Saintandy666 Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 So, Derren Brown is predicting the numbers in the lottery before they come out tommorow live on tv, if he pulls this one off it will be truely incredible, though embarrassing if it doesn't work out.The stuff this guy does is amazing.
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 So, Derren Brown is predicting the numbers in the lottery before they come out tommorow live on tv, if he pulls this one off it will be truely incredible, though embarrassing if it doesn't work out.The stuff this guy does is amazing. Really ?? I'll get my pen ready just in case.
Kadeem Hardison Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Derren Brown used to be able to predict the exact time of the first throw-in at football matches in the mid-nineties.
Jillyanne Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Really ?? I'll get my pen ready just in case. I don't think he will be giving his prediction out - more like putting it in a sealed box.
rocknrollman no2 Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Met him in Blackpool once ,seemed a nice bloke. A very good showman.
hamster Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Derren Brown used to be able to predict the exact time of the first throw-in at football matches in the mid-nineties. The first one at SMS was about 30 seconds last weekend, and could I find a bookie to take my 50p, no I could not.
sotonswan Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 My guess is that the lottery result isn't actually LIVE, but slightly delayed by 30 seconds or so. There's a lot you can do with a morse code buzzer in the sole of your shoe if you have a partner watching the really LIVE feed. If you have a piece of paper locked away with the so called results, a last minute switch is childs-play for a competent magician. I'll be interested to watch, but perhaps not Live.
Baj Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Good theory. As are with all of his tricks, they are just elaborate hoaxs or mind tricks, he will freely admit (probably) to not guessing the results through at paranormal method, but whether he admits exactly what method he used will be interesting... one things for sure, ever member of the audience for the draw will be pretty heavily frisked!
Ponty Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 It's not really a good theory if he's due to actually appear on the programme though, is it? P.S. I don't know if he's actually scheduled to appear on the programme.
Saintandy666 Posted 8 September, 2009 Author Posted 8 September, 2009 Well, there is a second programme on friday which explains how he did it.
sotonswan Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 I've no idea where he is in relation to the program either, so I'm just guessing. One cruel trick I thought of once was to record the lottery programme, buy a ticket next week with the same numbers and then replay the programme at the exact time the follwing week at someone's house who doesn't normally watch it. Leave lottery ticket on table in plain view, and walk out of room and go do something else. Then see how the evening unfolds . . . . . Never actually done this. Bit too wicked really.
Gigersaint Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Not sure how he is going to pull this off by attempting to acurately predict the draw, most other shows I've seen of his have involved the glaringly obvious put off by distraction or the power of suggestion. Depending if he gets it right or wrong will make the after show of how he did or didn't get it right more Intriguing.
spain saint Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 he is going to make his prediction before the draw but after the chance to buy tickets has passed apparently!
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 its just a magic trick. he is just a magician, claiming to be a mind reader, like lots of magicians throughout the centuries. they have been doing this trick for centuries too. i remember a very famous trick with a magician who used to predict newspaper headlines three weeks in advance, then put his prediction in a locked box. it was simple but effective.
Saint_clark Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 he is going to make his prediction before the draw but after the chance to buy tickets has passed apparently! I thought 7 o clock was ALWAYS the latest you could buy a lottery ticket.
Hatch Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 he is a magician, he doesn't predict anything. But what he can do, is somehow put the actual lottery numbers into an 'apparently' sealed envelope using sleight of hand while making it appear the numbers have been in there all along. and that's magic.
Thedelldays Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 I know a joke about a Magician.... Paul Daniels was doing a libe show years ago, when at the end of the show he turned to the audience and said "im tired of me doing magic for you, does anyone have a magic trick they want to show me"......after a brief pause a show of hands was soon evident from the audience...Paul picked one lucky 20 something guy... Down this guy come and after the formalities of introdcing him to the crowd, Paul offered the lucky guy any assistance he or his staff could give...the guy said "well, actually Paul, I would like the help of your lovely wife. Ms Debbie McGhee..I need ger to on her back on this table"...and sure enough, Debbie McGhee did just that... To the horror of the audience and more so Paul Daniels, the guy from the audience quickly tied Debbie at the wrist and ankles, stripped her naked and began to have sex with her....... A distraght Paul Daniels shouted "what the **** are you doing? this is not an illusion!!!!"..... the Guy replied..."I know Paul but its farking Magic".... I'll get my coat
Saintandy666 Posted 9 September, 2009 Author Posted 9 September, 2009 he is a magician, he doesn't predict anything. But what he can do, is somehow put the actual lottery numbers into an 'apparently' sealed envelope using sleight of hand while making it appear the numbers have been in there all along. and that's magic. But theres 14 million possible combinations or something along that line, so it would be hard to do that in time.
Monkeyspunk Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 This is how I would do it: Some slight of hand involved. 49 cards. - Just before the first ball is dropped, he will put a card down FACE DOWN. - The national lottery ball in the draw will come down(example): 3 - He will then put down what the "second number" will be, FACE DOWN - The national lottery ball will come up (example): 6 This will be repeated with him putting down the third, fourth, fifth and sixth card just before each ball comes up. Whether the bonus is involved or not, we will leave out for now. So you have the draw (example) 3-6-9-12-15-18 You have six cards in front, ALL FACE DOWN. He will group them together and pass them to a volunteer. They will come up 3-6-9-12-15-18 HOW IT IS DONE: Before the first number is drawn, he puts down a "dummy card". BLANK, for example. They announce "3" He then stares at his cards as if trying to predict the 2nd number and puts down a card. Infact, he has put down the first number drawn - 3. He repeats this so his cards are BLANK - 3-6-9-12-15. The trick is that as he gathers up the cards and passes them to a volunteer, he exchanges the BLANK with the last number drawn, 18. The volunteer now has 3-6-9-12-15-18 in their hand which they turn over and reveal in order. simples
Jillyanne Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 The lottery draw is on BBC1, Derren Brown is on channel 4 both at the same time - therefore I guess he is not actually on the Lottery show itself???
