Kingsbridge Saint Posted 12 September, 2009 Posted 12 September, 2009 Good point, no question. Can we lose Thomas from the back 4 please before he gets injured? It's starting to look settled and it's a worry. I am starting to think we might win a game soon - but I won't be betting on it. Yeovil will park the bus and try to nick it on the break. A strategy that even the crappest of teams have employed successfully countless numbers of times against us......
Saint_clark Posted 12 September, 2009 Posted 12 September, 2009 what an embarassment...light wieght :smt079 You have no idea what I was drinking.
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Great day out and Saints look good with Trotman and Hammond my men of the match. There is every reason to feel relaxed about this season. I see the drama queens have been keyboard bashing. Art calling Pardew Pas Dieu, what a c#ck.
dubai_phil Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 At the end of the day, a good result, but we are probably frustrated as it seemed we could have done more without the "oh we scored a goal now what" moment during the early second half. I take so big positives though 1) We set up to start the game playing a different formation from what we ususally play. It has been a long time since a manager did that in a one off game, so credit to AP, but also credit to the players who in all honesty haven't shown the best of brains at coping with any form of tactics for a year or so. 2) We actually FINISHED a game strongly, for the last few minutes it sounded like we were the team likely to nick a goal at the death. It has been a VERY long time since that happened, so maybe the fitness issue is being resolved 3) Having read AP's interview, understand why he didn't give Jaidi & Waigo longer. On the down-side, I do wonder whether not making a tactical or player change earlier in the second half when we were being over-run in midfield was a mistake. In the end, we got a point at the leaders, which I would have taken before the game, and so it can be argued that not making the change was the correct decision. I think if we had won a few and had some points in the bag then maybe the gamble would have been made. Will reserve judgement on that, Mellis did seem to help tighten things up when he came on. So overall good performance, sounded like we were listening to a football team playing a football match for a change.
SaintRobbie Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I sort of predicted a good performance. 1-2 Saints to win. Sounds as if it could easily have come off. Chuffed that the players are now starting to gel. We'll be ok. Treat this as one years pre-season before finishing next as champions!
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I sort of predicted a good performance. 1-2 Saints to win. Sounds as if it could easily have come off. Chuffed that the players are now starting to gel. We'll be ok. Treat this as one years pre-season before finishing next as champions! we better go up next year by any means or i fear pardews job
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I've never understood managers who but subs on with 2 mins to play. What's the point? How are they going to have any impact on a game in such a short space of time? I would be looking to introduce substitutes from 60 mins onwards if things are looking a bit stale. At least this gives them a chance to impact upon the game.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Thanks for all the reports from those at the game and the laughable assumptions from those who were`nt and i had a big LOL at the comment from ART saying Portvliet was a top coach.... See you at SMS for the yeovil match..
alpine_saint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 . I live abroad, but have gone to every game that has taken place whilst I was in the UK recently. What's your problem ?
ladysaint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Think I must be the only one who was disappointed yesterday. I really thought that we would go for the 3 points, we have to start getting into a winning mentality, one win since Easter is not good enough. There were a lot of positives to be taken from the game and can understand playing for a draw if you are winning at home but we are not. He should have changed the team on the hour and gone for it.
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Absolutely - Lallana's corner was crap - never even got close to the near post let alone the far stick, subsequently cleared to Perry who hit an aimless ball into their keeper's hands and they then scored within seconds. Lallana's corners are a disgrace for a professional footballer. We were the better side today but we still have weak links and in the end that robbed us of all 3 points. Totally, the goal came when we were on top, not because of our defence, but because our corner was poor and then Perry's ball back in was aimless. It is this movement and composure in the final third that it why we are not winning games. I think Pardew is still searching for his strike force -across the pitch - and yesterday playing 5 in midfield did not help, although it did help stifle Charlton very effectively most of the game.
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 2) We actually FINISHED a game strongly, for the last few minutes it sounded like we were the team likely to nick a goal at the death. It has been a VERY long time since that happened, so maybe the fitness issue is being resolved So overall good performance, sounded like we were listening to a football team playing a football match for a change. That was a big plus yesterday. there were 4 minutes of added time after a number of heavy 2nd half incidents. We spent a good 3 of those in their half and finished the game with a shot from Schneiderlin and missed a gloriouis chance to score with 3 in the box and the ball going to the 1 defender. The team is playing better in longer chunks of the game as players get to know each other. There were some great overlapping runs and more players finding space. Yes, there were still instances of confusion and still too much hoofing, but those instances in terms of the percentage of the game are dropping and there is a lot less fear out there. Charlton showed what is needed in this divison to score goals and create lots of chances - pace (Swindon showed it too and look where they are in the league). We still need some! Their goalkeeper's throwing distribution to put them on the break was reminiscent of Schmeichel. KD still seems to insist on kicking and more often that not we give the ball away. The amount of space on the wings at times was frightening. I could have taken a deckchair out there and watched the match for all the obstruction it would have caused. And when we did use the wing with Thomas coming through - guess what - we scored! Keep the Faith COYS ps The Saints support was excellent and it was a great day out.
