John B Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 (edited) Like last season we do not seem to be able to score enough goals goals. Perhaps if we had scored another three in the seven games we would have a positive number of points. What needs to be done I wonder to get us scoring Edited 13 September, 2009 by John B
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Like last season we do not seem to be able to score enough goals goals. Perhaps if we had scored another three in the seven games we would have a positive number of points. What needs to be done I wonder o get us scoring Sort the midfield out. It simply isnt firing on all cylinders for creating pressure and chances, and following us scoring it drops back and brings pressure onto our defence.
arfurdent Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Like last season we do not seem to be able to score enough goals goals. Perhaps if we had scored another three in the seven games we would have a positive number of points. What needs to be done I wonder o get us scoring put the ball into the back (or is it front) of the net more often giving Lambert some crosses from the line would help
Stepgar Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 It comes down to 2 things either we are not creating enough quality chances or we are simply not good enough. I think it is the first out those more than the quality of players. keep the faith it will come good
gjphilsaint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 wasnt this the problem last year too.. maybe we would have seen more from McGoaldrought if we did?
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Yesteday we played with five in midfield to cancel out the league's most rampant midfield and it worked. We missed a couple of chances - Mills early on and then Lambert's hopeless free kick. We should have had a penalty. We started the second half brilliantly and then gave a really sloppy goal away. Against teams who don't play 4-5-1 we will probably have a better opportunity to open them up but we must improve delivery into the box at pace from set-piece (corner's especially) and we need to find a good strike partnership - maybe Saga and Lambert? But for my money, we will start scoring more goals when we have better confidence and this will come from going to places like Charlton and coming away with good performances and good results.
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 But for my money, we will start scoring more goals when we have better confidence and this will come from going to places like Charlton and coming away with good performances and good results. i hope so...just that a few weeks ago we "should have" beaten brum and did not and we all thought it was the start of something....only to revert to type
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 i hope so...just that a few weeks ago we "should have" beaten brum and did not and we all thought it was the start of something....only to revert to type I didn't see that game but the two I have seen since we looked the better team and deserved better from the result.
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I didn't see that game but the two I have seen since we looked the better team and deserved better from the result. again...heard it all before..just hope we win soon.
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 again...heard it all before..just hope we win soon. You won't get any disagreement from anyone on that. Just p!ssed off that I will be at the Goodwood Revival next Saturday when we finally stuff someone!
Saint_clark Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Lack of creativity in midfield. By next summer we will be quality. I'd like to think by the end of january, but I don't want us to sign players for the sake of it. Pardew has done exactly what you should when rebuilding a team; put a strong spine in, and then worked from the back forwards.
sadoldgit Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Sort the midfield out. It simply isnt firing on all cylinders for creating pressure and chances, and following us scoring it drops back and brings pressure onto our defence. Blimey, if you can see that all the way over there in Austria makes you wonder why Pardew hasn't got it sussed yet? I have said it all along, our biggest mistake was not making you CEO and manager years ago.
sadoldgit Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 WE can talk about players and tactics all day long, but the problem we have as a club is lack of confidence. We never really adapted to life in the CCC and it is no surpise that we are struggling in the third tier. Even when we were doing relatively well a faction of fans were on the managers back (and still are even though he has gone). We expect too much too soon. Very few managers are able to turn things round overnight and most decent teams have taken a while to build. Even the best managers make mistakes in the players the bring in, the teams they select, the tactics they use. There is no magic formula. It takes hard work and patience. Pardew has got a very hard job in removing the losing mentality from the club and the longer we go without a win the harder it gets.
View From The Top Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 We will **** Yeovil and be up and running, of that I'm sure.
Window Cleaner Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Sort the midfield out. It simply isnt firing on all cylinders for creating pressure and chances, and following us scoring it drops back and brings pressure onto our defence. Not so much,yesterday Morgan set up Fish with a glorious ball that split their defence in 2,that Fish couldn't put it away clinically is where we're wrong not the creation of chances.It's no good having a player like Morgan if you can't put away what he sets up.It's not about huff and puff it's about clinical finishing.
Rattlehead Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 By next summer we will be quality. We will walk League Two.
70's Mike Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 think it is a lot to do with confidence and arriving at a style of play suited to this division, the ball needs to get forward quicker, i do not mean hoof, but one or two passes and then into a forward. we also need it into the box quicker to many times we get in a position to cross and then cut inside or play it back to the full back. you need , from what i have seen this season, to be more direct( again i do not mean hoof) defenders are not as good so you do not need the suttle approach of the premiership. you do not score unless it is in the box, adopt the Channon style, get in in the box and make defenders do something
S-Clarke Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Lack of creativity in midfield. By next summer we will be quality. I'd like to think by the end of january, but I don't want us to sign players for the sake of it. Pardew has done exactly what you should when rebuilding a team; put a strong spine in, and then worked from the back forwards. I agree with you. Pard's has started with the defense...we coneeded some shockers v huddersfield - but we've been a different defensive 'team' since he's been able to add reinforcements. Trotman has been key in that - i wonder if we'll try a sneaky bid for him in January? worth it IMO.
