Time for our season to start / league table to watch

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

genuine question - why do bookies, not known for throwing money way or being emotional, think there are 9 teams more likely to be relegated as I saw on one major site at weekend?

 

Bookmakers work in mysterious ways - their wonders to perform .

 

The bookies have probably looked at our squad and our manager and reckon we should be alright this season , why we've failed to match that expectation (so far at least) is a interesting question for you .

 

At this stage of the season the only useful guide to form is the league table . We can spend from now until kingdom comes making various excuses as to why we've performed so badly this season and none of it will make any difference - this is a results business and we're just not getting them - END OF .

 

If we don't win on Saturday questions will be asked - those questions will be perfectly valid IMO .

[NickG]

I am not saying our form has been good as it should be, I just think it is totally hysterical (not in ammusing way!) the way some on this thread and others are writing off season and not looking beyond the form.

 

If the form continues all season then it will be a crap season.

 

I am sure it won't.

 

Charlton's manager said after the game not to look at Saint's league position as it is not a reflection on the team or how we will do, and a point was a good one for them.

 

Still Glasgow Saint can take over soon and immediately guarantee 100% record - lol!

[John B]

Whichever way you cut it the simple truth is we're not scoring enough points - anything else is just flim-flam . Talk of the play-offs is nonsense at this time , midtable is starting to look ambitious at this rate . Four clubs get relegated from this league - right now we're looking likely to be one of them .

 

I think it is because we are not scoring enough goals

 

Three more goals may have got us six more points

[saint_stevo]

seems odd (excuse the pun)

 

http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/league-one-relegation.htm

 

251/1 to win the league....

 

http://www.bet365.com/instantbet/default.asp?participantid=88291238&odds= &affiliatecode=grm_6068&instantbet=1

 

23/1 for promotion

 

http://www.online-betting-guide.co.uk/league-one-promotion.htm

Edited 15 September, 2009 by saint_stevo

[West End Saint]

I think we now have a more than decent squad & a squad AP can call his own we are progressing and the results will come.

 

Talk of play off's & promotion is to much to hope for this season if we can get mid table and push on next season I will be happy.

[lordswoodsaints]

So when exactly does our season start? I'm getting confused,is it this Saturday? Or was it last Saturday?,perhaps it was the Swindon or brentford games? Or is it after we get a win?

I need to know so I can give it my full support.

[Thedelldays]

Charlton's manager said after the game not to look at Saint's league position as it is not a reflection on the team or how we will do, and a point was a good one for them.

 

!

 

 

we used to get this every week at the start of last season...

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I think it is because we are not scoring enough goals

 

Three more goals may have got us six more points

 

While that's certainly true it's not very helpful as it also universally true of any struggling team in any division at any time ...... just one more goal please God . [-o

 

Knowing our luck even if we scored 3 every game we'd still concede an 86th minute equaliser every time and end up 3-3 .

[saint_stevo]

we used to get this every week at the start of last season...

 

along with 'best footballing team in the league'

[WealdSaint]

Our season starts when we hold onto a lead!

[St Marco]

A proven failure at West ham and Charlton

 

 

 

You mean the team that avoided relegation by 20 minutes and was had a bank ovedraft of £6.5M which meant players had to be sent out on loan to save on the ludicrous wage bill (Before you blame Lowe, Crouch had to do the same )

 

 

 

Quite agree we are a league lower have spent a fortune for this league instead of having to rely on kids who had never played before.

 

 

 

 

 

Absolute rubbish Hudeersfield and Millwall both brought in 7 new players in the summer.

 

 

 

And the light of the end of the tunnel now is the hoofball I watched against 10 man Colchester? 5 goals in 7 games despite spending £1M on the leagues top scorer and having 2 Polish internationals available for the start of the season.

 

 

 

So we buy older experienced players and have to teach them but you were never going to give the kids from last season a chance to learn

 

 

 

Yes the standard of refereeing is abysmal for all teams. To blame our position in the relegation zone on referees is laughable.

 

 

 

Can I ask just who you do expect us to beat as you seems to have a reason for every failure?

You don't expect us to beat the teams fancied for promotion so that rules out Leeds, Charlton, Huddersfield, MK Dons, Norwich Bristol R, Colchester, Brentford, Southend, Millwall, Brighton and Swindon. So that doesn't leave many teams for us to get remaining required 65 points to abvoid relegation does it?.

