AP's Reason for not picking Gillett

[Andyb1]

I find this a very interestig thread as I have certainly been wondering why Gillett is so out of favour.

 

A Charlton fan I know, who is very critical of AP, says he chopped and chnaged their side too often and had favourites and out-of-favour players.

 

I think Gillett has considerable potential.

 

Every manager has favourites and out of favour players...

[suewhistle]

Le cricket Francaise, ah oui, nous ont fait au lycee il ya un quarantaine des annees.

 

..and if you think I'm going to insert the accents you are very much mistaken....:-)

 

Can I do Italian now, I'm much better at it!

[trousers]

Le singe est dans l'abre

[The Fat Controller]

I hasten to add that i asked Alan Pardew if he could answer us a question regarding players and said i wouldn't mind if he told me to sod off and mind my own business, he said ask me what ever you want ... so i did and got answers

[Block 5]

He is a bloody awful passer of the football. doesnt have enough composure.

 

Shnizzle ma nizzle J Bizzle.

[david in sweden]

Many people on here have been asking why Alan Pardew does not pick or rate Simon Gillett to start in in our first team.

 

Last night I spoke with AP at Hungerford and asked him outright to why this was.

 

What we have to remember is that he works with him eveyday in training and we only see the players at matches. so when asked why AP replied

" I don't think he is quite showing me enough at the moment , but i do like him and i think he is a great passer of the ball. I am here tonight so that he and a couple of others can show me what they can do in the match"

 

When I said most people on this forum thought he was one of our best players in a poor team last year in the championship, we found it difficult to understand why he was being overlooked at a lower level.

AP replied" I will take it on board on board" I then asked him if there were any other incoming players and he said "may be a couple"

 

The scouts from Carlisle were looking at Ollie Lancashire, whilst I think Swindon's Mike Marshall took pardew's eye... an absolutely lightning fast winger who caused major problems and not the lad who played against us at The County Ground

 

 

Fair enough. They gave AP the job and he doesn't have to choose players ...just to please the fans. As you pointed out, they are ALL new to him and to be fair there are no two people on this site who would choose the same line-up for saturdays game - so whats the fuss ?

 

Players must be consistantly good, and although Gilett did look very good in some games last season but doesn't seem to have been able to re-create that form since his lay-off. The same happened with Pahars, Oakley ...even MLT (at the end). No-one can get a team spot based on past form if he can't

hold his form.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I thought Gillett was one of the few players apart from Davis who played well last season. And i could have played football at the highest level if wasn't for my paper round when i was a kid.

[corsacar saint]

You are such a ham Kenny.

[shurlock]

si vous les haissez au point de les voir crever, applaudissez :smt041

[Nineteen Canteen]

I see what you did there...

 

Thanks but don't call me there.

[scotty]

I hasten to add that i asked Alan Pardew if he could answer us a question regarding players and said i wouldn't mind if he told me to sod off and mind my own business, he said ask me what ever you want ... so i did and got answers

 

I bet you had the thumbscrews and nipple clamps on him.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Many people on here have been asking why Alan Pardew does not pick or rate Simon Gillett to start in in our first team.

 

Last night I spoke with AP at Hungerford and asked him outright to why this was.

 

What we have to remember is that he works with him eveyday in training and we only see the players at matches. so when asked why AP replied

" I don't think he is quite showing me enough at the moment , but i do like him and i think he is a great passer of the ball. I am here tonight so that he and a couple of others can show me what they can do in the match"

 

When I said most people on this forum thought he was one of our best players in a poor team last year in the championship, we found it difficult to understand why he was being overlooked at a lower level.

AP replied" I will take it on board on board" I then asked him if there were any other incoming players and he said "may be a couple"

 

The scouts from Carlisle were looking at Ollie Lancashire, whilst I think Swindon's Mike Marshall took pardew's eye... an absolutely lightning fast winger who caused major problems and not the lad who played against us at The County Ground

 

The day Pardew starts taking advice from this forum, is the day I call for his head, he was humouring you.

Pards will get it right, HIS OWN WAY.

[alpine_saint]

Many people on here have been asking why Alan Pardew does not pick or rate Simon Gillett to start in in our first team.

 

Last night I spoke with AP at Hungerford and asked him outright to why this was.

 

What we have to remember is that he works with him eveyday in training and we only see the players at matches. so when asked why AP replied

" I don't think he is quite showing me enough at the moment , but i do like him and i think he is a great passer of the ball. I am here tonight so that he and a couple of others can show me what they can do in the match"

 

When I said most people on this forum thought he was one of our best players in a poor team last year in the championship, we found it difficult to understand why he was being overlooked at a lower level.

