judged differently. For example, under the conditions of recent past history, was it better that we had the total unity that might have kept the incompetent past board in place, or was it better that dissent, criticism, protests, boycotts achieved the end result that we removed them and therefore allowed the new owners to become a possibility?

 

I don't see anybody really calling for Pardew to be replaced and I certainly am generally happy with what he has done since his arrival. But this is a forum of opinions, so instead of total agreement, it is permitted for posters to disagree with team selection, tactics, players and other things that come under the remit of the manager without being accused of being disruptive influences which might jeopardise our progress. After all, even the owners of a successful business like to hear feedback from their customers on what could be improved in the way of prices, quality of service, etc.

 

 

Far, far too sensible a post Wes I'm afraid. Oh and watch out for the incoming because you've called us all 'customers'. lol

[Saint Fan CaM]

Hmmmm, so we are a club with no ambition (your recent quote) yet we hire the biggest name is sports psychology but you find other spurious reasons to slag off his appointment??? How do you know that he was being groomed as a successor to replace Redknapp simply because he agreed with Lowe? Maybe it was because he had something to offer (knowing a thing or two about sports psychology and winning). I am having a dig because you are inconsistant.

 

I doubt very much if you had complained if Wilde had brought him in. Quite the opposite I suspect.

 

Perhaps Alpine (like me) thought that hiring SCW was not exactly the type of 'ambition' that was needed at that time. Some decent investment in decent players to improve the team might have been a good idea, rather than trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Perhaps some might not even consider SCW as the "biggest name in sports psychology"? This surely is just someones opinion - don't see any inconsistency in Alpines position atall TBF.

[Saint_clark]

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Well said AP.

[sadoldgit]

Perhaps Alpine (like me) thought that hiring SCW was not exactly the type of 'ambition' that was needed at that time. Some decent investment in decent players to improve the team might have been a good idea, rather than trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Perhaps some might not even consider SCW as the "biggest name in sports psychology"? This surely is just someones opinion - don't see any inconsistency in Alpines position atall TBF.

 

Good for you. If someone can get 2% or 3% out of the players that could make the difference between staying up and going down. It is not as if we were winning matches for fun was it. Maybe he isn't the biggest name in sports psychology. But after winning the World Cup he was certainly one of the biggest names. Can anyone here (without Google) come up with any other contempory names???

 

If Alpine believed in that stuff you would think he would have creamed his jeans at the appointment of someone (proven) like Woodward. To say he only slagged him off becaise of his celebrity is ridiculous. I guess he slagged off the Keegan signing too then??? Didn't we become a media circus then too?

[Legod Third Coming]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1800242,00.html

 

Well said AP.

 

Lol not much difference between Florence and Hungerford...

[SFC Forever]

I was at swindon and that has been the poorest we have played this season. We had no drive for the majority of the game and could have let more than the one goal in.

That said we have improved a great deal since then and I can't wait for the mighty saints to begin delivering. Starting with Yeovil I am confident that the wins are about to begin rolling in like clockwork.

A very very small minority seem to wish the worst just so that they can continue to moan with or without sense.

AP has brought several players in and I think that they have all added to our strength. We will almost certainly add more in the January window. By my reckoning we will be the team to beat next season.

[Thedelldays]

I was at swindon and that has been the poorest we have played this season. We had no drive for the majority of the game and could have let more than the one goal in.

That said we have improved a great deal since then and I can't wait for the mighty saints to begin delivering. Starting with Yeovil I am confident that the wins are about to begin rolling in like clockwork.

A very very small minority seem to wish the worst just so that they can continue to moan with or without sense.

AP has brought several players in and I think that they have all added to our strength. We will almost certainly add more in the January window. By my reckoning we will be the team to beat next season.

but they dont..if anything they want us to win more...or have hoped more from a massively expensive team

[alpine_saint]

This is where I feel some sympathy to the views raised by DD, Alpine and SnailOB (welcome to the forum, by the way).

 

We have bought the division's leading scorer and suddenly his ability to score goals appears to have vanished. It's almost as if Lallana is our best striker at the moment on goals scored. If Saga was good enough to represent his country and play in the Champions' league, he has the pedigree to score in the English third division, surely? So who would be the striker to bring in? A top scorer in this division? We already tried that. A striker from a much higher level? We already have one. Perhaps it is time to try an on form striker from the 4th division.

 

Surely a part of the problem is that the strikers are not getting the service from the midfield. Most have moaned at one time or another that we hardly ever play with any width, as we do not have the wide men with pace. Maybe Waigo will be the answer. From set pieces like corners, Lallana's deliveries are often awful, so perhaps somebody else should be given a go. Murty's deliveries from corners and throws were exceptional, but surely somebody else has better ability than Lallana, perhaps James until he returns, (if ever)

 

St. Marco and others speak of the importance of allowing the team to gel together. This is a connundrum for me, as although Saints players notoriously take a massive amount of time to gel together, other makeshift teams seem to meld together much more quickly. Other teams have the losing mentality, but manage to turn it around quite quickly with the injection of new players or a new manager. I'm not having a go at Pardew, as I think that he has done a great job so far of bringing in some pretty decent players to replace those who are not good enough, or have left. Also, thank God, he is the first manager for some time to both bring in players for specific positions and play them there and also address the defensive weaknesses we have endured since the Premiership days with Killer and Claus at the heart of things.