 

And no I didn't realise your statement of

So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed.

was missing the key statement that this only applies if Rupert Lowe is chairman

 

See i could go over every single thing and explain them but you will flip them into negativeness, that is how you are. I think i explained myself very well in the last post showing the difference of then to now. That team that was 20mins from safety would of finshed mid-table if the manager had the full season (his ppg show that). Those players you mention that were offloaded were offloaded when he was there, but on top of that he had a massive injury crisis, but he did ok didnt he?

 

Go back through my old posts BEFORE the last season started and see my expectations. My expectations were to simply to survive relegation. Most people did not think we were going to be in a battle.

 

This season my expectations are to avoid relegation and then next season get promoted.

 

As i stated the difference between this season and last is massive. We have spent money. £1.7m. That is not much in terms of transfers.

 

But again you ignore the question. You moan like a child but offer no alternatives, would you rather we keep doing it your way of crying when we don't win a game and keep firing the manager until we do? Because that worked for us didn't it?

 

I don't expect us to beat the teams who are expected to be promoted no. Not right now, those games are too soon. Not sure how many times i can keep repeating myself.....

If we played those games half way through the season then i would expct them to be wins. Not a month or so after the season started. Because once again anyone who thinks that such as yourself has no clue.

 

People such as yourself are just whiney little ****s who will ***** and complain about every little thing. Look for the negatives because that makes you feel happy. Where as others see the difference in how the team is playing and how the club is. If your pining for those old days then go and support Pompey because they look to be doing the same thing. But you would not know what the word support means would you.

 

So if we continue our run for 3 more games and break our unbeaten record will you be saying the club has moved forwards or looking for excuses as to why it was easy?

 

You see it works both ways, i could go through your past comments and bring up stuff you said in 1963 and compare it to today. I would of done that but reading your past comments made me almost kill myself it was that depressing.....

 

Seriously i challenge anybody to look through this guy's comments and find something positive he has ever said

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/search.php?searchid=528474&pp=25&page=2

Edited 15 September, 2009 by St Marco

[Saint Benali]

Not sure i quite understand what Alucard is trying to say.

 

StM is saying we should of beaten relegation fancied teams in CCC while we were in that league if we were to stay up. And this season saying we should beat everyone below top 6 if we are to stay in league one.

 

As far as i can see only person who expects the club to beat the top teams in this league is you Alucard?

 

Most people including myself see this year as the building season that will flow into next season when we will battle for promotion.

 

You can't compare what happened last season with this season. We have lost Skacel,Rasiak,Euell,DMG,Surman,BWP,Dyer,John and so on. We have a whole new team now.

 

Cheer up son, could be a lot worse. If you only smile when we are in the prem league winning once every few months then your not going to be happy for a long long time. Come watch some games, you might be surprised because you mentioned hoof ball and we don't play like that anymore.

[Alucard]

Not sure i quite understand what Alucard is trying to say.

 

StM is saying we should of beaten relegation fancied teams in CCC while we were in that league if we were to stay up. And this season saying we should beat everyone below top 6 if we are to stay in league one.

 

As far as i can see only person who expects the club to beat the top teams in this league is you Alucard?

 

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What I am saying is quite simple in that St Marco made a global statement exactly a year ago that

So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed.

 

I am questioning how he rates being in the relegation zone last season a failure and being in the relegation zone this season as a success.

 

Have we met his criteria that the whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games NO

He stated then that If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed.

 

I am using his criteria (which apparently permitted him to be critical last season) to judge the season so far and he accuses me of being negative while he tells all and sundry how well we are doing.

 

Must be that the whole point of a football club has changed because we certainly aint winning any games.

 

We're bound to win one soon (I hope) which will bring out the told you so comments.

 

 

If you really think we shouldn't beat at least one of the likes of Stockport, Swindon, Colchester, Brentford and Millwall etc. with the million pound players in our squad your sights are set far too low.

[Alucard]

People such as yourself are just whiney little ****s who will ***** and complain about every little thing. Look for the negatives because that makes you feel happy. Where as others see the difference in how the team is playing and how the club is. If your pining for those old days then go and support Pompey because they look to be doing the same thing. But you would not know what the word support means would you.

 

 

And you were a whiney little ****s who complained about every little thing last season. We are in a crap league playing crap teams and you are are ecstatic with mundane hoofball.

[St Marco]

And you were a whiney little ****s who complained about every little thing last season. We are in a crap league playing crap teams and you are are ecstatic with mundane hoofball.