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 (edited) Blimey, if you can see that all the way over there in Austria makes you wonder why Pardew hasn't got it sussed yet? I have said it all along, our biggest mistake was not making you CEO and manager years ago. I've been to some matches this season. Yourself ? No, didnt think so.... Your posts fall wider and wider of the mark every time you log in... Edited 13 September, 2009 by alpine_saint
Saint_clark Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I've been to some matches this season. Yourself ? No, didnt think so.... Your posts fall wider and wider of the mark every time you log in... Well i've been to all but one of the games this season, and I don't agree with you either about the inviting pressure bit. We were pressing the attack right up until the final whistle at the Valley.
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Well i've been to all but one of the games this season, and I don't agree with you either about the inviting pressure bit. We were pressing the attack right up until the final whistle at the Valley. I saw it against Brentford and Birmingham, so you must have been sleeping in those games
Saint_clark Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I saw it against Brentford and Birmingham, so you must have been sleeping in those games Brentford I can't honestly remember too well, it was boring as hell. Birmingham was disrupted when James had to switch to RB and Gillett (who is naturally a defensive player) came on to replace him.
offix Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Easy. We now have a proven goal scorer up front, but if we can't get him any decent service we will not score enough. Three words to solve that problem: Wingers Wingers Wingers
dune Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Confidence is the problem. It's understandable given the results, but we just need to have a little bit more belief. We should be scoring 2 or 3 goals most games.
eurosaint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Easy. We now have a proven goal scorer up front, but if we can't get him any decent service we will not score enough. Three words to solve that problem: Wingers Wingers Wingers That's one on the right, one on the left, and one .............. ???
lordswoodsaints Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Confidence is not the problem,lambert came from a team that he scored goals for fun,so he can't be short of confidence. The other players pardew has bought in havnt come from teams traumatized by upheaval and relegation either.
Dalek2003 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Everone keeps saying it...confidence. One good win, the players relax a little and stop snatching their shots and it will all seem effortless. One good win...next week ?
Cabrone Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 If Lambert is given a regular partner and decent service from the wings he'll score and also provide a steady stream of chances for his partner. Personally I think we could have won yesterday if AP had selected a team that was prepared to take it to Charlton rather than try to negate them. That in itself is a good sign.
hackedoff Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Sort the midfield out. It simply isnt firing on all cylinders for creating pressure and chances, and following us scoring it drops back and brings pressure onto our defence. Agree, some members of the midfield will not score goals if they played 1000 games also none are capable of getting down the wings to supply decent crosses. On top of this we have only one person that can take corners...... poorly !
trousers Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 What needs to be done I wonder to get us scoring Sign the League's top scorer from last season
oxfordshire_saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Crosses are the key, now with Holmes and Mills fit, we should get this on the left. Hopefully Papa Waigo can produce the goods on the right. At the moment we play too many long balls down the middle to Lambert, he wins flick-ons but they just run through to the oppo keeper because Lambert's always the furthest man forward. If that's the way we're going to play, he needs to hold it up more, but most of the balls are launched towards his head.
dune Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 Confidence is not the problem,lambert came from a team that he scored goals for fun,so he can't be short of confidence. The other players pardew has bought in havnt come from teams traumatized by upheaval and relegation either. I take on board what you are saying, but disagree. The players are under so much pressure because of the points deduction that they are not using their heads. We've created many fair opportunities to score, but not enough killer opportunities. I want to see more of Melis because he's a brilliant player from what i've seen of him. He's prepared to run at defenders to get into the position where killer balls can be delivered. Most of the time he'll lose the ball, but when he does get through he's a player that can unlock a defence.
trousers Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 We've created many fair opportunities to score, but not enough killer opportunities. Hardly surprising given he retired last season
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 Opposing defenders must look at playing us as a day off,easy money,we are not making them earn their Money. Last season I posted that the players seem to be over engineering the build up which usually ended with them losing the ball without even finishing the move with a shot. To me,this still seems to be a problem,this may be an unwillingness to grab the bull by the horns and take responsibility for taking a shot,perhaps it is because they are scared of failing,perhaps it is because they are not good enough? Who knows?
Chez Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 we never ever get to the byeline. We also lack pace up front.
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 we never ever get to the byeline. We also lack pace up front. We need Camara up front alongside Lambert with 'Papa' playing down the right... both problems solved and fun (almost) guaranteed!! This management lark is EASY.
WGC Saint Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 I've only been to the Brentofrd game so far this season but based on that I thought that we played the ball sideways far too often, lacked width and pace and thus lack of balls into the danger area for Lambert to finish and also failed to capitalise on set-pieces (when will we ever take a decent corner?). But I'm sure Pards is working on that!.....well I hope so anyway.
