Release who?

[Andy_Porter]

Eh? Who would you play at right back?

Against Huddersfield he had a mare but I think he has taken quite well to right back. He isn't great going forward but with Trotman and Jaidi in the middle you can't knock the size of them.

I nearly pooped my pants on Saturday when he grabbed some Charlton chap by the neck, he is a scary mother****er and I hope he spends Saturday afternoons for the rest of the season making opposition players his *****.

 

My post did say only sell them if there where alternatives available.

 

He's an ok player at this level, nothing special and on Championship wages. He wouldn't be anywhere near the team if Murty hadn't got injured. He's just a bully with hardly any ability.

[SuperMikey]

Thomas has been quality at RB I think, better than James would've done imo. He's a physical presence down the right side, which is what we need considering we've got Lallana and Thomson that play there.

 

Back on topic though, i'd definately get rid of Pulis, Molyneux and Forecast. Seen all 3 of them play, they are all carp of the highest order. Pulis couldn't make a bowel movement, let alone a successful pass. Molyneux's so called free kick expertise was completely non-existant when I saw him play and Forecast flaps at anything that comes remotely near him.

 

Although, while i'm sure we could all reel off a list of players that we'd like to see out of the club, there's no doubt that they do provide back-up for the first team. Think, if we were to suffer an injury crisis ala Everton last season, who had 1 fit striker in their team for about a month, we would need players like Pulis etc to provide cover, even if it's just to have a cameo on the subs bench to fill in the gaps.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I would get rid of both...if you watch them in Ressie games they scare the balls off me every time a cross comes into the box.

I am not going by what Grimsby fans think either as it was always going to be difficult going there in that position.

I just pray nothing happens to KD!!!!

 

This is so true , if Kelvin Davis got injured we'd be so deep in the brown stuff you'd need a JCB (or a Liebherr I should say) to dig us out .

[Legod Third Coming]

Tell you what, this club has a habit of off-loading people toop quickly who then go on to make it elsewhere...

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Tell you what, this club has a habit of off-loading people toop quickly who then go on to make it elsewhere...

 

Come on....Pulis is going to suddenly come good?????

[Legod Third Coming]

Come on....Pulis is going to suddenly come good?????

 

No, but just some of the people plying their trade in leagues above us include:

 

Beattie

Delap

Higgy

Fuller

Scott MacDonald

SKP

Brett Ormerod

Matt Oakley

and so on...

 

I know players move around, that's life, but we don't 'alf seem to get through 'em.

 

I guess that's what happens when you've had 365 managers in the past three years...

 

The kids I would just chuck into the youth team/reserve ranks where they should be until then come good or don't.

 

But strewth, we're like a racehorse trainer who gets 30 two year olds, let's them all run once and then on the basis of this flimsy evidence ships a load off to the sales ring - and half of them go on to be top class!!

 

How can we say Pulis is or isn't any good? And what about Molyneuax? Or White? We just don't know.

[Ash]

My post did say only sell them if there where alternatives available.

 

He's an ok player at this level, nothing special and on Championship wages. He wouldn't be anywhere near the team if Murty hadn't got injured. He's just a bully with hardly any ability.

Surely we could sell any player in the squad if there were alternatives available?

I forwarded your message to him, you are entering a whole world of pain.

[Saint Fan CaM]

A question if I may....

 

Did he indicate whether this is due to the financial 'constraints' imposed by Cortese/Liebherr regarding the prudent running of club's finances or was he speaking purely from the footablling angle...i.e. he doesn't want the 'logistical overhead' of running a larger squad...?

 

Cheers

 

 

It is a good question and one I am not wholly able to answer. Mainly because AP was quoted as opposed to being interviewed. My take on what was said, based on the context of the piece, was that it was financial constraints. Why would he not want a larger squad, when we're hardly bursting at the seams with talent?!

 

I think it basically stems back to the comments from Markus and Nicola saying that the club would be run as 'self-sufficient' - i.e. we've reached the wage ceiling. Now if true, I actually find this a little remarkable given we've offloaded Rasiak and his supposed salary, not to mention quite a significant number of others out the door too. Looks like Papa and Jaidi better be the answer to our prayers, because if not AP could find himself up a creek without a paddle.