 

Er hang on a second here but i complained about the fact we had swapped a stable board and a good manager who got a bunch of chumps playing better then their league position implied. For a person who had already got us relegated once who thought it would be fun to bring in some dutch people who manage in the low leagues of Holland with zero experience of english football. On top of that chosing to bring in a whole host of players who were young and largely awful.

You are right, i should of been jumping around in super happy mode at that prospect

 

get real

 

The difference is i complained at the prospect of what was going to happen. 12 months on and i was prooved right. Now things are different and there is no reason to be unhappy.

 

And that is the difference between you and me.

I can be happy knowing that the team is better, the manager is better, the atmosphere around the club is better, the chairman is better, the coaching set up is better etc etc.

 

As i said before if you only support this club to see wins then your supporting the wrong club. To expect those wins on the back of everything that has happened in the space of 2 months is again laughable. Everything you say is laughable because you are a miserable **** that will never be happy.

 

Even if i was negative last year i have shown that i am not always like that, i am someone who will be happy when the club is safe and heading forwards. That is happening thus i am happy. Thus why most people are happy, which part of that do you fail to understand? It does not make people strange to feel positive about what is happening, it makes people strange to feel unhappy after what has happened in the past month.

 

What is your excuse for being a miserable ****er 24/7 hey? What will make you happy? The return of Darth Lowe? The return of the dutch system? Having no money and being close to admin again?

 

In your 3 years on this website you have yet to post one positive thing, that is no lie i actually put myself through hell trying to re-read your post history. After all the good things that have happened especially after the past month or so not one word of positiveness. After surviving in the CCC on the last day when everyone else was celebrating not a single word. Instead snide attacks of people like LM,Crouch and Pearson. How come a year later not the same negative remarks aimed at Lowe,Wilde,JP etc etc after taking us down and into admin?

 

And that my friend is why i laugh at you but more importantly pity you. Your words hold no meaning, hold no value. You are someone who will moan no matter what happens. You will never be happy, because you are one of those people i mentioned in the other thread who find happyness in seeing everything falling apart. Your only happy when you can moan and ***** about stuff. Your the type of person where if we go on a 10 match winning streak will magically vanish from the website only to re-appear when we lose one game to end that streak and inform everyone of how **** we are and how we are once again in deep trouble. Your post history shows that.

 

So please do not come out on here like you are mr rightous or something passing your judgements upon people who share a different view to you. If you can't handle the fact some people actually enjoy watching Saints and how we now are then don't visit the site. I am proud to be a Saints fan, something i have not been for a longtime. If you think muppets like you can return our thoughts to the negative once again then your sadly mistaken.

We have had our dark years, they are over. Get over it and move on.

[Legod Third Coming]

Pardew failed at West Ham??

 

Right, what failed to win the Champion's League...

[Alucard]

Pardew failed at West Ham??

 

Right, what failed to win the Champion's League...

 

Pardew was criticised after seeing West Ham through their worst run of defeats in over 70 years which included a League Cup defeat to Chesterfield. Although West Ham's new owners stated their support for Pardew, on 11 December 2006, following a 4–0 defeat away at Bolton Wanderers the previous weekend, it was announced that Pardew had been sacked by West Ham. The club statement read "The chairman Mr Eggert Magnússon and the board have been concerned by the performances of recent weeks and feel that it is the right time to make a change in the best interests of the club."

 

From Wikpedia but he was sacked which is normally seen as failure

[Thedelldays]

Pardew was criticised after seeing West Ham through their worst run of defeats in over 70 years which included a League Cup defeat to Chesterfield. Although West Ham's new owners stated their support for Pardew, on 11 December 2006, following a 4–0 defeat away at Bolton Wanderers the previous weekend, it was announced that Pardew had been sacked by West Ham. The club statement read "The chairman Mr Eggert Magnússon and the board have been concerned by the performances of recent weeks and feel that it is the right time to make a change in the best interests of the club."

 

From Wikpedia but he was sacked which is normally seen as failure

 

 

most managers are sacked at some point in their lives...very VERY few are not

[NickG]

Pardew failed at West Ham??

 

Right, what failed to win the Champion's League...

 

if failing is winning more than you lose or draw

 

if failing is play off final in first season

 

if failing is winning play off final second season

 

if failing is new owners sacking manager in December of first season in premiership after bad run

 

Then he failed?:confused:

[NickG]

I didn't expect a good performance or any points from Charlton so was pleasantly surprised.

 

I was expecting the season to start for us, and some real progress from next week.

 

The coaching staff are now in place, it is very much Pardew's team, two new signings just in, Holmes/Mills fit.