AP replied" I will take it on board on board" I then asked him if there were any other incoming players and he said "may be a couple"

 

The scouts from Carlisle were looking at Ollie Lancashire, whilst I think Swindon's Mike Marshall took pardew's eye... an absolutely lightning fast winger who caused major problems and not the lad who played against us at The County Ground

 

Bizarre.

 

Gillet isnt showing him enough but the likes of Melis is ??

[krissyboy31]

Bizarre.

 

Gillet isnt showing him enough but the likes of Melis is ??

 

But that view is as valid as anybody else's opinion. The same as you having a go at Lallana and Schneiderlin but others defending them or the posters that think Holmes is the best thing since sliced bread and will be the eternal saviour, whereas I think he's a complete waste of space!! You won't get 2 people with the same opinions and that includes the manager.

[alpine_saint]

But that view is as valid as anybody else's opinion. The same as you having a go at Lallana and Schneiderlin but others defending them or the posters that think Holmes is the best thing since sliced bread and will be the eternal saviour, whereas I think he's a complete waste of space!! You won't get 2 people with the same opinions and that includes the manager.

 

I know what you are saying.

 

But look at Fabio Capello and England. He plays his in-form players, to the system he wants, appears to have no favourites, and he has turned England from being a bunch of attention-seeking prima-donnas into the most consistent and highest-scoring national team in Europe.

 

Playing favourites (and it is clear he is in luuuurve with Lallana) doesnt get the best results.

[krissyboy31]

I know what you are saying.

 

But look at Fabio Capello and England. He plays his in-form players, to the system he wants, appears to have no favourites, and he has turned England from being a bunch of attention-seeking prima-donnas into the most consistent and highest-scoring national team in Europe.

 

Playing favourites (and it is clear he is in luuuurve with Lallana) doesnt get the best results.

 

But Lallana is more likely to create or score a goal than just about any other midfielder we have, whether we think he's living up to his potential or not. Certainly more chance than Gillett!

[NickG]

I like Gillett and am surprised he has not played but remember where he plays (sorry sounds patronising not meant to!)

 

Hammond is,rightly so, the first choice for central midfield at the moment IMHO.

 

Gillett is too similar in style to Hammond and am not sure they would work well together - both sit deep and not the most creative.

 

Gillett is not going to challenge like of Lallana, Mills, Holmes etc for a side role.

 

so the options for Gillett's place are;

 

Schneiderlin, much more abilty to run with the ball, turn, pass, shoot etc - but frurstratingly inconsistent. But does offer more of a differing style than Gillett when partnered with Hammond.

 

James - probably more creative in his passing than Gillett and more likely to get into attacking positions.

 

only other one I can remember considered for CM is Wotton - only reason he would get in ahead of Gillett for me is when we were lacking experience.

[offix]

Every manager has favourites and out of favour players...

 

Yup, Telfer and WGS anyone?

[St_Tel49]

Le singe est dans l'abre

If this thread is anything to go by the monkeys are out of their tree! :-)

[Saint Fan CaM]

Bizarre.

 

Gillet isnt showing him enough but the likes of Melis is ??

 

 

My take on it is that the CM pairing is crucial and AP is finding the best pairing which perhaps does not include Gillet at the moment. Trying to explain the different permutations at a reserves match might not be the most enthralling issue that AP has on his mind, so he gives TFC the easy short answer, which nevertheless has an element of truth to it.

[Tac-tics]

Did you know, Gillett nearly ran me and 3 other's over near the Le Tissier/Chapel Arms after the defeat to Burnley, all I did was stick my thumb up ..... tosser.

 

Midfield is fine atm, if its not broke don't fix it

[alpine_saint]

Midfield is fine atm, if its not broke don't fix it

 

Is it hell.

[trousers]

Did we keep the receipt for our two player sponsorship deals?

[hypochondriac]

Bizarre.

 

Gillet isnt showing him enough but the likes of Melis is ??

 

Melis has shown some good stuff at times. When Gillet was last on the pitch he was really bad TBF.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Melis has shown some good stuff at times. When Gillet was last on the pitch he was really bad TBF.

 

There's more to it than that - Gillett had a poor 20 minutes (against Millwall was it ?) Melis on the other hand has been so bad - at St Marys anyway - that he's been substituted at half time , twice IIRC .

 

The only explanation as to why bog standard players such as Paul Wotton or Lloyd James secure midfield berths ahead of Simon Gillett is surly that the manager just doesn't rate him - that's his choice of course but it's not a view many on here seem to share .

[Saint Fan CaM]

Did we keep the receipt for our two player sponsorship deals?