 

So when we talk of the team gelling, what do we mean exactly? These players are supposed to be professionals and ought to be able to do the job that their positions have taught them to do through experience. Defenders should be able to defend effectively by good positioning, hard accurate tackling, ability to hold a line to catch forwards offside and ability to clear their lines. Midfielders ought to be able to track back to help the defence, pass forward to the strikers, etc. Strikers ought to be able to hold up the ball waiting for reinforcements and the ability to shoot on sight or provide the scoring chance for their fellow striker.

 

All this is fundamental stuff and we have a decent blend of players who ought to be able to fashion themselves into a good team in this division.

 

So why this emphasis on the team gelling? All that is left if they have the basic abilities, is for them to be able to understand the players around them in the team, to predict what they are likely to do in any given situation, to develop a camaraderie and spirit amongst themselves. Surely that is something that is already well underway on the training ground and only the new players need to gain that understanding. But why make such a big thing about it? If it had any real validity as a basis for debate, how about the situation about players in the reserves? They get to know how their reserve team mates like to play and all of a sudden they are deemed good enough to be promoted to the first team where they might not be used to playing with half of the players. How long do they then need to gel with their team mates before they are effective?

 

Far, far, far too much balance and common sense for these parts, my friend...

[alpine_saint]

Perhaps Alpine (like me) thought that hiring SCW was not exactly the type of 'ambition' that was needed at that time. Some decent investment in decent players to improve the team might have been a good idea, rather than trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Perhaps some might not even consider SCW as the "biggest name in sports psychology"? This surely is just someones opinion - don't see any inconsistency in Alpines position atall TBF.

 

Exactly. Lowe thought he could substitute paying for a number of decent players by paying for one sports psychologist and somehow would unlock some sort of subconscious enhancement in ability in the poor players available as a result.

 

As for the quality of sports pyschology, he may well be a household name, but all he did for the Rugby was assemble a team of others to do the work.

 

Even if Lowe's cheapskate theory had any merit to it, he appointed the wrong person in SCW, since the team performances would all be about him than the team itself.

[St Marco]

but they dont..if anything they want us to win more...or have hoped more from a massively expensive team

 

So you are admiting then that the only thing you are unhappy about is that we have yet to win. And the fact we have not won has dampened your enjoyment of the performances we have had?

[alpine_saint]

Good for you. If someone can get 2% or 3% out of the players that could make the difference between staying up and going down. It is not as if we were winning matches for fun was it. Maybe he isn't the biggest name in sports psychology. But after winning the World Cup he was certainly one of the biggest names. Can anyone here (without Google) come up with any other contempory names???

 

If Alpine believed in that stuff you would think he would have creamed his jeans at the appointment of someone (proven) like Woodward. To say he only slagged him off becaise of his celebrity is ridiculous. I guess he slagged off the Keegan signing too then??? Didn't we become a media circus then too?

 

Sneered yourself right into a corner, havent you ?

[Thedelldays]

So you are admiting then that the only thing you are unhappy about is that we have yet to win. And the fact we have not won has dampened your enjoyment of the performances we have had?

pretty much..the couple of games I have seen lallana was poor..but there was no one else available...wotton was poor but since has been replaced...

 

personally, I could not give a rats arse who plays as for me, winning is everything...I expect saints to win this league next year...if not, promotion by any means is a must...anything that means NON promotion next season will be an utter failure IMO...that is something the club knows no doubt...

 

as for this season...I fully expect us to win a fair few now..promotion (by any means) is probably out of the question (but not impossible) but to fight of relegation come april/may will be a very poor effort IMO...we have so many players that are better than that...as an example, we have just loaned out a player who barely makes our bench to a "fancied" team in this league....that itself, speaks volumes IMO

[Gingeletiss]

Cripes............they're patting each others back in force tonight!!!!

[saint_stevo]

Cripes............they're patting each others back in force tonight!!!!

 

Surprised you can see if you have us all on ignore

[OldNick]

Perhaps Alpine (like me) thought that hiring SCW was not exactly the type of 'ambition' that was needed at that time. Some decent investment in decent players to improve the team might have been a good idea, rather than trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear? Perhaps some might not even consider SCW as the "biggest name in sports psychology"? This surely is just someones opinion - don't see any inconsistency in Alpines position atall TBF.

bringing up SCW is all part of our past and causes divisions.

Personally I doubt his appointment made a jot of difference to our ability to sign players.

It is very interesting that in the year HR was with us, he all of a sudden had a terrible inability tosign anyone.Could it have been he wasnt given a free reign like he was at other clubs abd the incentives he got in buying were not there under a more rigid run system we had.

Yes now in hindsight we should have done a Pompey had a team of all stars costing us millions had a cup win and then gone to the wall. It happened anyway.

[alpine_saint]

bringing up SCW is all part of our past and causes divisions.

Personally I doubt his appointment made a jot of difference to our ability to sign players.

It is very interesting that in the year HR was with us, he all of a sudden had a terrible inability tosign anyone.Could it have been he wasnt given a free reign like he was at other clubs abd the incentives he got in buying were not there under a more rigid run system we had.

Yes now in hindsight we should have done a Pompey had a team of all stars costing us millions had a cup win and then gone to the wall. It happened anyway.

 

Pompey havent gone to the wall, and are still in the Premiership, so I am not really sure what point it is you are making...

 

I hope SOGGY has taken note of your comments about bringing Woodward up.