 

I am not looking at the league table until after Christmas for two reasons;

 

1) the -10, those points don't need to be caught up in few weeks but over the season

 

2) our disrupted start to the season.

 

I am going to follow this;

 

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html

 

if we get up quickly, and remain, in play off positions in current form we will be doing ok.

 

that'll do to start!

 

13th on current form, lets hope we can keep moving up that table - then come Christmas I'll look at the real one!

[NickG]

and now we are 13th see Coral's have 10 teams more likely to get relegated than us!

 

lets start looking up the table!

[NickG]

I didn't expect a good performance or any points from Charlton so was pleasantly surprised.

 

I was expecting the season to start for us, and some real progress from next week.

 

The coaching staff are now in place, it is very much Pardew's team, two new signings just in, Holmes/Mills fit.

 

I am not looking at the league table until after Christmas for two reasons;

 

1) the -10, those points don't need to be caught up in few weeks but over the season

 

2) our disrupted start to the season.

 

I am going to follow this;

 

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html

 

if we get up quickly, and remain, in play off positions in current form we will be doing ok.

 

got upto 13th last week, now up to 10th.

 

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/league-one/tables/currentform.html

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Newsflash...... "but we're up to 10th in the Form Table and I've got the paperwork to prove it" cries beleaguered Saints fan as team slumps to another disappointing draw .

 

[NickG]

take the p1ss if you like but I am enjoying the progress and looking to the future.

[Thedelldays]

take the p1ss if you like but I am enjoying the progress and looking to the future.

but we are STILL 10 points from safety..

[NickG]

do you think we will be in the relegation zone at the end of the season, or even Christmas?

 

I don't think we will be close.

 

My post explains why I think the first few games are so unrepresentative for how I think our season will go.

 

It was made before the last two games.

 

So far (only so far) it is proving correct.

 

Therefore I don't care at all that we are still 10 points from safety at this stage.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

do you think we will be in the relegation zone at the end of the season, or even Christmas?

 

I don't think we will be close.

 

My post explains why I think the first few games are so unrepresentative for how I think our season will go.

 

It was made before the last two games.

 

So far (only so far) it is proving correct.

 

Therefore I don't care at all that we are still 10 points from safety at this stage.

 

The only stat that's worth a damn is that we've played 9 games and have scored 9 points as a result . If we were to continue in that form we would finish the season on 36 points and be (easily) relegated again .

 

There is nothing worth celebrating in dropping another 2 points to the likes of Carlisle Utd . You've been following this club long enough to know that at the end of the season it's the draws that kill you .

[lordswoodsaints]

Relegation form whichever way you dress it up we are not gaining enough points per game.

I'm not being negative,just being realistic.

[Thedelldays]

Relegation form whichever way you dress it up we are not gaining enough points per game.

I'm not being negative,just being realistic.

indeed it is...dont know we can get excited by this..

 

two wins this week from the home games will change this quite a bit though

[S-Clarke]

Relegation form whichever way you dress it up we are not gaining enough points per game.

I'm not being negative,just being realistic.

 

It's not relegation form, it's currently mid-table form.

 

We're 10th in the form table and unbeaten in 6.

 

We will not get relegated, but will most likely finish comfortably mid-table.

 

I'd have loved to do better and believe we can do better, but we've got to have a bit of patience because if we stick with this lot, we should storm the league next year (if we don't - something is wrong)

[Thedelldays]

It's not relegation form, it's currently mid-table form.

 

We're 10th in the form table and unbeaten in 6.

 

We will not get relegated, but will most likely finish comfortably mid-table.

 

I'd have loved to do better and believe we can do better, but we've got to have a bit of patience because if we stick with this lot, we should storm the league next year (if we don't - something is wrong)

serious question...this form table goes back how many games..?

[S-Clarke]

serious question...this form table goes back how many games..?

 

6 games.

[Thedelldays]

6 games.

ok...cheers

[St Marco]

But then what is your point TDD?

If say you think it is not good enough then we say sack the manager and get someone else in and they win 1 and draw 2 of their first 3 games would you not look at those 3 games as progress?

If your going to judge a team on their first games of the season then that is fair enough. But it also means you must judge them on their future games too.

Meaning if we beat Bristol we would have 8 points from the last 12 on offer, which would place us around 1st-3rd place based on form over the past month. Again just another example of how silly people are being.

[John B]

It's not relegation form, it's currently mid-table form.

 

We're 10th in the form table and unbeaten in 6.

 

We will not get relegated, but will most likely finish comfortably mid-table.