SoccerMom Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 Opposing defenders must look at playing us as a day off,easy money,we are not making them earn their Money. Last season I posted that the players seem to be over engineering the build up which usually ended with them losing the ball without even finishing the move with a shot. To me,this still seems to be a problem,this may be an unwillingness to grab the bull by the horns and take responsibility for taking a shot,perhaps it is because they are scared of failing,perhaps it is because they are not good enough? Who knows? Yep, there just seems to be a reluctance to finish - but I seem to remember in the Bad Old Days being told by JP that there had been close on 100 attempts in relatively few matches, but that the conversion rate was poor. Are the comparative statistics for shots on/off target available anywhere? In any case, by the last ten minutes of every home game, the nipper gets that frustrated with the situation that he's bellowing "SHOOT!" to everyone, even Kelvin, when they get the ball.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 September, 2009 Posted 14 September, 2009 In any case, by the last ten minutes of every home game, the nipper gets that frustrated with the situation that he's bellowing "SHOOT!" to everyone, even Kelvin, when they get the ball. We've all done that my friend - at the last home game my sleep was rudely interrupted from the Chapel Stand Disabled area by this little lad in a wheelchair who I swear made more noise than the rest of the southern half of St Marys put together ! I wonder does anybody on here know who he is ?
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Posted 15 September, 2009 Like last season we do not seem to be able to score enough goals goals. Perhaps if we had scored another three in the seven games we would have a positive number of points. What needs to be done I wonder to get us scoring We are simply not creative enough imo
sussexsaint Posted 15 September, 2009 Posted 15 September, 2009 For as long as I can remember being a saints fan the phase 'unable to deliver the final ball' have come up season after season
West End Saint Posted 15 September, 2009 Posted 15 September, 2009 For me it is simple fed the lamb & he will score we have to provide him with some service decent crosses & he will get on the end of them. It would also help at lot if Lambert had a regular and decent partner to share the work load he can't do it all on his own,we need a strike partner that can do there share of hold up link up play then Lambert can be in the box getting on the end of stuff. It will come I am sure AP has got some quality players in and it will fall into place soon I have faith that if we can win a couple we could go on a run & climb the table.
Thedelldays Posted 15 September, 2009 Posted 15 September, 2009 hopefully, we will see these goals fromopen play that lambert scored so much of....
Give it to Ron Posted 15 September, 2009 Posted 15 September, 2009 hopefully, we will see these goals fromopen play that lambert scored so much of.... does it really matter how he scores??? in of his right buttock cheek from a defender clearing will do for me if it gives us 3 points.
John B Posted 20 September, 2009 Author Posted 20 September, 2009 hopefully, we will see these goals fromopen play that lambert scored so much of.... I agree but we are still unable to score many from open play
Alain Perrin Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 In Lambert we have the thing we didn't have when Jan Portvliet was in charge, a natural goal scorer. If we could create as many chances as we did then, he'd be scoring for fun. My solution would be: 1) Pass the ball from the back, not all the time, but more often than the hoof downfield. 2) Mills and ANO to take the corners, not Lallana. His corners are either floated (see point 4) or don't clear the first man. 3) Play with wingers - and tell them to hug the line, get to the byline and cross it. 4) Drill the crosses, none of this floating **** we seem addicted to. 5) Mix it up. Sometimes through the middle, sometimes down the wing, sometimes hoof it. We have the ingredients, they just need to be mixed in the right way.
shurlock Posted 20 September, 2009 Posted 20 September, 2009 In Lambert we have the thing we didn't have when Jan Portvliet was in charge, a natural goal scorer. If we could create as many chances as we did then, he'd be scoring for fun. My solution would be: 1) Pass the ball from the back, not all the time, but more often than the hoof downfield. 2) Mills and ANO to take the corners, not Lallana. His corners are either floated (see point 4) or don't clear the first man. 3) Play with wingers - and tell them to hug the line, get to the byline and cross it. 4) Drill the crosses, none of this floating **** we seem addicted to. 5) Mix it up. Sometimes through the middle, sometimes down the wing, sometimes hoof it. We have the ingredients, they just need to be mixed in the right way. All I've seen at the moment is a useful battering ram. I am not joking but Lambert has not yet had a gilt-edged opportunity, a one-on-one, real space in the box to get a shot away etc. We're talking 800 mins+ of football with us...
derry Posted 21 September, 2009 Posted 21 September, 2009 All I've seen at the moment is a useful battering ram. I am not joking but Lambert has not yet had a gilt-edged opportunity, a one-on-one, real space in the box to get a shot away etc. We're talking 800 mins+ of football with us... Diving header in his first game! We are not getting down the lines, until we play with proper width on both sides he will be feeding off scraps.
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