[Saint Fan CaM]

No, but just some of the people plying their trade in leagues above us include:

 

Beattie

Delap

Higgy

Fuller

Scott MacDonald

SKP

Brett Ormerod

Matt Oakley

and so on...

 

I know players move around, that's life, but we don't 'alf seem to get through 'em.

 

I guess that's what happens when you've had 365 managers in the past three years...

 

The kids I would just chuck into the youth team/reserve ranks where they should be until then come good or don't.

 

But strewth, we're like a racehorse trainer who gets 30 two year olds, let's them all run once and then on the basis of this flimsy evidence ships a load off to the sales ring - and half of them go on to be top class!!

 

How can we say Pulis is or isn't any good? And what about Molyneuax? Or White? We just don't know.

 

 

Err, I have seen Pulis play and I can honestly say he is one of the worst players to ever pull on a Saints shirt - useless is a word invented for him.

 

Molyneux I am not so sure about actually - I think he could do an emergency job for us. Wotton is just not good enough and we have too many CM options to need him anyway. His wage could be put to MUCH better use.

[Gordon Mockles]

Not all that surprised that people don't rate Thomson, based on some of his earlier St Mary's appearances, but he can't keep being that bad forever when he's had a lot of very good reserves matches. He's also a fast winger who can actually defend (and cross, honest), and we could do with keeping the ones who can work both ways.

 

Boyle is the short dark haired kid we got from the Channel Islands last season, I think he was a striker but we've played him on the left wing/midfield the times I've seen him - he played at Eastleigh and Bournemouth pre-season. Quite nippy, uses the ball well, for some reason I know he can finish too, not sure why that's in my head though.

 

Having previously muddled up the plethora of youth forced into the first team by our clueless predecessor chairman, I can assure you, Jake Thompson is by no means pacey. Not in the slightest. In fact, he is very slow. His telegraphed runs often hit the full backs, while he runs into defenders & often bounces off. Or, he puts the ball past the full back but is too slow to round the defender and/or gets muscled off the ball. He is too slow for an effective winger IMHO.

 

Whilst respecting the Saints coaching set up (academy, past & present) & believing they must see something in Thompson (maybe it's all mentality needing to be addressed on the big stage), maybe loan experience would serve him well, or a period in the reserves.

 

We've always known the youth need nurturing & introducing to first team action gradually. I believe many of these youth/academy players who were thrust into first team action by the ignorant & arrogant non-football stupid gang board were not ready & have actually, in some individual cases (not all), taken a few steps back (as fore-warned by Jason Dodd). Too many players seem to have a relegation/losing mentality we have heard Pardew mention yet they don't have the experience under their belts to overcome it. I think AP & coaching staff have come to realise this hence the comments about loans, some squad not being good enough, excessive numbers & otherwise.

 

FWIW, I'd instantly ship out Forecast, Pulis, Molyneaux, Lancashire (maybe loaned if he ever showed promise well away from the 1st team for now), White, Thompson & even Bart (who hasn't played much & looks rusty & always poorly positioned around the box). That frees up space to improve the quality.

 

 

When you consider some of the poor additions Lowe sanctioned, as well as the total waste of the loan system with injured & essentially useless kids such as Gasmi, Peckhart (cart horse!), etc. (as well as wasted signings like Molyneaux, Pulis, esq.) it's no wonder it's taken Pardew this long to settle the squad. God knows he's been astute & proactive!! It always puzzled me how we discarded Safri & then loaned Dyer (even with a new contract) & all our leading goal scorers like Rasiak, John & Saga *cough* to the opposition while continually peddling the finances mantra, while signing Morgan Schneiderlin. Bizarre!

 

Gobern & Mc Laggon look promising. Maybe Patterson too if he was kept back a bit more.

[Wade Garrett]

"We have no Wodger! Welease Woderick!"

 

 

"He's a wobber and a wapist"

[Tamesaint]

A question if I may....

 

Did he indicate whether this is due to the financial 'constraints' imposed by Cortese/Liebherr regarding the prudent running of club's finances or was he speaking purely from the footablling angle...i.e. he doesn't want the 'logistical overhead' of running a larger squad...?