 

I'd have loved to do better and believe we can do better, but we've got to have a bit of patience because if we stick with this lot, we should storm the league next year (if we don't - something is wrong)

 

To finish Mid table we need about 62 points or so in 37 games

 

 

16 wins 14 draws 7 losses

 

 

A reasonable target I would have thought

[John B]

But then what is your point TDD?

If say you think it is not good enough then we say sack the manager and get someone else in and they win 1 and draw 2 of their first 3 games would you not look at those 3 games as progress?

If your going to judge a team on their first games of the season then that is fair enough. But it also means you must judge them on their future games too.

Meaning if we beat Bristol we would have 8 points from the last 12 on offer, which would place us around 1st-3rd place based on form over the past month. Again just another example of how silly people are being.

 

But we are bottom 10 points from safety in the real world

[St Marco]

But we are bottom 10 points from safety in the real world

 

Sorry John but what your saying does not hold up.

 

Your saying we are 10 points from safety which is true but if we did not have the minus 10 we would be what 17th or so? About what 3 points from Playoffs? If as mentioned we beat Bristol that could be 1 point. Which would that not be the type of form you are complaining about?

Not sure i understand your point. You expect the team to do better but promotion form is not better?

[glkdcdes]

The only stat that's worth a damn is that we've played 9 games and have scored 9 points as a result . If we were to continue in that form we would finish the season on 36 points and be (easily) relegated again .

 

There is nothing worth celebrating in dropping another 2 points to the likes of Carlisle Utd . You've been following this club long enough to know that at the end of the season it's the draws that kill you .

 

Thats where stats can be used to make any point you wish. if we take off the first 3 games we are in 10th position and mantaining that form we will be around mid table. So do not understand why you feel that the only stat that is worth a damn is 9 points from 1st 9 games.

 

What about our goals against is about 5th best in league, now thats surely as important a stat, normally the relegated teams have by far the worst goals against.

 

I dont think any ones celebrating one point, but trust me, the signs are more positive than negative at the moment.........

[NickG]

The only stat that's worth a damn is that we've played 9 games and have scored 9 points as a result . If we were to continue in that form we would finish the season on 36 points and be (easily) relegated again .

 

There is nothing worth celebrating in dropping another 2 points to the likes of Carlisle Utd . You've been following this club long enough to know that at the end of the season it's the draws that kill you .

 

bold is what you meant to say!

 

other than that my stat is just as valid - I would say more for reasons given

[lordswoodsaints]

It's not relegation form, it's currently mid-table form.

 

We're 10th in the form table and unbeaten in 6.

 

We will not get relegated, but will most likely finish comfortably mid-table.

 

I'd have loved to do better and believe we can do better, but we've got to have a bit of patience because if we stick with this lot, we should storm the league next year (if we don't - something is wrong)

 

I hope you are right but.....

We need to gain 1.4 points per game just to survive by the skin of our teeth (if history doesn't drastically change) and we are currently gaining one point per game,it is an improvement because before our win last week we were gaining about 0.7 points per game but we still need to improve to survive.

This is not manipulating the stats to suit my argument,points per game is what you need to look at to judge our destiny.the bookies use it and so do the managment of sfc.

You can bet your life that pardew is fretting over our 'points per game' form,and if he doesn't then you need to ask why.

[NickG]

and you can bet he worries less about including the games when he didn't have any coaches or half of the team - when assessing the form.

 

Common used current form is last 6 games.

 

We are 10th.

 

Doubt he is doing much fretting but will want improvement - and I believe it will come.

[Thedelldays]

and you can bet he worries less about including the games when he didn't have any coaches or half of the team - when assessing the form.

 

Common used current form is last 6 games.

 

We are 10th.

 

Doubt he is doing much fretting but will want improvement - and I believe it will come.

but those games count...

 

i hope we will get out of this..but alot of assuming is going on here

[Alucard]

Thats where stats can be used to make any point you wish. if we take off the first 3 games we are in 10th position and mantaining that form we will be around mid table. So do not understand why you feel that the only stat that is worth a damn is 9 points from 1st 9 games.

 

What about our goals against is about 5th best in league, now thats surely as important a stat, normally the relegated teams have by far the worst goals against.

 

I dont think any ones celebrating one point, but trust me, the signs are more positive than negative at the moment.........

 

No the stat that only 1 team in the league has scored less goals than us is another stat that is worth a damn as without a dodgy referee we wouldn't have scored in the last 2 home games and only have 6 points from the last 6 games and be 16th in the form table. Also playing 2 relegation fancied teams in the last 2 games has helped our current form. Let's see if we can manage a shot against Bristol Rovers that isn't 12 yards from goal.