LostBoys Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Good overall performance and we should have had more goals first half and Lallana should have scored with a unmarked header from a few yards out in the second. Usual stupid mistakes and Jonjo Shelvey - hardly a quality midfield player even in league 1 - gave Lloyd James the runaround. The Charlton fans after the game said we deseerved to win and would be a force to be reckoned with if we could shoot straight. Other than that a good day out.
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 And in case people missed it. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FECKING PENALTY ON 93 MINUTES. CLEAR STONE WALL. AS STONE WALL AS THOSE THAT FLANK THE YORKSHIRE DALES.
djg Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 This was the first chance I have had to see a live game this season. Charlton were the form team of the division and 'on fire.' We were the better team in the first half and fully deserved a draw from the game. If Charlton are the bench mark then it is only a matter of time before we start climbing the table. I was stuck in the charlton end and some of their fans were happy to take a point from us, we may be bottom but we are not playing like abottom of the table team....
Alucard Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Exactly! Am I not allowed an opinion based on the games I have seen? Or is this rapid improvement just the first 45 minutes yesterday?
dubai_phil Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 And in case people missed it. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FECKING PENALTY ON 93 MINUTES. CLEAR STONE WALL. AS STONE WALL AS THOSE THAT FLANK THE YORKSHIRE DALES. Oh no we didn't.... You forget the alleged conspiracy theory We got out of admin so as far as "the powers that be" are concerned, they think we "cheated a bit". As such the theory would say that refs have been suggested that all teams MUST be given a penalty when playing against us, but that we must never EVER be given any penalties ourselves... (Although the lino seems to have forgotten the rule yesterday with the offside only just "goals")
Graffito Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 And in case people missed it. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FECKING PENALTY ON 93 MINUTES. CLEAR STONE WALL. AS STONE WALL AS THOSE THAT FLANK THE YORKSHIRE DALES. I saw it LTC. It was a penalty. HTH.
Andy_Porter Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Bit of a dissapointing performance, we just don't have the players to play 4-5-1. Maybe with Waigo and Holmes we could play 4-5-1 effectively, yesterday we didn't have anyone breaking from midfield getting into the box and ended up leaving Lambert far too isolated, he won't be scoring goals if he's stuck upfront on his own. The left side looked good with Mills and Harding, no idea why we brought on Mellis I felt we should have got another striker on at that point and really gone for it leaving it until added time to bring on Waigo was a bit defeatist as well, we shouldn't be playing for draws. If we could get a bit more width and balance on the right hand side we could play Lallana through the middle and then the 4-5-1 might actually work.. Really need to start picking up points and I don't think we're going to be winning many playing 4-5-1 leaving Lambert with no support. Hopefully we will go back to 4-4-2 for Yeovil with Waigo, Saga and Jaidi all starting.
Lets B Avenue Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 What was with their centre-half wearing a cycling helmet. Never saw his bike near the pitch. Just because Cech gets to wear one in goal, should an outfielder be allowed? If so, put one on Lallana to help him with those free headers in front of goal.
70's Mike Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 we better go up next year by any means or i fear pardews job HAVE NO FEAR we are on our way back premiership in 5 years
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Think I must be the only one who was disappointed yesterday. I really thought that we would go for the 3 points, we have to start getting into a winning mentality, one win since Easter is not good enough. There were a lot of positives to be taken from the game and can understand playing for a draw if you are winning at home but we are not. He should have changed the team on the hour and gone for it. In my opinion we were not playing for a draw, we were on top the first half and the start of the second half. Chalton then had a period of dominance, which the other team will always have in most game s(especially if they are top of the table, won six in a row and at home). We countered it well with a good defensive display and a bit of luck and by the end we were pushing for a winner. That is my eyes is not playing for a draw, as Ron above pointed out the extra time was all us. If the **** ref had given the Melis penalty we would have got the win. Did anyone else think Charlton were far more physical in the second half, shows we got them rattled in the first half. Their number 5 was all arms, stopping our boys jumping effectively, this type of infringement is never clamped down but to me its equally as bad as diving.
Sour Mash Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 We still massively lack pace going forward, means opposition teams can push up and push men forward, knowing that we don't/can't really hit them on the break, struggle to get "behind" teams and cause them problems. Also thought we were beaten to the 2nd ball too often. Can see why Charlton look good for promotion, a good side, all over us in the first 20 mins of the 2nd half, have to be happy with a draw really. Our support was excellent and made a mockery of Charlton fans suggestion of them creating an intimidating atmosphere for Pardew etc, wish we could have support like that at every away game...