 

Cheers

 

I would suggest that Pardew's biggest problem now is deciding on his best team. Injuries will obviously disrupt his plans but I think he now needs to decide on his best team and stick to it. The bigger the squad, the more difficult it will be for him to decide on his bet team.

 

Who for example should play in midfield?? Hammond, Morgan, Lallanna & James look good. But how about Mellis, Gillett, Holmes , Mills , Thomson , Wootton and Gobern ?? Boyle, McLaggon and Pulis are also lurking in the background.

 

Pardew needs to be able to distinguisah the wood from the trees .... and if that means thinning the squad and reducing the number of trees then sobeit.

[Nadia Sllim]

Jake Thompson I can safely say is rubbish, to say he is not fit to lace Alia Dia's boots says it all.

[SNSUN]

Molyneux, Pulis, Forecast

 

Can't see any of them ever playing for the first team.

 

This.

[Legod Third Coming]

Err, I have seen Pulis play and I can honestly say he is one of the worst players to ever pull on a Saints shirt - useless is a word invented for him.

 

Molyneux I am not so sure about actually - I think he could do an emergency job for us. Wotton is just not good enough and we have too many CM options to need him anyway. His wage could be put to MUCH better use.

 

mmm, I think we all said the same about Rory Delap, the man who single handedly kept Stoke up...

[SoccerMom]

mmm, I think we all said the same about Rory Delap, the man who single handedly kept Stoke up...

 

Doesn't he use two hands?

[Legod Third Coming]

Doesn't he use two hands?

 

lol quite right!

[SaintRichmond]

Pulis ... with an advanced CV to include "Comedian" ..... ( He made me laugh anyway )

 

Forecast .... with a a model of Goalposts .... plus a BALL, and a white stick to aid him finding it

 

Two of the Worst signings I have ever seen ..... and I'm including Dave McClaren (from Wolves) in that:cool:

[SaintRichmond]

I would pay a club to take Pulis off our hands!!!!

 

As Stoke did for us ?????:cool:

[Saint Fan CaM]

mmm, I think we all said the same about Rory Delap, the man who single handedly kept Stoke up...

 

 

I understand what you're trying to say there, but to be fair Delap was of a higher standard in relation to the Prem than Pulis is to L1. I am not exaggerating atall when I say Pulis would find his level in a Sunday league team. He really is THAT level.

 

Mind you the sentiments are the same for both these players. When we were in the Prem, Delap was a player that was below the standard we SHOULD have been aspiring to given the heights we started to achieve under Strachan. He should have been replaced with someone better. He was not and continued to be selected. This was repeated with too many other players in the squad and consequently the 1st team as a whole performed at a standard that was always going to fail to stay up - failure was pre-determined by lack of investment in the playing side.

 

In the CCC, the same happened again - instead of signing players that would grace teams at the top of the table we started signing players like Pulis. What happened next was inevitable once again. Thankfully, the decline appears to have been arrested although thanks to our really lowly position on negative points, I suspect its been tough for AP to get the players he needs.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

I wouldn't shed a tear at losing any of last season's squad - bar maybe Kelvin Davies. They're hardly worldbeaters, any of them.

[Clifford Nelson]

This is a wishful thinking thread. These players can't get into the squad of a League 1 side! Who is going to buy or borrow them? We've just seen what happened to Tommy Forecast. Who will ask to borrow him after that debacle?

 

I really would like to see a clear out of several players who struggles to get on the bench for the reserves, but let's be realistic about it.

[westofshannonsaint]

release rodger.

[Saint Fen]

Sell

Forecast

Pulis

Molyneux

Boyle

Poke

 

Loan

Gobern

White

McLaggon

Lancashire

 

Sign

Good youngsters from League 1, 2 and Conference. Cheap, add depth to the squad and should have some potential unlike the players listed above under 'sell'.

 

 

See I disagree with Loaning out McLaggon, he's got pace which we could do with plus he's injured at the moment. I really think he has as great a potential and will add to this squad. We can't loan out all the squad players were have no one left to fill the bench!

 

Although I would add Patterson to the list to loan out because he is simply not ready.

[The9]

Having previously muddled up the plethora of youth forced into the first team by our clueless predecessor chairman, I can assure you, Jake Thompson is by no means pacey. Not in the slightest. In fact, he is very slow. .