[St Marco]

No the stat that only 1 team in the league has scored less goals than us is another stat that is worth a damn as without a dodgy referee we wouldn't have scored in the last 2 home games and only have 6 points from the last 6 games and be 16th in the form table. Also playing 2 relegation fancied teams in the last 2 games has helped our current form. Let's see if we can manage a shot against Bristol Rovers that isn't 12 yards from goal.

 

So hang on let me get this straight

 

When we don't get blatent penalty's, have legit goals ruled out, players who should of been sent off etc etc it is down to not being good enough etc...

 

But when we win a game by 2 penalties all of a sudden it is "if it wasen't for a dodgy ref"....

 

Sorry but that is the worst case of double standards i have ever seen.

 

Which again just makes the negative people look even more silly.

[Alucard]

So hang on let me get this straight

 

When we don't get blatent penalty's, have legit goals ruled out, players who should of been sent off etc etc it is down to not being good enough etc...

 

But when we win a game by 2 penalties all of a sudden it is "if it wasen't for a dodgy ref"....

 

Sorry but that is the worst case of double standards i have ever seen.

 

Which again just makes the negative people look even more silly.

 

No double standards is this St Marco

 

 

So we are in the relegation zone and we "are doing well"? Not quite sure how that lodgic works exactly. The whole point of a football club is to play football and to win games. If you dont win games you get relegated. Thus meaning if you are nearer the bottom then the top you have failed.

[/Quote]

 

We have still only won 1 game and played very little football so by your judgement we have failed. QED

[Thedelldays]

So hang on let me get this straight

 

When we don't get blatent penalty's, have legit goals ruled out, players who should of been sent off etc etc it is down to not being good enough etc...

 

But when we win a game by 2 penalties all of a sudden it is "if it wasen't for a dodgy ref"....

 

Sorry but that is the worst case of double standards i have ever seen.

 

Which again just makes the negative people look even more silly.

 

Looking at alucards posts

 

love th way you take the moral high ground and label people negative lol

[St Marco]

No double standards is this St Marco

 

 

 

We have still only won 1 game and played very little football so by your judgement we have failed. QED

 

Again with the quotes.....

 

Want me to explain the difference between now and then again? That would be what the 8th time? Do you really have a reading disorder?

 

Seriously mate your a loon. Your looking for ways to bash the team at any chance you can and today you have shown you are not a Saints fan. You are just an internet troll. To say we would of lost if it wasen't for a dodgy ref and criticise the team while ignoring the most blatently awful decisions that have gone against us in games prior to that and passing them off as poor performances is a total joke.

 

Go grind your axe somewhere else.

[St Marco]

Looking at alucards posts

 

love th way you take the moral high ground and label people negative lol

 

If you looked at his posts then you would see what im talking about. Look for one positive post he has ever said about the club, ever. Pretty negative to me.

 

It is not the high ground it is being normal. You cannot slag the team off by saying the team would of lost if it wasen't for a dodgy ref and not say the same for us when it happened to us multiple times. That is stupid and shows that he looks purely for the negative side of things.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Thats where stats can be used to make any point you wish. if we take off the first 3 games we are in 10th position and mantaining that form we will be around mid table. So do not understand why you feel that the only stat that is worth a damn is 9 points from 1st 9 games.

 

What about our goals against is about 5th best in league, now thats surely as important a stat, normally the relegated teams have by far the worst goals against.

 

I dont think any ones celebrating one point, but trust me, the signs are more positive than negative at the moment.........

 

Why on Earth would we ignore the first 3 games - won't they count ?

 

You can twist and turn the numbers anywhich way but loose and it changes nothing - I repeat the only stat that counts is that we are scoring one point per game (on average) and that Sir will relegate us if we don't change it round .

 

I see no point in burying our heads in the sand and comforting ourselves with delusions such as 'We're too good to go down' or the increasingly tiresome 'A few more weeks to gel' . That type of attitude could well be called Living in Denial , not only does it serve no good purpose but it's actually counterproductive as it allows everyone to avoid confronting the true scale of the teams underperformance . Alan Pardew , his coaching staff and above all his players first have to accept that their work (so far) has not been good enough , all else is an illusion .

 

By the way - 9 League games played out of 46 , I make that very nearly a 5th of the season already gone . How about that for an interesting stat .

[Deppo]

We'll still scrape by. Nothing more, though.