hamster Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 at the risk of being thrown out of the magic circle, here's one to look out for. If you break the tip off of a pencil and stick it under your thumbnail, you can clandestinely write someone's response to a question on a piece of paper. As Selwyn would have said, "Magic" Does that make sense?
hamster Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 This is how I would do it: Some slight of hand involved. 49 cards. - Just before the first ball is dropped, he will put a card down FACE DOWN. - The national lottery ball in the draw will come down(example): 3 - He will then put down what the "second number" will be, FACE DOWN - The national lottery ball will come up (example): 6 This will be repeated with him putting down the third, fourth, fifth and sixth card just before each ball comes up. Whether the bonus is involved or not, we will leave out for now. So you have the draw (example) 3-6-9-12-15-18 You have six cards in front, ALL FACE DOWN. He will group them together and pass them to a volunteer. They will come up 3-6-9-12-15-18 HOW IT IS DONE: Before the first number is drawn, he puts down a "dummy card". BLANK, for example. They announce "3" He then stares at his cards as if trying to predict the 2nd number and puts down a card. Infact, he has put down the first number drawn - 3. He repeats this so his cards are BLANK - 3-6-9-12-15. The trick is that as he gathers up the cards and passes them to a volunteer, he exchanges the BLANK with the last number drawn, 18. The volunteer now has 3-6-9-12-15-18 in their hand which they turn over and reveal in order. simples This is a variation on a common 'mind reading' feat, whereby the voluteer answers a series of questions ie. Favourte colour, first car etc. Writing the first answer on the secong piece of paper etc etc, easy to do, but a bit more hard to get your head around (for non magic people). I love knowing how magic is done. BTW I bet tonights trick is much more elaborate than your revealation, I will watch with interest whilst running a bath.
Saintandy666 Posted 9 September, 2009 Author Posted 9 September, 2009 The lottery draw is on BBC1, Derren Brown is on channel 4 both at the same time - therefore I guess he is not actually on the Lottery show itself??? Channel 4 is giving up its whole network to it.
hamster Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Watching him now. Going to pick 5 of the 6!! Sounds like he's gonna do the old 'write down the last number on the next card trick' very weak if that's the case and very dissappointing too. Hope I'm wrongo.
hamster Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Looking like I was well wrong. Apologies to Mr Brown. Theories please?
Ponty Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Debunkers? Come on, I can't wait until Friday.
Saint_clark Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 It will be some mathematical equation thingy. And Baj, he had 5 balls (like the actual lottery ones) lined up on a stand before the draw was made.
Ponty Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 He had a rack of balls with all 6 lottery numbers on them, before the draw was made. Obviously a trick, cos that's what he does, but ferkin clever.
Ponty Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 It will be some mathematical equation thingy. And Baj, he had 5 balls lined up on a stand before the draw was made. It was actually all 6.
scaramanga Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 as the title says...... he predicted the lottery numbers, all 6 of them!!!!!
benjii Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 You need to open your minds. Brown wasn't even on the telly; it was an elaborate hoax. He's actually on the moon right now.
Saint_clark Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 im going with the time delay theory... Nope, I was switching between BBC and E4 and it was completely in sync.
saint_stevo Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 led's in each ball, light up the relevant ones as each ball came out? Although think the numbers may have been written on,..? Im baffled. Wud have been more believable if he had shown us his numbers first. It was mental though
scaramanga Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 not that, as it was live draw at the same time on the bbc. they are not gonna delay there draw just for a channel 4 programme
Saint_clark Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 led's in each ball, light up the relevant ones as each ball came out? Although think the numbers may have been written on,..? Im baffled. Wud have been more believable if he had shown us his numbers first. It was mental though It will not be something that simple, as they have dedicated a whole show to the explanation on friday. I bet £20 that it is a mathematical equation.
benjii Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 led's in each ball, light up the relevant ones as each ball came out? Although think the numbers may have been written on,..? Im baffled. Wud have been more believable if he had shown us his numbers first. It was mental though Yeah, but that would have involved actually predicting the lottery which is approximately a one-in-fourteen-million-chance.
saint_stevo Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Nope, I was switching between BBC and E4 and it was completely in sync. yep no time delay. had the balls sat there the whole time. will show us how on friday....
benjii Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 It will not be something that simple, as they have dedicated a whole show to the explanation on friday. I bet £20 that it is a mathematical equation. What?
timebomb Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 If he gets those numbers right they will sack someone at the National Lottery!
Saint_clark Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 What? The process behind it all. He said he spent a YEAR of his life doing it, not hard to believe that he figured out an actual way of predicting it.
benjii Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 The process behind it all. He said he spent a YEAR of his life doing it, not hard to believe that he figured out an actual way of predicting it. Don't be a plonker.
Baj Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 It will not be something that simple, as they have dedicated a whole show to the explanation on friday. I bet £20 that it is a mathematical equation. Ill take that bet....
sotonswan Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Were the numbers on the balls before the draw was made? I doubt it. So how to get the numbers on the balls? Photoactive paint and an extremely quick lazer burst? I notice he wrote the numbers down on a pad (pressure sensitive with character recognition?) before he showed us the balls. It'll be a clever use of technology for sure. Modern day smoke and mirrors. I much prefer his cold reading and influencing of people tricks really. They are just un-nerving.
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