 

Erm, no. Maybe you're still thinking of someone else, sayyyy Poo-lis ?

 

Jake Thomson is very fast with and without the ball.

 

Definitely.

[Clifford Nelson]

Erm, no. Maybe you're still thinking of someone else, sayyyy Poo-lis ?

 

Jake Thomson is very fast with and without the ball.

 

Definitely.

 

However lighteningly fast he is, he is three yards slower over some fifteen yards than the Colchester left back, who didn't look very special to me. Neither did Thomson, who may be many things when he has blossomed into a first team player, but fast isn't one of them.

[saint_stevo]

Thomson is fast as f00k

[Gordon Mockles]

However lighteningly fast he is, he is three yards slower over some fifteen yards than the Colchester left back, who didn't look very special to me. Neither did Thomson, who may be many things when he has blossomed into a first team player, but fast isn't one of them.

 

Thank you! I know everyone sees the game differently but to say Thompson is quick is just plain nonsense. Unless, you lent on the Sky control & hit +30 skip forward!!

 

As Clifford said Mr 9 & Saint Stevo, he is slower than the Colchester left back, he knocked it past an off balanced Hearts winger & still couldn't even beat the guy to the ball (& this was a very average paced player).

 

I've seen Thompson numerous times & I'd hope more vigilant fans would notice Thompson's obvious play (not a great dribbler & very obvious in his attempts to round his man) & his distinct lack of pace & fairly consistent failure to knock a ball past a defender & 1.) get knocked off the ball and/or 2.) fail to latch back onto the ball.

 

Our squad has lacked pace for some time & most realise the importance of some pace as a winger. Thompson's style of play & distinct lack of pace highlights that fact because he doesn't have many other assets (IMHO), unlike Surman had, which seriously affects his performances.

 

Nothing against the guy. He's just slow & not up to first team standard.

[SFC Forever]

Bart or Forecast, Pulis and Molyneux for starters.

Gillett will probably go out on loan pending an agreement to buy later.

Wotton should also be dismissed.

Saga can go now for what ever we can organise.

Forecast was apparantly well liked by Spurs fans in the main.Hasn't had a good run to regain his confidence.

Bart hasn't been the same since his injury but again needs a good long run in the team.

Some have named Poke but I feel sure that he could do a job if the need arose.

[Gis]

Thank you! I know everyone sees the game differently but to say Thompson is quick is just plain nonsense. Unless, you lent on the Sky control & hit +30 skip forward!!

 

Another vote in the 'he's fast' camp from me. Particularly with the ball, breaking out from defence through the middle of the park, as well as runs down the wing.

 

I agree he hasn't shown it in the first team yet.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Another vote in the 'he's fast' camp from me. Particularly with the ball, breaking out from defence through the middle of the park, as well as runs down the wing.

 

I agree he hasn't shown it in the first team yet.

 

So comparatively he appears quick in the slower paced world of reserve football. But put him into first grade and comparatively he doesn't have the pace to run past an average League 1 full back. It would appear. It's all relative.

[Scudamore]

So comparatively he appears quick in the slower paced world of reserve football. But put him into first grade and comparatively he doesn't have the pace to run past an average League 1 full back. It would appear. It's all relative.

 

He wears heavier boots for the first team

[chrisobee]

I think we could close the thread there, unless anyone wants to volunteer Lancashire?

 

Any 3 but Lancashire TBH

[sdeery]

Pulis, Forecast and Molyneux should be the first out the door but there's no chance anyone will sign any of them. We've got another four years of Forecast to look forward to.

 

I'd loan out Gobern, White and Lancashire, I think with a bit more first team experience those three could be good enough for the first team in a few years.

 

I'd probably sell Saganowski, Thomson, Thomas and Holmes if there where decent alternatives we could bring in.

 

Selling Holmes would be a disaster, started great last year before injury when we get him fit he will give us and option on the left that's IF he gets fit.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Selling Holmes would be a disaster, started great last year before injury when we get him fit he will give us and option on the left that's IF he gets fit.

 

He'll have to elbow Mills out of the way first .

[Legod Third Coming]

He'll have to elbow Mills out of the way first .

 

Thank goodness for that... when was the last time we had genuine competition for places and not squad rotation based on incompetence...