Sour Mash Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 And in case people missed it. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FECKING PENALTY ON 93 MINUTES. CLEAR STONE WALL. AS STONE WALL AS THOSE THAT FLANK THE YORKSHIRE DALES. Mellis's own fault for going down far too easily 5mins earlier.
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 We still massively lack pace going forward, means opposition teams can push up and push men forward, knowing that we don't/can't really hit them on the break, struggle to get "behind" teams and cause them problems. Also thought we were beaten to the 2nd ball too often. Can see why Charlton look good for promotion, a good side, all over us in the first 20 mins of the 2nd half, have to be happy with a draw really. Our support was excellent and made a mockery of Charlton fans suggestion of them creating an intimidating atmosphere for Pardew etc, wish we could have support like that at every away game... I thought Charlton defended quiet deep and the couple of times we did push up we got behind them.
Fan The Flames Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Mellis's own fault for going down far too easily 5mins earlier. I don't like this kind of arguement, if the ref didn't give it because of a previous incident then the ref is wrong. Also I don't think Melis went down easily on the previous challenge, which I don't think was a penalty but a hard tackle just on the right side of the line. However 5 mins before that he gave Chalton a free kick in the same area for a similar challenge by a Saints player (poss Lambert), so where do you stop. So we might not have got the penalty because the ref thought Mellis went down easily, but thats not Mellis fault, its the refs.
Block 5 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Am I not allowed an opinion based on the games I have seen? Or is this rapid improvement just the first 45 minutes yesterday? IMHO we are improving. I just say it how I see it mate.
Block 5 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I live abroad, but have gone to every game that has taken place whilst I was in the UK recently. What's your problem ? No problem Alps, I know you're not able to make it to games as much as you'd like.
Saints foreva Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 And in case people missed it. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A FECKING PENALTY ON 93 MINUTES. CLEAR STONE WALL. AS STONE WALL AS THOSE THAT FLANK THE YORKSHIRE DALES. Yep - was a clear penalty. But Charlton's second disallowed goal looked clearly onside.
Neil Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Having gone to Huddersfield and Swindon we've definitely improved from those games, we're not allowing teams to intimidate us physically now - Charlton tried to rough us up a bit in the 2nd half, without success. The problem was that at times Charlton were at their most dangerous when we were attacking, the goal for instance! As already mentioned, AL's corners are ****e. We're generally looking more solid, but the creativity issues remain in stark focus, and the lack of confidence in front of goal and fear of shooting is still apparent. Fish has no right foot or else he probably would have scored that early chance. A lot of expectation on Papa. Happy with a point, especially with one of their disallowed goals probably being onside. Need an early goal v Yeovil though, or 0-0 will be looming...
RonManager Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 For your entertainment http://www.charltonlife.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=28996&page=1#Item_0
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Yep - was a clear penalty. But Charlton's second disallowed goal looked clearly onside. I can't compare the two, as I saw one and the other happened at the far end. Just call me Wenger...
kpturner Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Saints fans celebrate Lallana's goal. Sorry, not a great picture :-(
Saint_clark Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 For your entertainment http://www.charltonlife.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=28996&page=1#Item_0 "After this game i truly hope we complain to the FA as this is crazy!"
Saint_clark Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 "Also reckoned Southampton support was dismal, not a peep until their goal." Blatant lie.
Sour Mash Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I don't like this kind of arguement, if the ref didn't give it because of a previous incident then the ref is wrong. Also I don't think Melis went down easily on the previous challenge, which I don't think was a penalty but a hard tackle just on the right side of the line. However 5 mins before that he gave Chalton a free kick in the same area for a similar challenge by a Saints player (poss Lambert), so where do you stop. So we might not have got the penalty because the ref thought Mellis went down easily, but thats not Mellis fault, its the refs. Of course a penalty should have been given for the 2nd one, the ref had a shoker all round to be honest. I'm just saying, by Mellis going down so easily for the first one it puts an element of doubt in the refs mind, which is a deciding factor in a lot of penalty decisions.
Sour Mash Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 (edited) "Also reckoned Southampton support was dismal, not a peep until their goal." Blatant lie. They've got to be joking. Thought our support was very good and if anything was quieter after we'd scored. Hadn't relaised there was so much space in our end on the far side, but was still quality support. So much for Charlton fans creating the most intimidating atmosphere for Pardew:smt043: Edited 13 September, 2009 by Sour Mash
Sour Mash Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 "After this game i truly hope we complain to the FA as this is crazy!" Other classics include: "ypou have a desperate manager.... whose is despearate ... as his reutation goes up in flames..... as he burns.... like a man on fire.... as he burns ...... we may well turn over the next team because of this unjust result..... A clear penalty ... 2 disallowed goals....." And "Also reckoned Southampton support was dismal, not a peep until their goal."