 

Who exactly got that money - The player? The club? Who?

 

Wonder who would get the vote now if it was re-cast - I expect it would be Papa as he seems to be getting the limelight at the moment.

[Saint Fan CaM]

There's more to it than that - Gillett had a poor 20 minutes (against Millwall was it ?) Melis on the other hand has been so bad - at St Marys anyway - that he's been substituted at half time , twice IIRC .

 

The only explanation as to why bog standard players such as Paul Wotton or Lloyd James secure midfield berths ahead of Simon Gillett is surly that the manager just doesn't rate him - that's his choice of course but it's not a view many on here seem to share .

 

As I said above, when a manager picks a team, he does not pick 11 individual players...he picks players that will compliment each other particularly in specific areas of the park. I would imagine therefore that Gillet does not match with another CM player as well as others. Also, the following might apply when considering players ahead of Gillet...

 

a. Schneiderlin - cost more, therefore 1st pick

b. Hammond - better leader, bigger presence

c. Mellis - has played mostly on wing, but possibly a loan condition that he sees a minimum amount of time on the pitch.

 

I wonder actually whether Gillet could be well suited to right wing role if he worked on his crossing. He has the motor and tenacity IMO to give it go.

[Verbal Kint]

Is it hell.

 

Look at the goals we've conceded this season. A very high proportion have been from set pieces. Whilst Gillett is a good player we had to sort out the size issue in the side, and now that we see to be getting on top of that it's now time for him to try and take Lloyd James' position off him.

 

I don't think there's any bad feeling from Pardew's point of view, just the fact we needed some more height in the side and so gillett made way. Simple.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

As I said above, when a manager picks a team, he does not pick 11 individual players...he picks players that will compliment each other particularly in specific areas of the park. I would imagine therefore that Gillet does not match with another CM player as well as others. Also, the following might apply when considering players ahead of Gillet...

 

a. Schneiderlin - cost more, therefore 1st pick

b. Hammond - better leader, bigger presence

c. Mellis - has played mostly on wing, but possibly a loan condition that he sees a minimum amount of time on the pitch.

 

I wonder actually whether Gillet could be well suited to right wing role if he worked on his crossing. He has the motor and tenacity IMO to give it go.

 

The alternative school of thought is that you pick your best players and find a way of making it work - at a much higher level Fabio Capello has found a way of combining Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard together in the same midfield for instance .

 

I've never seen anything to suggest that SG can play anywhere else than Centre Midfield however , in that position Schneiderlin is more creative and Hammond is probably a better choice so maybe Alan Pardew has a valid reason for omitting Gillett - but as I've said if Lloyd James is good enough I really can't see why Simon Gillett isn't . It will be interesting to see who would 'get the nod' if Hammond were missing for any reason , something tells me Wotton would make an (unwelcome) reappearance .

 

We pay the manager to make these choices and we have to support him in his decisions . If he gets it right no one will complain , if he gets it wrong it could be his (football) funeral .

Edited 17 September, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE
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[krissyboy31]

My biggest gripe against Colchester was lack of creativity. The midfield had Melis (first half), James, Lallana, Hammond and Schneiderlin (second half). There was NO problem with the solidity of the team and we basically bossed midfield. The question is is Gillett going to add any MORE creativity to that midfield? My guess is and I would suggest that most would say, not in the slightest!

 

However, if our midfield was being overran, there may be a case for Gillett coming in because of his tackling ability but at the moment, that is not the case.

[westofshannonsaint]

I hasten to add that i asked Alan Pardew if he could answer us a question regarding players and said i wouldn't mind if he told me to sod off and mind my own business, he said ask me what ever you want ... so i did and got answers

 

Thanks for the info TFC, even if AP did give you the "standard" answer that he would probably apply regardless of who you asked about, he is better off leaving us with the impression that he is approachable and listens to the fans.

 

This is much better than an AP - "the fans don't have a clue" thread.

[up and away]

My biggest gripe against Colchester was lack of creativity. The midfield had Melis (first half), James, Lallana, Hammond and Schneiderlin (second half). There was NO problem with the solidity of the team and we basically bossed midfield. The question is is Gillett going to add any MORE creativity to that midfield? My guess is and I would suggest that most would say, not in the slightest!

 

However, if our midfield was being overran, there may be a case for Gillett coming in because of his tackling ability but at the moment, that is not the case.

 

I think that is fair and something I would echo. I don't want to praise up Gillet too much because there is not the evidence to back it up, but there were games early and late on last season where he made a measureable difference, then to be interspersed with injury and mediocrity.

 

My main concern was how Wooton could be seen as the answer initially, but Pards has figured that one out