Leicestersaint Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Well we are Saints fans and we have liked to delude ourselves for the last five years at least! In the present circumstancesa draw at Charlton (the first points they have dropped) is good but we really do have to start winning. The last time I watched Saints in the third division was fifty years ago and i was 9! We should not be here but I do not see any sign of us getting out of division 3 yet.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 "Also reckoned Southampton support was dismal, not a peep until their goal." Blatant lie. :mad: They wouldn't know good support if it came up and smacked them on the nose. Did we hear the Charlton sing before their goal? I couldn't hear a ****ing thing. For anyone who didn't go to the game, Saint_clark is right, it is a blatant lie, our support was terrific, every away game should be like that.
SoccerMom Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 :mad: They wouldn't know good support if it came up and smacked them on the nose. Did we hear the Charlton sing before their goal? I couldn't hear a ****ing thing. For anyone who didn't go to the game, Saint_clark is right, it is a blatant lie, our support was terrific, every away game should be like that. Wasn't there, but it sounded good on the radio! As I recall from last year, the Valley has weird acoustics - seem to remember singing, "You're supposed to be at home!" as we couldn't hear anything from the other stands, but my Charlton-supporting mate assured me that there was a lot of noise. Go figure.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Oh and another thing, this is a quote from a Charlton fan on their forum: Surely that wasn't booing from our supporters??!! Yes it was, that was your fickle fans booing on the half-time whistle. And they said our support was dismal. I also read that they wanted to make the Valley 'the most intimidating atmosphere' Saints have ever played in. Well they well and truly failed that one didn't they.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Wasn't there, but it sounded good on the radio! As I recall from last year, the Valley has weird acoustics - seem to remember singing, "You're supposed to be at home!" as we couldn't hear anything from the other stands, but my Charlton-supporting mate assured me that there was a lot of noise. Go figure. Oh I heard them sing, but only after their goal went in. Also heard them boo on half time, what was all that about?
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Oh I heard them sing, but only after their goal went in. Also heard them boo on half time, what was all that about? probably the same reason we boo at SMS...just frustration
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 probably the same reason we boo at SMS...just frustration I've only heard us boo once this season and that was after failing to beat a 10 man Colchester.
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I've only heard us boo once this season and that was after failing to beat a 10 man Colchester. and this was probably the first time they had too...they had won 6 out of 6 and now expect their team to win every game.... something we should do IMO
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 and this was probably the first time they had too...they had won 6 out of 6 and now expect their team to win every game.... something we should do IMO I could understand if it was 1-0 to us at full-time and they booed, but at half time?
Thedelldays Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 I could understand if it was 1-0 to us at full-time and they booed, but at half time? probably because they expect their team to win every game and were frustrated they did not...especially against the bottom club ..like I said, good mentality.. we should have that mentality IMO
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 Well, a point against our fellow relegated partners and two points lost YET again. We are supposed to win games, especially when we have the players at our disposal to do so. Yet Pas Dieu can't pick a winning team, can't adjust tactics and hasn't a clue on the use of substitutes. And he's got 7 to choose from. Don't think things are all rosy, cos they ain't. We're just as likely to play p i ss poor against Yeovil next week. 12 points are now needed to get out of the bottom four, not 11! It's worsening not improving. Marcus you're being ripped off. Just look at our neighbours Bournemouth, not a cent spent yet top of League Two. And Brighton are pulling away to. Jan Poortviet had won two games and drawn 3 this time last year, and all with a bunch of academy lads, in the Championship. Come 10 games I'd like to see if Pas Dieu can even equal Poortviet's number of points. We have the players, but our manager hasn't a clue how to use them. He keeps them on the bench, uses them when they're off form. What a waste he's made of Lambert. And it'll be the same with the rest of them. A whole f u ck ing new team of players and he doesn't know who to pick. And our supporters have become so used to using the phase, but such and such a team lost today so we're alright. We draw again today. It's what we do that counts. A bird(points) in the hand are worth two in the bush. Well those points are flying out the window faster than I'd be prepared to let them. Wake up Nicolas, get that Director of Sport in double quick and put some pressure on that Mark 2 version of Burley we have inherited. If players play better with competition, then managers should perform better with the same pressure. I just hope that seeing Pas Dieu's on a 5 year contract (what a farce!!) that he's got a 3 month trial period too. You are a ****, this i believe to be fact.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 September, 2009 Posted 13 September, 2009 probably because they expect their team to win every game and were frustrated they did not...especially against the bottom club ..like I said, good mentality.. we should have that mentality IMO Yes I agree that we should have a good mentality, but surely a good mentality would involve getting behind the team, not booing. It just seems a bit fickle to me.
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